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12:35 AM
I'm giving chromium a try again. Does anyone know of an extension that provides a button to clear text fields? So that I can middle click paste?
 
12:50 AM
@terdon middle click to paste has always worked for me in Chrome
I might have had to do something (set an option or install third-party software) under Windows
 
@Gilles it works fine, I's like to be able to clear an input field by clicking on a button so that I can then paste into it
 
and I don't recall any trouble in Chromium either
@terdon oh
odd
I can't remember wanting that
 
Really?How do you paste if the text field has text in it already?
I have this on firefox:
 
@terdon paste adds to what's already there, that's the way I usually want it
if I want to clear the field, I'll use the Delete or Backspace button on the keyboard
 
@Gilles say I want to copy text from a page and search for it in google. I need to 1. focus on the search/address text box in chrome 2. select all text already there 3. Clear that text and 4.middle click paste
With the extension, I just need to 1. Click a button to clear the field 2. middle click paste
 
12:54 AM
ah, ok
I mostly use the keyboard, and short-lived tabs
so I'd to Ctrl+T Ctrl+V Enter
 
Yeah. But I rarely copy with Ctrl+C so tend to have my text in the X11 buffer (that's the middle click one right?)
 
yes
then I'd do Ctrl+T, move mouse, middle click, Enter
we have different workflows, so different UI needs
 
fair enough. I actually do end up opening new tabs very often for searching anyway so I might get used to it.
And do you have a cool way of switching input languages for the spell check?
 
@terdon no... I hardly ever write in French in my browser anyway. I don't use it for emails.
 
I have a right click context menu "Spell Checker Options" but when I change the language there, it only affects newly opened pages. Not the one I'm on.
 
12:58 AM
there's French Language I suppose... I just tough it out
Speaking of French: you speak French, don't you?
 
yes
 
we have a dupe of something like this? askubuntu.com/questions/404341/…
 
@Gilles why?
 
Le site programmation sur Area 51 avait expiré, je l'ai relancé
@Braiam I don't think so. I'd say it's too broad
 
@Gilles is this true?
> Pourquoi est ce que Perl n'arrive pas à calculer la valeur exacte de 100! alors que Python si ?
 
1:00 AM
you'd have to list all the bash stuff (which is in the manual anyway) plus all the terminal features
@terdon python has bignums by default, perl doesn't
 
Huh, I see, found a nice Q on SO for that:
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Q: Calculate 100 factorial with all the digits

Krishnachandra SharmaI came across a problem of calculating 100 factorial. Here is what I tried first in Perl to calculate 100! : #!/usr/bin/perl use strict; use warnings; use Math::BigInt; my $n=<>; chomp($n); print fac($n); sub fac { my ($m) = @_; return 1 if($m <=1 ); return $m*fac($m-1); } But...

@Braiam do you switch between Spanish and English in chrome/chromium?
Do you know of a good extension to add spell checking for multiple languages?
 
@terdon in Chrome on Linux, I have a menu “Spell-checker Options” with a choice of “English (United States)” and “French”
I don't remember doing anything special, maybe I installed a language-support package for French
 
@Gilles yes, me too but it only seems to affect new pages.
 
@terdon what do you mean?
 
If I switch by clicking on this chat entry field, it does not change language. I need to open the chat on a new page for it to work.
Bonjour is marked wrong, despite my having selected French as the input language
 
1:04 AM
essayons un coup, je viens de passer en français
là je suis toujours en français. A few English words?
few et words sont soulignés
 
zut
chrome ou chromium?
OK, just confirmed, it works on chrome but not on chromium
merde
 
Chrome for me
I decided to go for Chrome because several little things weren't working in Chromium
 
Yeah, that explains it. OK, I'll play with chrome then instead.
 
spell checking might have been one of them, I don't remember
 
Looks like it.
 
1:08 AM
probably it was mainly flash
 
@terdon click add here chrome://settings/languages and add your language
it works for me in chromium....
 
slm
have any of you guys tried using the fish shell?
 
