English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

JSBangs spends a large chunk of his life on trying to prove that he doesn't spend a large chunk of his life informing people about his starring behaviour.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto I'm going to borrow some of those too, for my future jinxes.

Robusto

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Help yourself. There's plenty to go around. And one of the dullest coke parties you will ever attend.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

So generous today. What happened, Palin got elected?

user19161

Why are there two foxes now?

Robusto

1:52 PM

Palin who? Michael?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Because ONE FOX GOOD, TWO FOXEN BETTER.

Michael.

Matt Эллен

Because you can never have too many foxes

Robusto

Jinx.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

See that pile over there?

Robusto

I said MrShinyandNew could help himself. Not you.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

1:53 PM

Um. Not me. You.

You get the coke.

Robusto

No. You can't help yourself.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Feb 17 '11 at 21:19, by Robusto

"The rules of Jinx are clear and inflexible." — Pam Beesley, The Office

user19161

I will not partake of coke. I prefer pepsi.

KitFox

@RegDwightѬſ道 Much like the ruler in my desk drawer.

Robusto

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Q: Help required with comparing features of spoken English with Standard English

Can you help me answer this statement: Explain what people say when they hear words like 'ain't' and 'gonna' and 'me time' and...

meaning

NARQ.

Matt Эллен

1:54 PM

@KitFox is that where you keep ~~Putin~~ Some ruler or other?

KitFox

@MattЭллен shh

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Why does it get an answer?

Starting with "I assume" to boot?

user19161

I thought Putin has a fox but it is the fox who has Putin.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Followed by a wrong assumption, no less?

Robusto

You're such a perfectionist.

KitFox

1:56 PM

They are both low rep.

Robusto

We can gang up on them with our mighty reps and bludgeon them into insensibility.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

They will be even lower rep once I'm done with them.

user19161

@RegDwightѬſ道 Also I don't think that first sentence is grammatical.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

But first things first. Putin.

user19161

I am thinking if the second fox is the first fox's duplicate account.

Matt Эллен

1:58 PM

I can only see one fox

you must be experiencing a glitch in the matrix

user19161

@MattЭллен Is not there one at the far right?

Matt Эллен

aye, only one

user19161

It is the one in socks.

Robusto

@RegDwightѬſ道 Truly, he is a man of the ~~people~~ dogs.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

American foxes are always at the far right.

KitFox

1:59 PM

That could explain the difficulty I had logging in earlier.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwightѬſ道 Aw, nobody who hugs a dog could be a terrible leader!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@KitFox Yeah, only leftist foxen allowed in this chat.

KitFox

Even Hitler loved his dogs!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Hitler doesn't love anyone. He's dead.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox stack exchange sites were down for a short while earlier

RegDwight Ѭſ道

1:59 PM

Awww sneaky edit.

shakes fist

Matt Эллен

chat was still working , though

KitFox

giggles

points

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I'll wait another two minutes and edit it right back.

user19161

@MattЭллен But usually you log in to a site first, so if the sites are down you have to be in chat already to use it.

KitFox

shakes ~~fist~~ fluffy bunny

user19161

2:00 PM

@RegDwightѬſ道 But there will be pencil marks.

Matt Эллен

@WillHunting yarp, but you can still watch people talking like some kind of mute

user19161

But pencil marks are overrated.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Italian Village makes it illegal to die

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@WillHunting There already is DUH.

"Edit it right back". Learn to read or something.

user19161

@RegDwightѬſ道 They should have a new feature of multiple pencils.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

2:02 PM

Post that request on Multipen.SE.

Matt Эллен

@MrShinyandNew安宇 >Unfortunately, two elderly citizens disobeyed

classic

user19161

I think I used HB and 2B pencils before.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I'm not reposting that HB video again.

Robusto

It's illegal to die in Italy? I guess that's why they exported The Olive Garden to the U.S.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

It's illegal to die poor.

Matt Эллен

2:04 PM

it should be illegal to let someone die alone - great revenue scheme for the criminal justice service

user19161

I just tried to star and unstar to see what happens.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Stuff.

