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1:06 AM
I just earned a hat, but my login isn't recognized so I can't get it. Bah, humbug!
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Q: Just earned a hat. Went to collect, and authentication won't recognize me

RobustoTalk about giving with one hand and taking away with the other. See this question for an explanation of the issue in detail. I thought it was only for the blog site, but apparently it involves hats, too. Seriously, this is getting tiresome. I'm close to 100K rep among the various SE sites I bel...

More weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 
1:37 AM
WTF?
 
Hrrm?
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Q: What is the correct name for 'soda'?

Loper324Is it correct to say, "soda" or is it "pop" or is it "Soda Pop"? My friend and I are going back and fourth between the two, he says Soda is "Soda ash" (Sodium carbonate) and pop doesn't sound right (eg. "A loud POP", or the type of music POP) So what would be the correct grammar usage, would I ...

Dupe.
 
1:50 AM
And a fucking stupid question, too.
 
The correct name for soda is soda. QED.
 
they're going back and fourth? why not fifth?
 
Hello.
 
Don't you guys get tired of the endless strife about closing questions?
I hate it.
 
1:55 AM
I know you want to disable closure.
 
I want to disable the fighting.
All the negativity.
 
I need to reboot my computer. Time me.
 
How?
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2:56.
 
The thing is, the bitching is all by people who cannot vote to close.
What does that say?
In fact, they are usually quite low in rep, and quite new to the site.
 
1:59 AM
I'm back
 
2 minutes.
 
That wasn't so impressive. Installing those updates took longer than I thought
 
@tchrist The bitching is also by me and Lovegren, to name a few.
 
My boss finally got me a new computer for work
 
Yay!
 
1:59 AM
It boots to the desktop faster than the old computer finishes posting the bios
 
Haha really?
That's imposisble!
 
it's really really fast
 
@Cerberus Physician, heal thyself.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't believe it!
@tchrist What is that supposed to mean?
Can people see how damaging it is to the site, all the negative emotions?
 
You’re bitching about your own bitching. So cut it out.
 
2:00 AM
I am only bitching because of all the Meta discussions I feel forced to participate in, to support the right party.
 
@Cerberus Well, the old computer had a relatively slow bios
 
I have decided to spend more time downvoting.
So they can’t bitch at me by name.
 
If all the bitching is displeasing those who know a little bit about linguistics, how can it possibly be good for the site?
 
So by all means, please promote your position that we should let the shitstorm of crappy question flood the site. Be my guest.
 
What?
 
2:06 AM
If you agree with the closings, stop complaining. If you disagree with them, then lobby for removing our ability to close questions. Or go vote to reopen. Or actually bother to answer them before they get closed. But don’t contribute to the bitching.
That solves the problem you cite.
 
That is a false representation of the current state of affairs.
I vote to reopen whenever I see a worthy question.
 
Good.
So do I.
But you can check my log. I usually say to leave them closed.
 
I answer at my own discretion.
And the bitching is done by everyone on Meta, in chat, and at the respective questions. I am not the cause at all.
And I hate it. But I feel obliged to support what I think is right.
Sanctimonious thought it may sound.
 
@Cerberus The time of your thought is your own to spend.
 
And those closed questions usually get answers anyway: that is not the problem.
@tchrist What?
@tchrist So none of this is right.
 
2:12 AM
You said you answer at your own discretion.
I agreed with you that your time is yours to spend as you please.
I was repeating what Dáin said to the messenger.
 
Hello. Can anyone kindly point me to the current, authoritative 'formal letter' format?
 
Use a colon. :)
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Q: what is wrong with this sentence?

DanaEven though many people think of them as shabby and uncomfortable, a youth hostel can be an interesting and inexpensive place to stay while traveling.

 
Hey, all the gravatars are missing.
 
Really?
 
@Robusto loading fine on my end
 
2:15 AM
Except for mine and everyone else's except @Cerberus and @tchrist.
 
They are still here for my eyes.
 
@tchrist Ah, yours is missing
 
Message says "waiting for gravatar.com" at the bottom.
I just had my sessions reset at the server end. That may have something to do with it.
 
Maybe they have extra hat-traffic.
 
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Q: Just earned a hat. Went to collect, and authentication won't recognize me. Bah, humbug!

