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12:08 AM
@Gilles heh, I have a floppy disk because "it'll be interesting to see how tar, split and cat used to be used"
@slm it depends on the locale settings. originally GNU/Linux (and UNIX) used ASCII, but nowadays a lot of things use UTF-8, although you can still configure ASCII locales.
Plan 9 was the first operating system to use Unicode. in fact, Unicode was designed for Plan 9. (UTF-8 is also usually used in web pages.)
@terdon or the guy who asked about GUI mounting "under the hood", and wouldn't accept reasonable answers. IIRC we wanted to close based on "question will never be resolved as long as OP is OP"
@Gilles I'm pretty sure it's 600 rep on at least one site. isn't it?
 
slm
@strugee - do you remember a Q about the desktop where I think I answered it and the OP added a bounty and then someone else wrote up an alternative A and got the bounty? It was ~ 2 months ago, maybe?
@Gilles LOL!
 
@strugee no, the association bonus is 200
 
12:24 AM
@terdon I don't recall. possibly?
@slm yeah, that was the GUI mounting question. that guy bugged the crap out of me.
 
slm
@strugee - what was the link to the Q, it was driving me nuts the other night.
 
@Gilles huh. I could have sworn that I only got association bonuses when I hit 600 on AU
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Q: How does mounting on the GUI work "under the hood"

chirpUPDATE Please correct me if I'm wrong: For working on my computer, with a GNU/Linux Distribution named Debian, I know two ways to enter a command, start an application, open a file, etc.: a Command Line Interface where I enter text a Graphical User Interface [a.k.a GUI]: an interface which pr...

 
slm
Thanks, that's what I was looking for. I had the picture of the diagram in his Q and was thinking it was a dup potentially for some of the what's a desktop questions we were getting.
chirp
@Gilles - you got any ideas on the bell duration?
I thought xset for sure but that's not it, I'm thinking it's controlled by the DE
 
don't we have a what's a desktop question already? I think it's called something like "what's the difference between a window manager and a desktop environment"
 
slm
we have a lot
they all kinda suck
 
12:29 AM
true.
 
drat
 
slm
the prob. is they all address little bits of it, and the OPs generally don't understand the issue well enough to ask the Q in a good way. It's one of the areas where we should try and get a better Q&A on it for the site.
 
yeah. I have a whole list of things that I've been meaning to do
 
slm
yeah me too
 
12:32 AM
@slm the X bell is controlled by xset
 
slm
that series was one of my ideas for the blog
 
a program like xterm uses that
a program like gnome-terminal might use a gnome setting instead
 
slm
@Gilles - hmm...thanks will look from that angle.
 
my system bell isn't even working here. I don't know why and I don't care
the last time I used it, the system bell was asynchronous: control is returned immediately to the app, but if there's a new bell request while the current bell is being rung, the request is dropped
that looks like what lightandlight is seeing, so I'd say it's normal behavior
I don't know how to change it
 
@Gilles I'll bet you a lot that it's just muted in ALSA (or whatever sound subsystem you're using)
 
slm
12:36 AM
@Gilles - I like your idea of gnome controlling I think that's a good lead, my bell works but I have it muted 99% of the time.
 
@strugee ah, yes, found it, I had the “Beep” control on mute
 
nailed it
 
I think the last time I used that bell was before alsa took over pcspkr
 
what was pcspkr? hell?
 
so no, I was wrong earlier (or the behavior has changed)
each bell request starts a new interval
so if you spam BELs, you get a continuous sound until you stop, then it continues for the bell duration
that's with the default X bell coming out of pcspkr
 
slm
12:43 AM
dconf-editor
 
looks like it's acting as a frontend for xset
 
god, I wish I was on a GNU/Linux box
 
1:08 AM
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A: How to search XTerm console history?

GillesThere's nothing built in, exactly, but there are two ways to get at the scrollback text. You can configure the XTerm.vt100.on4Clicks and XTerm.vt100.on5Clicks resources (or from on1Clicks onwards, for that matter) to choose to copy the whole scrollback to the X11 PRIMARY selection. For example, ...

I didn't know xterm supports up to quintuple click
 
slm
@Gilles that's crazy
 
 
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slm
5:11 AM
If anyone is into the infrastructure monitoring side of SE this is an interesting slide deck.
 
@slm heh, I opened that and then noticed that it was already in my Pocket list...
 
slm
ha
 
indeed
 
 
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7:47 AM
I have this question on askubuntu: askubuntu.com/questions/405759/… and I was wondering if it's OK for me to also post the question on the unix and linux stack exchange site. I'm in realy deep s**t if I can't access my files anymore, so any sort of attention will be great
 
8:33 AM
@terdon That's good.
@Nkciy84 I don't think SE likes cross-posting. if you don't get an answer on Ask Ubuntu, you can ask them to move it here.
 
