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12:00 AM
> Russia’s takeover of the Crimea region was not “malicious intent”, said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov but was to “protect the Russians who have been living there for hundreds of years”.
> Mexico’s takeover of Florida, Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona, and Alta California was not “malicious intent”, said Mexican Foreign Minster José Antonio Meade Kuribreña, but was to ”protect the Mexicans who have been living there for hundreds of years”.
I’ll avoid Godwinning by not mentioning the Sudetenland.
After all, we can’t let God win, can we now?
 
I’m guessing Maine will be the next piece to be calved off. After all, there’ve been English speakers there for hundreds of years.
And then there’s the French Basque Country: see yaz!
And just wait till Italy gets it hands on the Vatican, or France on Monaco. Wee hoo, are we having fun yet?
 
12:19 AM
@tchrist What if Texas actually voted for joining Mexico?
I'm not saying that this is necessarily what happened.
 
The US Constitution forbids that.
 
Irrelevant.
This is about your opinion.
 
Nothing could possibly be more relevant.
I suggest we start by nuking Crawford.
 
You could change your constitution, then.
 
Good luck with that.
 
12:21 AM
I don't want to know "what are the realistic legal possibilities?".
I want to know "how do you feel about the right for a region to separate and join another country?".
 
Anyway, the Budapest Memorandum that Russia signed remains in force, and Russia is become a criminal state. It should be treated just as we treat any other criminal.
 
It always was.
 
sighs
 
What Russia does or doesn't do isn't even relevant to my question.
 
All of Ukraine has to vote to let a piece of it go.
 
12:23 AM
But you don't want to answer. That's fine.
 
Not just the secessionists.
 
Why not?
 
Because that’s what being part of a country means.
 
Vague.
 
Otherwise, they are an illegal rebellion.
To change the borders of a country, you put that measure to a country-wide vote.
If I wish my property to secede from the United States, I don’t get to vote for that and say I won.
It simply doesn’t work that way.
See Lincoln.
 
12:27 AM
I'm not talking about your property, but about a fairly autonomous region.
And, again, "illegal" isn't relevant to my question.
 
No difference.
I am autonomous.
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How about Bosnia, then?
 
The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (Tratado de Guadalupe Hidalgo in Spanish), officially declares Treaty of Peace, Friendship, Limits and Settlement between the United States of America and the Mexican Republic, is the peace treaty signed in 1848 in Guadalupe Hidalgo between the U.S. and Mexico that ended the Mexican–American War (1846–48). With the defeat of its army and the fall of the capital, Mexico entered into negotiations to end the war. The treaty called for the United States to pay $15 million to Mexico and pay off the claims of American citizens against Mexico up to $3.25 million....
 
Should Bosnia have been allowed to secede from Yugoslavia?
 
What Yugoslavia?
Did Hong Kong vote to secede from the United Kingdom?
 
12:29 AM
Do you want to have a serious discussion or not?
You don't have to.
But this is pointless.
 
Your support for Putin is indefensible.
 
That is preposterous.
I would never support Putin in any way.
 
Jez
someone should make a computer game about this
 
But I see you do not want to have a serious discussion. So then never mind.
 
Indeed it is.
 
Jez
12:31 AM
Soviet Universalis maybe
:-)
make Crimea a vassal state
annex Crimea
 
Putin is hardly Soviet...
It's the Crimea...
 
The once-and-future USSR will not be appeased.
 
Jez
well, the usage of the article is debatable
 
snorts
 
Jez
I don't call it "the Normandy" or "the Galicia"
 
12:32 AM
The Czar will not be satisfied until all places where they speak Russian are His again.
 
But you do call it the Crimea.
 
Jez
not I
 
Just like the Caucasus...
The Sahara.
 
Jez
if i'm gonna switch to Ukraine, I might as well switch to Crimea
 
Which one, the Spanish Sahara?
 
12:33 AM
Ukraine has been for a while now.
 