RobustoTalk about giving with one hand and taking away with the other. See this question for an explanation of the issue in detail. I thought it was only for the blog site, but apparently it involves hats, too. Seriously, this is getting tiresome. I'm close to 100K rep among the various SE sites I bel...

Me got cool shades on meta now.
 
2:19 AM
But I see no hat.
Should I?
 
I have l'chaim hat here.
 
@tchrist Good.
 
But it's not showing. Hmm.
 
I have bunches.
 
I guess it doesn't filter down to chat until the cache times out for images.
@tchrist I'm just glad I got that session cleared. That was a mofo.
 
2:20 AM
@tchrist Here is another case where I am needlessly confronted with a negative exchange of words between the OP and a criticaster when I just want to answer a question:
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A: which alternative is correct?

CerberusNormally, you are free to either omit or repeat to in an elliptical, parallel construction like this. However, in this case the word first stands between to and the infinitive, and so you cannot repeat to while omitting first in the second branch. Repeating both to and first, however, sounds a li...

 
More gravatars gone missing.
 
@Robusto I see everyone.
Oh, but not in the in-line box above.
 
Thank you for answering.
 
Oh, and now my own has suddenly disappeared.
@tchrist Thanks.
 
So I see.
 
2:22 AM
Well, I like my name. I don't mind seeing it twice.
 
@Cerberus The fuck? I was sincere.
 
Were you?
 
Yes. Damn it.
 
There.
 
Better.
See how easy it is to make a bad/wrong/mistaken impression over this stupid idiot-box?
 
2:23 AM
Oh wait, I must apologise.
That was a Dutchicism.
 
@Cerberus: The OP edited that in after I commented. — Mr. Shiny and New 安宇 15 secs ago
 
I forgot that slime ball means something else in your language.
In Dutch, it means "sucker-upper".
 
You just called me a disgusting fuck-head. So of course I took offence.
I don’t think we should turn the conversation toward sucking. Really I don’t.
 
@tchrist "slime ball" is offensive to you? Or are you exaggerating? Because to me that would only be used for comic effect.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew: Ahh then I apologise, I hadn't checked. I will delete my comment. — Cerberus 54 secs ago
@tchrist Hence my apology.
 
2:27 AM
Slime ball is at least as bad as scum bag. Yes, really.
 
It seems this is apology night for me.
 
@Cerberus :) Apparently you're not the only one who didn't notice that it was edited
 
@tchrist If I had said that, it would not have been seriously, by the way. You know I don't seriously call people names.
 
There are now 21/50 closed questions on the Questions page. And very soon, more.
 
@Cerberus No need to apologize to me. It was an honest mistake.
 
2:28 AM
That is why I was shocked.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah...
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You are too kind.
 
I think the vulgar equivalent for what you were trying to say is brown-noser or ass-kisser.
You might have requested less fawning sycophancy, or less sycophantic fawning.
I think a variant of obsequious might well fit in there, too.
Obsequy, perhaps.
Gosh this place is slow tonight. I mean in its response-time.
Where do these hats show up, anyway?
Now they cannot even display my login name!!
 
@tchrist Yes, that, although the former is excessively vulgar.
 
Look! I get “t...” and nothing else.
Brown-noser is considered less vulgar than ass-kisser here, because you don’t have to say ass.
 
That is absurd!
Unless I misunderstand the former's meaning.
 
2:38 AM
I doubt it.
But ass is a taboo-word.
 
I don't use the word myself.
But there's bad and worse.
 
I actually don’t use it either, come to think of it. Never noticed that.
 
I might use it in even less literal ways.
Like "oh, fuck it".
I wouldn't use the word fuck in its literal meaning, ever.
Just as in Dutch.
 
Can you make out the Greek word there?
It is from here, published in 1826. FF found it.
 
sunanumia: synonyms?
well, the translation is a guess.
but not much of a guess from context.
 
2:54 AM
Oh I see.
I was having trouble with the individual letters. Too blurry.
That is a wee bit better. Maybe.
 
yes, blurrier than the surrounding text. poor printing i guess.
 
Well, it is almost two centuries old. They had forgotten how to print Greek by then, apparently. I bet two more centuries older they might have had a better Greek font there, or at least, one better paired with the Latin one.
@Cerberus Is nitidiora referring to being too picky?
Or is it shiny?
Polished?
 
