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I'll Have Another (foaled April 1, 2009) is a North American Thoroughbred race horse, bred in Kentucky and owned by Canadian businessman J. Paul Reddam and trained by Doug O'Neill, that won the 2012 Kentucky Derby with a time of 2:01.83. Background I'll Have Another is a chestnut horse sired by the Travers Stakes winner Flower Alley. In September 2010, I'll Have Another was sent to the Keeneland sales where he was bought for $11,000 by Victor M. Davila. Racing career After winning on his racecourse debut in July 2011, I'll Have Another finished second to Creative Cause in the Grade II...

Oh FFS, we have Wikipedia articles on individual horses now?

Matt Эллен

11:07 AM

Wikipedia must be being sponsored by bookies.

Robusto

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Hey, that horse won the Kentucky Derby. For some people that's a big deal.

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A: What does to "bleed something" mean?

Bleed means to lose something steadily in a way that is dangerous to the life of something, as bleeding is to human life. The example you cite means Rust Belt states have lost jobs. If they lose too many — bleed too many jobs — the Rust Belt is in danger of dying. Which it is.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Well I eated a sandwich two days ago. That was a big deal to me. I demand that the sandwich get its own wiki article now.

Robusto

Ahh, my daily downvote. Seems I have a nemesis who's determined to bleed me.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 You could write one yourself.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Apr 19 at 16:08, by RegDwight Ѭſ道

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Matt Эллен

make it subtly poetic

Robusto

11:14 AM

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Well, at least that one doesn't give me a daily downvote.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

11:49 AM

Sleep Talking Man: "Fucking unicorns. 'Oh, I've got a horn!' So fucking obnoxious. You're just a horse with a party hat, dickhead."

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

The Sleep Talking Man is a lie.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

is he?

Robusto

I thought unicorns were just dickheads. You know, the phallic symbolism thing?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

> There has been some talk of this being a hoax, especially after the audio clips have come out. He doesn't sound much like any other person I've heard sleep talking, and he hardly mumbles at all (another common occurrence in sleep talking). I really wish this were true, but I'm finding it especially hard to believe--especially with the convenient ability to market this for profit.

Just one random quote off the Internet.

If you believe in the Sleep Talking Man, you might as well believe in that quote.

Robusto

I believe everything on the Internet absolutely and without reservation.

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Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

11:56 AM

If I believe in STM I won't believe in that quote.

If I don't believe in STM then I have no justification to believe in that quote either.

When two contradictory statements are on the internet, but you don't believe anything you read, are they both false?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

You are false.

Robusto

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Two wrongs do make a right. I thought we'd covered that.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

> SOOOO FAKE! grrr this annoys me and if nots fake, this guys got some major problems. pack your bags and RUN

Come on, if that has no currency, I'll eat a cake!

KitFox

I like cake.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Apr 21 at 20:17, by RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

i like big butts.

KitFox

11:59 AM

and i cannot lie

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Jul 19 '11 at 14:09, by RegDwight

I like turtles.

Robusto

You're in luck. It's turtles all the way down.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Aug 24 '11 at 16:50, by RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Robusto It's turtles all the way down.

So you listened to me! For once.

Robusto

In retrospect, you should have lobbied for big butts all the way down, though.

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RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Don't lobby that flobby.

Robusto

12:00 PM

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 That is a well known meme.

KitFox

It's over 9000 degrees in my office.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Robusto oh really? I thought that was an original statement of mine.

KitFox

It's hot enough to breed sheep.

Robusto

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 That's why we go over this stuff.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Poor stuff.

Robusto

12:02 PM

@KitFox Eeuuww! Bad image. The proper way to say that in polite society is: "It's hotter than two rats fucking in an old sock."

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Not in Reaumur.

Robusto

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 A difference in degree, not in kind.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Thank you for your kind words.

KitFox

Anyway, I protested and left.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Protested sheep-breeding?

KitFox

12:03 PM

Now I am sitting not far from the homefries, coffee, and doughnuts.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

How not far is not far?

KitFox

@MrShinyandNew安宇 In my office, yes.

Robusto

@KitFox Hawt!

KitFox

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 About twenty metres.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

In Reaumur, please.

skullpatrol

12:04 PM

polite society...

