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8:00 PM
Well, it means "positive".
Stellen = to put.
Latin pono = to put.
 
I thought it felt a lot like 'stimmt!'
 
You can use it in that way as well, in fact!
 
Oh. So I was right for no good reason.
 
1. Positive (adj.). "She was positive, there wasn't any doubt detectable in her voice."
2. Certainly (adv., old fashioned). "Yes, she certainly left the plane before take-off." "Is that true? — Certainly!"
 
3. Positively (adv.). "She positively left that plane during the flight."
"Why sir, I positively cannot stand any more of your caterwauling"
 
8:08 PM
@MattЭллен That's the same as 2...
 
@Cerberus it's different words
 
I picked certainly because it seemed more natural sounding in modern English, but you are right that positively would capture the old-fashionedness of stellig better.
@MattЭллен Uhh...
 
oh! Is that what's going on? Sorry I was just adding words to a list :D
 
I don't see the difference.
Haha what.
Oh, you were just adding words to a list.
How many were you going to add?
 
@Cerberus certainly vs positively, before take off vs during the flight. see?
@Cerberus oh, just the one.
 
8:10 PM
Disappointing.
 
Jez
hey guys
 
ok. I'll one more
 
(My list was the two senses/uses of stellig in Dutch for Mitch.)
Hello, Jez.
 
Jez
you know in many workplaces nowadays, you have a kind of plastic RFID card that you need to use to get through locked doors in the building, that you often wear around your neck? what would you call that? does English have a common term for it yet?
 
4. Positively (adj.) "This end of the wire is positively charged".
 
Jez
8:11 PM
maybe i should make this into a fully fledged Question.
 
@Cerberus ah!
@Jez lanyard?
 
@Jez are you referring to the card?
it's a security card
or key card
pass card
access card
 
Jez
@MattЭллен not bad, but that's the cord itself and doesnt incorporate the passcard
we dont have a term incorporating both the lanyard and passcard then?
we should, like "neckpass" or something
 
I don't know of a term for both
why would we need that?
 
Jez
well they're becomuing quite common
 
8:13 PM
typically where you keep your keycard is completely irrellevant
 
Jez
"i left my neckpass in the other room"
hmm
maybe but it's still useful to have a word for it given that it's often on a lanyard
 
"I left my keycard/passcard/access card/card/security-card/whatever in the other room"
 
Jez
it's more descriptive than talking about only a part of the whole thing
 
But the lanyard isn't usually important in any way
 
Jez
hmm
 
8:14 PM
I used to keep my card on a retractable cord
I called the retractable-cord part "the zippy thing"
 
Jez
also, would you still call it a pass "card" if it's not actually stiff plastic; it's soft plastic with a tiny rfid chip in?
 
But I can't imagine I'd need a word that describes "zippy thing + keycard"
I might, if it's card-shaped
 
Jez
ok next question
 
Anyway I don't understand why people would hang their access card from their neck
 
Jez
how many of you do programming for a living?
 
8:16 PM
Oh I thought we were supposed to give you a question.
 
Jez
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 coz it's a convenient location?
 
I do programming
 
@MattЭллен Yeah that doesn't work in Dutch. That would be positief.
Thank you for the Italian source, Treccani is valuable. But I'm afraid your answer contains several errors, big (there is no connection with Italian testo) and small (tristis does not mean "sad, disagreeable" here). There is more. — Cerberus 56 mins ago
 
Jez
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 would/does it annoy/distract you to have the radio constantly on in the background?
 
@Jez more convenient than a pocket? It'd be in the way
 
8:17 PM
Is this too aggressive? ^
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 hanging it from their tail is just not proper.
 
Jez
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 not really... i often find myself forgetting im even wearing the lanyard
 
@Jez it might. I like listening to music while I work though.
 
Jez
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 so why might the radio distract you?
 
@Jez Sometimes you need quiet.
 
Jez
8:18 PM
like when?
 
@Jez is it my radio or someone else's?
 
@Cerberus seems fine.
 
Jez
someone else's
 
Oh then screw it it's annoying.
 
@Jez I dunno. Sometimes.
 
Jez
8:18 PM
how come?
 
Because I didn't get to choose the station.
 
Sometimes even if it's my own music it's distracting.
 
