English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

@MattЭллен No. I defy anyone to tell me how the current sense of the word silly — or indeed any of the historical meanings — reflect the etymology.

Matt Эллен

3:20 PM

silly people are happy

Robusto

NO U R

KitFox

@Vitaly Did you want anything else from this book? Otherwise, I will return it while I am getting lunch.

Matt Эллен

YES I R

Robusto

Certain people in chat insist that the entire etymology of a word informs its meaning in a way that is apparent to those who encounter that word at any point in the word's history. Others disagree with that assertion.

cornbread ninja

collapses

Matt Эллен

3:23 PM

thank @cornbreadninja, that was good

cornbread ninja

Zzzzz

Robusto

Now you're milking it.

cornbread ninja

._.

Vitaly

@KitFox No. Thanks.

Can you guys see the scribal s here: doloroꝰ?

JSBᾶngs

no

Mahnax

3:29 PM

I can.

Matt Эллен

no

JSBᾶngs

cries because he can't see the scribal s

Matt Эллен

maybe at home, I have more fonts at home

Mahnax

cornbread ninja

no, and come to think of it, @RegDwightB8, your name has appeared broken to me for a week or so

Matt Эллен

3:32 PM

pahf

Mahnax

I got my grade back for my last French unit test.

Vitaly

@JSBᾶngs fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/a770/index.htm

JSBᾶngs

so any idea why a superscript 9 is being called "scribal s"?

the regular version Unicode Character 'LATIN SMALL LETTER CON' (U+A76F) doesn't make any more sense to me

Vitaly

Heh, well, it's technically us, but I figured pretty much everyone here would know what is being talked about, especially after the discussion we have just had

= shewe dolorous countenaunce

Robusto

@Mahnax Your teacher is a programmer who runs unit tests on the class? Cool.

Mahnax

3:39 PM

@Robusto Oh, uh… No.

Vitaly

@JSBᾶngs I guess the non-superscript version was used to abbreviate con in writing? Or something.

JSBᾶngs

i learn something every day

i'll be much better at deciphering medieval manuscripts now

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Ugh.

You appear to have spilled some square stuffs all over the ground. Shall I help you pick them up?

cornbread ninja

how would you sort them?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

For starters, r, re, ra, sputin.

Robusto

3:44 PM

19 mins ago, by Robusto

Now you're milking it.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

I don't know nothing about your obsession with milking these days.

Robusto

Breasts. There, I said it.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

You want a medal for that?

Robusto

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 No. A badge. SE sites don't give medals.

cornbread ninja

Most Occupied With Lactation

Robusto

3:47 PM

@Vitaly I wonder why a variant of the alchemical symbol for tin (and Jupiter) corresponds with "rum" ....

KitFox

Mmm. Rum.

Mahnax

@KitFox It's not even noon.

Robusto

Maybe they're saying Jupiter was some kind of tin-pot dictator of the gods.

cornbread ninja

it's past noon in nova scotia

Robusto

KitFox

3:49 PM

Oh. Damn. I used to know that.

@Mahnax But I am eating lunch and thinking of sexy pirates.

Oh the countless nights I spent with Captain Morgan.

Mahnax

@KitFox Well, wait until after w-rk, OK?

KitFox

For what? Thinking about rum?

JSBᾶngs

@Mahnax drinking rum at work has been a thing in this chat before

Jul 6 '11 at 17:04, by JSBangs

new topic: how about coconut-flavored rum?

Mahnax

@KitFox Drinking said rum.

JSBᾶngs

Jul 6 '11 at 17:04, by JSBangs

it's nasty, but it's also the only liquor within reach at this time of the day

KitFox

3:52 PM

@Mahnax Is there rum to drink?

Mahnax

Jul 6 '11 at 17:04, by JSBangs

it's nasty, but it's also the only liquor within reach at this time of the day

Robusto

@JSBᾶngs Prudent people plan ahead. That is why we always have large supplies of bourbon, scotch, gin, and vodka on hand as well. Usually within reach.