@tchrist It must mean sunonumia, but it looks more like sunanumia.
Meaning synonymy at any rate.
There is no accent, so this is low-quality (or low-knowledge) printing.
Oh, it is sunônumia, of course.
With an omega.
 
Very compact omega.
@tchrist Yes, omega.
 
3:08 AM
I took it for an alpha.
Which is an amusing mistake, at some level.
Very mismatched Latin and Greek font, though.
Maybe that was intentional?
 
It often looks bad in combination.
@tchrist It can be anything from polished to neat to elegant.
Or splendid.
 
There is a super-neat sense in Spanish that can be a bit overdone.
 
The basic meaning is as you said shiny.
 
That is why I wondered about picky.
 
He is saying that, with synonyms, one is often better than another.
 
3:11 AM
The last clip is from here, BTW.
honest, sublime, polished, joking, and um sounds good? What is the last?
 
Better, more respectable, more elegant/splendid, funnier, more evocative.
Oh, I am just guessing, I should look the last one up.
 
Oh, e-vocative. Right.
 
It's conventional around here to consult a standard reference such as a dictionary first, and then ask us about any residual confusion. If you don't do this, the question is likely to be closed until you do. If you don't mind, I'm going to edit your question to show you what we prefer it to look like. (Well, actually, I'm going to do it whether you mind or not, but you can always edit it back.) — StoneyB 1 hour ago
 
I laughed when I read that.
 
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Q: What is the correct name for 'soda'?

Loper324 Possible Duplicate: Which is correct: “soda” or “pop”? Is it correct to say soda, or is it pop, or is it soda pop? My friend and I are going back and forth: he says soda is "Soda ash" (Sodium carbonate) and pop doesn't sound right (ie, "a loud POP", or the "pop" music). Merriam-Webst...

I mean.... come on. How can the answer to that be in the dictionary?
 
3:14 AM
@tchrist Actually I think he just means "better sounding".
 
Just answer the question (with the link tot the soda/pop/cola map)
 
Perhaps with a hint of more evocative. Hard to say.
 
Yes, those are all comparatives. But I thought maybe it was just something that sounded good, but I didn’t want to say sonorous.
@Mitch What, not with a link to the dupe?
Remember those girls we listened to, the accent tag stuff?
That was one of the questions on it.
The Welsh girl, I think it was, actually had pop not fizzy water, which surprised me.
 
What does she know?
Perhaps she normally says fizzy drink but just thought pop sounded cool for the video.
Or she was influenced by relatives who say pop.
 
There were a few more variants from the UK that I wish Americans realized existed.
Because if they did, maybe they would realize what a silly question it is to ask whether soda or pop is the correct answer.
I grew up with soft drink as a sort of formalism, but pop normally. Sometimes soda pop.
“Would you like a soft drink?” avoids leading people to believe you have offered them booze.
 
3:21 AM
@tchrist sure, it's a dupe, but that's not the point. the first comment is basically saying you're dumb cuz you didn't check a dictionary. And it is not a dictionary question.
 
But if me mum started asking for fizzy water, I’d tell ’er to knock off the fake accent. :)
 
@tchrist there's the 'Alice in Wonderland' problem here also. There's the thing, there's the name of the thing, there's what you call the thing, there's what you call the name, etc. etc.
 
Wow, the irony question emigrated to the Philosophers.
@Mitch Stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus. Damn, what’s the Latin for pop?
 
That is, if you go in the grocery store and you want a root beer, you'll ask for the aisle where all the soda/pop/cokes are (your choice). but if you order in a restaurant, you'd say 'can I have a root beer'.
 
That isn’t very polite of you.
 
3:26 AM
ad populum.
 
Well, or pater.
 
where does 'pop' come from in english?
 
I just find "Can I have" needs softening. Either may or could.
 
OK pragmatically it'd be "What'll you have?" "A root beer"
 
The OED defines soda-pop as flavoured [sic] soda-water, but gives no entymology for it.
When I was a kid, I always thought it was from the popping sound that it made when you took the lid off. Or the popping bubbles.
 
3:30 AM
Happy birthday, Perl.
(apparently)
 
@tchrist I'm trying to work that out...."Instead of the pink name, we take a naked name" ?
because the cork goes 'pop'.
 