KitFox

I am not against sheep-breeding in general, by the way.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

What about lieutenant?

KitFox

Major.

Robusto

@KitFox But it's unnatural for people to breed with sheep.

KitFox

@Robusto If the sheep don't mind, why should I?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

12:05 PM

@Robusto Says who? I saw no mention of that in the Bible.

Robusto

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Everything in the Bible that is not compulsory is forbidden. I thought we'd been over that.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

The Bible has no mention of us being over that.

Robusto

Ich habe die Nase voll von dir.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Du hast aber eine große Nase.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Therefore it must be forbidden.

Robusto

12:08 PM

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Solcher Süßholzraspler.

skullpatrol

The Bible forbids any definition of God.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

The Bible forbids itself?

Robusto

@skullpatrol Wait. I thought God was totally ripped. Six-pack abs, the whole package.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Inform the Arabs.

skullpatrol

It forbids any other "Bible."

KitFox

12:10 PM

@Robusto He is. Totally. God is hot.

skullpatrol

@Robusto He is the "whole" package ;-)

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

So Nietzsche says God is dead. Kit says God is hot. There's no way for you to be both dead and hot unless you're in Hell. Thus, God is in Hell. QED

KitFox

oh shit dude u used qed porperly!

skullpatrol

Where is Satan?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Behind you.

KitFox

12:12 PM

In my bed.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Wow Kit's bed is pretty close to skullpatrol.

KitFox

I had no idea.

He must be behind that spider plant.

Robusto

@Reg: Since my "big butts" line got starred somehow, can you put in a "way" before "down" in that sentence, please?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Robusto perhaps it got starred precisely because of the lack of "way"?

Robusto

But thank you any "way" ...

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

12:17 PM

I am the s "way" er of this room.

Robusto

The Way, the Truth and the Life?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Satan's bed

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KitFox

The sway, the truf, and the Lite.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 NO COMIC SANS!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yeah sorry

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

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Q: What is the difference in meaning between singular and plural nouns following "No"?

For example: No student goes to school today. No students go to school today. What is the difference in meaning between a singular noun and a plural noun following "No"?

meaning

This looks somewhat familiar.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

12:22 PM

Better version with fixed lyrics:

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but wrong album cover

KitFox

I noticed that. How interesting.

I should've pegged you for a Pearl Jam fan.

Probably @JSB too.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 I think we had one with "any".

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

I think we had one with "no".

But it's hard to find, that much's for shoe-ah.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

come on Reg, you're the finder

Everyone knows the search engine for EL&U is just a browser plugin you run that polls your open tabs

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

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Q: There are no comments / There is no comment

Which is correct? * "There are no comments." * "There is no comment." Which would you use for a web application, i.e. what to display when a blog post or an article has no comment attached? Actually, I am trying to fix an application that says: "There is no comments" ! Would that ever be righ...

grammatical-number

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Q: Is singular or plural standard for state of none of something?

Possible Duplicate: There are no comments / There is no comment Which of these is more standard? There are no balls in the room. There is no ball in the room. Or if both can be appropriate, which would be used to discuss the requirement that one or more balls is required to...

grammatical-number

1

Q: There is no ticket or there are no tickets?

Possible Duplicate: There are no comments / There is no comment. Can someone please tell me which one is better and correct. There is no ticket. or There are no tickets. If both are right, then which one is more preferable to say?

grammatical-number

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

see?

I knew we could count on you to hit CTRL-TAB enough times

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

12:29 PM

Over 9000, in point of fact.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

actually the No comments one is not really the same as the no students one

Meysam رها در بند

Hey

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Yeah.

The "there are" keeps interfering.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

"There is no comment" is not idiomatic for talking about a list of comments

Em1

Is "out-commented" a conventional word?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

12:31 PM

But "no student goes to school today" is correct and the difference is only in a shade of meaning

Meysam رها در بند

Which one is preferred? "Whoever came up with this name, should be ashamed of themselves" vs "Whoever came up with this name, should be ashamed of himself" vs. "Whoever came up with this name, should be ashamed of herself"

Em1

Btw. hello all together ;p

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Em1 "commented out". This is English, not German.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Em1 people commonly form words with "out-" to indicate that they were beaten. He outran me.