Jez
i know right? so why do some workplaces have stupid radio stations on all day long?
 
It depends on what you're doing and how your mind is working that way.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 OK thanks.
 
8:20 PM
@Jez I've never been to one what was like that, excepting, eg, retail stores.
 
@MattЭллен I think it's rude to bring your cats into this.
 
Jez
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 no office environment that was like that? i've now been to two.
they tend to be the more "laid back/trendy" programming places
 
@Mitch Then, sir, you should not have attracted them.
 
@Jez even "laid back" programmer places are typically staffed with "programmers", whose notion of "laid back" is "wearing running shoes to work"
 
Jez
actually no... make that three
 
8:21 PM
@Jez Like in a auto-repair garage it's kinda nice, like the calendars they put up on the back of the door to the bathroom.
 
Jez
two i worked in myself, the third i went for an interview with and noticed it
@Mitch what about office workplaces?
 
I put music on, for myself, and play it over speakers, but then I work from home.
 
Jez
i might do that, sometimes. but at work i would use headphones.
 
and when I didn't work from home, I'd only do that late at night, usually when I was alone.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 or "wears white after Labor day"
 
8:23 PM
I have worked in a few offices. None have had radios on. But they're not programmer focused, either
 
Or if I worked in a place with cubicles or offices, I might play music out loud but not loud enough to bother my neighbours.
 
Jez
@MattЭллен so how noisy were they, in general?
 
I am distracted by radio in offices.
 
Jez
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 no such thing, really. you might think you have it on quietly but if they're like me, their brain has a seriously hard time filtering out the radio noise
 
@Jez to be serious, that's totally rude in an office cubicle farm. if you're having a discussion, you go to a closed room so as not to disturb others. If you're playing music,play it through headphones. This isn't the 1970's when earphones didn't exist.
 
Jez
8:24 PM
@Mitch well what kind of office layout would it not be rude in?
 
@Mitch Didn't they?
 
if your own office had a door you could close, and the noise doesn't escape (you can't play it -that- loud).
 
Then how did people play the music on their phones?
 
@Jez depends on your tolerance. where I am now is annoyingly noisy. I'm sat next to customer support. they chat all day. The place before was a constant hubbub. The place before that was acceptable.
 
@Cerberus you use the keys.
 
8:25 PM
Hmm.
 
@Jez No, I mean, I'd clear it with them first, or else they literally wouldn't be able to hear it
 
That's...special music.
 
@MattЭллен developers shouldn't be next to customer support.
 
Jez
ok, what if you worked in a room where most of the employees wanted the radio on? would you speak out and complain?
 
@Mitch I know, right?
 
8:26 PM
I might go to my boss and request a quiet place to work. Then it's his move.
 
Jez
heh
 
@Mitch customer support shouldn't be next to anyone. They should all be isolated.
 
Jez
you just suggested the same thing as my mum did.
i thought it was pointless
 
Hah.
 
Yeah. I've pointed out my problem with Cutomer Support and I've been told I can work from home or work in the canteen, if that's better.
 
8:27 PM
@MattЭллен work from home. saves on commuting time
 
I don't think it's pointless. The only downside is that you bypass your colleagues: you might want to be direct with them first.
 
Jez
work in the canteen?!
how is that gonna be quieter
 
@MattЭллен Work from home sounds good!!
 
@Jez That seems weird. like not expected of developers.
 
Jez
@Cerberus the problem is that you separate yourself from your colleagues, even if the boss does agree. you become the black sheep.
 
8:28 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 yeah, I am considering it, but there are practical problems, because I need to be able to get at hardware I can't take home. Also, I don't want home to be my office. that would suck.
 
How does amazon preorder work? Order now and ship when available?
 
Jez
@Mitch you'd be surprised. i guess a bunch of devs are "relaxed" by radio music being on constantly.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 work in the canteen, nearer to life-supporting nourishment.
 
Jez
at least, in the UK
 
@Jez Yeah, so it's probably better to first to to them about it in a very friendly manner. Present it as your personal, silly handicap that you happen to be a weirdo who can't work in a noisy environment, even though you really like their music.
 
Jez
8:29 PM
i don't though
 
That doesn't matter!!
 
@JasperLoy No, they start shipping to you before you order. They know what you want so you just get it. Really ordering is just paying the bill.
 
