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user19161

12:00 AM

There are too many things to care about if one wants to get into it. No need to lose sleep over minor stuff. Just focus on what's most important in life.

@simchona What a huge bunch of whiners.

user19161

What a huge bottle of wine.

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

@simchona usual. Mom lecturing me about how I am sopposed to get ready to go to Hackensack HighSchool, which you have 15% chance in attending there, but since it is mainly technology, I think I will like it.

@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Don't think about an accept rate, think about doing your best

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

thanks. :D

12:04 AM

I got into a college with about 14% acceptance. As long as you think it is a good fit (and you're not forcing it), you'll be fine

user19161

@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Think about what you want to do in life, and keep thinking about that. It changes as your life changes.

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

Well the thing is, I want to do computer software things, but I also want to the building stuff. I'm usualy good with using hands and stuff.

I would skip computer software until you can spell and punctuate.

@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū You can always do more mechanical things on your own.

user19161

@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū If you are not sure just keep your options open.

12:07 AM

i'm here to announce to you doubters that i fried a portabello mushroom in olive oil tonight, and it was delicious

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

@kit this is only because I type too fast.

user19161

And don't follow what anyone says either. Listen to everyone, think, and then make your own decisions.

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

@Js how did it taste like?

@Jasper thanks. :)

@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Then until you can type more carefully.

@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū like delicious fried mushroom with the lovely flavor of olive oil

user19161

12:08 AM

@JSBᾶngs I announce that I am having tea now.

@JSBᾶngs Man, you crazy!

@JasperLoy wonderful! what kind of tea?

@KitΘδς that's how i roll

user19161

@JSBᾶngs Just plain cheap Lipton tea sold in bags here.

@JSBᾶngs And that's what I love about you.

@JasperLoy We make iced tea out of that and leave it in the fridge

12:09 AM

@JSBᾶngs It's not exactly because I don't appreciate the idea, but I'm afraid I can't cheer along with the crowd. For, alas, I dislike fungi.

when frying in olive oil, use a lower flame to avoid burning the oil, but hopefully still cooking the food

user19161

@simchona OK, hope to have some of your tea one day.

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

My friends calls me Dracula becuase I drink Fruite Punch. :DD

@Cerberus All of it? Certainly not the single-cells!

@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū *Fruit

12:10 AM

@KitΘδς You got me there. I do like cheese and wine.

@Cerberus ah, well. you can try it with something else. onion, for example, would work well

user19161

@Cerberus Fungi can be pronounced in many ways, it is an interesting word, like garage.

@Cerberus Beer too?

And bread?

@JSBᾶngs That was not exactly my point. Read my convoluted sentence carefully.

@KitΘδς Certainly! As you know, I have a couple of wheat beers lying in the fridge. And some Heinekens.

user19161

@Cerberus Same here!

user19161

12:12 AM

@Cerberus We have Tiger beer here.

@Cerberus are you trying to pull some syntactic chicanery here?

user19161

@JSBᾶngs Fried onions are good. Raw ones are not.

@JasperLoy Hmm I'd pronounce it fun-jahi?

@JSBᾶngs Compare because and for.

So, yes.

@JSBᾶngs gasp ooh! chicanery

user19161

Yo @mana!

12:13 AM

@Cerberus i refuse to fall for your Dutch mind tricks

Hullo.

@JSBᾶngs Why? Just surrender your soul to the enticing rhythms.

This dude next to me waiting for the bus certainly is.

@JSBᾶngs I dare you to analyse the because clause as anything other than subordinate. It is even a complement.

He's blasting music out his phone like headphones never been invented.

And singing along, now.

user19161

12:16 AM

@aediaλ He might be Cerberus for all you know.

@aediaλ Oh, dear.

Punch him?

user19161

@aediaλ I used to do that on campus at 3 am on the roads.

Touch him inappropriately?

I don't mind.

@Cerberus hmmm, subordinate it is.

@JSBᾶngs Whoa.

12:17 AM

All the nouns in the song appear to be curse words.

user19161

@Cerberus Touch him where?

Odysseus, what happened to your stubborn intelligence?

@Cerberus don't blow your mind too hard, there, cowboy

@aediaλ He's trying to flirt with you.

user19161

Don't blow your mind, just blow your banana.

12:17 AM

in that particular example because is clearly introducing a subordinate clause

@JSBᾶngs bows

Auuuugh! I hope not!

user19161

@Cerberus I don't think so, you assume too much usually I think.

No no, you don't know men.

unfortunately, with that note i'm signing off. time to call my best friend on the west coast. bye!

12:18 AM

I'm with @Cerberus on this one; he's definitely flirting.

user19161

@JSBᾶngs Have a good night!

user19161

@KitΘδς I don't trust what you and Cerb say on most things. :)

Night @JSB!

