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> "You may think that Rivendell was out of his reach, but I did not think so. The state of things in the North was very bad. The Kingdom under the Mountain and the strong Men of Dale were no more. To resist any force that Sauron might send to regain the northern passes in the mountains and the old lands of Angmar there were only the Dwarves of the Iron Hills, and behind them lay a desolation and a Dragon.

ae-lib.org.ua/texts-c/tolkien__unfinished_tales__en.htm#3-3

This is about Sauron's moving from Dol Guldur against Rivendell.

@tchrist I don't understand why he should have to pass Erebor, much less the Iron Hills.

@tchrist I also don't understand how Smaug could "take" Erebor from the dwarven kingdom.

A mountain should be the best defence possible against a dragon.

Does it make sense to you?

evening.

Community has more hats than I do. sulks

Holla chatkillah.

(cough @cornbread cough)

howdy kitface!

Hi hi.

How goes it?

I shouldn't have put mustard on this.

It goes. I am feeling really glad that I tried to set up the Wii to test it out before Christmas morning.

What did you put mustard on?

What didn't I put mustard on?

@KitFox Tried to? Did it not work out?

It's missing a cable.

Noooooooooooo

I called the store and they don't have them, but I found one elsewhere and I'll pick it up tomorrow.

I had a turkey and pepperjack white cheddar on 12-grain Orowheat, with jalapenos and sprinkly parmesan.

But it's a really good thing I didn't wait.

Lame.

I'll say.

Which cable?

Oh, the guy was really apologetic. He would have gone to the other store and bought me one and driven it to my house.

Except he had to work.

@cornbreadninja The AV cable.

Is it a new Wii?

No. Pre-owned.

OIC.

I got it for a song, and this same guy threw in a game for free.

I haven't bought a console since the Pikachu 64.

:(

roflmfao

Hi girls.

@KitFox noice.

Hi Cerby!

> Notable differences from the book are: ... Isildur cuts off most of Sauron's fingers on his outstretched hand, instead of just one; Sauron eventually explodes

a three-headed dog has entered Throw a Pokeball at it!

Nooooo...

@cornbreadninja i no rite? So I feel kind of bad. I don't mind spending $8 on a cable after that.

fends off pokeball with ring of power

@Cerberus nooooo!

wilts

sends balrog after you

No balrogs in this chat.

balrog takes pity on Corny, gently touches her hair, then explodes

Happy now?

psst Do either of you know if Reg noticed that I changed the room name yet?

Oh, dear!

shh

He hasn't commented on it in my presence.

I'm having a laff.

I mean, the owl has not landed, I repeat, the owl has not landed.

brb

Damn it, she's going to tell him, isn't she?

shakes palantir at Corny

Hmm palantir says no.

Shit. Smeared the ink on the tag.

She's going to...attend to other business.

Oh of course. The mustard.

Speaking of which, I just cut some. Wait, no, that was cheese.

laughs at her own crassness

I am so low-brow.

Cut some what? Coke?

Mustard.

Or cheese.

It's a joke.

It's a funny one, so feel free to laugh.

@Cerberus winnar.

A third hat have I!

applauds

curtsies

The Incompromisable Romulan

ha! a Romulan lady was on a Hawaii 5-0 playing a scary fake doctor.

That two-parter where McGarrett's sister's kid is dying.

I've gone and killed the chat.

It's weird. Hawaii Five-O is a soap opera now.

That would be like making TJ Hooker into a soap opera.

I stopped watchin' that new one.

I mean, a girl Kono? Come on.

What? Weird.

Because sex.

daydreams

Oh.

Did you know I was writing some erotica for practice?

Writing practice, I mean.

How's that going?

Er, how's that coming?

Meh.

I'm trying to push my boundaries as a writer.

But since I'm not all that interested in sex these days, it is difficult to judge.

drops jaw

Are you OK? Is it the mustard?

Yes.

I've been writing ads.

Ads? For what?

@KitFox That edit was a bit steep!

@FumbleFingers The whole one letter, you mean?

I'll go and check, but I'd pretty much stake my life the original was glisters.

it certainly said that in the link I posted, and that's what I've believed for many decades

Hey fumble!

> "Arise, Tuor, son of Huor!" said Ulmo. "Fear not my wrath, though long have I called to thee unheard; and setting out at last thou hast tarried on thy journey hither.

@Tchrist This inversion is interesting.

@FumbleFingers It didn't say that in the link. That's why I changed it to match.

@KitFox It says *The original editions of The Merchant of Venice, 1596, have the line as 'all that glisters is not gold'. *

@FumbleFingers Oop. My bad. Apologies.