You fake it.
 
yeah. there are a couple of companies in Oxford I would expect to allow a radio playing, maybe. I'm not sure. I know they have game nights and such
 
@Jez The purpose is not to be Truthful™, but to get what you want, which is a quiet workplace while keeping the peace with your colleagues.
 
Jez
8:30 PM
@Cerberus keeping the peace != being popular
 
I have a hard time imagining developers wanting to have one radio on for everybody.
 
@Jez What do you mean?
 
Jez
trouble is if you come in and upturn their "relaxed" environment with music playing you're bound to be resented
 
I'd imagine most devs want to listen to their own thing
 
8:31 PM
@Jez which is why it is the manager's responsibility.
 
Jez
it's a lose-lose
 
@MattЭллен how big is your home?
 
Jez
@MattЭллен yeah and they'll be told to use headphones. until they have to take them off to talk to someone else at which point they're distracted again by the radio
 
@Jez Yes, but at least it's better if you're really nice to them and present it as your personal freakiness rather than an offence committed by them.
 
Jez
so it's better for them to think you a freak
 
8:32 PM
@Jez Alternatively, you could use earplugs yourself.
 
Jez
@Cerberus i did that once. for a 2 week contract.
it shut me off really from the other developers
 
@Jez It is better for you to present yourself as such. People prefer "I will accommodate this poor person" over "this bully forced me to do things his way".
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 big enough for me. I do have a spare room, but it has a bed in it and the bed is covered in stuff, because I've nowhere else to put it
 
Jez
i didnt want to take them off, and i also had to constantly play music to shut out the noise. there are times when i just dont want any noise distracting me, even my own music
 
@Jez Is that a problem?
 
Jez
8:33 PM
@Cerberus i'd say so. i'd prefer to work in a team and collaborate (and that's expected in most places too)
 
If you buy really good earplugs, they should block almost all sound.
You can also pop them in and out as needed.
 
Jez
@Cerberus i wear headphones. i find earplugs very uncomfortable
 
Only put them in when you really need the quiet.
 
Jez
@Cerberus for me, that's nearly all the time
 
You can get used to earplugs.
 
Jez
8:34 PM
not really. i've tried to.
they're just plain uncomfortable
the ear doesnt like shit shoved into it
 
yeah. I find music or even earbud headphones distracting when I'm in need of normal silence.
 
Jez
like, if I had Radio 1 playing right now, i wouldn't be able to concentrate properly on this very discussion. im sure i'm more noise-sensitive than most
 
One other thing to consider: if you can't change the situation, knowing that you have earplugs on hand as a back-up for emergencies may help you cope with the music better. It's a psychological thing: if you know you can get relief at any time, it's easier to bear the noise, even if you don't use the relief.
 
@MattЭллен Yeah then maybe working from home is not for you. You need to be able to partition your work/home space.
 
@Jez After four months, you may get used to them.
 
Jez
8:36 PM
@Cerberus it's not an emergency though, is it?
why 4 months?
 
@Jez Maybe you should use earplugs made of something other than shit.
 
Just a random period.
 
Jez
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 haha, i was just waiting for the scat joke
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 yeah. I do want to try it, but my flat is all a mess at the moment with my various hobbies, plus all the stuff I haven't got rid of yet :D
 
Jez
@Cerberus even the wrong-shaped headphones make my ears hurt after a while. you want very soft ones that dont interfere with the ears much. i have a couple of pairs of Sony MDR-V6s, which are fantastic
 
8:38 PM
@MattЭллен Set an alarm clock at 6 pm. You have to put down all work when it goes off and log out of your work e-mail.
 
Jez
sigh, anyway. thanks for all the advice, but i dont think im gonna have the confidence to do it.
resigning is way easier
 
@Jez You could just talk to your manager and see if there's a solution that doesn't make you the bad guy.
 
@Cerberus yeah, I know the other techniques, like changing clothes and stuff, but the sights and smells are quite important, and they wouldn't change
 
Jez
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 i would if i could envisage any such solution.
 
"I'm having trouble concentrating with the constant music, but I don't want to be made into the bad guy that took away everyone's fun"
 
8:39 PM
@Jez I'm sure you can get high-quality earplugs fit to your ears that both block the sound really well and are comfortable enough after some getting used to.
 