@Braiam I have, and I have also downloaded the dictionaries.
@slm nope
 
@slm "fish" shell?
 
1:10 AM
@terdon oh yeah, you have to download the packages too... unless you use google services...
 
slm
someone asked another Q about it today and I fired it up. Very nice looking shell.
Does a lot to help as you're typing
 
@slm I had a quick look. It thrives on not being customizable. I gave up.
 
slm
That's too bad. It looked promising.
 
@slm there's a syntax coloring patch for zsh
 
slm
I liked the pulling of the previous commands from your history as you type grayed out behind the prompt
 
1:13 AM
I haven't seen that, but it doesn't feel as useful
 
slm
can you pull the history into the prompt that that screenshot shows?
useful is difficult to tell until you use it for a bit
 
@Braiam I have, it does work if I open a new page, it just doesn't affect the current one.
 
slm
it was nice to see some attempts to improve the shell further, seems a little stagnant
I think the last big thing was completion
 
selective completion!
 
slm
how do you mean?
 
1:15 AM
that was my reason for switching from bash to zsh back in the day
 
slm
via the tab?
 
like when you type git <Tab> it completes git commands, and when you type ssh <Tab> it completes hosts and so on
 
slm
yes yes, that's another nice enhancement, it's in Bash now, but started in zsh, right?
 
I think it was in tcsh first, but I'm not sure
 
slm
me neither
 
1:17 AM
@terdon well, is webkit (js) based browser, you have to refresh the tab ;)
 
@Braiam not on chrome, works as soon as I place the cursor behind a word in another language. Anyway, refreshing is not enough, I had to actualy duplicate the page in a new tab
 
O_O
wait, ain't we talking about chromium?
 
@Braiam it works in chrome, it does not work in chromium
 
mm....
 
 
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slm
2:57 AM
This is an interesting A I wrote up if you're curious about LVM.
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Q: How does LVM find drives after setup

qawsedrfI want to move all my 14.5 TB of media drives (not OS) to a combined LVM file system due to constant problems arranging things to fit into multiple smaller file systems. My question is if after setup any of the 6 drives moves to a different location (/dev/sd*), is that going to be a problem? I h...

 
3:20 AM
@slm remember a month or two ago when we were talking about collecting really old crap, and I mentioned that it began with my stack of 25 CDs?
I finally took all the ones from my mom's house and put them in the stack at my dad's
 
slm
yup
didn't want to throw them out?
stacks of like ubuntu 6.04
what were they
 
3:32 AM
I have the CDs under control. I can stop whenever I want.
actually, the bottom cases are apparently empty. but the paper cases all have discs in them
@slm I've got various Ubuntu releases, dating back to 8.04. I've got various betas and alphas; most are Ubuntu but a couple are [KLX]ubuntu. I even have a couple Ubuntu Netbook Remix images
I've got about 5 Arch images, and just as many Plan 9 images, plus one 9atom image (9atom = Plan 9 plus some nice patches). miscellaneous things include Ultimate Boot Disk 5.0 (plus a second copy labeled "?"), Super GRUB Disk, a factory setup disc from my old laptop, Cute Partition Manager, a Gentoo image that was the wrong architecture, and OpenSolaris (apparently this never booted on my laptop)
I can't even tell you what some of those are anymore
 
 
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slm
5:12 AM
@FaheemMitha - I happened to see this thread which had a A deleted with it converted to a comment by a mod, so I guess they have that power.
 
@slm are you copy-n-pasting strugee?
 
@Braiam ?
 
slm
@Braiam I did by accident but then deleted it.
 
so... I'm seeing phantoms....
heh, it didn't got edited, had to refresh
 
weird. I don't see a deleted message on my end. we are talking about the chat, yes?
I'm very confused
 
slm
5:31 AM
in chat
 
hmm. shrugs
 
 
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4:30 PM
am I the only one who immediately knows @slm has answered a question when I see a long answer that starts with "on my Fedora 19 laptop..."
 
slm
haha
you're just jealous 8-)
 
of what?
 
slm
My awesome Fedora 19 laptop 8-)
ooo another one that I can answer with On my Fedora 19...
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Q: Rebuilding RPM results in "invalid numeric value"

IkarianI am attempting to add some config changes to Bash and repackage it as an RPM in CentOS x86. This is not something I've done before, so I'm at the mercy of info I've found around the internet. I am at the point where I have created my .spec file, and am attempting to run the following command: ...

