English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

5:02 PM

@KitΘδς You scare me.

Are you sure you work alone, and not in some dilbertian complex?

Cerberus

No! At least someone is upholding proper protocol.

KitΘδς

@MrShinyandNew安宇 I am an army of me.

Not to be confused with an army of one.

aedia λ

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Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitΘδς And iiii-ii-if I complain once more, will I meet you?

5:07 PM

@KitΘδς That girl's videos are weiiird

Cerberus

@aediaλ Oh, my! Lovely. Some people are actually like that.

z7sg Ѫ

@Cerberus I think I may be a bit like that sometimes.

:(

aedia λ

@Cerberus I love the Control and Tony sketches. My husband can't stand them. He finds them so awkward he won't watch them.

KitΘδς

@aediaλ "She licked me good and proper."

aedia λ

5:14 PM

@Cerberus Tony and Control don't seem to take for granted what the listener can infer, and don't seem to mind it, but it can almost drive you mad watching. It's funny, and it shows a lot about language.

Cerberus

@z7sgѪ Naaah you're not.

@aediaλ I can understand! I must say they aren't easy to watch.

aedia λ

@KitΘδς I knowwww! Hilarious from Stephen Fry, too.

KitΘδς

@aediaλ It's making me feel a bit randy to be honest. A bit frisky asitwere.

aedia λ

@z7sgѪ I'm sure everyone is a little sometimes :)

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This spot kills me every time

KitΘδς

"I must say, I like this folder."

Cerberus

5:22 PM

Pretty horrendous!

How would you describe Laurie's accent, by the way?

Fry's sounds very RP.

aedia λ

@KitΘδς Great, now I'm thinking about V for Vendetta.

KitΘδς

@aediaλ Really? I was thinking Trailer Park Boys.

JSBᾶngs

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Q: How do Noun Clauses work when they seem to leave no independent clause?

Another thing that was raised in conversation with my ESL friend is noun clauses. I was aware of Adverbial and Adjectival Clauses and thought that the things he was demonstrating to me were in fact noun phrases, not clauses. After a long discussion and some google searches, I had to concede tha...

aedia λ

@KitΘδς Haven't seen that. Is it good?

JSBᾶngs

^ can someone back me up against Karl in the comments here? i'm trying to google a source that says that dependent clauses go inside independent clauses, but nothing comes up that's very explicit

the nested nature of dependent clauses is just taken for granted in most of the sources i can find, but that's the key to the OP's confusion

KitΘδς

5:27 PM

@aediaλ I've only seen the first season. I thought it was very funny. A bit lowbrow compared to Hugh and Laurie, though, naturally.

Think reality show spoof.

In a trailer park in Nova Scotia.

Maybe more like mockumentary.

Cerberus

@JSB: See my comment.

Dammit, lots of policemen and firemen in my street. What the hell is going on?

Grace Note

@Cerberus I assume crime is on fire.

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KitΘδς

@Cerberus Better hide your meth equipment.

Cerberus

Hmm some of the policemen, or, rather, policewomen, are leaving.

And the street isn't closed off any more.

KitΘδς

Are they coming to your door?

Cerberus

5:40 PM

Nope.

KitΘδς

Damn.

Cerberus

Police and firemen are never a good combination: what thing could demand the presence of both?

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

Christianity Q&A in public beta in 5 days. I already have begun to get few rep from there. I can access there, since I commited to the cause.

Grace Note

@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū It is possible to open in 5 days.

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

@Cerberus Fire-Hazard Criminal?

@Grace good!

Cerberus

5:43 PM

I was rather thinking bombs.

KitΘδς

@Cerberus Or meth labs.

Grace Note

Bombs would involve the Bomb Squad

Cerberus

But it seems it isn't extremely serious.

aedia λ

@Cerberus His real accent sounds pretty RP to me. I'm kind of bad actually at recognizing American accents but what I can tell you is that when I saw him on House he sounded totally normal to me (like East Coast DC-NY non-NYC) and until I looked him up I thought he must have been an American who learned the British accents.

Cerberus

Not sure we have a bomb squad.

And meth labs aren't in the city, are they?

KitΘδς

5:44 PM

Um, why not?

aedia λ

@Cerberus Bacon fires can strike anywhere. At home, at school, on the playground!

Grace Note

@Cerberus They can be anywhere. Even in your basement, right now

KitΘδς

We had one two streets over when I was living downtown.

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

How about Poison?

