languages is hopefully going to fail

i'm not even sure what it's for

@Kitḫ i have no idea what the context is here, so i'm just going to interpret "box" saliciously

@JSBᾶngs Please do.

@JSBᾶngs It's for translating stuff.

You know what's funny? I know them in context, but I always mix up salacious and salubrious in practice.

hehe. "lubrious"

@Kitḫ Why isn't it called "translation"?

Why are you asking me?

Salubrious is related to salute; salacious is related to French sale.

@Kitḫ you need to practice being salacious?

@z7sgѪ Yes.

ah i thought you were a natural

Perfection requires practice, no matter how much talent you have.

How can there be "too many sex questions". By definition, all .se sites have too few sex questions.

@JasperLoy renamed to skeptics.se?

yeah, "sexual response" seems like a really awkward title there

why not just "Sexuality"?

*Sinsuality

"Humpy bumpy good times"

"Currently in commitment." ROFL

@Kitḫ LOL

Next they're going to start beta-testing sex.

You'd think there'd be lots of volunteers

It has nothing to do with desperation.

Well, not your desperation anyway.

Maybe she's the desperate one.

gah, jinx

did you ask her how much?

maybe she doesn't charge a lot

Couldn't be more than $5 or so anyway.

so was this a massage or a "massage"?

Not for streetwalkers.

I've learned from observation of actual people that just about any price point is valid depending on the location and service-provider

50 bucks for an alleyway upright is way too much.

Still. Seems pricey to me.

I wouldn't place a value judgment on that.

Or rather, I find nothing shameful nor prideful about engaging the services of a professional.

if nothing else, it's extremely problematic that a large portion of those "professionals" are de facto slaves

aside from my general moral objections

shrugs You could make the same claim about many low-paying professions.

@Kitḫ there's a huge difference of degree here

@JSBᾶngs Really? How so?

@Kitḫ the sex trade is much, much more implicated in abuse, imprisonment, etc. than most other industries

I am skeptical. Is it really worse than child slavery? Sweatshops? Migrant work? Drug trade?

[child slavery, drug trade, sex trade] > sweatshops > migrant work

roughly speaking

we have sex slaves here in america, so i suspect that you have them, too, @Jasper

@JasperLoy well, good point. maybe you're better off than us.

And anyhow, I object to slavery and abuse. I don't object to selling sex. That's all I am saying.

@Kitḫ I agree with you. But I think it's also true that a huge proportion of sex workers do not enter that industry by choice, but rather because they are forced to do so by circumstances.

I understand that, but I feel like I'm saying "Hey, I don't object to Wal-Mart's shoddy goods" and I am being countered with "A lot of inexpensive clothing is made by child labor!"

It's confounding.

Consternating.

@Kitḫ well, that's true though, and actually that's also a problem.

It's just less visible because it happens in another country

Uh-huh. But that's not the topic I was discussing.

See?

Well, you did start talking about value judgments, so people brought up "moral" problems related to it.

@Kit @MrShinyandNew i actually don't agree about prostitution being morally acceptable in general, but let's put that aside. my point was that telling someone "go ahead and visit that prostitute" is very likely equivalent to saying "go ahead and exploit that abused, drug-addicted woman", and the latter at least should give you pause

@MrShinyandNew安宇 I was talking about value judgments related to engaging professional sex services. Abuse and slavery are only tangential to that.

@JSBᾶngs But I object to that statement.

@Kitḫ which one?

@Kitḫ Well, in the case of sex workers I think that there are too many "slaves" involved for it to be only a tangential concern.

> my point was that telling someone "go ahead and visit that prostitute" is very likely equivalent to saying "go ahead and exploit that abused, drug-addicted woman"

@MrShinyandNew安宇 bingo

Essentially, my only concern with prostitution is exactly this problem; too many sex workers are forced to do it and don't want to do it.

Well, you have all well and truly missed the point.

If you want to discuss sex slavery and all that, go ahead.

@Kitḫ no, i think we got the point, but our counterpoint is that the two points cannot be disentangled so easily.

is that a jinx, @Jasper?

gah. meta-jinx

I think we annoyed @Kit.

This is great. "every aborted child is in heaven"

"we'd be doing them a favour by aborting them then"

there are other copies of that video floating around, and in one, some nitwit says right after her "i'm not an idiot" line, "well, you believe in money, right? that doesn't exist!" (head-slap)