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7:00 PM
What? No, I don't.
 
ELU tells me that I am now a guru of the F-word
which is a great relief
 
I feel relieved as well.
Oh. No, that is for a different reason.
 
You know, without the "-w" the F-word is just an ordinary Ford.
 
 
Cold.
 
7:24 PM
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Q: Is it grammatical to have "why" and "to" together?

PacerierIs the following sentence grammatical? Why to use page-level permissions From Google Support: Why to use page-level permissions Page-level permissions allow you to.. It sounds weird to me, however the words were from a Google support page so I'm suspecting that it may actually...

So. Um. Everyone says this is okay?
I would deem "Why to use" awfully ungrammatical, title or not.
 
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 No. I just had to look away.
 
Everyone says "why to" is ok? or everyone says the question is ok
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 The former.
The question is fine. But the answer, as far as I am concerned, is "it's a typo or a rookie pineapple mistake"
 
Yeah, I don't think "why to" is ok, actually I'm not sure if there are any cases when it's ok
 
in the context given, it's fine
WH-word + infinitive is a common construction in titles
 
7:28 PM
First time I see that. Honestly.
 
How To Build a Boat, When To Punch Somebody, Why To Quit Your Job
Who To Schmooze With At Parties
 
All of those sound fine to me except "why to quit your job"
 
i have no problem with it
perhaps this grammatical construction isn't fully generalized for you
 
But I do see several examples of it in the COCA.
 
7:29 PM
In fact the point is, the grammar in titles is weird because you want to save space. Which is what most of the answers say. They provide five-word clauses that are supposedly omitted from the title. Well, why not omit the to as well?
 
@Robusto They're all bastards. Some more than others.
 
And look! I just said "why not omit", without even realizing it. But in a title I am supposed to write "why not to omit"? Stuff and nonsense.
 
you're not supposed to write "to". it's acceptable either way
 
Well you catch my drift.
 
interestingly, i would take "Why Quit Your Job" and "Why To Quit Your Job" somewhat differently
 
7:31 PM
It's three characters longer.
Why would I add three characters to save space.
@JSBᾶngs I see what you're getting at.
The former is, don't, the latter is, here's why you should.
 
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 exactly
 
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 people are dumb
 
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 I don't think "why not to omit something?" is grammatical
 
@JSBᾶngs well that is an interesting interjection.
 
Can someone help me with some code shorthand that I don't understand?
(start - dtMin).Days > 0 ? (start - dtMin).Days * 100 / dateSpan : 0;
 
7:34 PM
for all those answerers, they're not answering the direct question of 'is it grammatical', because I think they agree that it sounds off, but all sorts of weird things happen in titles so it's hard to be too critical.
 
If you ask me, "why to" is generally not grammatical. But it has enough hits in COCA that I can't say they're all mistakes.
 
This is conditional, I'm guessing, but I don't get it.
 
@KitFox It's max(some stuff, 0) (don't go less than 0).
 
@KitFox ?: is an if-else operator
 
@Mitch but that's the thing. Do they actually analyze it, or do they dodge the question? Much of what they say is justification in hindsight. I can justify many a typo that way.
 
7:35 PM
dodging.
 
((boolean expression is true) ? return this value : else return this value)
 
So the colon divides the true from the false? If this ? true:false.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Oh. Thanks.
 
yes.@KitFox
 
so (true? 1 : 2) gives 1 and (false? 1 : 2) gives 2
 
I'm frantically trying to translate this code block before 4pm.
 
7:37 PM
and in most languages "1" and "2" both have to be the same type. So you can't do a > 1? "hello" : 23
 
i want a sandwich. brb
 
I want a good answer on that question for me to upvote.
And a sandwich, of course.
 
operation sandwich was aborted. instead, i have free leftover pizza from the group down the hall
 
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 write one yourself....-oh- one that you can upvote.
 
@stuff=("answer", "sandwich"); while (@stuff) { sudo make me $_; }
 
7:41 PM
Anyone happen to know how to escape double quotes in VB.net?
 
I can't see anything on this monitor. Can't even tell a colon from a semicolon.
 
user19161
I just had a Subway sandwich. Yum yum.
 
the COCA data makes it seem like 'Why to quit... 'it is becoming possible, and I guess by analogy with all the other question words, which sounds somewhat reasonable however weird it sounds.
 