Ok, I will wait it out for a while, and then ask if it can be moved
 
 
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slm
1:00 PM
@Nkciy84 Yes please do not cross post it. It goes on one site or the other, not both. If we find the dup, we'll end up just closing the one here anyway.
 
1:17 PM
@slm ok, I won't
 
@slm, if you look here, this is where I got the SCO command from. rootunix.org/SCO/sco.txt
Scroll down to about 3/4 down the page, and you will see it talks about users and groups.
 
slm
@Kevdog777 - yeah I saw your edit, I was checking it out.
@Kevdog777 - here's a better source, undelete and bring it back.
it's legit
 
Thanks, will do that now.
 
slm
yup, sorry for doubting, those didn't look like real commands.
 
no worries mate
 
slm
1:27 PM
if you get a sec give kevdog777 some UV love on this, his A is correct and was erroneously doubted.
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A: How to get the group that a user belongs to in SCO

Kevdog777Try: groupls Lists what groups you are in. groupls (username) groupls -a Lists all groups (taken from: OSR600 Docs)

 
1:57 PM
@slm you've spent your votes already?
 
slm
No that was getting DV'ed and the cmds he posted were right
 
Anyone have any ideas on this one?
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Q: zsh doesn't open vim or gvim until terminal is closed

LerpWhen I try to launch vim or gvim from the terminal (or a program tries to do it such as git rebase --interactive). It doesn't open until the terminal closes, it just sits there thinking the program has launched. The program doesn't even open if I append &, except I can use the terminal as usual....

 
slm
I UV'ed
@terdon I've seen this behavior before. Look at the editor env. variables for git, or perhaps the editor definition in git's configs. (I think it's accessible using git --config or something). Also the env. variable PAGER or something.
looks like the OP figured it out.
That's similar to the issues I've seen where the tool is put into an interactive mode or passed switches but no args for the switch, so it's sitting there waiting.
much like a cat with nothing after it.
If he'd done a `ps auxf` you'd see the process derived from the shell sleeping and know it was `zsh` that was asleep. Similar to the cat example.

`saml 28335 0.0 0.0 107912 508 pts/6 S+ 09:03 0:00 | \_ cat
`
 
Huh, OK
 
slm
that's cat with no args. and the output from ps.
You'd see the shell, zsh, asleep would be what I'd expect.
 
 
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4:36 PM
@slm I use all five of 'em!
 
slm
@derobert ???
 
select word, select to end of line, select entire line, select all
... that's double click through 5 clicks in my xterms
 
@Braiam I suspect you can get the sector to poke using FIBMAP/FIEMAP e.g., using filefrag -v
root@Zia:/home/anthony# filefrag -v test.txt
Filesystem type is: ef53
File size of test.txt is 34 (1 block of 4096 bytes)
 ext:     logical_offset:        physical_offset: length:   expected: flags:
   0:        0..       0:      37583..     37583:      1:             eof
test.txt: 1 extent found
root@Zia:/home/anthony# dd if=/dev/mapper/Zia-home skip=37583 bs=4096 count=1 | xxd -a
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
4096 bytes (4.1 kB) copied, 6.35e-05 s, 64.5 MB/s
0000000: 5468 6973 2069 7320 736f 6d65 2074 6573  This is some tes
that's on ext4, though. But should work if btrfs supports those ioctls
 
4:54 PM
And, oh dear, my post to the iommu list finally went through. All three copies :-(
 
:P
 
5:18 PM
Wow, and now my messages hit the archive page in under a minute. Guess they fixed it. Or whitelisted me, one or the other...
 
5:48 PM
@Braiam I answered. looks like that btrfs talk I watched payed off...
I just wish I could get rep here instead of on AU
 
6:07 PM
@strugee Hah, dare you to flag for diamond mod, custom message "please move to Unix.SE, rep there is far more valuable" :-P
Wonder what the AskUbuntu mods would think of that one....
 
err dunno, I tried to remove the "corruption" tag just to be re-added since he's looking for non-filesystem specific methods... but why the heck a corruption tag?
 
slm
@derobert That's nuts.
 
@slm well, I'm still using xterm, doesn't that require me to be at least a little bit nuts?
 
slm
@derobert - you said it 8-)
why you using it anyway?
 
@slm You're going to force me to come up with a parody of Avenue Q's song by a similar title here...
 
slm
6:21 PM
please don't
 
@slm They start up quickly, last time I checked xterm had the best unicode support(!), and I'm used to all its weird quirks
That last thing is probably the main reason now.
 
slm
when was the last time you checked? seems like a weak reason (unicode) now. I'd be surprised if that was still true.
 
hi all. trying to create a simple alias in my bash_profile. keep getting an error. i put this line in my profile alias htdoc=“cd /Applications/MAMP/htdocs/“. i refresh it with source ~/.bash_profile. in response i get -bash: alias: /Applications/MAMP/htdocs/“: not found is my syntax wrong?
 
slm
yeah I used Fedora 14 for so long cuz it just worked, so I get that.
 
