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8:00 PM
@JSBᾶngs I think he is suicidal.
 
I don't think he is
but I only have chat and an email to go on
 
@MattEllenД i don't think any of us has more than that to go on
but, wow, we need to help him if this is the case
 
@KitΘδς Why do you think so?
 
sorry, gotta go right now, but i'll check back in later
 
@Cerberus He is despairing and hopeless.
 
8:02 PM
On second thoughts, maybe he is. But I'm only basing that on something my ex told me about herself a while back that I'm not going to put into the transcript
 
Well, @Matt, just keep talking to him.
 
@KitΘδς But aren't many people like that who aren't really suicidal?
I have no idea.
 
Gotta go guys. ttyl.
I miss Jasper saying have a nice kimchi whenever I leave.... :((
 
@Cerberus Yes, but people who are like that and aren't suicidal generally don't have a history of severe childhood trauma.
 
@KitΘδς Hmm OK.
 
8:05 PM
But I am also very opinionated. That doesn't make me right.
 
@KitΘδς you're also well educated
 
One of the kids I tutored sprang from the roof. It was horrible, I had no fucking clue. He always seemed cheerful and extremely nice, a promising kid, school went OK, he was in all sorts of artistic programmes.
 
And I've been depressed and suicidal before too.
@Cerberus That's hard. That's really hard.
 
And the absolute worst part was this:
He had been been talking about it with his mother, hypothetically, and she told him it was "his own choice". She was some kind of hippie.
 
Oh, she must feel awful!
 
8:07 PM
Oh, well, it was a year or so ago. And I have kids who were absolutely miserable but got over it too.
@KitΘδς Thank God I've never met her.
 
Well, Jas's attention seeking behavior would lead me to believe that he might make an attempt, but not actually want to die.
 
@KitΘδς Hmm...
 
As long as he wants attention, he's still engaged in the world, even if it's painful.
 
@KitΘδς I was hoping that his talk of his problems was also because he just wanted attention.
Yeah.
 
He wants people to show him that they care.
 
F'x
8:11 PM
“The proposal to create a French Language & Usage Stack Exchange site has moved on to beta!” — /me yips!
 
@KitΘδς That's what I thought and hoped.
@Fx Congrats!
 
@Fx yay!
 
DL&U isn't quite so far.
 
Dirty language and usage? That surprises me.
 
@MattEllenД You know me!
 
8:13 PM
:D
 
@MattEllenД I can't believe I didn't receive a personal invitation for that one.
 
French in French is, if I had to not have accents or special characters, "francais", right?
 
@KitΘδς Really? I would have thought they'd have you down to "moderate"
 
@GraceNote Yep.
 
Alright. Registering...
 
8:14 PM
@MattEllenД Ha ha ha. I am the antithesis of moderate.
 
Jez
argh
FL&U has just come into beta and i've already a problem.
 
F'x
@Jez what then?
 
Oh?
 
all your questions already have answers?
 
Jez
one-letter edits are not allowed. I remember reading about this a while back on some meta site and it was decided that they were a bad idea... but so often typos are one-letter edits.
I suppose you deal with it by having mods deal with them?
but as we're right at the start of beta we don't have mods
 
F'x
8:16 PM
@Jez and 10k+ users
 
Jez
yes, we're not quite at that level yet either
 
@KitΘδς I guess on that site you'd have to be a flamboyant
 
Hexes! My images of my plans for the French site are all inexplicably really blurry!
@Jez Doesn't everyone have edit privileges at the private beta? If not, doesn't it come relatively soon?
 
Jez
@GraceNote no.
well, i don't.
wow, 6 answers in 5 minutes. people are seriously keen!
 
Ah, edit is 500 reputation.
Not too high, though no one will really get that in the first day.
 
8:30 PM
good morning!
 
hi @simchona :)
 
I emailed Jasper
he emailed back, so this is my reply
 
Jez
@GraceNote and even then, 1-character edits aren't allowed, are they?
 
@Jez If you have edit privileges they are
 
Jez
ah
does it jump from 500 after the thing goes into public beta?
 
8:41 PM
It changes to... lessee...
Jumps to 1000.
 
Jez
argh this is mad
so much happening i can't keep up. chat, meta, main. comments, questions, answers...
 
@Lauren: Will the 'swag' be for all the people who were in the top X percentile a few months ago (when it was announced), or now?
 
8:57 PM
@simchona Oh that's cool! Did he give you his address? How did he sound?
 