Cerberus

Well, it's very expensive to rent space here, and there is no advantage for meth labs to be here; on the contrary, they will be checked far more often, especially considering Amsterdam's extremely tight rules on everything related to housing.

KitΘδς

5:45 PM

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Cerberus

But I suppose it is still not impossible.

aedia λ

Oh, sorry, you were asking about meth, not bacon. I think people here make some kind of drug in portable labs in cars, like abandoned ones on the sides of highways, but I can't remember what I heard it was.

KitΘδς

This kind?

Cerberus

@aediaλ Sure! But police?

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

@Cerberus you do know about poplular law that was set of in Holland in 1970's?

KitΘδς

5:46 PM

@Cerberus Cops love bacon.

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

or is it 80's? IDk...

Anyway, do any of you know this law? It is related to houses.

KitΘδς

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Or this kind?

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

@kit nonono..

Cerberus, do you know?

Cerberus

@aediaλ Haha, very nice. Poor man. He does sound more RP there than in the Tony video.

@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū What do you mean?

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

Alright, seems like none of you knows the law.

KitΘδς

5:49 PM

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aedia λ

@Cerberus The bacon fires thing was from some TV we watched when we were kids, actually. But even though I can find 1990s commercials on YouTube, that one doesn't come up. It was like, a parody ad, or something about fire safety, or... I'm not really sure. My brother and I found it hilarious and my family says it today in regard to exaggerated dangers.

KitΘδς

This kind?

Cerberus

We have tons of laws on everything. The height of doors, the width of decorations...

KitΘδς

@aediaλ Have you seen the Mythbusters about grease fires?

@Cerberus You name your doors?

aedia λ

@KitΘδς I saw one where they set powdered nondairy coffee creamer on fire, which made me concerned about the stuff I drink to make my work coffee palatable. But I don't remember that one.

Cerberus

5:51 PM

@KitΘδς Whoopsie!

KitΘδς

You know that most "nondairy" creamer is actually dairy?

I think Coffee Rich is the only that isn't.

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

Back in times, there were population boom, the hosue shortage was big problem.

JSBᾶngs

@Cerberus and he responded, and i responded and edited my original answer

it's actually turned into an interesting discussion

aedia λ

@KitΘδς Mine is mostly corn but it does have something from dairy in it, yeah. I read ingredients a little much.

KitΘδς

@aediaλ I just wanted to make sure. McDonald's fries are also not non-dairy, interestingly.

aedia λ

5:54 PM

@KitΘδς Also, those things that say they don't have any chemicals in them totally do.

KitΘδς

Well, everything has chemicals in them. It. In everything.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitΘδς Except a modern chemistry set for kids. DHS won't let it.

KitΘδς

You should have seen my mother's reaction when I calmly informed her that dihydrogen oxide was a chemical found in all tumors.

JSBᾶngs

@Cerb you want to argue about what kind of conjunction "because" is?

KitΘδς

And she was drinking a glass of it at that very moment!

aedia λ

5:56 PM

I had a sticker to that effect when I was a kid, from my chemist grandma. It was like, "this is a product of chemistry!" or something, and then there was a gray one that was bigger and was like, "...or is it?"

KitΘδς

grins

aedia λ

I used to put them on everything around the house that my mom would let me deface, and save the gray ones for things I wanted to spark discussion about.

KitΘδς

That sounds lovely.

aedia λ

I remember that after a bit, most of the things I had questions about, you couldn't stick the sticker to 'em, like air and fire and wet lettuce straight from the garden.

I miss stickers.

KitΘδς

We use stickers and ink stamps in my home.

aedia λ

5:59 PM

@KitΘδς That one never gets old.

KitΘδς

@aediaλ "My God, Mom! Your water is full of dihydrogen oxide!"

What's the other designation?

aedia λ

Dihydrogen monoxide?

KitΘδς

I can't remember.

aedia λ

Mono- makes it sound scarier, like carbon monoxide.

KitΘδς

@aediaλ The "mono-" prefix is optional though, right? Because the chemical structure is unambiguous?

There's one naming convention that has a II or 2 in it. I can't quite remember...

aedia λ

6:02 PM

@KitΘδς I believe so, but it sounds good.

KitΘδς

Hydrogen hydroxide.

Maybe

> Main hazards: Drowning (see also Dihydrogen monoxide hoax)

giggle

aedia λ

@KitΘδς I can only think of II like in cobalt II chloride.

JSBᾶngs

@aediaλ organic compounds are frequently named with numerals in them

KitΘδς

@aediaλ Yeah, that's the kind of thing I was thinking of.