 
@slm <troll>jealous of a laptop which, instead of dealing with problems gradually and only one at a time (i.e. in a controlled environment), just says "ok, I'm gonna upgrade now. please stand by while all hell breaks loose"?</troll>
 
slm
@strugee - tou·ché
 
4:38 PM
O_O
 
@slm heh. is the dot in the middle of that word because you copied it from somewhere, because of the accent?
 
slm
google
 
knew it
 
slm
didn't know how to get the e
 
I do the same thing
 
4:51 PM
mine is just AltGr+e...
é
 
probably depends on a bunch of obscure dconf values
also, do we think that unix.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/35429 is too small an edit to be approved? I almost rejected, but then didn't
 
nah, is my layout that has dead keys...
 
@strugee OP apparently thought so... I think I would have rejected that edit. There aren't other glaring errors in the post, so its borderline.
Though it has non-glaring errors, like awkward sentences.
 
5:09 PM
alright, I'll start being stricter
 
slm
Anything that improves the readability I typically approve.
 
@strugee actually OP overrode the edit, community rejected the edit
 
5:46 PM
Well, that iommu list seems broken... So sent it to linux-kernel. groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/fa.linux.kernel/…
 
heh, for a moment I couldn't figure out who sent that. "maybe derobert found someone named Anthony who already had his issue?"
 
hah
 
online communities are weird
 
6:07 PM
lkml.org/lkml/2014/1/15/388 ... ugh, I apparently got line wrapping nightmares from Thunderbird. Thanks, Thunderbird!
 
6:29 PM
@derobert Any replies yet? Is there no better interface available? gmane?
Hmm, is this page a bug report page? Doesn't look like an bug report page I've seen before.
 
@FaheemMitha yeah, there is gmane... thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1630092
Maybe there is a bug reporting interface, but the REPORTING-BUGS file says to send email
 
6:58 PM
@derobert Go Gmail!
@derobert Ok. I thought they used bugzilla. Maybe not
 
7:56 PM
@FaheemMitha they do. bugzilla.kernel.org
 
@strugee Thanks
 
guys, you know how GNOME 3 breaks all your favorite habits, layout, apps, etc.? they're doing it again
 
Wow, that's a lot of layers
 
> No features were harmed in the making of this new UI.
...
 
8:25 PM
@Braiam ROFLOL, well, hope they enjoyed their time as part of the GNOME Project. They'll soon no doubt be officially banned.
WTF, I see now that the iommu list has new messages... but not any of my three attempts...
 
 
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9:36 PM
@strugee <oldster> one day I copied all of my floppies to my hard disk and then burnt them all onto one CD
and it was uphill both ways, of course
a CD fits about 450 floppies (1.44MB, the common kind when they went out of fashion)
450 DVD is about 2TB
so we've reached the point where dvd/removablehd = floppy/cd
 
@slm just in case it was not clear, I like your long answers!
 
slm
I was just kidding 8-)
 
Thought so, I saw your 4-eyed smiley but just wanted to make sure is all.
 
there's a 4-eyes smiley?
 
slm
I wear glasses is why I use 8-)
that's me w/ my glasses smiling
 
9:44 PM
O_O
 
slm
that one looks like your're saying meh
 
ⵂ-)
 
slm
oooo what's that?
 