@tchrist No entomology? Oh, dear! Whatever shall we do?
 
Too much bug spray.
@cornbreadninja Oh!
Right.
 
You don't look a day over 20.
 
@Mitch No, it is actually rose.
Yes, Gandalf.
> The book's last line, "Stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus" translates approximately as "Yesterday's rose endures in its name, we hold empty names". The general sense, as Eco pointed out,[5] was that from the beauty of the past, now disappeared, we hold only the name.
 
3:37 AM
o hai @Mahnax
 
@cornbreadninja Hiya.
 
Nur
Hi. If I want to load a (month old, say) conversation from the chat-search, how do I do that? Cheers!
I'm still learning how to use the exchange sites! :]
 
Copy the link into its own line here.
If that is what you mean.
Otherwise, just click on the link.
 
@Nur If you want to browse old chat lines, go to the top of this page, click "full transcript". But you can only go back day by day, so it will take a lot of clicks and waiting if you want to go back a month or so. In that case, it is probably better to use Google, because the entire transcript is indexed by Google.
Who wants to guess how much I spent on clothing in 12 months?
 
3:46 AM
sighs
 
December 2011–November 2012.
Guess.
Included is the only suit I own, which I really needed. It cost € 328.
 
Nur
@Cerberus @tchrist Figured it out! When you search each result has a link at the very beginning so you click on that and it loads that particular conversation! Many thanks.
 
Excluded is a pull-over and a shirt, which I bought on-line for € 60 total.
@tchrist Guess!
@Nur OK good!
 
Didn’t you say you spent $250/month or something?
 
Uhhh no.
 
3:48 AM
@Cerberus € 1000?
 
> Kleding € 389,97
So that makes ca. € 60 minus the suit.
So € 5 a month.
But the on-line stuff should be added to that, so € 120 yearly.
 
Huh.
 
These are the bank's stats.
And I would never buy clothing with cash.
I just never buy anything.
So let this be a lesson in frugality to you kids.
@tchrist Aren't you going to say something? You are supposed to praise me.
waits
Oh, wait, I forgot: I also bought a pullover at the supermarket, ca. € 15.
That must have been registered under groceries.
So € 135 yearly plus the suit.
 
I am making some bland rice and pretending it is dinner, and hoping it will be ok.
 
No praise?
I am disappoint.
I thought you hated vanity?
 
3:55 AM
You go for six days without eating and see how perky you are.
 
What?
 
Stomach virus, remember?
 
Oh, ahah.
Still not cured, huh?
 
I thought you said you bought a lot of clothes, but now I think you just said the average person spends this or that on it.
Cured?
Well, today I have no fever, for the first time.
 
@tchrist I never spend much on clothing. It is unnecessary, unless perhaps your body is oddly shaped.
@tchrist Yay!
Oh wait! I forgot another item: I spend € 50 on second-hand shoes.
That will have been filed under "internet purchases".
So € 185.
Damn.
Oh...and another € 35 on a pair of Converse shoes, also second hand.
€ 220.
Damn!
Oh, no, the € 50 pair of shoes was included after all!
So € 170.
Phew.
 
4:02 AM
@tchrist Ack. I did not hear about this.
And when I say ack, I don't mean to ... oh, just shoot me.
 
That’s what I get for hanging out with Hillary.
 
Did you?
I thought you didn't like her.
 
I didn’t, and I do.
 
Was she trying to get back at Bill, or do you guys really have something going?
@tchrist Oh.
 
There is nothing between Bill and me.
 
4:05 AM
Would you like there to be something?
 
Some distance, preferably.
I like Hillary rather more than Bill. Bill is funny, though.
 
Hmm.
 
And not dumb.
She isn’t funny, but is even more not dumb. And works like an ox.
 
Yeah.
I see you're coming round.
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Q: Vulgar way of saying "he killed himself"

nuoritoveriI'm trying to translate my acquaintance's cartoon to cite it in an article written in English. For the subject of the article it is important that the translation will be direct, thus very vulgar (very offensive). Is there a vulgar way of saying he killed himself in English meaning that someone ...

I'm on the fence about reopening this one.
On the one hand, it is a regular SWR, which are allowed on this site and are enjoyed by many.
On the other, I personally dislike them.
But I wouldn't vote to close them.
 