Jez
"The Sahara" elides "desert"
it's really "the ... desert"
 
The Caucasus, then.
 
Spanish Sahara ( or ; Al-Sahrā'a Al-Isbānīyah) was the name used for the modern territory of Western Sahara when it was occupied and ruled as a territory by Spain between 1884 and 1975. The territory was both one of the most recent and the last parts of the Spanish Empire, which at one time had extended to the Americas and the Philippines and East Asia. Spain gave it up following Moroccan demands and international pressure, mainly from United Nations resolutions regarding decolonisation. There was internal pressure from the native Sahrawi population and the claims of Morocco. Mauri...
 
Jez
dont even know where that is
 
The Peloponnesus.
 
12:33 AM
It’s disputed.
 
Many geographical areas are preceded by the definite article internationally.
Sometimes, it disappears with time.
 
Russia needs a colectomy.
These Russian colonies must be excised.
Sarah Palin should be nervous by now.
 
Jez
i think Russia hits a brick wall with NATO countries. Sort of wondering why NATO didn't rush to join up as many former USSR states as possible
then Russia's attack on Ukraine would be met with full-on Euro-American resistance
 
@Jez Yes, it does.
NATO did not want to anger the Russia bear, so they stopped at some point.
They did not want a border with Russia.
 
Comparing Crimea with Kosovo is somewhere between dissembling and dishonest.
 
12:38 AM
Although I believe Estonia is in NATO?
 
Jez
so many former USSR states could be seen as vassals, that will be re-annexed in time
 
@tchrist I am ignoring your aggressive remarks until you want to have a serious discussion. They're totally missing the mark btw.
 
Jez
it all makes sense from the POV of EU3. The allies demanded that the USSR release a bunch of states as part of their suing for peace
 
Haha.
 
Jez
but those states were so friendly to Russia that they willingly became vassals and get annexed
 
12:39 AM
The Bear is always hungry.
I vote for returning Ukraine’s nukes.
That’ll stop ’em.
Nothing else will.
Period.
 
@Jez Well, I don't believe it was NATO who directly demanded any such thing. I rather believe Russia just didn't have the resources to control the unruly vassals, and it did have a somewhat enlightened Czar, so he simply did not fight the rebellion in some states and actually released others.
 
Since Russian violated the Budapest Memorandum that took away Ukraine’s nukes, it is only logical that they be returned post-haste.
That’ll shut down the Czar right quick like.
And I have heard no better option on the table.
 
The current plan is to simply ignore it.
 
Jez
ahh that good ole alcohol's going to me head. feels numbish.
 
Drank too much?
 
Jez
12:42 AM
nope, the right amount
 
OK.
 
Either that, or trick him into going to the senate without a knife.
 
That will improve the situation, sure.
 
Jez
the amount where you have a heightened appreciation of music for some reason
so u play your music vids
 
A Russian civil war, just what we needed.
 
12:43 AM
Sic semper tyrannis and all that.
 
Good.
 
Jez
u know?
 
@Cerberus Seen that one before.
 
At least Putin isn't causing as much war, death, and terrorism on the Crimea as he did in the Caucasus. I shall not mention what the Europeans and the Americans have done in the Near East this century and the last.
 
Never works out well.
Let’s make a list.
 
Jez
12:45 AM
@Cerberus or Chechnya. but he's still to blame for that shit, the asshole.
 
@Jez Yes.
 
Chechnya is in the Caucasus.
 
Jez
oh rite.
 
We massacres a number of Indonesian villages in the forties.
Britain ended democracy in Persia.
And brought about the rise of fundamentalist Islam in one of the most progressive parts of the Orient.
It's all a bit of a mess.
 
tries to recall which just states America annexed this century or the last, counting the stars on the American flag and finding none in surfeit
 
12:48 AM
Then again, it always has been, and the current mess is not as bad it it used to be.
 