I really did read the thing. OK, I skimmed through it. So I missed the two lines where it actually said that...the headline was different!

s'ok - I know nearly everyone uses glitters now. I actually had to retype my google query because it autochanged the word on my search!

@FumbleFingers Did you read my answer? It is certainly glisters.

I included the entire poem from the play, unlike the rest of you sodding slackers.

We all know and agree it was "glisters"! I just thought it didn't actually say that in his link.

Mostly because the headline and the passage both use "glitters."

@Robusto no I haven't yet. But as I said in my own answer, that needn't concern us with the OP's issue, which is simply one of parsing

@KitFox a short one for Whole Foods salmon burger patties, a longer one for my espresso machine, a radio spot for a family restaurant trying to attract more weeknight customers, and a radio spot for Planet Sub.

@cornbreadninja Wow! That's a bucketload!

@KitFox it doesn't feel that way. And they're just practice. And thank you. :)

@FumbleFingers It needn't concern us unless we are interested to explore a little further, I suppose. Tolkien's line is actually an inversion of Shakespeare's.

@Robusto Anyway, I was trying to figure out how to explain the parsing to OP, but I gave up in the end - I can't see how to easily diagram it out.

You should be made of sterner stuff.

@KitFox dl.dropbox.com/u/8937679/whole%20foods%20salmon%20burgers.docx

@Robusto truth is, I saw you'd posted before I'd finished typing (two-fingered typing isn't the fastest method!), so I thot you'd have covvered that for me!

@cornbreadninja Diner? Hmm.

Yes. I did it all for you. How did you know?

@KitFox because burgers. Shrug.

Diner doesn't suggest "fine dining" to me.

Otherwise, I like the treasure bit.

I had bison burger at our office Christmas party. Can't say I cared for it much.

Fine because salmon. In Kansas City.

Hmm.

Ouch. I didn't think they ate fish in that area.

I'll even eat the sushi here.

Mmmm, sushi.

I like the radio spot.

licks wounds

Eeuuwww, you like wounds ...

But diner <> dining. Diner = greasy spoon.

But I'm sorry. I didn't mean to be a jerk.

No wai.

Like I said, no one asked for it or anything.

Can I hear the radio spot? Pretty please?

I wrote that one out and haven't typed it yet.

It is time for video games!

Bye!

@FumbleFingers: I see you cribbed my notion of inversion in one of your edits. Why not just take the whole thing and pass it off as your own?

> 1872 M. Collins Two Plunges for Pearl I. iii. 64 ― They had allowed their imaginations to illude them.

@Robusto I don’t know whether you can call him from the vasty deep that way. I think he may have to have been here “recently”, whatever that means.

@Cerberus But the Elvenking said: ‘Long will I tarry, ere I begin this war for gold. . . .’

Well, he was here an hour or so ago.

Oh!

Didn’t realize.

@Cerberus I once pulled out the myriad inversions of that sort in Tolkien. There are plenty in the Silmarillion.

Well, as the poet said, plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery.

That one of course is hobbity.

I doubt he is conscious that he might come off as a jerk that way.

$hats = 13;

@tchrist Right, the word long may have something to do with it, akin to only and such.

I think Wikipedia has an article on inversions in English where it classifies a whole set of them that start with some adverb or adverbial phrase.

Yes.

But those are all obvious.

And Wikipedia strays not from the path of modernity.

I am reading about Tuor's journey to Gondolin.

In which version?

Never mind.

I thought I hadn't read the Lost Tales, but I'm sure I have read this.

I can tell from the quote.

ae-lib.org.ua/texts-c/tolkien__unfinished_tales__en.htm#1

It is deeply sad that we have only the super-ancient version in completeness, not this beautiful one here.

The account of how Gandalf conceived of his plan to liberate Erebor I had also read before.

That is in the Lord of the Rings.

In part.

What do you mean?

The Quest for Erebor was finally published in full in the Illustrated Hobbit.

So perhaps I read that in some edition of the Hobbit?

He cobbled some part of it together to put in the RotK.

You may have.

The part in RotK is quite abbreviated. I forget where it is.

But Tuor's journey I have also read before.

It may be in an Appendix.

RotK?

Books 5 and 6.

Oh, Return.

My apologies.

@tchrist No part of it seemed new.

And this "full" version is not that long.

What else have you read in the 12-volume History of Middle Earth?

I have no idea whatsoever.

The Hobbit, the LotR, the Silmarillion.

Of those I am sure.

The others, I have no idea.

Per its Index, Tuor has major sections in II, IV, XI.

Oh, there is a sketch in the Silmarillion.

But I remember everything I am reading here.

The poisoning of Ulmo's springs, his cloak...

The seagulls.

It is the same story, of course.

It is richly told in Unfinished Tales.

Of similar length?

No, I don’t think so.