@Cerberus He didn't say much (his email is in a starred comment somewhere). He sounds...I'm not sure. Almost like he was saying goodbye, but that could be because he left SE
 
@simchona That doesn't sound good !?
 
@Cerberus I really don't know
 
@simchona What is your reply? I think I missed something
 
Right, I see it.
 
9:00 PM
Can someone remind this guy to accept an answer?
23
A: Did "Mrs" originally imply possession?

simchonaMrs is the written form of missus. The EtymOnline entry writes: corruption of mistress; as oral form of Mrs., from 1790; the missus “the wife” attested by 1833. Tracing back further to the entry for mistress uncovers: early 14c., "female teacher, governess," from O.Fr. maistresse, fem. ...

Nicely? For the 2 pts of rep he gets?
 
@simchona Part of me wants to do it while busting a rhyme.
 
@GraceNote Beatmaster GraceNote
 
@simchona he's not been here since he asked the question. I doubt he's coming back :(
 
@MattEllenД He might see a ping.
 
that's true.
he was on SO today
 
9:03 PM
You can be the bounty hunter.
 
@simchona I has commented
 
Thankee kindly
Well, I'm off for now
 
cya later, probably in about 11 hours !
 
Bye!
 
good evening
Nice that you are here @Cerberus
 
9:09 PM
You want?
Haha.
 
who doesn't?
 
Yeah!
 
I wanted to know how "Anneke van Giersbergen" is pronounced
 
OK let me type it in IPA.
 
And I didn't want to tap the Enter too soon (dumb soft laptop keyboard)
 
9:12 PM
@simchona Have a good... lunch? Is it your lunch? It's probably lunch there, right? I'm hungry again.
 
@aediaλ Unicorns! I don't know, always wanting to eat something. you're like magical goats.
 
@rumtscho /'a-nə-kə van 'xiːrs-bɛrxə/, but van will easily become /fa/ in casual speech. My IPA my not be completely right, but it will be reasonably close.
 
@Cerberus OK, so the G really becomes more of a sound which would be written with a h in other languages?
 
I'm especially uncertain about the a and the r. But they must be close.
@rumtscho Yes, sort of.
Let me find you an example on Forvo.
 
I've never had an idea of how dutch is pronounced. Except for the one time a Dutch man told me talking in Dutch can be mistaken for fighting cats.
 
9:17 PM
That "gier" is exactly as I'd pronounce it in Giersbergen.
@rumtscho Haha, yes, our g/ch (always sounds like /x/ except in foreign words) is often considered ugly.
 
@MattEllenД Mmm. You made me think of goat cheese. I had some that was incredible just the other day.
 
I then saw the transliteration of the name as Анеке ван Хирсберхн and was very surprised. That's why I wanted to ask.
 
OK. From what I know of Cyrillic, that may be much like my IPA, right?
 
@aediaλ I've not often had goats cheese. Does it come in different styles? Can you get goat Brie for instance?
 
Yes there's all kinds of goat cheese! But it will never taste like cow cheese.
 
9:21 PM
@Cerberus The end is different, if it is the same sound as in the English word "farmer". But Cyrillic is not that specific, so it goes with the slightly wrong transliteration.
 
Great, now I am hungry for Goat Cheese
 
@Cerberus hmmm, do you find it better or worse?
 
I speak German, and written Dutch has always looked like 35% German and 25% English to me, with some misleading endings thrown in. So I tend to imagine it is pronounced like German.
Obviously, I was very wrong.
 
@rumtscho Right, the n at the end in Cyrillic is how perhaps some Dutch dialects would pronounce it, and how I would pronounce it on the telephone, if I had to make sure you understood the name correctly. But the n at the end is normally not pronounced in Dutch.
@rumtscho It sounds a bit like the northern German dialects, Plattdütsch.
 
@MattEllenД It has a characteristic taste, a tangy or tart flavor. I would think it has properties that mean it can't easily be made into some kinds of cheese. I have most often encountered softer goat's milk cheeses, and never, for example, a goat's milk cheddar.
 
9:24 PM
@MattEllenД Goat cheeses can be good, though I generally prefer cow cheese for everyday food. But I'm not really an expert...
 
@Cerberus The transliteration of "The Gathering" is "Дъ гедъринг". So I think Ms. van Giersbergen got the better deal.
 
@rumtscho Haha, yes, she did. That d and ng sound wrong; am I right?
 