@JSBᾶngs Bai!

@JasperLoy We are wise.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Yeah, night JSB, and night all.

Have fun.

user19161

12:20 AM

@Cerberus I have a feeling it is the opposite.

user19161

@RegDwightѬſ道 Sleep tight!

When the three wise men from the east arrived, one was I, the other shall remain nameless, and the third was really a woman, Kit.

Hahaha.

user19161

@Cerberus I am one of the three wise men Gaspar in case you forgot.

@Cerberus I might have been a man then.

12:21 AM

@JasperLoy That remains to be seen!

@KitΘδς No, not here.

@JasperLoy It's hard to listen to things you don't want to hear.

user19161

@Cerberus Wisdom is not seen. It is sensed by those who can.

user19161

@KitΘδς Because the things are not true.

@Cerberus That wasn't here. That was Gallilee, wasn't it?

@JasperLoy Sure. Whatever.

@JasperLoy Wisdom is not sensed, it is understood with the intellect.

12:22 AM

Turns out "sorry for the wait" is in the song. And now that we've boarded he's still humming it. Ew ew ew.

@KitΘδς Right, in that joint with the hot chicks!

user19161

@Cerberus That is a sense of sense.

user19161

I did it my way...

@Cerberus Oh yeah, the place with the killer mead...

@aediaλ The linguistic torture is getting the better of you?

12:23 AM

Maybe it's not in the song, maybe he just added that so there would be some words to emphasize as a really bad flirting attempt.

@JasperLoy Nope.

@KitΘδς Mead, absinthe, what didn't they have there!

user19161

Yo @bog!

@Cerberus Decent beds! Ha ha ha.

@aediaλ I still think it is those other words that were the flirt.

Bogdan Lataianu

@JasperLoy hi Jasper

12:24 AM

@KitΘδς Well, OK. But nobody had those outside Rome and perhaps Jerusalem.

@Cerberus It was like when you half-hear a conversation. You find it really hard to ignore because your brain keeps trying to make sense if it.

@aediaλ Yeah those are annoying...

Hi Morass!

"But honey, we already have handcuffs"

I mean Marsh.

user19161

Like I said we tend to project our own experiences on others. What we think someone is thinking may not be what he is thinking. What we do in a situation may not be right for another person's.

12:25 AM

Everyone should just decide for himself.

People have to learn for themselves, too.

user19161

The more I engage the world, the more I think I should just believe in myself.

user19161

That is just my own experience.

That's why advice pretty much only works if it's what you want to do anyway. Gotta make your own mistakes.

@aediaλ That is a difficult one. My mother always says, it is better to learn from the mistakes of others than from your own.

user19161

12:29 AM

The principle is: listen to everyone, think, decide on your own.

Yeah.

If it were easy we'd know what we were doing by now.

user19161

I know I am having tea now.

user19161

And I will continue to ponder on the question I have been pondering on the last couple of days.

user19161

We can ponder, as long as we do not fall into the pond.

12:32 AM

@Cerberus Not so. Remember that place in Philadelphia? Where we got the donkeys with the funny black markings and the black manes? That place had nice beds.

user19161

Of course, we can even ponder in the pond if we like a swim.

@JasperLoy Me too!

Cheers!

user19161

@KitΘδς looks at Kit suspiciously

@JasperLoy What?

@KitΘδς Those were beds? Damn I thought they were hookers.

Those black markings were really nice, though.

user19161

12:33 AM

@KitΘδς Suspicion of you having tea.

having too too, as always

@JasperLoy What's suspicious about my tea drinking?

user19161

@KitΘδς That you may not really be having it. Well, I believe you, that was a joke.

user19161

finishes last drop of tea

eyes Jasper warily

user19161

12:35 AM

Tea warms you when you are cold. Tea cools you when you are warm. I hope to find my tea soon.

user19161

Or maybe my tea will find me.

@Cerberus I think you are thinking of Scythopolis.

Those girls at the hippodrome.

Ooh.

The Amazones, of course.

user19161

Bye! In the meantime, I will ponder on my tea.

@Cerberus Maybe yours was. Mine had both breasts.

12:40 AM

Drat, I missed @Jasper. Wasn't fast enough on this phone. I was trying to come up with a joke about tea balls and loose tea, but it just wasn't coming together.

You could reminisce with Cerb and I about our journeys in the ancient lands, if you like.

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

@Kit I'd rather run in undergroud chemical zone. They have problems with speed, and I like it!

@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Sonic!

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

@Kit yo.

@Chaosg I might get my horn caught in one o'them carousel rings! It's hard to run down there.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

12:49 AM

Are you guys seriously discussing the old sonic the hedgehog games? People remember those? I didn't imagine it all?

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

@Shiny Nope. Underground Chemical ZOne really does exist. :)

@MrShinyandNew安宇 We just got classic Sega games for my son.

