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12:00 AM
instantly the chatroom is compressed at microscopic level and recreates itself
 
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@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū recreates
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Thanks. I always thought I was unsatanic.
 
See, @ChaosGamer, you have created an automatic spellchecker. And it uses actual people! If that ain't teh awesum, then teh awesum has no meaning.
 
I would rather have someone checking what I wirte "before" I post it, thank you very much.
 
user19161
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū write
 
12:02 AM
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū even the longest journey, yadayada.
 
@Reg hmmm... What is your vendetta against spell checkers anyhow?
 
Also, quotes are not for emphasis. Kind of the opposite, actually.
 
I say qoutes are for emphasis.
 
user19161
OK new day for SE. Rep can increase now. Perhaps they should do away with rep cap, it seems silly.
 
Ok, all good now.
 
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12:04 AM
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū quotes
 
@Chaos, I'm sorry for setting you up like that. I was on edge after trg said what he did, and I took it out on you.
 
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@simchona Glad to hear!
 
11
A: What is the difference between ‘Hot Corned Beef’ and ‘"Hot" Corned Beef’?

Robusto 初夢Don't rely on signs you see in windows as a usage guide. In standard English, quotes around a word are usually used to distance the writer from its use in some way, normally to cite their usage by someone else or to express doubt about their veracity. For example, I might write: "Fred calle...

 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū I set you up with the question I asked earlier, and even if you don't get why I'm apologizing, I'm sorry
 
12:05 AM
And... here I am! 7,777.
 
Ah, so the kittehz helped. They just took their time.
 
@sim how did it go with private discussing?
 
user19161
@drɱ65δ If you like it so much, you can always downvote other answers to stay at that.
 
@drɱ65δ But now... you're left without goal, purpose, method, guru, and teacher.
 
12:06 AM
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū It went well. I just didn't want to keep it here.
 
user19161
@simchona True, not everyone is as thick-skinned as me. :)
 
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Why is everyone still here at this time? This is a very weird day.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Actually I got teacher and guru already.
 
in War Metal Tyrant, Jul 29 at 20:59, by RegDwight
No Guru, No Method, No Teacher is the sixteenth album by Northern Irish singer-songwriter Van Morrison, released in 1986 on Mercury. Biographer Clinton Heylin referred to this album by Morrison as "His most consummate record since Wavelength and his most intriguingly involved since Astral Weeks, this is bursting to saturation point, Morrison at this most mystical, magical best." Upon release in 1986, it charted at number twenty-seven in the UK and number seventy on the Billboard 200. Recording and composition The album was recorded at Studio D and Record Plant Studios in Sausalito, Cal...
 
Once each
 
12:09 AM
Okay me hearties, I'm out.
Jasper just won't stop insisting.
So, night all.
 
@Reg lets continue out yo mama duel later, bro.
 
user19161
No eyes, no ears, no nose, no tongue, no body, no mind. Heart Sutra
 
user19161
Emptiness is form and form is emptiness.
 
@Jasper I think you forgot soul and spirit.
 
@Jasper See that girl. Watch that scene. Digging...the dancing queen.
 
12:14 AM
Sleep well, @Reg!
 
Kit! you should have come sooner.
 
Man, I always miss the drama cuando estoy autobus-ing y having internet issues.
 
wait, is it came or come?
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Come
 
12:16 AM
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Was is los?
 
Hey @Kit! Feeling okay?
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Sounds better, at least.
 
@GraceNote Tired, but good yes, thank you.
 
@grace what do you mean, feeling ok?
 
Ahha
 
12:17 AM
@GraceNote: I apologized to badp already, but I want to apologize to you too.
 
@Kit!!! Hi hi hi!
 
@aediaλ My friend, hello!
 
@simchona Thanks.
Y'know, I keep wanting to say "salient" but I never actually learned the definition. I've got a dictionary right in front of me, too.
 
@GraceNote Let me know if I stray down a wrong path again.
 
12:20 AM
@Grace doesn't salient mean lively?
 
@simchona Heh, I shall keep an eye.
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Possibly
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Most important
 
And also: it means most important or noticeable.
 
So you have "salient points" of a textbook chapter
 
user19161
He guides me along the right path for his name's sake. Psalm 23
 
12:21 AM
That was one of the recurring assignments we had in AP European History
 
It's like when someone's trying to understand Catcher in the Rye and you say that Salinger was a recluse.
 
@JasperLoy Yup. Sounds like Grace to me.
 
I love my Daum Auto Dictionary, only useful to Koreans. You put the mouse over a word, it automaticaly tells me the definition. I'm lovin' it :)
 
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@simchona No, Grace is a she. :)
 
I thought @Grace didn't subscribe to one or the other?
 