% unicode ⵂ
U+2D42 TIFINAGH LETTER TUAREG YAH
UTF-8: e2 b5 82  UTF-16BE: 2d42  Decimal: &#11586;
ⵂ
Category: Lo (Letter, Other)
Bidi: L (Left-to-Right)
 
slm
I copied my 5.25 floppies to 700MB to 1.4MB to zip drive to CD to DVDs....
I used to take the 5.25's and use a hole punch to make the double sided!
and used to use a program called FID to copy files onto Apple IIe...
my poor brother who is only 7 yrs. older used to write programs on paper tapes...he became a dr. as a result, and I was young enough to avoid the pain of that and use cassettes (audio) tapes to store programs which wasn't so bad.
@Gilles - you know so much. Never used the command unicode before!
 
9:50 PM
@slm I think that one was shock/surprise, right @Braiam?
 
yep
 
slm
you guys used that command before?
 
@Gilles how do you type these characters?
 
and I used shapecatcher.com to find a character with the right appearance
@terdon this one? copy-paste from shapecatcher.com
 
OK, I thought you'd set up some kind of strange keyboard shortcut. Shapecatcher is cool, thanks!
 
slm
9:57 PM
I don't know that much about unicode, is UTF-16BE what MS uses?
linux uses utf-8, right?
among others
and UTF-8 is designed so that the original ASCII codes are a subset within UTF-8.

$ unicode a
U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A
UTF-8: 61 UTF-16BE: 0061 Decimal: &#97;
a (A)
Uppercase: U+0041
Category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase)
Bidi: L (Left-to-Right)
61 is the original 8-bit ascii val for "a"
 
@slm Java and Windows use UTF-16. Pretty much everyone else uses UTF-8.
 
slm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-16 the BE at the end of UTF-16BE was bugging me, it means Big Endian. There's a LE variant.
 
10:17 PM
6
Q: ext3/ext4: After deleting lots of large files, free space increases with a large delay

Markus N.Yesterday, I have deleted 71 GB of files on my home/media server. Free Space before: 117 GB Free space after: 126 GB So, instead of having 71 GB of additional free space, I only had 9 GB. I have double-checked that no files were open and I really have deleted 71 GB and free space really increase...

... ummm, what? I think OP is insane. ext4 doesn't do that.
 
looks like something keeps files open
 
slm
10:30 PM
@derobert I've deleted more than that on our NAS (ext4) and it doesn't do that.
sounds like something else
 
Indeed. The only think I can think of is some form of disk-to-disk backup using hardlinks, and that's being cleaned up at night...
 
@derobert sounds like he knows what he's doing though, not clueless anyway.
 
But OP claims unmount also frees.
So I suspect OP is just insane.
I take no position on whether OP was insane before encountering this issue, but after encountering it...
 
Yes, OPIJI is always a possibility.
Perhaps this should be a close reason: "OPIJI: This question is off topic because the OP is just insane."
 
That'd go over well!
 
10:33 PM
Damn but I've wished for that sometimes. Especially with that guy who insisted on using parted magic as an OS.
In case you don't know @BrunoChagas, you need 50 reputation (combined on all of the SE sites) before you can post in chat.
 
@terdon 20
50 is for commenting
 
Oh, OK, thanks.
 
@terdon anyone can get ~110 chat reputation trivially
and upgrade to ~11k when you get 200 on any site
 
@Gilles ???Upgrade to 11k?
 
@terdon create an account on every site. You start at 1 per site. With the association bonus, you get 101 per site for free.
yes, chat privileges are broken
 
10:39 PM
Huh, OK. I thought you only get the association bonus if you have >100 on at least one site.
 
@terdon you need 200
so: you start in chat with ~110, and when you get 200 rep on one site, you now have ~11k of chat rep
 
Yeah, gotcha.
Huh, neat trick :)
Stephane edited one of my answers to change this:
printf "rm $f\n"
to this:
 
@terdon eeeek
 
printf "%s\n" "rm $f"
 
@terdon eeek
 
10:42 PM
@Gilles I take it he has a point then? :)
Why is one better than the other?
 
Yes, you could get some interesting results for $f's which contain %
 
@terdon ok, if it's only for human reporting, it's no too bad
but it'll still be confusing if you have a file name containing a newline
 
True
@derobert ah, OK so it would interpret it as well
 
@terdon Correct. And if you should dare ever carry that pattern over to C's printf, that's likely a security flaw.
 