Robusto

This is a very delicate star system. If you mess with it, it may implode.

user19161

So now I know that those you star appear as yellow.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Don't death star me, bro.

@WillHunting Welcome to SE chat!

It only took you OVER 9000 years to figure that out?

You could have asked or something.

user19161

2:06 PM

@RegDwightѬſ道 We learn something new about SE every day!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I don't.

Robusto

Yeah, sometimes you learn something old.

you will

No, I am not Will.

You say that now

2:07 PM

I say that always.

Even on Tuesdays.

user19161

I am wondering why gmail takes so long to load sometimes.

Matt Эллен

It's a coincidence!

Robusto

If you say that always, then it has to be the only thing you ever say. QED.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@WillHunting for the same reason dogs lick their balls.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

"that always" "that always" "that always" "that always" "that always"

Matt Эллен

2:08 PM

the salty flavour?

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user19161

@Robusto Assuming you say only one thing at a time of course.

Robusto

@WillHunting Spying on your emails is hard work. Give them a break.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@MattЭллен I dunno, unlike you I never tried.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwightѬſ道 it was a question! I make no admission of dog ball licking

Gigili

Ello @Matt, why you said "the opposite" if they both mean "details are important"?

KitFox

2:10 PM

@RegDwightѬſ道 You never tried to lick @Matt's balls?

Matt Эллен

wow, I apparently didn't know how to spell admission

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@MattЭллен Oh. In that case you shall be informed that the answer is "because they can".

Robusto

You misspelled emission.

@RegDwightѬſ道 I never understood that meme. I suspect that ball-licking is overrated, but I refuse to undertake any experiments to prove it one way or the other.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

If only @Cerb were here, he could provide a definitive answer.

Matt Эллен

@Gigili well, the approach the second saying takes is to say "you paying attention to details is good" the first says "it is bad to ignore details". That's what I meant by opposites :)

KitFox

2:12 PM

Why @Cerb?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox cuz he's a dog?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Facepalm.

JSBᾶngs

you people. i look away for ten minutes, and when i come back we're having a discussion about Matt's balls

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

And unlike most other dogs on the internet, we all know it?

KitFox

But he's a three-headed hellhound.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

2:13 PM

KitFox

That's got to screw up the data.

@RegDwightѬſ道 Oh, so cute!

JSBᾶngs

@RegDwightѬſ道 is that a bat fetus?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox Just means he can run the experiment three times as fast

JSBᾶngs

because it's adorable

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@JSBᾶngs aye

Gigili

2:13 PM

@MattЭллен Got it, thank you.

KitFox

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Hmm. I'm not sure. The angle of entry, etc. Inconsistency.

Matt Эллен

@Gigili no trouble :)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

That is so funny. Even in the womb bats try to block out the light!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@JSBᾶngs next time look away for nine minutes instead.

KitFox

Wahoo! Made it work!

Matt Эллен

2:15 PM

yeah!

JSBᾶngs

@Kit congrats! what is it?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

It's a bat!

KitFox

A page redirect by linkbutton through a custom template that picks up a session variable.

Sort of like a bat, yes.

JSBᾶngs

that sounds just like a bat

Inform the OED.

2:16 PM

awwwwww

^ little baby bat sleeping on a finger ( from secure.flickr.com/photos/peetvs/sets/72157605136734233/with/…)

KitFox

Most of our little brown bats are dying from that nose fungus. It looks like it will wipe out the entire population.

I am very sad about that.

Matt Эллен

:(

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Thank you for the caption. I almost mistook it for an SQL template picking up a session variable.

JSBᾶngs

2:17 PM

@KitFox i want to add that to my collection of "statistically improbable sentences"

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwightѬſ道 I always mix those two things up, myself.

KitFox

@RegDwightѬſ道 Not SQL template. Custom Asp.Net control template.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

That's because them's both adorable!

@KitFox you don't get to tell me what I mistake stuff as.

KitFox

@JSBᾶngs Because of the nose fungus?