Jez
@Cerberus i think the phrase is "the world is totally fucked up mostly thanks to humans"
really needs no more summary than that
 
@tchrist You condone what has been done in Afghanistan, Iraq, South America, Vietnam, etc. etc.?
 
counts stars
 
@Jez Yes. But less so than in the past.
 
Jez
really?
 
12:50 AM
We haven't had a major war since WW2.
 
American has never made a land grab from another country since it stole Mexico and Hawaii.
Russia has.
 
@Jez We have been the aggressors in some wars, and some of those were pretty deadly; but we ourselves, the West, has been more or less immune.
 
Oo this looks fun, might need popcorn.
 
If you can’t see the difference, there’s no reasoning with you.
 
As I said, I'm not having a discussion with you in this way.
 
12:52 AM
Lack of reason.
 
Hey Brad.
 
Hiya!
 
We're trying not to talk politics.
 
Lie.
 
But then Jez was drunk, and who doesn't like Jez?
So we didn't stop.
 
12:52 AM
Pends how you spell it.
 
Jez
@Cerberus my brain likes that sentence for some reason
 
Jessie’s all jazzed up with jizz.
 
@Jez Good!
Now I wonder what our purple friend here has been drinking...
I'm all sober.
 
1:11 AM
gleefully imagines the Czar singing Yakko’s “Nations of the World” — but this time to the plodding 5/4 time of Mussorgsky’s “Great Gate of Kiev”, of course.
> “We're one nation. Kiev is the mother of all Russian cities.” –Vladimir Putin, 2014-03-17
“. . . one nation, under Czar, with liberty and justice for none.”
 
Jez
btw jez is still a bit drunk but washing things down with a curry
ahhh, temporary respite from shitty life problem
 
The curry is apt to cause shitty problems come the morrow, if not before.
 
Jez
nah, it's supermarket stuff. it couldn't be hot if it tried
 
Hardly worth the bother then.
 
Jez
still tastes nice
 
@n11 Soo...how bad is that?
I don't think anyone is surprised that tobacco smoke is harmful...
 
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Q: An English language learner better not ask in this site?

ivanhoescottAn English language learner better not ask in this site? I asked this question and it had been closed as off-topic(it was reopened). Some members seem to have an opinion that a learner better not ask here(see the comments of the above mentioned thread). I would like to know your opinions.

I'm not sure what's up with this guy, whether he's being difficult or just has a hard time understanding what people are trying to tell him about his question.
 
n11
@Cerberus I thought it was like the rest of air pollution, like traffic, but it tends to be much more destructive
 
But he has been (perhaps unintentionally) trolling FumbleFingers, and he was doing it to me the other day before mods deleted the whole comment thread.
 
n11
> An English language learner better not ask in this site?
hehe
 
1:39 AM
@n11 But it all depends on the concentration and the duration.
 
Dude asked a question, it got closed very quickly as GR, then he started bugging anyone who would listen to explain to him why his question was put on hold. Then it got very quickly re-opened (with no substantial change to the question), and he is still bugging anyone who will listen as to whether he's allowed to post here.
FF and I both explained to him what's up, and pointed him at resources, and he keeps just saying essentially, “OK, I'll check that out later, but explain to me why???”
 
Ugh.
Why won't he go to ELL, then?
 
He objected because it's a “beta” site.
I think the dude is just struggling to understand, but it's nearly indistinguishable from trolling.
 
n11
2:09 AM
!!wiki Ibid
 
@n11 No definition found.
@n11 No definition found.
Ibid. (Latin, short for ibidem, meaning "in the same place") is the term used to provide an endnote or footnote citation or reference for a source that was cited in the preceding endnote or footnote. This is similar in meaning to idem (meaning something that has been mentioned previously; the same), abbreviated Id., which is commonly used in legal citation. To find the ibid. source, one must look at the reference preceding it. Ibid. may also be used in the Harvard (name-date) system for in-text references where there has been a close previous citation from the same source material. The...
 