Mahnax

Anyways, I'm off.

Bye!

JSBᾶngs

man, i really gotta buy myself some whiskey

maybe that'll be my birthday present to myself

user19161

Geezis, there is now a question on "Jesus Christ" just posted.

user19161

3:59 PM

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Q: Should I not say "Jesus Christ!" in front of my kids?

My wife scolded me last night for saying "Jesus Christ!" in front of our kids. Is this expression considered "swearing"? Or it is "swearing" only if you are a Christian?

user19161

@JSBᾶngs Happy birthday! Cheer up!

JSBᾶngs

@ClarkKent i still have 11 days until my birthday

KitFox

I love me some whiskey.

What function does "me" play in that sentence?

Intensifier?

user19161

@KitFox I don't even know what this sentence really means.

user19161

Is it standard English?

user19161

4:03 PM

I would think it means something like "I love some whiskey for myself".

cornbread ninja

I love (to have in front of) me some whiskey?

JSBᾶngs

@KitFox syntactically it's a dative or indirect object. specifically, it's what's known as the "dative of interest"

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

RIP

JSBᾶngs

@KitFox en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ethical_dative#English

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 i saw that earlier today

let the wild rumpus... end

KitFox

sad panda

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

4:07 PM

I also heard about Adam Yauch today.

It's a sad day indeed.

KitFox

Oh, did he die too?

@JSBᾶngs Thanks.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

May 4th.

user19161

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Not sad. He has had his fill. It's time to go.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

ಠ_ಠ You are superman, not God. You don't get to decide whose time's when.

cornbread ninja

-2

A: Why do we use a French term for a currency-exchange office?

Possibly because they were or are mostly owned or run or manned by the French-speaking? (There are countries other than France that speak French.) Why would I have a French sign for my business if neither I am French-speaking nor my customers are?

Robusto

4:11 PM

►

cornbread ninja

does Kris have some way of knowing that Mitch down-voted it?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

> At the end we are left with Max the trumpet player, treasuring the sound of an old recording and assuring the antiques dealer that this was some kinduva guy. Yes, but what kinduva guy? And why?

Roger Ebert @Rob

user19161

@cornbreadninja No, he can only guess, but note that he did not claim that Mitch downvoted it.

cornbread ninja

all but

the accusation is there

he just addressed that anyway

user19161

@cornbreadninja And Mitch also did not claim directly that he did not downvote it.

cornbread ninja

4:14 PM

picture me with pursed lips.

user19161

I know what you mean, I am just interpreting the words as literally as possible. :-)

cornbread ninja

fair enough

Robusto

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 The ending of A Touch of Evil and the ending of The Third Man are certainly in my list of Top 5 All-Time Movie Endings.

KitFox

Yes!

Robusto

►

For balance

user19161

4:18 PM

Balance? Usually I add something for completeness, haha.

Vitaly

@KitFox I say, knock me here soundly.

KitFox

@Vitaly blush Well, but I. Oh.

Robusto

@Vitaly It's a variation of the reflexive pronoun used for emphasis. "I need to get me some of that."

Vitaly

@Robusto Yeah, it's the ethic dative.

user19161

@JSBᾶngs OK I will note that.

Robusto

4:23 PM

@KitFox Both films end with Orson Welles' character dead, and some mysterious woman still carrying a torch for him. A form of egomania, I suppose, but it works.

@ClarkKent You may add things for whatever reason you choose: completeness, caprice, malice, benignity, heartburn, dyslexia, whatever. And I will continue to find my own reasons.

Vitaly

So, where does the ambiguity in the Taming of the Shrew come from? Is it because Grumio didn't expect Petruchio to use a colloquial construction, or is it because the ethic dative was only used by the upper classes?

KitFox

Um. What?

Vitaly

> N.E.D. (1906) notes ‘Formerly often in vulgar or colloq. phrases (now obs.) such as “then says me I”, “what did me I but”, etc.’ Examples in earlier literature of this co-occurrence with the subjective pronoun appear in fact not to be common.

aedia λ

Every time I come back, it's like not words in here.