12:22 AM
@jasper how do you know?
 
Maybe I read the blog post about her wrong
 
People can subscribe in my stead, as long as they don't enforce it on others.
 
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@simchona Just my hypothesis, no more.
 
Of course, with all the clues pointing at her with pink thing she showed at blog page, with all girl avaters, and ect.
 
@JasperLoy I don't think we'll know positively one way or another, and I'm pretty sure she wants to keep it that way.
 
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12:24 AM
@simchona Ya. Hence just a hypothesis, no more.
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū That doesn't necessarily mean Grace is "she". As Grace said, you can pick which pronoun you want to use
 
I didn;t positivly say that Grace was she.
 
user19161
Wanda confused me too.
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Pink != she
 
user19161
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū automatically
 
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12:25 AM
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū positively
 
Whateves, ppl.
 
@JasperLoy I like you more and more every time you do that
 
@simchona Irrelevant, too, because the duck is orange...
 
@GraceNote Who's a duck?
 
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@simchona I am pink right now.
 
12:27 AM
Gahh
 
@JasperLoy I like your avatar right now. It's pretty.
 
Hey! what about me?
 
I, however, am a kitten. I am universal.
 
@simchona The image in my blog post. It's an orange duck.
 
user19161
@simchona I think the duck in the blog post introducing her.
 
12:27 AM
@GraceNote It was a cute duck.
 
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Jinx.
 
@sim Hedgehogs are universal!
 
It is. That's why I took the picture. ♪
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Hedgehogs are illegal in many places. Kittens aren't.
 
keyword: illegal. Not impossible. :)
 
12:29 AM
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū But not universal.
@GraceNote So in real life, do you have a pronoun with which you identify?
 
We, the special Hedgehogs, can breath in space. Take that :).
 
@simchona I do. There's a particular pronoun I quite prefer, too.
 
user19161
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū breathe
 
@GraceNote Is it "you"?
 
@GraceNote Cool.
 
12:30 AM
But I don't mention which one it is because if I do that, I may as well reveal my sex in the first place, and that defeats the whole purpose.
@KitΘδς Haha
 
@GraceNote And that's why I purposefully didn't ask which it is. Just didn't know if you were this ambiguous all the time
 
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@grace I actually thought your 44 per cent referred to the physical procedure. It was funny.
 
@Grace why are you obssesed over gender? I don't understand.
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Sex != gender
 
user19161
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū obsessed
 
12:31 AM
Whateves, ppl.
 
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@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū whatever
 
Whateves, ppl.
 
I think it may have to do with fighting the automatic assumption that everyone is either male or female.
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū I'm not, which is rather the point to why I don't care which pronoun people use.
 
.....this is confusing. This is incomprehensability.
 
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12:33 AM
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū incomprehensibility
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū No, this is just different than what we are all used to
 
@sim because everybody IS either male or female.
 
user19161
Note the spellings obsess and possess.
 
user19161
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū There are people with both sex organs.
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Only in our society.
 
12:35 AM
Well, In my opinion, anybody trying to chnage what gender they are is wrong. God has made you that way. Nobody should want to change it.
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū My point was, we box people when we meet them. Grace may seem confusing online because we can't box her
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū That is your opinion, and that is fine.
 
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@chaos If your mum asks you why you are always in chat, you can say you are learning spelling.
 
And I never said Grace is trying to change her gender. I don't know that.
 
@Jasper she doesn't even know that I am chatting. She just knows the site.
You see, My mom is Korean, too, and you know Korean moms.. always obssesed with learning to wwhere being in hell is better then living in your home
currently, she makes me study all the time.
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū That sounds decidedly the opposite of the one Korean mom I actually know, anecdotally speaking.
 
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12:38 AM
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū obsessed
 
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@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū You can talk to her about it.
 
She is now.. trying to make me go into Hackensack High School.
I tried. Trying to make sense with Hitler not to be maglomaniac has better chance.
 
Oh. Right, about that...
 
Currently.. I have no free time. To qoute her, one more time she sees game screen on my computer, and she will break it apart. shudders
 
Could you... please hold off on the Hitler mentions? That's a sensitive subject to some users in here and so it's very... um... disturbing that you keep at it with a fair amount of frequency. (Also, megalomaniacal)
 
12:41 AM
@Grace sim and I already talked about it.
 
user19161
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū quote
 
Ah, okay.
That's good.
 
As long as I am not making Hitler jokes. I was just making a hyperbole.
 