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 that's just going to loop forever making you sandwiches and answers. which is pretty sweet, actually
 
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 did I ever tell you the story about a guy who called me for customer support, who was unable to spell "a:"?
(obv. back in the days of floppy disks)
 
7:43 PM
(actually, it's not even going to do that. you want for or foreach in place of while)
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I don't think you have, to me or anyone else here.
@JSBᾶngs no idea. I'll try it out at work tomorrow.
Don't have an interpreter here.
 
user19161
I can't find "compenetrate" on merriam-webster.com (free version) or oxforddictionaries.com.
 
Yeah so basically this guy was calling me for help setting up his internet connection. This being the days of Windows 3.1 and 95, his "internet software" came on floppies and had to be installed along with some optional windows stuff like tcp/ip drivers. So he called asking what he should do when the system asks for a disk.
 
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Q: Difference between "penetrate" and "compenetrate"

idoberAccording to Merriam-Webster: penetrate — to pass into or through compenetrate — to penetrate throughout What is the difference between the two? Are they synonymous?

 
@JSBᾶngs But it was supposed to be pseudo code anyway, in case you can't tell by the lack of backticks around the shell command.
 
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7:45 PM
So +1 for you on "compenetrate". That is the whiskey for you today @jsb.
 
@ClarkKent 'compenetrate' is not a word
 
I told him "put the disk in drive A", but he didn't know which disk to put in. "It's asking for disk #2, but I have two disks with #2 on them". I tried to explain that it would ask for "Windows 95 Disk #2" and not just "disk 2", but he didn't get it and wasn't at the computer, naturally, so he couldn't explain the message to me.
 
Jez
windows 95 disk 2?
have i entered a timewarp and gone back 15 years?
 
Anyway I told him "If it asks you where the disk is, type "A:" and press <ENTER>". "How do you spell that?" "It's the letter A and the colon symbol". Long pause......... then I said "It's next to the L". "Which side?" headdesk
@Jez If you had you'd be running Netscape 1.0, or 1.1 if you were lucky
And this chat would work by doing meta-refreshes
that being the only tool in the toolbox
 
Jez
Yep, thank god for Microsoft for introducing XHR
 
user19161
7:50 PM
So I learnt that when you put facepalm and headdesk together, you get facepalmheaddesk. QED.
 
@JSB Can I use Linq on a datatable?
 
I had lots of headdesk moments when I did customer support.
 
@JSBᾶngs actually I now realize that I wanted a for in there. Not sure how while got there in the first place, as I don't think I have ever used that in any programming language at any point in my life. Well, Turbo Pascal 5.5., perhaps; I don't remember.
 
Unfortunately I didn't have a blog back then so I never kept track of all those stories and have forgotten them.
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 you've never used while? it's pretty useful!
 
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 i use while quite a but; but not for iterating arrays
 
7:53 PM
@MrShinyandNew安宇 well it's also pretty useful to be able to write bla if X, and yet I never use that one either and always go with if X bla.
@ClarkKent wrong.
yesterday, by RegDwight ΒВBẞ8
headpalmfacedesk
 
Jez
A frown (also known as a scowl) is a facial expression in which the eyebrows are brought together, and the forehead is wrinkled, usually indicating displeasure, sadness or worry, or less often confusion or concentration. The appearance of a frown varies from culture to culture. Although most technical definitions define it as a wrinkling of the brow, in North America it is primarily thought of as an expression of the mouth. In those cases when used iconically, as with an emoticon, it is entirely presented as a curve of the lips facing away from the eyes ('down'). The mouth expression i...
 
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 i do that all the time in perl
 
Jez
It takes more muscles to smile than to frown. So, keep frowning.
 
die unless everything_is_ok();
 
Damn it!
 
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7:54 PM
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 HB! I misread!
 
@JSBᾶngs it only confuses the matters further for me, in a language that's confusing enough without that.
 
user19161
@Jez Wrong. Smile to exercise or do nothing to slack.
 