Robusto

@Vitaly It's always been a marker of lower-class usage, as far as I can tell.

aedia λ

4:31 PM

frustrated at not remembering how to log in to add A Touch of Evil to Netflix queue

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Just type your password here, like this: *********

Vitaly

@Robusto But how come Grumio failed to parse Petruchio's order correctly then?

user19161

@aediaλ +1 for using ordinary font to denote italics within italics.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Jasper, you are wearing all the wrong uniform.

user19161

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 My password is ************.

user19161

4:33 PM

Shh, don't tell anyone that.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Robusto

I'll have to think about that when I get back from lunch. Mahlzeit!

Vitaly

Mahlzeit.

user19161

I think this room has many copies of mahlzeit, gesundheit, geezis and QED.

KitFox

What was Petruchio's order?

Did I fall out of reality again?

aedia λ

4:35 PM

Tuna on rye?

KitFox

hahaha

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Well I'm out. Laters.

KitFox

Bai!

aedia λ

Cya!

Robusto

Lunch ride delayed five minutes. So ...

KitFox

4:36 PM

whistles

Vitaly

@KitFox shakespeare-navigators.com/shrew/ShrewText12.html

user19161

@Robusto That means your lunch time should be extended by 5 min.

KitFox

cranks a butt

in her imagination

@Vitaly Well, because it is funnier that way.

Robusto

" Nay, 'tis no matter, sir, what he 'leges in Latin.
if this be not a lawful case for me to leave his
service, look you, sir, he bid me knock him and rap
him soundly, sir: well, was it fit for a servant to
use his master so, being perhaps, for aught I see,
two and thirty, a pip out? Whom would to God I had
well knock'd at first, Then had not Grumio come by the worst"

The misunderstanding is Shakespeare playing to the pit.

KitFox

That's what I said!

Robusto

4:38 PM

He knows the lower classes would get the joke, and would also enjoy seeing a servant beating his master.

@KitFox Yes, but I lent it a certain air of authority, I think we can all agree.

Vitaly

I see. OK. Thanks.

Robusto

Lunch ride now ready. Lift-off!

user19161

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Actually I still have no idea what that picture means. Sorry for being daft.

Matt Эллен

nah, I still look like a robot

aedia λ

that's the goblin talking

user19161

4:41 PM

@MattЭллен Yes, still robot, not goblin.

user19161

@aediaλ Oh no, quick tell Spiderman!

Vitaly

@MattЭллен Have you tried switching to the robot, changing the robot's rating to PG and then switching back to the goblin?

user19161

Spiderman is on vacation. It's OK, Superman is here to deal with Goblin.

KitFox

Superman and the Goblin will never meet.

spits on the ground

It offends me that you would even suggest it.

user19161

@Vitaly Maybe changing the robot's rating to XXX might work.

user19161

4:43 PM

@KitFox You must be Wonder Woman in disguise.

KitFox

hiss

user19161

Oh, Catwoman I forgot.

aedia λ

KitFox

Look. I'm Marvel through and through. Don't bring your DC crap into my universe.

Matt Эллен

@ClarkKent ORC Yah numnuts! I'm not no snot nosed retard stinkin gobbo

aedia λ

4:44 PM

if I make my window tiny I can put so many ~~goblins~~ orcs together

Matt Эллен

lol

user19161

@aediaλ Is that a desktop or phone?

KitFox

I wanna see the goblins!

aedia λ

@ClarkKent Oh it's a desktop... I just squished it

Matt Эллен

@Vitaly I might try that.

user19161

4:45 PM

@aediaλ Hehe, I remember you use Android.

Matt Эллен

right I have to be off. C y'all!

aedia λ

Bai!

BOSS

5:35 PM

anyone feel like critiquing an essay?

not sure if this is the place to ask

but if someone's interested

docs.google.com/document/d/…

hit it up

Robusto

5:50 PM

I just want to know why we need yet another Spiderman origin-story movie.