Let your boss worry about it
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Good idea.
 
Jez
@Cerberus as i said though that means you cant collaborate with ppl
you really isolate yourself that way
 
@MattЭллен Still, it could be worth a try?
 
Heck. Maybe they can just limit the music to mornings, or afternoons.
 
Jez
8:40 PM
I might want to wear such earplugs when im really concentrating on something difficult, but not have to all the time
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 that would still piss me off and make me unable to concentrate half the day
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 One problem is trusting that your boss won't make you seem like the bad guy by whatever decision he takes.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 A compromise sounds like a good idea.
 
Jez
@Cerberus s/he/thon/
please
in this case my boss is female
 
@Cerberus If the alternative is "resign".....
 
@Jez Take them and put them in as needed. It's not perfect, but it should help.
 
@Jez If the music is only in the afternoon, and not automatic, maybe they'll forget to turn it on.
 
Jez
8:42 PM
@Cerberus but you forgot the isolation part
 
@Jez What does that matter? I didn't know she was a woman. Now that I know, I can say she.
 
Jez
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 they remember to turn it on in the morning, why would they in the 'noon?
 
or maybe the music can be on on certain days, and you can work elsewhere those days
 
Jez
@Cerberus one is talking about bosses in general though
 
@Jez Then it's he, the common pronoun.
 
8:42 PM
@Jez because it's been off all day so far and they're busy working now, not doing their "open up the office" morning routine
 
@Jez the manager has lost the likeability war.
One never mentions gender in mixed company. — Mitch 14 secs ago
 
Jez
people dont like being called it. at least they don't know what thon means.
@Cerberus or thon, the awesome gender-neutral one :-)
 
@Cerberus or they, the singular, gender-indeterminate pronoun
 
Jez
they is merely acceptable
 
Singular they! Singular they!
 
8:44 PM
@Cerberus What? I can't hear you. Can you speak up? The music in my head is too loud!
 
@Jez I bet it's way more acceptable than thon
 
Why can't you just turn up your own radio louder?
 
Jez
to whom? to ignoramuses who dont know of thon? :-)
 
The only answer to that says that other people's radios are wrong too.
 
Jez
@Mitch lol.
 
8:44 PM
anyway, I have to get going. @jez, I'd talk to my boss before resigning. What's the worst that could happen - that you have to resign eventually?
@Jez I know of thon and don't accept it.
 
Jez
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 that you are forced to give a month's notice and live with this for a whole month
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 well meh to you.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Is it a her or a him? I have to know!
 
Jez
thon may be a her or a him if talking about bosses in general
 
@Jez Either they'll turn off the radio for you, in which case things improve in one respect but maybe degrade in another, or else they do nothing, in which case nothing improves, and you either way may be forced to resign.
 
@Jez Silly.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ugly.
 
8:47 PM
resigning over sound seems a bit strong.
 
I guess only you could decide if being forced to resign because you can't stand the noise is worse than being forced to resign because turning off the radio made you so unpopular you had to quit.
 
@Mitch Is it Wagner again?
 
Jez
@Cerberus why silly? thon sounds like a perfectly natural English word to me, not surprising as it's comprised of two other English words, the and one
 
@Cerberus pfft
 
Jez
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 maybe desgrade in another? only maybe?
you think they arent going to think of you as a fussy annoyance if you stick your oar in?
 
8:48 PM
@Jez Not to me! And it is unnecessary, since we have and always have had he.
 
@Jez yeah. Maybe the other devs aren't that attached to the music, or maybe even some of the others want to speak out but are afraid.
 
Jez
well im kinda happy to use he but we have to deal with feminists, and they want to bloody well use she.
Dawkins uses she now as a "gender-neutral pronoun" generally when referring to a child. that's what the non-use of thon has gotten us.
 
@Cerberus ha ha...I didn't get the connection..wait wasn't that Ravel?
 
@Jez If you put it to them in an extremely friendly, humble way, the fall-out will be much better. Maybe start by talking to a senior colleague at lunch.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 No, 'pfft' is decidedly masculine. or is it feminine?
 
8:49 PM
@Mitch I was just thinking of heavy-handed music.
 
@Cerberus Also...free lunch.
 