@JSBᾶngs dieis a special case for me, I am willing to make an exception for that one.
 
user19161
@Jez What? Wikipedia has an entry on "frown"?
 
oh, you guys are talking perl? blech
 
Jez
7:57 PM
s/blech/cool/ig
 
@ClarkKent it even has articles on individual horses.
So if you want to have a Wikipedia article all for yourself, become a horse, or a video-game character. For best results, become both.
Insieme a Chimchar, è l'unico Pokémon Base di tipo Fuoco presente nel Pokédex di Sinnoh in Pokémon Diamante e Perla. In questi titoli è inoltre uno dei quattordici Pokémon che possiedono una descrizione in 6 lingue nel Pokédex. Nel manga Pokémon Adventures Lady Platina Berlitz ha posseduto un esemplare di Ponyta. Significato del nome Il suo nome probabilmente deriva dall'unione della parola inglese pony con il suffisso spagnolo -ita (piccolo). Potrebbe anche derivare dalla parola inglese ponytail (coda di cavallo) o dalla parola spagnola bonita (bello). Origine Ponyta è basato su ...
 
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@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 It is interesting that if we append "it" to "ponyta" we get "ponytail".
 
Interesting, you say...
 
Awwh I miss Ponyta!
 
BTW, this is a dupe:
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Q: Is 'Haphazard' a unique word?

michael crowleyIs "Haphazard" the only word where ph is not pronounced like "f"?

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Q: Why is the "ph" pronounced like a "v" in "Stephen"? Is this the only word like that?

Stephen FurlaniWhile I know how my name is pronounced, I've run into many non-native english speakers who have stumbled over this unique exception to English. Even in the female name, "Stephanie", the ph is pronounced as f. What is the etymology of "Stephen" and is there any other instance of ph being pronoun...

 
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8:05 PM
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Yes. I am easily amused.
 
I'm miles late, but Why To Eat Spaghetti and the like are unremarkable for me
 
user19161
@aediaλ I would just write the title as "Why eat spaghetti".
 
Personally I think JSB had the only valid point in favor of to.
 
@Reg that "dupe" is asking if "ph as v" is unique to Stephen
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 it also answers the question at hand.
 
8:11 PM
"Stephan" is not really a "word" like all the other words
 
First of all, of course it is.
Second of all, the answers to that question go much farther.
 
Lots of person names fail to respect English spelling rules in some way
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 The answers to the Stephen question say nothing about why the ph in Haphazard isn't pronounced as /f/
Furthermore the haphazard question didn't even ask that
 
Exactly.
The haphazard question doesn't ask why.
 
but the answer would be different anyway
There are two or more cases why ph isn't pronounced f and the Stephen question only deals with one, and a different one applies to haphazard.
 
Of course.
 
8:15 PM
so, different question, different answers, how is it a dupe?
 
The question is, and I quote,
11 mins ago, by RegDwight ΒВBẞ8
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Q: Is 'Haphazard' a unique word?

michael crowleyIs "Haphazard" the only word where ph is not pronounced like "f"?

That is all. That is the entire question.
It is answered by the title of the older question. Don't even have to look at the answers.
 
I'm familiar with it, as you may note from the fact that I answered it.
 
The point is, had he searched the site for "ph", this question wouldn't even exist.
 
Ok, our disagreement stems on the interpretation of what is meant by "word" in that question. I think it's perfectly fair to exclude any "word" that only serves as a proper name.
 
And I think it's only fair to exclude all words where the p and the h belong to two different morphemes. Now what?
 
8:18 PM
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 That doesn't make sense
 
Of course it does.
There is no "ph" in "uphill". There's a p, and an h.
This question is highly relevant here:
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Q: "Ph" for the /f/ sound; Is Old England responsible for this swap?

user6697Is old England responsible for creating the /f/ sound from ph, as in Philip, Pharoah, Physics, Sophia, etc? Many European countries keep the f for all of their /f/-sounding letters, as in Sofia and Stefan, for example.

 
The whole point of that question is that the p and h are from different morphemes. That's why they're not pronounced f.
Whereas all the ones where they ARE from the same morpheme ARE pronounced /f/. except for a few /v/ ones.
 
Hm.
Well I guess that's a point.
 
Maybe I should put that in my answer and make the internet a better place?
 
user19161
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yes, do a noble deed.
 