Mushroom Hill Zone was the best

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

@Kit I hope it was good.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitΘδς I think my brother actually still has multiple working Genesis systems, including Sonic 2.

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

12:51 AM

@Mana ahhh.. good old jungle...

The part where it gets set on fire was a stunning transition from act to act

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

Does anybody remember the good old Starlight zone? :D

Mushroom Hill Zone wasn't just the best, it was like, the only one I remember being able to play.

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

Oh, and Metropolis zone. It was like, OMG I hate this level.

We didn't have a gaming system though so I had to make do with playing at friends' houses and then a PC adaptation.

1:10 AM

Dinner! See y'all. (P.S. I just learned there is a way to edit last from mobile!)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

1:21 AM

So I'm writing an android app. What should it do?

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Work.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@simchona As in, operate correctly without errors?

If that's all, then it's done.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Easy button: that was easy.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

hm... I could make it a magic-8-ball of sorts. Only instead of yes/no answers, it just quotes the EL&U chat transcript, at random.

Magic Android 8 Ball, what should I eat today?

4 hours ago, by KitΘδς

Mmm, sloppy Greek calques. My favorite.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

1:26 AM

@simchona yeah, exactly.

That'd be funny

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Genius.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitΘδς Now that I've told you my idea, I need to actually do it, I suppose, or you'll all know that I'm lazy.

Nah. It's be too much effort for me to care if you're lazy.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Or you can say you had a better idea and you're just fleshing it out

1:30 AM

Prototyping.

Creative process

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Those are all good. But the real reason would be hanging out here. Or maybe sleeping. Or reading Dance with Dragons.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 "Recharging for a smoother creative flow"

I fixed it.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Yeah, "recharging", nudge, nudge, wink wink.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Ya know what I mean? Ya know what I mean?

Is this on topic?

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Q: Looking forward/forwards to your reply

I always wonder whether I should say "looking forwards to your reply" or "looking forward to your reply", which one should I say in a email?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

1:38 AM

I'd say it's on topic. But then a lot of people around here have a narrower view of what the site should be.

narrower than me, I mean.

I think it could be a dupe. Backward/backwards etc.

user19161

@simchona Do we ever say look forwards?

user19161

@KitΘδς Different because it is specifically in the context of look forward.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

The COCA doesn't seem to have a single match for "looking forwards"

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

na na na na na, na na na na na na, na na na, na na na, (repeat)

anybody reconise the song? :)

user19161

1:42 AM

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Exactly so this question is actually pretty interesting.

I think "looking forward to" is idiomatic/phrasal

@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Hard to miss.

but you can otherwise switch them around

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

@kit Yep.

It's a dupe.

3

Q: Forward vs Forwards

As an adverb, what is the difference between forward and forwards?

Dupe dupe de dupe.

1:43 AM

But he's not asking as an adverb

It's a dupe.

user19161

@KitΘδς Not dupe because look forward is a phrasal verb I say.

Idiomatic phrase

user19161

@KitΘδς Bolding does not make you more right, don't be Joe Blow.

user19161

One's words should be able to stand on their own, with or without bold, or ellipses...

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

1:45 AM

@Jasper Joe Blow Blows!

user19161

@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Bieber blows bubbles.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@simchona, darn you, you beat me to it and you even have a graph. Do you use a tool for that, or something?

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

alliterations. :)

@MrShinyandNew安宇 NGrams

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Like, some kind of auto-ngram-poster?

ChaosGamer ΕΛ-Υ ēel-ū

1:48 AM

@Mr she beat me to the sinister answer, too.

user19161

Women can multitask. That's why they are faster here.

@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū And I use sources

user19161

I never use any source, except the occasional dictionary.

I <3 the OED

user19161

I have no access to that, and I don't use it myself since I like simple words.

1:52 AM

@JasperLoy It has etymologies that I can trust

user19161

@simchona Therefore I don't answer or ask etymological questions here. Not interesting to me.

user19161

I am not a history person.

To each his own

Yeah the OED is the best etymological source I have.

Is there any other good etymological dictionary?

user19161

OED is good for etymologies. QED

user19161

1:55 AM

QED should be found in the OED.

It is.

> Q.E.D., Q.E.F., Q.E.I., = quod erat demonstrandum (also as n. phr.), faciendum, inveniendum, ‘which was to be demonstrated, done, found’.

user19161

I was just showing off my sentence constructions.

user19161

You don't understand me that well @cerb!

QED.

user19161

I know QED from mathematical texts. But nowadays they just use the small black box to denote the end of a proof, which is neater.

1:58 AM

But QED is more aesthetically pleasing!

user19161

QED should be abolished, together with all Latin words!

user19161

The box looks better.

user19161

I try to use zero Latin abbreviations in my writing.

@JasperLoy How dare you! grrrr

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