@slm well, time to check. Test file I used before is at cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-demo.txt
... well, there is konsole failing.
 
slm
6:25 PM
looks fine in gnome-terminal
 
@slm gnome-terminal has its own unique failure... when I start one, it starts a reasonable size, then starts shrinking. It keeps resizing itself until its 3 lines tall. I suspect it doesn't like kwin.
@slm though, wow, it actually renders the file right now. It didn't used to.
 
slm
yeah that doesn't happen when running in GNOME
so you use KDE?
 
@slm Yep. I switched to KDE when I got fed up with GNOME removing features
 
slm
ah
 
Wow, gnome-terminal actually does a nice job with the shading
 
slm
6:31 PM
Yeah here's mine.
seems to work just fine, I noticed no issues with it.
 
Yeah. gnome-terminal now has pretty good Unicode support, it seems. I notice one problem:
Those combining characters have been put on the wrong line, it seems.
@slm can't tell from your screenshot if that happens on your system, too.
 
@derobert heh, the irony is that the q was asked by a diamond-mod... I should just leave a comment
 
slm
@deroberts looks like a mistake.
 
@slm btw, if you want to see a disaster, try it in Chromium. Firefox gets it almost perfect...
 
@strugee @derobert start reading here
 
6:42 PM
... that's Chromium.
 
slm
Chrome does an OK job, gnome-terminal does it better.
 
@derobert Zalgo fails for me... I haven't figured out why in chromium
(fails = squares)
 
slm
 
@slm that's Chrome?
 
slm
yes
 
6:46 PM
Yeah. So it fails to handle some of the alignment correctly. Much better than Chromium, though.
 
slm
Version 31.0.1650.63
 
Iceweasel (and I assume Firefox), OTOH, get it nearly perfect.
Iceweasel 26
... same
... there is Iceweasel's error.
Its also using a silly font for braille (nothing incorrect, its just hard to "read"), but, well, that's a configuration option somewhere.
 
slm
7:08 PM
what is that suppose to look like? The A with a o on top of it, right? But how big is that suppose to be? The T overlaps it on gnome-terminal
 
@slm It's supposed to look like the STARGATE logo... so the ° should be on top of the A. It should look like the precomposed character: Å
well, except that's an A, and the one above doesn't have the cross-stroke that an A has. But similar to the Å
 
slm
@derobert - OK so the A shouldn't be overlapped by anything. So gnome-terminal is picking the wrong sized ver. of the A with the o on top.
 
@derobert well, I went and did it
@Oli I suspect that you'd find a more interested audience on U&L, both in terms of votes and in terms of answers. plus, this. — strugee 55 secs ago
 
Yeah. I have no idea what gnome-terminal is doing there. I suspect it had to do a substitution with a different font to get the character, and well the sizing didn't work out.
I'm curious too what Firefox is doing in my screenshot, where it put it over the T instead of the Λ
its U+030A combining ring above, so it certainly sounds like it should go above.
Its funny too, because if you put it above an A instead of uppercase lamda, it works in Firefox.
STARGÅTE
 
7:54 PM
@derobert if I'm not mistaken package maintainer has to sign the deb file and then the keys of them has to be added to the debian-keyrings packages, no?
 
@Braiam not quite. The changes file is signed.
Then the archive software verifies that signature as part of processing the upload.
If uploading to Debian, then debian-keyring is used for that. Of course, a non-Debian archive will use a different keyring
Then, finally, the archive key is used to sign the Release file
looking at the q, the whole signed changes part may not be needed there, as the upload path may be trusted
but no time to go write an answer myself...
 
@slm turns out to be PEBKAC
yet another case of mixing up session startup (.profile) and session startup (.${SHELL}rc) and then making the mess worse by trying to make it work in a few common cases
I voted to close as not reproducible, because if he's instructing vim to start interactive shells all over the place, he should have expected that it would sometimes… start an interactive shell
 
ntfs-3g module works in unix right?
> It is runnable on Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenSolaris, BeOS, QNX, WinCE, Nucleus, VxWorks, Haiku,[1] MorphOS, Minix, Mac OS X[2] and OpenBSD
nothing about unix...
 
8:12 PM
@Braiam I see seven unices in that list, plus a bunch of systems with a POSIX layer
 
so, in theory it should work, but it's not explicit said that it would
 
@Braiam what would work?
if you mean work on a product called Unix, that hasn't existed in a few decades, and I doubt that ntfs-3g has been ported to such old systems
 
all features of the ntfs-3g module
 
if you mean work on a product that is a Unix variant, then sure, many are listed
 
I wasn't sure if I could use the *NIX in an answer to say that it should work in all unices, so I played safe and used just "Linux-based OS"
@Braiam : Either a USB stick or a special item from Pokémon Colosseumgoldilocks 51 secs ago
@goldilocks you freaking kidding me...
 