@Jez The way we deal with PC people is ignore them or throw sticks at them.
 
@Cerberus which is not Ravel.
 
@Jez Anyway, if they value you as an employee they should at least consider your input. You're hardly unique in this respect. And if they don't value you, you're going to quit either way. May as well try to improve things.
 
@Cerberus Apple all the way!
 
8:50 PM
@Jez At least she is better than thon or they. It's singular and kind of funny. The problem is that it is distracting, though.
 
Jez
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 am i hardly unique? i get the impression that i am particularly sound-sensitive.
 
@Cerberus You're just sexist. It's not your fault though. You were raised sexist.
 
Jez
it may be mild autism; my brain has trouble filtering sound, and kind of processes all of it. i just need the sound not to be there to avoid distraction.
 
@Jez Just because it bothers you more doesn't mean it doesn't bother others at all
 
@Mitch Haha nooo I do not want to be associated with the rotten fruit.
 
8:51 PM
posted on March 24, 2014 by sgdi

I’m trying so hard just to sleep I’m counting up thousands of sheep But their constant noise It really annoys And all their shit’s keeping quite deep

 
@Cerberus I know. What is that girl doing here?
 
@Jez mild autism is not unusual in programmers
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 No, I have common sense and a sense of...aesthetics.
 
Jez
programmers are more and more normal these days
sadly :-)
 
@Cerberus your aesthetics are sexist.
 
8:52 PM
@Jez See, "mild autism" is the perfect excuse. That way, nobody will get mad at you.
 
Jez
@Cerberus better my ass. if i find you using she in that way i will call the language police
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Your sexism is esthetic!
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 No. Not the word magic again.
 
Jez
she immeidately makes me think of a female
 
@Jez Will they send a policewoman? Will she be hot?
 
8:52 PM
@Cerberus "Dude...I'm totally autistic...can you turn off that radio?"
 
Jez
they will send a policethon.
 
@Mitch A girl fruit?
 
@Cerberus You should read about male privilege and default-male-gaze. Then consider what a default pronoun of "he" means.
 
@Cerberus Nice! A female robot?
 
anyway. i'm out. bye folks.
 
8:54 PM
@Mitch You know what I mean. It really helps. I would be more than willing to reach a compromise where I had to sort of accommodate to an autist. In fact, I am doing that right now, by reading my autist's paper tonight.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I have read about it, and it's all paper thin and unscientific.
Bye!
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 CU
 
@Mitch Umm do they have robot police in your neighbourhood?
 
Jez
the fact is, there are 2 conflicting desires and there is no real "compromise" situation. either the radio stays, or it goes.
one side wins out.
quiet won't cut it because it's still distracting
 
No, Mr Shiny mentioned a few possible compromises.
 
Jez
i dont consider earplugs to be acceptable
or separation from the colleagues
 
8:58 PM
bring in your own radio and play noise out of it
 
Jez
that's a joke
 
16 mins ago, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Jez If the music is only in the afternoon, and not automatic, maybe they'll forget to turn it on.
16 mins ago, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
or maybe the music can be on on certain days, and you can work elsewhere those days
 
Jez
certain days? that's going to annoy both sides
one side wants their music on now, the other is inconvenienced on certain days
 
Nothing is perfect. But this compromise would improve the situation.
 
Jez
8:59 PM
would it? i'm thinking "well thursday and friday are going to be an annoyance"
that's such a stupid weight on your mind
 
Kit Fox is not here today.
 
Jez
!!where is kitfox?
 
@Jez Impossible
 
It's better than resigning without trying.
 
It's 5 am here, time for a snack, lol.
 
Jez
9:04 PM
@Cerberus you don't have social anxiety disorder
from my perspective, it is worse than resigning without trying
the potential for embarrassment is very high
not trying to problem-state, just telling it how my brain sees it
 
Your brain needs to stop thinking about it and explain everything to your boss.
 
Jez
try telling it that
 
Include the autism and, why not, the social anxiety.
 
Jez
ha
 
@Cerberus I was joking. If you were autistic, it'd probably not be easy to say something like that face to face.
 