8:24 PM
What do you guys think of this: Words that came from Greek and have a 'ph' in a single morpheme tend to use the /f/ pronunciation (except some cases like "Stephen" where it's /v/ - voiced instead of unvoiced). However, words that were formed by combining separate morphemes (such as uphill, loophole, haphazard, etc) have a 'ph' that belongs to two morphemes and does not represent an /f/ sound.
(I'm not sure if /v/ and /f/ are the right IPA for that)
ok, the answer's updated
 
Very nice.
 
thanks! I'm glad we had this little chat
 
Teehee.
Well we can have another. Lemme see what other dupes you have answered lately.
 
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 good luck, I rarely answer questions anymore. Today is a fluke
 
Oh my. 189 answers. I'm too lazy to check that many.
Oh haha.
-3
Q: Why is the word "before" vanishing from common use?

fortunate1Just in the last four years, I've noticed that the word prior is increasingly used in place of before. Prior has become customary enough that people commonly leave off 'to' in employing it: "Most of the guests appeared at 8:00, but I arrived prior." I don't know why this disturbs me so, but i...

 
8:39 PM
I have 189 answers? that means 10 were deleted! gosh, think of the reps lost
 
These days this would get kiled with fire. But now that it's survived for so long, I suppose we might as well wait and see how long it takes you to get a Reversal badge for that.
 
heheh
if I get to +20 on that one and it's down at -4, can I cast the downvote to give myself the reversal? :)
 
My money is on extremely very much long or perhaps even way more longer than that.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 of course.
I can't help as my downvote is OVER 9000 old and I can't vote twice.
It could be a recency [sic] illusion, too, John; thanks for that link. Does the use of "no problem" in response to "thanks" qualify as an illusion, as well, or is that just an antipodean thing? — fortunate1 Dec 17 '11 at 14:55
So what's the deal with the sic in there?
Sounds like the Kosmo approach.
May 11 '11 at 13:35, by Kosmonaut
I recommend just throwing [sic] in randomly when quoting one's enemies. Nobody will want to admit they don't know why it is there, and the damage is done.
 
Yeah who knows with that OP.
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A: If ______ gets outlawed, only outlaws will ______

fortunate1Each of those phrases is rooted in one of the received myths of the national psyche -in this instance, that Americans are naturally (and justifiably) resistant to the dictates of a central authority. Each phrase opens with the sort of ukase that a clueless bureaucrat might issue from over the hor...

That's something else they wrote
 
> Each phrase opens with the sort of ukase...
What is that? A bastard child of an ukaz and a bukake?
@MrShinyandNew安宇 275 reps, to be precise.
Which means that you would be at exactly 10.000 this very moment.
Coincidence? I think not!
 
8:59 PM
Do inactive accounts get deleted?
My chat account is somehow 3200 reps short.
 
Only devs can delete accounts.
 
whoa, 5pm already! yikes! poof! disappears
 
Inactive or not, that usually only happens if you ask for it yourself, or a site gets deleted wholesale.
3200 is a lot of lumber.
 
Okay, so it says I have 81 accounts, that would be 8181 if every single one of them had 101 reps, but my chat account has 6249 reps, apparently
Line
Another line
Yeah, 6249 there. WTF?
 
I am seeing 9017 right now.
 
9:02 PM
I'm pretty sure it was 9.6K or 9.4K earlier
 
:-/
What you are seeing is not what it should be either
 
Well only the really cool people get to show off all their reps, and only to really cool people. If you are uncool, you're doubly screwed.
 
See, Matt is not quite cool either.
 
9:04 PM
indeed
I'm hawt
 
The actual figure should be 9217.
 
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Ahahah, now it's 6249 for me as well.
Which means now you've been degraded officially.
 
criticism isn't cool
 
This is fascinating. The Maya is eating ur reps, 2012 at a time.
 
9:15 PM
It would seem he is.
 
and after he hit the answer lottery
that's a damn shame.
ah, june 7
 
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A: Is 'Haphazard' a unique word?

user20990Now these are some haphazard answers and comments scattered over here. There are many words that you may consider in your case. Loophole, peephole, uphill, uphold... Many are mentioned already by other users. Unique? I don't think so... The "f" sound exists in other words with "ph", compound ...

I. Um. What?
The last paragraph in particular gives me a headache.
 
you know, still words.
still words run deep.
 
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Can't all these words just get along?
 
No seriously. I am trying to understand.
His answer makes no sense to me.
 
9:23 PM
Was ist los? Du siehst so nachdenklich an. Hast du wieder Schwierigkeiten?
 