Mmkay
 
user19161
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Soon you will learn about hyperbolas and parabolas.
 
12:42 AM
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Can you not mention Hitler even as a reference like that?
 
@Jasper screaming like a girl
@sim ok. Sorry.
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Thank you.
 
i will now make refernce of King George The Third in place of.. You-Know-Who from now on.
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Use Voldemort. Even better.
 
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12:44 AM
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū reference
 
Hmmm.. how about Saint Dane?
 
That works too.
 
user19161
@simchona I gave up watching Harry Potter after the fifth one.
 
@JasperLoy The books are better.
 
@sim You know Pendragon?
I'm surprised.
 
12:45 AM
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū No, I looked it up.
 
user19161
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Only know pentagon and Pentagon.
 
user19161
And pen and dragon.
 
Some people say its better then HP and Lord of the Rings.
 
And snapdragons?
 
You guys should read it. It is 6th grade material, but still...
 
12:48 AM
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū You might like this:
Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell is the first novel by British writer Susanna Clarke. An alternative history set in 19th-century England around the time of the Napoleonic Wars, it is based on the premise that magic once existed in England and has returned with two men: Gilbert Norrell and Jonathan Strange. Centering on the relationship between these two men, the novel investigates the nature of "Englishness" and the boundary between reason and madness. It has been described as a fantasy novel, an alternative history, and a historical novel. The narrative draws on various Romantic literary ...
 
1:03 AM
Good evening folks
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Hello!
 
Hi!
 
@KitΘδς How did your project go?
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 It's not done yet, but thanks for asking.
 
@kit what project?
 
1:15 AM
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū I am building a website.
 
@KitΘδς Did you at least get your page-reloading thing working?
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Um, yes, I think I must have. Or I figured out a different way to do it. I've just had two very needed vacation days, so I've forgotten everything.
 
@KitΘδς Ah, nice. That's what I try to do every evening. Forget everything. Then when I arrive at the office in the morning, it's like, WTF? Who wrote this code? ... oh, it was me. sigh
 
How do you create your own web? with www.something.com and not tiny ulr or ect...
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū I don't handle that part.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Want to hear something awful?
 
1:20 AM
@KitΘδς sure
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 So launch is in nine days.
I have three pages left to test.
I have the prototype data to migrate.
I have to finish writing the manual.
AND
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū There's potentially a lot involved in setting up a website but the basics are: put some files on a computer that has a web-server (such as apache httpd, Microsoft IIS, etc), and put that computer on the internet.
and?
 
@Kit Don't let us ruin your big finish
 
I just realized that I made a incredibly stupid rookie mistake that I had meant to correct when I moved from the demo to building the live site and never did.
 
@kit O.o that must have been a disater.
 
1:23 AM
@KitΘδς A "now I have to retest everything" mistake, or "now I have to start over"mistake
 
Which will require me to rewrite a shitton of stored procedures and modify almost every page.
 
A minor thing.
Oh, so minor.
 
well, that's what deadlines are for. exceeding.
 
I used a natural key instead of an artificial one.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Can't. Cannot be done.
 
like, firstname+lastname?
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Like state issued student ID number.
 
oh, I think you'll find that just about any deadline can be exceeded if you try
hmmmmmmm
 
I have been fighting every stupid plan of my project leader for the last two months.
Every hint of expanding the scope.
 
1:25 AM
Hm... 9 days...
 
how often do student IDs change?
 
Because he insists, insists, that this will launch on Sept. 1st.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 It's not that so much as that the teachers enter them manually, so the chances of typos are high and the stored procedures are coded to expect a unique identifier.
 
you guys are kinda brave, I think, expecting a launch on sept 1 of, what sounds like, a beta project that hasn't seen its test users yet.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I wholeheartedly agree.
Emphatically.
Pounding my keyboard so.
 
Is this a research/teaching institution?
 
1:27 AM
@KitΘδς So the IDs don't change, but sometimes they are enrolled incorrectly?
and then the data needs to change because it was wrong to begin with
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Right. But the key needs to be unique regardless of whether it's correctly typed.
 
yeah, that sounds like an important bug. But what I'd do, at this point, is document it as a limitation for now and try to paper over it with a change-id feature (if possible). We used to have a similar problem in the database of the site I maintain, the original designers didn't know a primary key from their assholes and so they used the username as the key.
 
@Cerberus Yes.
Ish.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I feel so much better now.
I literally burst into tears when I realized that I'd never changed it.
 
OK, now I understand why those systems are always introduced so chaotically! But don't worry, if they are full of bugs, they're probably used to that, to some degree...
 