Oooh. Smells like rain. Lemme see.

JSBᾶngs

to indicate the locations where the chains are attached, eg. 3,4-methylene-dioxymethamphetamine

KitΘδς

6:06 PM

@JSBᾶngs That's true, but in cobalt II chloride, I think it indicates the reduction of the ion.

Oxidation state, I mean.

And I seem to be correct.

IUPAC nomenclature

A chemical nomenclature is a set of rules to generate systematic names for chemical compounds. IUPAC nomenclature is worldwide the most used chemical nomenclature. It is developed and kept up to date under the auspices of the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC). The rules for naming organic and inorganic compounds are contained in two publications, known as the Blue Book and the Red Book respectively. A third publication, known as the Green Book, describes the recommendations for the use of symbols for physical quantities (in association with the IUPAP), while a fourth...

@KitΘδς Sorry, @Reg, I did it by accident.

JSBᾶngs

unfortunately i've forgotten almost all of my chemistry

so i can't remember what that actually means

aedia λ

@JSBᾶngs Me too.

@JSBᾶngs I couldn't even think of an example :'(

KitΘδς

@JSBᾶngs Iron, for instance, can be +2 or +3. That's its oxidation state.

JSBᾶngs

@aediaλ i only know that example because it's kind of famous

gah, i give up

i forget how to do inline links in chat

KitΘδς

@JSBᾶngs Square brackets then parentheses.

aedia λ

6:11 PM

No the other way the other way!

KitΘδς

whistles, looks innocent

hooray! fixed!

Ta da!

Yay team!

Right. So ferric oxide or ferrous oxide.

aedia λ

6:12 PM

KitΘδς

Or Iron(III) oxide—FeCl2—or Iron(II) oxide—FeCl3.

Matt Ellen Д

organic compounds have numbers in them to indicate which carbon atom the other ions are attached to

Cerberus

@JSBᾶngs I would love to!

Matt Ellen Д

as in 1, 5-chlorohexane

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitΘδς Shouldn't Iron Oxide have oxygen?

JSBᾶngs

6:20 PM

@Cerberus the comment thread on the original post is really going into the weeds

Matt Ellen Д

yeah, that's Iron Chloride

KitΘδς

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Uh. Yep.

JSBᾶngs

part of the problem is that the subordinating/coordinating distinction in traditional grammar is misleading

Matt Ellen Д

:D

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JSBᾶngs pff, you ALWAYS say that.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

6:21 PM

Jul 25 at 23:58, by RegDwight

@Cerberus I would like to fetch some ideas about setting up a brainstorming for figuring out some dates when we could come together to talk about holding your meeting.

JSBᾶngs

@MrShinyandNew安宇 i am a grammar radical, always going about trying to overthrow the reigning regime

Cerberus

@JSBᾶngs I figured as much! And I am an arch-conservative.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

And then, and only then can we proceed to thinking about advanced stuff such as committees, @Kit.

JSBᾶngs

so this is dumb: so is called a coordinating conjunction, while therefore is traditionally subordinating, even though they mean the exact same thing and have the exact same syntactic frames

KitΘδς

@RegDwightѬſ道 inhales deeply in preparation for witty rejoinder

RegDwight Ѭſ道

6:23 PM

@JSBᾶngs Rename it! Rename it! Rename it!

Apr 20 at 13:02, by RegDwight

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Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JSBᾶngs "so" means "because"?

Cerberus

@JSBᾶngs Therefore is also coordinating.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

oh wait I misread you

JSBᾶngs

@MrShinyandNew安宇 fixed in an edit

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

oh, you miswrote me. gotcha

Cerberus

6:24 PM

It can start a new sentence, so it is coordinating.

Jez

Wow. Steve Jobs and Rob Malda resign on the same day.

JSBᾶngs

yeah, but the distinction in traditional grammar is pretty much arbitrary. in reality people can and do start sentences with and and because all the time

Cerberus

By "is" I mean "is considered to be in traditional grammar".

KitΘδς

@RegDwightѬſ道 laughs heartily and forgot where she was going with that

Cerberus

@JSBᾶngs And is coordinating. Formal prose will not use because as a subordinating conjunction.

JSBᾶngs

6:26 PM

@Cerberus formal prose is not supposed to start a sentence with and, either, but this is a dumb rule that nobody follows, mostly

Cerberus

@JSBᾶngs I disagree.

Formal prose can start a sentence with and.

KitΘδς

And frequently does.

titter

Cerberus

But I agree that the distinction is open to debate for each conjunction.