@RegDwightѬſ道 Sorry, dude. My bad.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

NP

JSBᾶngs

2:19 PM

@KitFox the nose fungus, and the bats.

> As soon as I buy the moose head, I have to go pick up some KY jelly

src: tenser.typepad.com/tenser_said_the_tensor/2008/05/…

KitFox

"If it weren't for that horse, I wouldn't have had that first year in college"?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Apr 14 '11 at 15:30, by RegDwight

Well, yesterday my minute was 37 minutes long.

KitFox

@JSBᾶngs Ah. I see.

scientificamerican.com/…

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Scientific Unamerican.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Yeah, seriously, how long before "Scientific American" is the punchline to "want to hear an oxymoron?"

RegDwight Ѭſ道

2:26 PM

Seven years.

Maybe eight.

KitFox

sighs Fine. Do you want me to Google a different article for you?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

but @Kit: bat fungus. sucks. Bats are the most awesome of mammals.

Robusto

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No KY required. Moosehead provides its own lubrication.

Mahnax

Hello.

Matt Эллен

2:58 PM

You can't keep chickens in space because they swallow using gravity. So how do you get chickens to Mars?

Robusto

@MattЭллен No chickens on Mars. No Chechens on Mars either. They swallow using gravity too.

Matt Эллен

This spells doom for the human race, for sure

RegDwight Ѭſ道

As long as it doesn't spell Daikatana...

KitFox

You just need to spin them constantly. Duh.

Robusto

Yep. Centrifuge. Look into it.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

3:06 PM

Of course a fox would say that.

KitFox

I have no idea what you mean.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Of course a fox would say that.

Matt Эллен

Right. We need to start on the giant space Frisbee project, for the transportation of chickens to Mars.

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KitFox

I only I could figure out the inheritance for this control so easily.

Matt Эллен

Inheritance of the control?

KitFox

3:11 PM

control class, I should have said.

Matt Эллен

You should look the control up on MSDN, it'll show you the inheritance there

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwightѬſ道 I actually bought this game.

KitFox

No, I mean, it needs to inherit the UserControl class, but I would like it to also inherit a custom control class, and also the listview control class.

Matt Эллен

oh

KitFox

At least, I think it has to inherit the UserControl class.

Robusto

3:12 PM

Actually, my colleague who owns chickens says they don't need gravity to swallow. They can eat with their heads down.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox well, if the custom control already inherits UserControl, you're set with that

@Robusto oh! That's good news :)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto Is your colleague a fox? They're not known for trustworthy chicken-related reporting.

KitFox

@MattЭллен Right, I have the user control base "extension." It's just the listview part I can't figure.

Robusto

@MrShinyandNew安宇 My colleague is so far from being a fox you would not believe it.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@MrShinyandNew安宇 when you happen to have a couple free minutes, you should read the awesome behind-the-scenes story from Gamespot.

Matt Эллен

3:14 PM

cancels giant space Frisbee project

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I really miss Behind the Games, it was an awesome series.

Robusto

Also, cats are experts in fluid dynamics. physorg.com/news/… So they will need the centrifuge. Put that Frisbee project back online.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox does your new control need to be a list view, or have a list view? Does it need to be your custom control, or have one? Inherit from one, then make the other a member

aedia λ

@MattЭллен Nooooooooo!

Robusto

@aediaλ Relax. Cats will need it, even if chickens don't.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:20 PM

@RegDwightѬſ道 Yeah, I've read that before. Still interesting to re-read though.

And let me tell you: I really like FPS games. But Daikatana was literally ANNOYING to play. You start out in a swamp and you have to punch robotic bugs. Sooo annoying.

Matt Эллен

@Robusto ah, but will we want cats on Mars?

Robusto

@MattЭллен Who will take care of the mice?

Matt Эллен

related: NASA brain teaser

Uncancels giant space Frisbee despite cat allergy

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MattЭллен in space, nobody can hear you sneeze.