So if there was a competition involving "comments" you could be "out-commented"

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Yeah, and that.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

12:33 PM

But if you mean "converted some code to a comment" then @Reg's statement is right

Em1

So that means: "Have a look at the commented out code." would be fine?

Robusto

Commute. Laters.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

CU

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Em1 yes

In that case I might put a hyphen between commented and out

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

I'd go with "Have a look at the code that's been commented out".

Em1

12:34 PM

Ok... "Have a look at the commented-out code." ;p

@RegDwightB8 Good idea.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Meysamرهادربند If you allow for "singular they" for cases where you don't know the gender of the person (I do allow this, some people really hate it) then go with "themselves"

Em1

Ok, thanks all...

<--- afk

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Meysamرهادربند If you're concerned about a singular-they-hater hating you for using that, use "ashamed of himself or herself"

skullpatrol

him or herself

KitFox

him- or herself.

giggles

hides in sack

No doughnuts today.

sad panda

Meysam رها در بند

12:37 PM

there is this lyrics which uses the same "singular they": "Children gaze open mouth. Taken by surprise. Nobody down below believes their eyes"

skullpatrol

there is lyrics which uses: "I can't get no satisfaction" :-D

Meysam رها در بند

@skullpatrol Reminds me of the movie "Life or something like that", in which Angelina Jolie sings: "I can get nooooooooo! sa tis fac tionnnnnn!"

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Meysamرهادربند Well, I like singular they. Consider this: the word "you" used to be plural; before it was singular "thou" and plural "you". There are not very many circumstances where singular they is confusing.

It's a famous Rolling Stones song

skullpatrol

@MrShinyandNew安宇 With infamously bad grammar :-)

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

There is no such thing as "bad grammar".

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

12:43 PM

@skullpatrol tsk tsk, around here we say "infamously non-standard grammar"

@Reg jinx

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Either something is grammatical or it is not. It cannot be badly grammatical or goodly grammatical.

@skullpatrol what would be "good" grammar, anyway?

user19161

A grammar is something that grams. QED.

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skullpatrol

Yeah that ^ is it!

KitFox

Interesting factoid about Grammar...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasperLoy You misspelled grammor

user19161

12:47 PM

Have any of you encountered "random computer errors" which you cannot diagnose and you think is just the computer misreading a disc or file somehow? Is that theoretically possible?

Gigili

I'm not starring anything, JFYI.

KitFox

I thought you were leaving.

smooch

Meysam رها در بند

neither am I

user19161

@Gigili It's OK, I know everything. I have six senses.

skullpatrol

@JasperLoy Only in theory :-D

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

12:48 PM

@JasperLoy it could be any number of problems

like, bad ram

that's the most likely problem

KitFox

bad u

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Gigili OMG double negation, watch out, you'll get reprimanded by @skullpatrol.

Meysam رها در بند

@MrShinyandNew安宇 There is no such thing as "bad ram".

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Meysamرهادربند sorry, "non-standard ram"

user19161

@Meysamرهادربند Whoa, I did not get your joke until Mr Shiny pointed it out. I am slow at jokes.

user19161

12:51 PM

@skull Do you have enough rep to vote for mod elections?

skullpatrol

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 There is no such thing as "double negation" only non-standard negation :D

@JasperLoy No.

user19161

@skullpatrol I am not sure how they calculate the minimum required. I sort of recall it was different on different occasions.

Meysam رها در بند

@JasperLoy When is the elections?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@skullpatrol very good, fast learning you are, young Padawan.

user19161

So far I have voted for ELU, Math, TeX and Ubuntu mods.

user19161

12:53 PM

@Meysamرهادربند Oh, I was just thinking about the math mod elections, not here.

Gigili

@JasperLoy And the ones you vote for were elected?

user19161

@Gigili Er, cannot remember, too long ago. I think some were and some were not. In life we win some and lose some.

Gigili

I thought we all won at the end.

user19161

Well, we do lose this life at the end of this life, and what happens after that is a mystery. But what we have done remain in this world for some time. For example, the theorems we have proved or the people we have cared for.

Gigili

You could be a good theorist.

user19161

12:58 PM

For now, I am only a lunatic.

Gigili

You seem to be a bit of a philosopher.

user19161

Yes, I do think about and observe people and life a lot.

Gigili

Good for you.

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