JSBᾶngs

@KitΘδς i lost a good ten seconds trying to find the sexual innuendo in this statement because of your titter

hey, two more upvotes on ELU and i break 20K!

Cerberus

Heh she always titters.

@JSBᾶngs Cool!

Jez

6:28 PM

@Cerberus Sounds like you have some in-person experience with that.

Cerberus

But it is unfair that you TL;DRd your answer.

@Jez I don't!

I am at a meagre 16 or 17k.

Arg, I see I wrongly changed coordinating into subordinating above. Oh, well.

JSBᾶngs

brb

Cerberus

5

Now that is a nice number.

JSBᾶngs

woo!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus cool

JSBᾶngs

6:35 PM

@Cerb did you go and upvote me twice somewhere to put me over?

good think you took a screenshot when you did, as i'm already at 20010

KitΘδς

@Cerberus Whoop whoop!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Cerberus At last we can trust him.

Cerberus

@JSBᾶngs Not even!

@RegDwightѬſ道 You give him access to the Red-Button room now?

JSBᾶngs

@RegDwightѬſ道 the fools! they call me a trusted user! maniacal laughter...

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@JSBᾶngs I could downvote you fifce, if you insist.

Cerberus

6:36 PM

See?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Cerberus Its no me, its system who callz him trutsed lol Im moar kerful.

KitΘδς

@RegDwightѬſ道 Isn't it "fivce"?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@KitΘδς You see, my neologism, my rules.

Cerberus

@RegDwightѬſ道 Then install a new system?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Cerberus Yeah, I keep hearing that in this room.

Cerberus

6:38 PM

-ce is technically the genitive ending -(e)s, so I'd say fives.

KitΘδς

@RegDwightѬſ道 Have you tried jQuery?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@KitΘδς I am looking for stuff to drop first.

Cerberus

@RegDwightѬſ道 Right, especially a certain central node.

KitΘδς

@Cerberus Yes! Yes! My instincts are right!

Cerberus

@KitΘδς You are a woman. D'oh.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

6:39 PM

@Cerberus You're technically a genitive ending.

KitΘδς

@Cerberus I am? checks Oh right!

Cerberus

@RegDwightѬſ道 How dare you! You locative! And you know where!

@KitΘδς Don't check too systematically.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Cerberus Locativum errates sund.

Cerberus

Ahhhh!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

See.

Don't mess with me, big boy.

Cerberus

6:40 PM

fingers in ears

which doesn't work out well with 6 ears

RegDwight Ѭſ道

... and no fingers.

JSBᾶngs

resolved: to obliterate this grapefruit through the might of my merciless dentition

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Congratulations!

aedia λ

@JSBᾶngs Yay!

KitΘδς

@JSBᾶngs Are you a bellicophagist neophyte now?

JSBᾶngs

6:45 PM

@KitΘδς i'm definitely a convert to bellicophagy

KitΘδς

@JSBᾶngs Yay!

claps hands

I find myself clapping my hands a lot lately. My youngest son has started doing this to indicate things he likes.

JSBᾶngs

plus i've just been notified by outlook that Cake Thursday begins in 15 minutes, so i'll be gone to obliterate the starches of my foes soon

@KitΘδς heh. both of my kids say "bravo"

KitΘδς

He also nods in a very pointed way.

JSBᾶngs

even for themselves. the 3yr old says "bravo" to himself every time he pees

KitΘδς

@JSBᾶngs LOL

My youngest can only say "uh oh" right now.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

6:47 PM

@JSBᾶngs Cool I have a new hobby.

KitΘδς

And something that closely approximates his older brother's name.

@RegDwightѬſ道 That's not a hobby. That's masturbation.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Does not compute.

JSBᾶngs

who says that masturbation can't be a hobby?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Jinx.

KitΘδς

@JSBᾶngs musing

Pleasant diversion = hobby. Mm-hmm. Okay. I retract that.

JSBᾶngs

6:49 PM

@RegDwightѬſ道 denied. yours was far to oblique to actually jinx mine, even if your intent was the same

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@JSBᾶngs Who says that you can deny me stuff?

Mar 16 at 3:37, by RegDwight

My rules are unclear and flexible.

JSBᾶngs

@RegDwightѬſ道 didn't you hear? i'm a trusted user now. i can do whatever i want.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@JSBᾶngs No. You're not a free user yet.

It only says that you will be trusted whatever you do, not that you actually should do it.

Take that from a user who has been trusted for ages, and look where it got him: he even gets denied jinxes.