2:21 AM
@BraddSzonye Hmm that's his problem, then, not ours.
> 29.298
 
Jez
that's why you called it english language learners, isn't it? juuust so you could say, "why won't he go to ELL?"
 
Ha! Took me a moment to get the joke, Jez.
 
@Jez Hmm why wasn't it called "Help for English Language Learners? "We don't want your question here, go to HELL."
 
2:40 AM
@BraddSzonye He was reasonably upset at not having his reasonable question closed. He is however pursuing things a little tooo much but it is being exacerbated by the responses.
 
Jez
heh
ok what word is on the tip of my tongue?
it's like "convenient" or "conveniable" or something
it means "appropriate for the task"
 
@Mitch Yeah. I'm trying to be patient about it, but it's infuriating when I get a mailbox flag every time I refresh the page, and every time it's the same guy asking the same questions.
 
@tchrist Phillipines?
 
Jez
as it "it was not conv..... to/for the task"
 
There's just no sign that he is actually understanding any of what is going on.
 
2:43 AM
The second meta question was unnecessary...or at least outside of our current culture.
Note that he is not a native speaker and so he probably doesn't get a lot of things quickly in English.
 
Agreed. And I don't think the guy understands that it's not a big deal if it is marked a duplicate of the earlier one.
I just can't figure out how to get across, “It's not a big deal, just please don't keep doing things this way.”
Actually, I can't figure out how to get anything across, because dude is so freakin' Socratic about his conversation style.
It's like you try to explain or clarify things, and he just repeats the same leading questions. He might not even realize they're leading questions.
 
Right. communicating by comment thread is not particularly informative.
 
Jez
come on, cant anybody think of it?
is there a word like "convenable"?
im sure ive heard it
 
Is it germane to the task? Is it relevant to the task?
 
Jez
not quite
more like "fitting" or "appropriate"
 
2:48 AM
Hm. Congruent?
It appears that he did eventually try out ELL.
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Q: "This box of matches is empty"

Makoto KatoThere are several Japanese books teaching Japanese students how to write in English. On the other hand, there is a Japanese book called "Correcting errors of books on how to write in English". This is my translation. The original title is written in Japanese of course. The author of this book sai...

Asked the identical question there.
 
Jez
i think i'll use expedient
 
@Mitch Also, I'm not sure whether dude's source even actually said that “box of matches” was ungrammatical.
I think that's the OP paraphrasing, while not knowing what grammatical means in technical contexts.
Oh, actually it's the OP translating what the original author wrote in Japanese.
 
@Jez Not amenable?
 
Yeah, amenable occurred to me too.
 
Fitting?
Suitable?
Pertinent?
English is not that hard.
4
 
3:02 AM
Heh @ the starboard:
* English is not that hard. - 6m ago by Cerberus
* No, it's gibberish to those possessing tails or witnesses. - 7h ago by Cerberus
@Jez Apropos?
 
Oops.
Apparently I'm not that consistent after all.
 
That's OK, it's tough to think straight when you never get any sleep.
 
75692.
 
Nice!
Are we playing 4096 now?
 
@RegDwigнt Hysterical!
@BraddSzonye I'm not, not really. You?
@BraddSzonye Hey, I got 6 hours last night and the night before.
 
3:32 AM
@Mitch The OP confirmed in his ELL post that the original author didn't actually say the sentence was ungrammatical, or even that it was incorrect. So he was peeving against something that wasn't even said.
 
n11
 
Hmm.
So one is best awoken after 1 or 2 or 4 or 5.5 or 6 hours of sleep?
 
n11
health.harvard.edu/newsweek/… I'm not going to pay for the article :)) but sleep as you need
 
I have heard different stories about this.
 
n11
sometimes I feel like it's better to wake up naturally (around 7 hours or 3.5) than using an alarm clock
 
3:36 AM
After 3.5 hours, you will be rather tied all day...
 
n11
:), and no alarm clock, that's for when you don't have strict work hours
 
3:54 AM
OK, I'm starting to wonder whether matchbox dude really is trolling.
 

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