Matt Эллен

@MrShinyandNew安宇 but the snot is not slowed by air resistance, so watch out!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:26 PM

@MattЭллен It will be slowed by your spacesuit's faceplate, or else you've got more serious problems

JSBᾶngs

@MrShinyandNew安宇 problems more serious than snot on my faceplate? i don't think so.

do you have any idea how hard those things are to clean?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JSBᾶngs I just put mine in the dishwasher

KitFox

OK, then. How am I going to stripe this table if I can't grab a DisplayIndex?

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Spots and streaking. Ick. Try lint-free wipes with alcohol-based cleaner.

aedia λ

@KitFox Breed it with a tabby?

KitFox

sketches diagram

Matt Эллен

3:31 PM

@KitFox is the table the listview?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox Nah, you just need more Jet-Dry rinse agent.

JSBᾶngs

i think there's a StripeyStripe property you can enable somewhere

KitFox

@MattЭллен Uh, yeah, that's what I meant. Except it's not actually the listview. It's the item template.

Robusto

Abraxo Cleaner works wonders.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox Use JQuery and do it client-side

KitFox

3:33 PM

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Hmm. That's an idea.

Can I do that so I don't have to do it on every page?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox maybe? If you make your control emit the javascript.....

KitFox

scratches head You mean like with the RegisterScript method?

JSBᾶngs

@KitFox or you give them all a common class and have the jquery striping apply to all tables of that class

KitFox

@JSBᾶngs Right, right, right. That makes sense. If I knew how to use jQuery.

debates

Matt Эллен

@KitFox stackoverflow.com/questions/756310/…

huh, no boxout for me :(

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Q: Striped table rows in ASP.NET MVC (without using jQuery or equivalent)

When using an ASP.NET WebForms ListView control to display data in an HTML table I use the following technique in to "stripe" the table rows: <ItemTemplate> <tr class="<%# Container.DisplayIndex % 2 == 0 ? "" : "alternate" %>">  ...

jquery asp.net-mvc table

KitFox

3:36 PM

@MattЭллен I was just reading that.

Matt Эллен

:D

KitFox

I don't understand the solution yet, though.

And there is something to be said for learning how to use jQuery.

Matt Эллен

There is at that

KitFox

Except that I'm not sure if I should try to learn it right now.

Matt Эллен

Have you seen this one?

somacon.com/p543.php

KitFox

3:38 PM

Yes, that's what I usually use.

Matt Эллен

I see

KitFox

But the item template isn't a listview, so there is no DisplayIndex property.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox It initializes a counter, then on each loop i++ increments it.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox AlternatingItemTemplate

KitFox

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Right, I see, but I am having trouble understanding how to fit it in.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:39 PM

<%= i++ % 2 == 0 ? "alternate" : "" %> means "if i mod 2 is zero then print "alternate" else print "" and increment i after all that."

KitFox

@MattЭллен But then I have to maintain two templates when I only want to change the style.

Matt Эллен

true

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

and that "alternate" is printed into an html class attribute, which would presumably get a different style in your stylesheet

KitFox

@MrShinyandNew安宇 And that's C# or javascript?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

c# I suppose.

are your pages in vb?

KitFox

3:41 PM

That's what I was thinking. So I'd have to translate it, which I can do, but it will take me some thinking.

Also, I was wondering if I could just make the DisplayIndex property.

But I'm not sure how I would implement it.

thinks some more

I suppose I could iterate through the items in OnLoad.

Maybe.

Or I could implement IDataItemContainer sighs

Matt Эллен

Sounds like a good idea :)

KitFox

Except I don't know how to do this stuff. I have a sneaking suspicion it will be good for me.

Matt Эллен

Visual studio should have a button for all the boiler plate code required to implement the interface

KitFox

That's how I figured the first part out.

But I haven't done interfaces since Java, eight million years ago.

Matt Эллен

3:57 PM

they're like contracts. if you say your class implements interface IInterface, then that means the compiler can use instances of you class where ever it expects an instance of IInterface.

so you need to implement all the members of an interface, which is a case of filling in the code in a sensible fashion

welcome back @Mahnax

KitFox

It's the sensible part that trips me up.

me too

Oh Frigga.

Hello Matt.

I just wrote it into the wrong class. Hahaha