8:55 PM
i don't see why the ddrescue tag is relevant.
 
@FaheemMitha nor do I.
 
9:08 PM
@derobert I suppose one should do a custom reject
 
@FaheemMitha I did
 
@derobert Great, thanks. I was cowardly and lazy and skipped it.
 
@FaheemMitha hah, two other people voted to approve...
 
@derobert Hmm. I thought it only asked two people.
 
@FaheemMitha it asks two people, and if those two disagree, it asks a third
 
9:15 PM
Shall I edit out the ddrescue tag?
@derobert I see.
 
sure, if you want to... you don't go through the edit queue
 
@FaheemMitha it is the program whose name the asker didn't remember
there's no reason to remove it
after all, we do expect that answers would discuss dd_rescue or ddrescue
 
hah, let's see how many edits we can get adding and removing the tag. Unfortunately, I can't participate, as its past time for lunch. BBL.
 
> I think there exists some program that reads raw data off damaged drives and then pulls out all the undamaged files that it can.
Testdisk, Photorec, ddrescue, etc. etc...
he's asking for a list ;)
 
@Gilles Ok, add it back if you think it is better with.
 
9:20 PM
@Gilles actually he knows none
 
@Gilles Though I don't see why ddrescue is the only program that "reads raw data off damaged drives and then pulls out all the undamaged files that it can."
@derobert :-)
 
crop of the milk (cream?):
Thanks! Turns out it was readable directly from a CrunchBang flash. No recovery necessary :) — Korgan Rivera Dec 2 '12 at 16:14
 
We could call it a game of tags :-)
@Braiam That was polite.
Most of the time they just ignore the answers.
 
@FaheemMitha it's not the only one, but it is a well-known one
 
@Gilles Ok. I've never used it.
 
10:13 PM
@Gilles are you talking about something like this? (please say no)
 
@strugee this looks fine: .profile is setting environment variables
you should include .bashrc only in interactive shells though
case $- in *i*) . ~/.bashrc;; esac
 
@Gilles ah, I see what you're saying.
 
10:38 PM
@Gilles at the top? yeah, that bit was boilerplate inherited from an old Ubuntu default .bash_profile, or something. I should get rid of it.
 
hey guys
i have a wee bit of a conflict:
`apt-cache depends default-jdk
default-jdk
Depends: default-jre
Depends: openjdk-7-jdk
Conflicts: default-jdk:i386
`
how can i resolve it?
 
you need both a 32-bit jdk and a 64-bit jdk? why?
 
no i just need 64bit
i am trying to install icedtea-plugin
for jre7
also i don't know which plugin i need: icedtea-7-plugin or icedtea-plugin?
(for openjdk-7-jre )
 
-7 goes with -7
if you just need the 64-bit jdk, install it
 
pt-cache depends default-jdk
default-jdk
  Depends: default-jre
  Depends: openjdk-7-jdk
  Conflicts: default-jdk:amd64
the jdk installs the jre... I don't see anything bad
apt-cache depends icedtea-7-plugin
icedtea-7-plugin
  Depends: openjdk-7-jre
  Depends: icedtea-netx
  Depends: libc6
  Depends: libgcc1
  Depends: libglib2.0-0
  Depends: libstdc++6
  Conflicts: <icedtea-gcjwebplugin>
  Conflicts: <icedtea-gcjwebplugin:amd64>
  Conflicts: icedtea-plugin
  Conflicts: <icedtea-plugin:amd64>
  Conflicts: icedtea6-plugin
  Conflicts: <icedtea6-plugin:amd64>
  Replaces: icedtea-7-plugin:amd64
  Breaks: icedtea-7-plugin:amd64
 
10:50 PM
when i try to simulate what will happen if i installed icedtea-7-plugin: paste.debian.net/76689
conflict again
 
@sterz remove the headless version...
 
@Braiam openjdk-7-jre-headless, right?
but then again: `aptitude remove openjdk-7-jre-headless
[sudo] password for semko:
The following packages will be REMOVED:
openjdk-7-jre-headless
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 57.2 MB will be freed.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
default-jre-headless : Depends: openjdk-7-jre-headless (>= 7~u3-2.1.1) but it is not going to be installed.
openjdk-7-jre : Depends: openjdk-7-jre-headless (= 7u51-2.4.4-1) but it is not going to be installed.
 
yea
@sterz remove default-jre-headless as the solution suggest
just press Y
(unless you need libreoffice-base)
 
@Braiam yes i do. but i think i need to install it later on.
 

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