Jez
9:10 PM
"i also have autism and social anxiety. you didnt know what you were taking on when you offered me the job, did you? bet you want to look for a replacement that's lower maintenance now!"
maybe if i just threaten to resign and dont turn up they'll call me and try to negotiate
lol
 
@Mitch Yes, sure, it's not easy. But it is still the best option, I'd say.
@Jez No, no.
Your mild autism and anxiety are quite common among computer people, I assure you; and they do not cause any problems to anyone.
And people are normally willing to compromise in order to help someone who is not good at a certain task or issue.
And the music thing is really a very minor thing to your boss, I'm sure, and also to most of your colleagues.
 
Jez
if it were so minor, why would they have gotten into the habit of playing it in the office every day?
they really seem to like it as part of the atmosphere
 
9:31 PM
It's minor. You're not a liability to your boss in any way.
In any company, there will be different people with different wishes. It's normal.
 
Jez
that doesnt answer my question though
 
People pick their noses every day, if you will forgive me for the impropriety.
And aim for a compromise, not for getting your way 100 %.
Accept that the situation will not be perfect for you, just like many things in life.
 
Jez
if it stops me doing my job optimally, i'm better off finding another job
i almost wanna cry though. it would've been a good job in so many ways.
 
Calm down.
I think you are a pessimist by nature.
 
Jez
surely
ive had a childhood to teach me that
 
9:45 PM
I expect this situation to become manageable soon.
I would advise you to talk to a senior colleague about this, if you can muster the strength. In person.
 
Jez
be very manageable if im not there
 
Maybe at lunch, in an informal setting.
 
Jez
they tend to eat at their desks or go out
 
Maybe this person can stick up for you and talk to the others.
Follow them when they go out?
 
Jez
lol accost them
 
9:46 PM
Approach this person at her desk?
 
Jez
our desks are all next to each other, it'll be a public discussion
 
Yes, ask them, "are you going to get sandwiches?" and go with them.
You could ask a colleague whom you like/trust whether you can speak to her for a moment.
 
Jez
who the fuck is HER?
what did i say?
 
Your colleague hehe.
I was using the sexless "she".
 
Jez
as it happens they're all men
there is no sexless she
 
9:48 PM
And your boss is a she?
 
Jez
yeah
 
Very interesting.
 
Jez
not particularly
 
You think you could muster the strength to have a group discussion with your colleagues?
 
Jez
sexism does exist in the UK, but it's massively exaggerated by politically correct people and femenists. i didn't bat an eyelid at a woman in a management position
nope
 
9:50 PM
@Jez Oh course. It's an American thing, I think.
A people of extremes.
But anyway, if you can't manage a talk with your colleagues, go to your boss.
 
I just got 5 big fat books from the Knickerbocker Classics Series, yay!
 
Jez
no, we have plenty over here who are willing to get hysterical at their perceived injustices
 
Congrats!
@Jez It's imported. We, too, are suffering from this Atlantic pressure, partly exported through pop culture.
 
Jez
@Cerberus i wish you could have my brain just for 5 minutes. you'd realize the strength of instinct not to do that is just off the scale.
 
One of them contains the 7 novels by Jane Austen.
 
Jez
9:51 PM
i dont think you can appreciate it
 
I know it as an abstract fact.
But you still have to do it.
Pop a tranquilliser.
 
Jez
i'd need to be off my head on benzos
lol
 
Then do that.
 
Jez
preferably with some weed mixed in
 
@Jez My OCD is pretty bad too.
 
Jez
9:52 PM
and alcohol
 
Eat a fistful.
No, no.
That's unhealthy.
Just the tranquillisers.
 
I don't know what SAD is like, of course.
 
Jez
@Cerberus well, that actually is a reasonable solution for me, heh
of course, a few days later when my normal SAD returns i'll feel mortified for having done it
 
@Jez OK that was a joke!
 
Jez
nope, it probably stands the best chance of getting me to do it
 
9:53 PM
Don't take more than the maximum allowed dose.
 
But my OCD is enough to make me not want to live many times.
 
Ask your doctor how much is still safe.
 
Jez
@JasperLoy if you didnt have OCD you'd only want to not live one time ;-)
 
What happens a few days later is immaterial.
 
Jez
how come?
 
9:54 PM
If you have OCD, I'd expect you to want to live either 3 lives or 9.
@Jez Because then you can just passively endure it.
Action is the problem.
 
10:46 PM
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