Cerberus

So which users are free?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Rhodri, obviously.

Cerberus

6:53 PM

Those who have paid off their indentures?

I see.

I feel pretty free too.

Is that wrong?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

That's how you roll in Ananasland.

Untill someone comes along and shows you your borders.

JSBᾶngs

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Be it Muslim terrorists or tourists, floods from below or floods from above.

JSBᾶngs

@Reg here you go. not because you jinxed me, but just because i feel sorry for you

KitΘδς

@JSBᾶngs That is the sexiest picture of Coke I have ever seen.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

6:55 PM

@JSBᾶngs Hey I feel sorry for me, too! Can we be friends?

JSBᾶngs

@RegDwightѬſ道 yes! sweet!

Cerberus

@RegDwightѬſ道 There are no borders! We avoid the walls because we like to do so of our own volition. And the trellis.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

O Zeus, not volition again.

KitΘδς

@Cerberus What about the dykes [sic]?

Cerberus

@KitΘδς We avoid them too, for other reasons.

Don't want to make them angry.

aedia λ

6:56 PM

@RegDwightѬſ道 You should feel happy of yourself!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@aediaλ That is quite hideous, thank you.

I do feel happier now that I closed it.

Cerberus

> @JSBngs: ... but I agree that that isn't the point here, and I agree with your edited answer in all respects. – Cerberus ↵ 0 secs ago edit

@JSB: Does that ping you?

JSBᾶngs

@Cerberus yes it does

Cerberus

OK.

So leaving out "special" characters works fine.

I am using the "reply-to button" script (as I assume everybody here is), and so it processes the names correctly.

JSBᾶngs

@Cerberus well, i'd get pinged in the global inbox anyway, since you're commenting on my post

Cerberus

6:59 PM

Right.

JSBᾶngs

ok guys. off for cake and meetings

bbye

Cerberus

@JSB: Another test is whether you can put the word directly after and without adding an extra clause: if you can, this word cannot be a subordinating conjunction.

Grace Note

@Cerberus It's also what you'd get if you used tab completion

Cerberus

"And so she called in sick."

@GraceNote Ah, right.

Grace Note

You can also confirm whether a message successfully pinged or not by seeing if, when you hover over that message, the last message from the person is highlighted

Cerberus

7:02 PM

"And therefore they left the building."

@GraceNote OK, but in answers/questions?

I was wondering about it when I saw what happened with my reply-to in comments.

But I presume it is the same.

Grace Note

@Cerberus Oh, on the site

You can skip special characters, aye

While others (like accented or umlaut) can be substituted

Cerberus

@GraceNote You know, the thing where you get reps and stuff.

aedia λ

@JSBᾶngs Hope you enjoy >= 1 of those.

Cerberus

Substituted?

Grace Note

@Cerberus I've got, like, 201 on your site. That's enough to get it a space

Cerberus

7:04 PM

Why would I want to substitute an accented letter for anything?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Cerberus Why would you not?

Grace Note

@Cerberus More like, when your display name is Björn, someone can reach you through "@Bjorn"

Cerberus

You mean if I type ä instead of a, the name will still be recognized?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@GraceNote Not if your name is Bjоrn though, innit?

Cerberus

Ahh, OK. The other way around.

simchona

7:05 PM

gooood morning

Cerberus

Morn!

aedia λ

@RegDwightѬſ道 I listened to too many of those songified versions of things yesterday and actually woke up with a much worse one playing in my head. Of course, now I've got it stuck again. Blast.

Grace Note

@RegDwightѬſ道 @Bjorn would hit a person named Bjorn if Bjorn came after Björn but not if Björn came after Bjorn.

@aediaλ We've got a 10 hour loop of "What Is Love" if you want to erase all sense of things from being stuck in your head.

Cerberus

@GraceNote I think there is a typo in this?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@GraceNote Sorry, I need to clarify, since it's sneaky. I am not talking about Bjorn, I am talking about Bjоrn. In the second one, the O is Cyrillic.

simchona

7:07 PM

@RegDwight Thanks for (I think it was you) taking a look at the comment thread on "people who are always online"

Cerberus

@RegDwightѬſ道 No it definitely looks Greek to me.

Grace Note

@RegDwightѬſ道 I don't know how Cyrillic is affected

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I see.

Grace Note

It's easy to test, though

RegDwight Ѭſ道

But I would expect it to be treated as a different character entirely.