Effin' rookie mistake, that's what gets me.
And my project lead is such a prick.
 
1:31 AM
I hate him already. I wish we could fight him.
 
Of course, he doesn't knowa primary key from his asshole...
 
What you can maybe do, and I'm speculating because I don't know how much code you have here, but you could maybe just add a student ID later on, as an extra field, to the tables and forms that need it. Then populating that column becomes easy, because it's the record ID. Then you just start generating random IDs for the record ID field and change a few code paths to look up by the other ID.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Oh gosh, no, it's not that bad. The record ID is already there. I just don't use it like I meant to.
 
... so... you do, or don't, have foreign keys which point to a student record by the student id?
 
I actually use the student ID to retrieve the proper key in most of my sps. Which is why it's even dumber that it never registered that I was going to fix that.
I need to modify my pages so that I have access to the correct (internal) key, and modify my stored procedures to use that key instead of the student ID.
 
1:35 AM
@KitΘδς I guess I'm confused. At any given point in time, the student ID is an ID, right? it should uniquely identify a user.
er, a student
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 It theoretically should, but doesn't necessarily.
 
The student ID is state-issued, and entered by the teacher by hand.
 
@KitΘδς right, and then stored in the db
 
It's possible that a student is entered with an incorrect ID.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yes.
 
1:37 AM
@KitΘδς ok. Let's ignore what happens if you had duplicate IDs for a second.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 OK.
 
So you have, say, a class-enrolment form where a student can be registered for a course. The operator looks up the student by name or student_id (a search form, I presume), then from that point on throughout the flow an ID is passed around in an HTML form variable. that ID is submitted when the operator presses "submit" and a stored proc on the server modifies data. Something like that, right?
 
Yeah, something like that.
 
So that ID that is passed around, it's essentially opaque and it doesn't REALLY matter if it is a natural key or a synthetic one, right? As long as it doesn't change while the system is in use. Even if there are two keys which can identify a user (state-issued-id, record-id).
So if you put a unique constraint on the student id, you wouldn't have any issues, until a student wants to change his/her id, because it's wrong or it was updated by the state.
 
Let me think for a minute.
So you're thinking if I constrain the ID when it is entered, I could solve this problem until it can be fixed later?
 
1:43 AM
you hardly know that Minsk was listed by UNESCO as a town of uniqe architure - -namely stalin style
 
That might work...I am pretty sure that is the only time they are allowed to touch the student ID. The only problem then is making sure the IDs are unique in the data upload from the prototype database.
 
@KitΘδς without knowing all the details, I can't really say. And I don't know what will happen to your teachers when they try to enter in a duplicate id and it crashes on them (or something). But I'm reasoning about this as if you were using a username as the key in parts of the UI.
 
But that's do-able.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 No, that's a really good idea. I can handle that sort of error gracefully.
 
It papers over the problem a bit. It might be worth doing for now since your deadline is so close.
 
I like this plan. I really like this plan. I think that could work.
 
1:46 AM
Aw, SpareOom has been gone too long to ping. I wanted to tell her that NPR 88.5 has a really amusing story on right now about misattributed quotations. It's keeping me company while I clean.
Perhaps they'll have it online later.
 
In the old version of the site I maintain, EVERYTHING was done with usernames. send a message to a user? /SendMessage.do?otheruser=kit. Look at kit's profile? /ShowProfile.do?otheruser=kit
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Papering is OK by me. I have 64 webpages and probably two dozen stored procedures riding on it.
 
It worked fine for the simple case, where users never got deleted, and usernames never changed, and by gods they certainly didn't get re-used.
none of those assumptions were true, of course, so we had to change it. That meant adding a user_id to every friggin' table and changing every friggin' web form.
And we have maybe 3000 pages, once you factor in the CRM tools.
 
I don't need perfect. I just need time.
 
not to mention we had to do it to the site which was live, with running data. It was a multi-phase deployment.
 
1:48 AM
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Man, and I just shot my best descriptive pick on the last part.
 
phase 1: every piece of code has to be updated to WRITE the user id. that way, the data can be migrated and there is no gap, because in
 
But when you say "we," do you really mean you, or do you have a team?
 
phase 2: we stop reading the username and only read the user id
but still WRITE the username in case we need to roll back
phase 3: stop writing the username
I mean we, there was a team of us, I think probably 8 people worked on that change.
 
Phase 4: Start over again at the beginning.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 phew
 
We had to get it done in 3 deployments, and the deployments were weekly.
But like I said, there were lots of pages and no room for errors. But afterwards the system was much much better.
And you could change your username! finally.
 