@derobert I'm guessing that he's using something to check the space that doesn't query the data correctly
 
10:45 PM
@derobert I would have thought it would simply fail
 
@terdon C does not simply fail. That's far too nice for C.
 
There is no symbol for variables in C so how would it even be possible?
printf "The value of i is i" ?
 
@derobert this is shell, not C
shell fails more gracefully
 
@Gilles Yes, that's why I said if you carry that pattern over to C...
@terdon people writing printf(message) instead of printf("%s", message) is a rather infamous problem in C
 
Ah, OK, yeah. That would just throw a segfault I guess.
Damn but I dislike C, it's great and beautiful, but I like to stay up in the shallows with the scripting languages.
 
10:47 PM
@terdon A segfault if you're lucky...
 
@terdon no, not necessarily
 
Yeah, just weird results and no warning otherwise I imagine.
 
it might print stuff from the stack
or worse
 
eek
 
Consider %n...
   n      The number of characters written so far is stored into the inte‐
          ger indicated by the int * (or variant)  pointer  argument.   No
          argument is converted.
 
10:48 PM
bugger...
 
So, it'll grab some value off the stack (anywhere, as of course you've discarded as many as you want by using other % things), treat it as a pointer, and spew a value you have a lot of choice over there.
 
OK,how about this one: same answer, Stephan changed for f in *docx to for f in ./*docx. Why?
 
To protect against filenames starting with -
 
Ah, of course!
Keep forgetting that one.
 
printf security holes are of course nowhere near as cool as SNES controller security holes...
which, I'll mention, can apparently actually be done on an actual SNES, not just an emulator. You have to have perfect timing of course (so, realistically, you use a computer to feed the SNES controller input)
 
11:06 PM
This proposed edit adds a link but removes half the question. unix.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/35457
 
@FaheemMitha yeah, it was my answer, I rejected it.
 
What is the recommended way to handle it?
@terdon And the link?
 
Reject as radical change or with a custom reason.
 
@terdon did you edit within the first 5 minutes? the editor might have started from an earlier version
 
@terdon did you copied that from somewhere else?
 
11:07 PM
@Gilles yes I did, good point. That's probably what happened.
 
@terdon You could add a note to the editor suggesting he try again. If you want to be very nice.
 
@FaheemMitha I would have had I realized that he had not actually deleted half my answer for no good reason.
 
@terdon That sounds like a SE bug, then. The editor should be notified that the post he/she was editing has been modified...
Should as in that's how you would expect it to behave...
No idea if that's how SE normally behaves.
 
@derobert perhaps he was and did not notice. The user has a rep of 1 so he is new to the system
@derobert it is. I'm pretty sure I remember that happening to me.
 
@terdon no, there's no notification in this case
there's a notification for a tracked edit, but edits within the first 5 minutes aren't tracked at all
 
11:12 PM
Ah, yes, you're right, I'm thinking of when I'm editing a post and it changes.
Not in the review queue
 
there it's again the edit...
 
How do you check the free space? Using some kind of interface? — Braiam 28 mins ago
@Braiam ah, that's a good question!
 
Well, he tried again:
this time I approved the edit.
 
11:25 PM
@derobert actually, I have a lot more confidence in GNOME nowadays. I've been reading Planet GNOME for a while, and people are aware of the outreach/feature deprecation issues and are trying to do better
 
@strugee weren't you the one who posted a link to a long blog post with excerpts from the Gnome mailing list talking about "projecting our brand" and other such marketingspeak?
 
11:44 PM
0
Q: Ubuntu 12.04 server not accessible outside intranet

techEnthusiastI have hosted my website on a virtual machine inside an intranet and set a (sub-)domain name to it. Initially when it was set up, it was accessible from the Internet, with the subdomain name. However, it suddenly stopped being accessible from the Internet but is still accessible in intranet. Wha...

I had a car, it used to start. Today my car won't start, what could be going wrong?
 
I hate those kind of questions...
 

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