Cerberus

7:08 PM

Let that be a lesson for people using Cyrillic and Latin letters in the same word.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@GraceNote Right, I could rename myself into RеgDwight, with a Cyrillic E.

Cerberus

And I could rename myself to Bippetyboo.

Grace Note

@RegDwightѬſ道 I figured we'd use @Cerberus as a guinea pig

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Cerberus I could rename yourself to Bippetyboo, too.

Cerberus

No!

Grace Note

7:09 PM

If we did it fast enough, he wouldn't even know

Cerberus

Don't, or I will rename myself to Grace Note.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@GraceNote Right, so Cerberus becomes Сегвеги5.

Cerberus

With a Cyrillic e—but you'd never know which one!

What!?

Segbegi5?

How dare you!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Cerberus You can only rename yourself once every 30 days. Grace and I could rename you like fifce a second.

Cerberus

I will...I will...do other stuff! Yeah!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

7:11 PM

Right! Other stuff! Stamina! Energy! BRB.

Grace Note

@RegDwightѬſ道 There was some point that non-Latin letters were disallowed for the very first letter in a display name, but I'm not right sure about that anymore.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@GraceNote Yeah, I vaguely remember recollecting a shadow of a memory, but sure I am not in the least.

simchona

7:25 PM

For posterity of "pretty rep numbers"

drɱ65 δ

What are stars for?

Grace Note

@drɱ65δ In chat?

KitΘδς

@drɱ65δ Constellations.

drɱ65 δ

If I starred all "interesting" messages,

simchona

It's like upvoting

Grace Note

7:29 PM

A star indicates something that people thought was useful or interesting for the transcript.

drɱ65 δ

I hardly see any, though

If it's like voting, should I star a lot?

simchona

There are more than show up over there

drɱ65 δ

Like that? That was interesting

simchona

There are currently 1109

drɱ65 δ

OK

BTW, simchona, how did you pass me?

:-)

Congrats

simchona

7:31 PM

Thanks ^^

drɱ65 δ

Actually, you are proving that it's possible. 8K+ in 44 days is amazing

aedia λ

@simchona Nuh uh.

drɱ65 δ

@aediaλ So how many are there?

simchona

That's because it's summer. Wait til September...

drɱ65 δ

1111?'

Why do I have 12.2K on my mini chat profile

?

Grace Note

7:33 PM

@drɱ65δ It's all in the eye of the beholder. Remember that chat isn't the site - this is, really, just a chat place. Stars only serve as guidepoints, not really as some sort of voting system.

KitΘδς

@drɱ65δ That's your total site-wide rep.

drɱ65 δ

@GraceNote Now that is epic.

KitΘδς

And stars are for special stuff in chat. Not just random crap.

drɱ65 δ

@KitΘδς My flair only has 9.2K, though

Where is the extra 3K?

Grace Note

@drɱ65δ Flair only includes sites with at least 200 reputation. Chat doesn't have that restriction.

aedia λ

7:36 PM

@drɱ65δ Um. Billions and billions?

Grace Note

You only need 30 site accounts to have that extra 3k, as it were.

drɱ65 δ

Ah, I see.

I have at least that many

aedia λ

Feb 18 at 14:48, by kiamlaluno

How should I wake up the list of the starred posts?

drɱ65 δ

What's done with all the transcripts?

Grace Note

@drɱ65δ Publicly accessible and indexed. You can read them at any time.

Cerberus

7:52 PM

@GraceNote Do you know how to search them effectively?

For example, how do I jump to a certain date?

I couldn't do that when I tried.

Grace Note

@Cerberus April 11th, 2011.

(Look at the structure of the URL. 95 is the ID of this room)

Cerberus

Ah, I see!

Thanks!

And how do I search for someone's first message in chat? When I search mine own, it won't go further back than a few months ago.

Grace Note

You can also scope down hours - 13:00-14:00 segment from April 11th, 2011

aedia λ

@Cerberus I'm not sure about first message, but notice that it has relevance/stars/newest order in search results (usually I switch to newest so they go chronologically)

Grace Note

@Cerberus You can't

aedia λ

7:56 PM

@Cerberus For example, you saying 'cake'

Cerberus

@GraceNote Cool!

Grace Note

The best you can do is compare your join date to the transcripts of the first room you probably entered and spoke in, and see when you finally started talking.

Cerberus

@aediaλ I tried that, but it didn't work: only went back so far.

@GraceNote OK.

@GraceNote And how do I search for a phrase, like "non-U"? It gets all sorts of irrelevant results when I try that, with or wihout "". It seems it catches every instance of "non-".

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