He lists words where "ph" is pronounced as p-h, as requested by the OP, all of them compounds, as the one provided by the OP, only to go on and say "The "f" sound exists in other words with "ph", compound or simple is a secondary issue, they are all still words."
 
Yes. I think we all saw that.
But, really, why try to understand it? It will only break your brain.
 
Well I don't understand it.
 
Sometimes you just have to let it go.
 
And now it's getting upvoted.
 
9:27 PM
I think you're both suffering from the illusion that other people on the internet have brains.
 
It's borderline English. That should be our tip-off that you don't have to try to make sense out of it.
> Now these are some haphazard answers and comments scattered over here.
 
Oh I see it's on the multicollider. Everybody duck.
 
Aww FFS ..
It's an awful question anyway. Can't we just close it?
 
It got reopened?
 
9:28 PM
@MrShiny talked me out of it.
See the transcript.
1 hour ago, by RegDwight ΒВBẞ8
BTW, this is a dupe:
 
Mar 7 '11 at 18:22, by Robusto
Who reads your shit?
 
I'm just saying. Into the vast openness of teh you knee verse.
 
Well, FYI, haphazard is a unique word. It's the only word that is spelled that way.
Also jalapeño.
 
Not if you take raspberry and spell it haphazard.
 
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 But then you'd be violating the rules of space and time, and you would not be permitted to dump your trash into the universe anymore.
 
9:32 PM
Raspberries do not violate the rules of anything, by design.
 
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 raspberry 4 informal a sound made with the tongue and lips in order to express derision or contempt: Clare blew a raspberry and stood up.
Clearly, raspberries violate the rules of etiquette.
 
Oh give me a break. The word etiquette violates the rules of EVERYTHING.
 
But Clare clearly has interesting sexual partners. I didn't know you could blow a raspberry in that sense ...
 
"Stand up" is totally misused in that sentence as well.
Really I can't parse your Mac OS X dictatorshinary.
Two upvotes for unparseable answer.
He will get a Great Answer out of this.
 
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Hey, don't knock dictatorships. They are ships that don't have to go out on the water.
 
9:56 PM
@RegDwightB8, what would you give me to cast my first down-vote against that answer?
 
What do you think this is, capitalism? Pffft.
This site is a communist dictatorship.
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Q: How to properly build the "article is <some words> creatable?" question?

user502052I have a minimum limit number, 1, a maximum limit number, 10, an "entity", article, and a question which answer should state if the number of current articles exceeded the minimum limit or the maximum limit of allowed articles, .... Technically speaking, I am trying to write questions like artic...

Today is the International Unparseability Day.
 
@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Really? IUD? Protip: You're better off with condoms. Less dangerous for the woman.
 
0
Q: How to properly build the "article is <some words> creatable?" question?

user502052I have a minimum limit number, 1, a maximum limit number, 10, an "entity", article, and a question which answer should state (one between true of false) if the number of current articles exceeded the minimum limit or the maximum limit of allowed articles, .... Technically speaking, I am trying t...

Someone just handed us a mess. And if it's not a mess, it'll do till a mess gets here.
 
10:07 PM
close it as 'wtf'
 
Would that I could.
Now he's edited it, and that still doesn't help.
And another edit. And it's still breaking my brain.
 
> So, what <some words> can I use?
I dunno. Here's a dictionary. Go nuts.
 
:D
don't mind if I do!
oh, that was 'go crazy'.
original? ultimate?
 
user image
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We have a new category.
Dinner. AFK.
 
10:18 PM
I object to the "have a nice day" part.
I demand it be replaced with "Fool of a Took! Throw yourself in next time, and rid us of your stupidity!"
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Q: Which is the longest word in english language?

user20990I have been trying to find a useful english word that is longest. This link: http://oxforddictionaries.com/words/what-is-the-longest-english-word provides a few words with meaning and much explanation. It clearly states that these words are seldom used. Somewhere else, I found the name of a cou...

More what-is-this-grammar from the haphazard guy.
 
11:03 PM
I think I've had just enough brainaches for today, so bonne nuit à tous.
 
Good night Mr. Dwight;
Have a lovely sleep.
Don't dream of a fright,
But sleep long and deep.
 
user19161
11:55 PM
Why is Carlo suspended again?
 
user19161
@Mahnax That sounds like he won't wake up.
 

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