1:51 AM
Ta Da!
 
(before, when you changed your username, the gymnastics and acrobatics required inevitably resulted in data loss. Yet that wasn't a big red-flag to the original devs. Actually I don't think they knew how to read.)
 
@KitΘδς Do students/teachers even have to be able to change the IDs for this release? You could enforce the uniqueness check when they create the student and then make them reenter the student if they did it wrong? Or is there too much student info to have to reenter?
 
Well, I have to get going. good luck with your project. bring lots of whiskey to the launch. If it goes well, you can drink it. If it goes poorly, you can light fires with it.
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@aediaλ That's what we just decided on actually. I think it will work. I'm pretty sure there is only one page where they can enter the ID.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Thanks, and thank you for that helpful delaying tactic.
 
If you have to release with bad user experience, you have to release with an error has occurred: [OK] [OK]
@KitΘδς Yay, wallpaper! Good luck.
 
1:58 AM
I think handling a matched student ID will take much less time than fixing the problem right now.
 
Don't forget some make my logo bigger cream. That'll help everything.
I gotta finish these stoopid dishes. I dunno how they keep spawning in here.
Have fun!
 
@aediaλ kisses
 
Hi!
@KitΘδς Isn't it ironic how your procrastinating here has actually helped your work (or potentially so)?
 
@Cerberus It's not procrastinating if I'm at home in bed.
 
Oh! Right. But you come here too during daytime.
 
2:10 AM
True. I get lots of programming help here.
And emotional support, which I desperately need.
 
Hehe.
 
See, Mr Shiny has "eight people" or so teams. Here, there is just an army of me.
 
Aww. Your superior sucks.
 
Well, my superior is great. My project lead sucks.
 
Right, whatever they call 'em!
 
2:38 AM
Now I must find my Bjork album.
 
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Boo!
 
user19161
@cerb How is thy thesis?
 
Hi!
In bad shape.
 
user19161
Thou shalt not come to chat then.
 
@JasperLoy Naughty! You should never ask a grad student about his thesis.
 
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2:41 AM
@KitΘδς Don't give him any sweets then.
 
@JasperLoy OK, I won't.
 
user19161
No sweets, no sucking, in case you don't get me.
 
@JasperLoy I don't get you.
 
user19161
@KitΘδς Use the left arrow. Get it?
 
@JasperLoy Are you suggesting that I not perform oral sex on my project lead?
 
2:44 AM
What devils you are bringing up!
The prick doesn't deserve that.
 
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@KitΘδς No, I am just talking about sucking sweets.
 
user19161
I am surprised by your extrapolation again.
 
@JasperLoy So what does sucking sweets have to do with my project lead?
@Cerberus The thought revolts me.
 
user19161
@KitΘδς Because you said he sucks. You are slow!
 
Normally it's Jasper who does the innuendo around here... now it's getting more complicated!
@KitΘδς Understandable!
 
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2:47 AM
@Cerberus No usually it is not me who starts it, I only add on to it now and then.
 
Cerberus said he sucks; I was just correcting him.
 
user19161
@KitΘδς You said your project lead sucks.
 
user19161
OK maybe I am wrong. Maybe lead does not mean leader.
 
@JasperLoy No, Cerberus said my superior sucks, and I was correcting him. He meant that my project lead sucks.
 
@JasperLoy And you add it liberally!
 
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2:49 AM
Now I am confused, as always!
 
@KitΘδς I don't know the titular particularities of your local hierarchy.
 
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I love the pink and the heart, so cheesy.
 
By the way, your avatar makes the corner of my eye think you are Aedia...
 
@Cerberus This is what I'm saying.
 
@KitΘδς I know. I was defending my earlier ignorance.
 
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2:51 AM
@Cerberus No, it is clear that one is a unicorn and the other is not, no confusion. I am starting to worry about thy eyesight.
 
@Cerberus I apologize. I didn't mean to point out your ignorance in such a flagrant fashion.
 
@JasperLoy I said the corner of my eye!
 
@JasperLoy I think you mean thine eyesight.
 
@KitΘδς It's all right. I am used to it in this room.
 
user19161
I chose the heart for a special reason. It's not anything you two can think of though.
 
2:54 AM
Really? That's too bad.
 
I hate unsolvable riddles! Which includes most riddles for me.
 
I was hoping the heart transplant came through.
 
Hey who starred that!
moue
 
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In fact I am not even sure about the heart, so I won't say more.
 
Vexing...
 
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2:58 AM
@KitΘδς Perhaps it did.
 
@JasperLoy So you're saying it is something I can think of?
 

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