4:26 AM
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Q: Closed question that had 7 upvotes

Andrew LazarusHere. Really, this is descending into madness. ELU has 10, 50, perhaps 100 times the question closure rate of other SEs. You can tell this isn't because of unusually bad questions, because with the exception of some exact duplicates, the closure votes are drawn from at most ten high-rep members....

I call bullshit.
> ELU has 10, 50, perhaps 100 times the question closure rate of other SEs.
That is a lie.
 
That may not be true, but that doesn't take away the fact that the closing was against the FAQ.
As many closings are.
 
The question was not constructive. And @Rob is right.
OK, according to my Polish-speaking colleage, Zajebał się means "He fucked himself." I voted to close because I don't think we want this kind of polling-for-vulgar-expressions question hitting the multicollider. — Robusto 9 hours ago
It is a poll question. It has no answer. It is by definition not constructive. And it makes us look bad.
What more do you want?
Basically, it comes to this: we are going to be held at gunpoint on meta every fucking day until we stop closing questions.
 
@tchrist Why not?
This is not a poll.
I don't care about looking "bad".
@tchrist I disagree.
Until we stop closing questions that many people like.
 
Please edit the title to say ”What is the equivalent of Polish ‘he fucked himself’ ”? I double-dog dare you, Mr I-don’t-care-if-it-looks-bad.
 
The fact that only 5 people are needed to close a question no matter how many users we have means that an increasingly small minority has the power to shut down questions.
 
4:40 AM
Bah.
The complement of that set is that there are an ever-increasing majority of the non-five people who can reopen. Whatever.
 
@tchrist I was against it, but a compromise was agreed upon 1.5 years ago that we would not have vulgar expressions in question titles.
@tchrist But that means the question will still be closed for a while.
 
So what?
 
Which it usen't to be in the past.
So that is an unintended change.
 
Majority will shall by definition prevail.
If people don’t like that, they should go somewhere else, because it will never change here.
 
We should rather have for and against-closing votes happening at the same time, to balance things out.
@tchrist But not in the short run.
 
4:43 AM
Take that one to MSO. I triple-dog dare you.
 
It is a carousel.
Closed, reopened, reclosed, etc.
The system doesn't scale up with the number of high-rep users at all.
It is like having a five-people filibuster in your senate.
 
There are really a rather lot of high-rep users on SO, you realize. Your doomsday scenario never materializes there.
And so there is no reason to believe it will happen here.
 
The scenario is already a fact.
 
Show me the yoyo.
 
It is happening: questions are getting closed quickly by just five people, and nobody can prevent or stop this process.
I have no proof of the yoyo.
In fact I think reopening votes are very rare compared to closing votes.
Which exacerbates the problem.
 
4:47 AM
There is a reopen queue.
 
Which is that questions are being closed too early by a tiny fraction of our users.
 
Ok fine.
Time to multiply the reps needed to close on ELU by 10x. Make it 20k. Good enough for you?
 
But still. Most people will close a question when they see it in the regular question list or when linked to it from chat.
@tchrist No.
 
Ok, fine. 40k then. Deal?
 
The problem is not that 10k users are less able to judge than 20k users.
 
4:49 AM
The closevote privilege is a lot lower than that.
 
The problem is that we cannot hand out preventative or countering "open" votes during the closing process.
And we often only see the question once, when it is around the top of the question list.
 
It is not my fault that I am the only one who seems to bother to visit the reopen queue.
Yes, that is an exaggeration, but compare with the closevote queue.
 
Nobody said it was your fault.
But, if you feel that only queue-visitors should be allowed to vote, then take away the privilege from all the people who close-vote in passing without going through any queues.
 
6443 closevote reviews. 632 reopen reviews.
See the disparity?
@Cerberus I didn’t say that. You said people don’t vote to reopen as often as they vote to close. They are several very good reasons for that.
 
Good?
 
4:55 AM
Most of the closed questions should stay closed, so there is nobody voting to reopen them.
That’s a good reason.
 
That is begging the question.
But anyway, I have voted to close both questions on queue.
And somehow I don't see the "kill" question in the reopening queue. How come?
 
But if you had not visited the queue, you probably would not have voted to close them, because you would not have seen/noticed them, right?
 

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