KitFox

Do we?

user19161

@Robusto At first I thought you were referring to the google doc above.

user19161

Then I realized a new Spiderman movie is coming out.

Robusto

Hahaha.

Maybe because Spiderman III was such an ass-sucking disaster they felt the franchise needed a reboot?

KitFox

Again?

Robusto

5:57 PM

I dunno. Why two versions of The Hulk? And are movies made about Marvel Comics destined to be do-overs until Stan Lee decides they got it right?

JSBᾶngs

i find the current glut of superhero movies to be annoying

KitFox

If they would just get it right the first time, I wouldn't mind so much.

JSBᾶngs

the first two Spiderman were ok, and the Dark Knight trilogy is shaping up to be awesome

outside of those two, i couldn't care less

KitFox

But good lord, look what they did to Daredevil.

Robusto

@JSBᾶngs The Dark Knight was awesome mainly because of Heath Ledger's performance.

JSBᾶngs

5:59 PM

@Robusto which was enough awesome for OVER 9000 superhero films

user19161

There is no dark knight, only dark night.

KitFox

headdesk

Robusto

@JSBᾶngs /nod

JSBᾶngs

i have high hopes for The Dark Knight Rises

user19161

The dark night of the soul of the dark knight of the city, there there.

JSBᾶngs

6:00 PM

but that's the only superhero movie that i intend to see this year. or last year, or probably next year.

Robusto

@JSBᾶngs Careful. You may be condemned to watch Thor over and over, in some kind of Groundhog Day hell, until you change your attitude.

KitFox

Oh, but Thor could be so good.

But it sucked, didn't it? I haven't seen it.

JSBᾶngs

people who like Thor supposedly liked the Thor movie

user19161

At first I thought the title was Thaw.

JSBᾶngs

KitFox

6:05 PM

hahaha

Heimdall is black? That's hilarious.

Robusto

The worst thing about it was that they made the Norse god of thunder boring. I didn't think it was possible.

user19161

What is the funniest movie of all time? I want to watch a comedy.

KitFox

Really? Thor's stories are pretty good. How could they mess that up?

Robusto

@ClarkKent The Life of Brian

JSBᾶngs

Rushmore

actually, that one's probably not to your taste

KitFox

6:06 PM

Good one.

user19161

OK I will check them out.

Robusto

@KitFox It wasn't about Thor's stories. It was some crappy neo-romantic bullshit.

KitFox

@Robusto With the EMT girlfriend? That's hardly any part of his actual story arc.

KitFox

6:22 PM

How can I get an img to fill the content area? I tried width:100%; but that doesn't seem to do anything.

Oh. The element style is overriding it.

Argh. I will never remember the notation for CSS.

Mahnax

Helloooo.

KitFox

Hola.

Mahnax

How is your CSS coming along now?

KitFox

Well, I am really unhappy with asp charts right now.

Using CSS with them makes weird things happen.

Mahnax

I don't know what an asp chart is.

I just use CSS and JavaScript, no ASP.net or anything for me.

Robusto

6:44 PM

@Mahnax That's the spirit.

Abstraction layers are too abstract.

Mahnax

@Robusto I appreciate your support.

I don't have time for programming at all right now, unless it's for a school project.

Robusto

Let me rephrase: Microsoft abstraction layers are too abstract.

KitFox

Useless, useless, useless.

Stupid charts. Stupid lack of useful documentation. Stupid upcoming Important Visitor.

Mitch

@Robusto moreso than Sun/Oracle's for Java?

Robusto

@Mitch Well ...

I guess I just hate the MS attitude that they know better than you, and that they so assiduously throw up all kinds of barriers when you try to get around their stupidity.

Mahnax

6:50 PM

JSBᾶngs

you don't want to look like idoits to the germanys!

fixed

Robusto

There are no longer germanys plural. Only Germany singular.

JSBᾶngs

KT knows about the secret germanys

Robusto

@JSBᾶngs Ssshhhhh ...

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