@aediaλ interesting.
 
@aediaλ There are goat's milk cheeses of all types. I haven't seen cheddar, but I've eaten goat's gouda. You can make cheese from practically any milk, the trouble is to get it out of the animal first.
 
@rumtscho Goat's gouda? Awesome!
 
9:27 PM
16
Q: Why is there cow cheese but no pig cheese?

BrizioI have always wondered what there is no cheese made by other milks either than cow, goat or sheep. Are they not suitable for humans? Do they taste bad? Is it even possible to make dairy products with them?

 
I'm guessing the answer to that question is: Pigs are too tasty to be kept around long enough to milk. mmmmm bacon
 
@Cerberus The d is quite wrong, but at least to me, sound better than the "z" Germans pronounce when confronted with the hard "th" sound. The "ng" has a more pronounced "g" than the original.
 
good night all you tasty morsels
 
@rumtscho OK that's what I thought. I agree that the z is even worse. It's also often s when Dutchmen pronounce it, in voiceless th, as in Ethel.
 
Now I want a hard cheddar and some chèvre. It's hours until I'm home for dinner. Who started this!? Shouldn't oughtn't to be able to make me hungry glares at stomach.
 
9:31 PM
@MattEllenД Night!
 
@MattEllenД Adios!
 
Food...
I have a crème brûlée sitting in the fridge... not the best ever, but still quite good.
 
@Cerberus The Germans do the exactly same thing. Funny how Germans and Dutch don't pronounce their languages in the same way, but make the same mistakes when pronouncing English.
And I don't know many Germans who speak Plattdütsch. More Bairisch and Schwäbisch.
 
@rumtscho It's just that we don't have θ or ð, so we pick the sound we do have that comes closest.
Plattdeutsch. Or however they write it.
 
@Cerberus I hope you didn't go to the trouble finding a video for me. I'm on vacation, using metered mobile Internet, so I don't open videos out of fear the package will be used up too quickly.
 
9:47 PM
Hehe.
Don't worry.
 
I made a picture? Everything will be rainbows and sunshine?
 
@aediaλ Awwww.
That is the cutest thing I have ever seen.
I like it really, really very much.
 
@aediaλ Did I just barge in in the middle of a new crisis? Or why do you ask for rainbows and sunshine?
 
I took the picture when I was on vacation. It is the bay beach near the tip of Cape Cod (to the left, you can see the monument in Provincetown).
@rumtscho Jasper is the one who needs the rainbows and sunshine, so I am beaming them to him.
 
@aediaλ I'd be really touched if I got that.
 
9:54 PM
@aediaλ Did anything happen to him?
 
@rumtscho He deleted his account, because a few lines of his were deleted from chat.
He felt that whoever wasn't happy with those lines should have contacted him.
 
@Cerberus Oh, OK. I got scared that he is in hospital or something. I mean, it's sad to leave a community over such a thing, but RL is so much more cruel than the Internet.
 
I think his real life sounds as if it may have been difficult too.
 
He's motioning to delete the account.
 
@aediaλ I wish him the best then. I have nothing to send him, but I hope he sees your pic and gets his rainbows.
 
9:59 PM
@Cerberus Speaking of that... If you are planning on emailing Jasper, would you pass it along to him?
 
Motioning?
 
I realized it may be some time before I can get to my personal email (still at work).
 
@GraceNote Can't a user here delete his own account?
 
@aediaλ Sure! But wouldn't you want to send it to him yourself?
Ah OK.
 
@Cerberus We always give users some time to think over their decision.
@rumtscho No.
 
10:00 PM
@GraceNote Yeah I know, so motioning means the first step towards deletion.
 
@GraceNote This sounds a bit harsh. Almost Facebook-like.
 
@aediaλ Don't you want to put your name on it?
 
@Cerberus I know at least you're not still at work at 23:00 or whatever it is over there :)
 
@rumtscho Why harsh?
@aediaλ True!
 
@Cerberus It looks like me, right? :)
 
10:01 PM
@aediaλ Hehe fair enough.
I'll send it.
 
@rumtscho Deletion is irreversible, and a lot of people commit a lot to their contributions. As such we make deletion difficult to make sure it doesn't happen without confirming that the owner of the account is absolutely certain behind the action.
 
@Cerberus Thank you!
 
@Cerberus Because as a user, I like to think that I have that much control over my own account. I'd like to be able to delete it if I feel like it, instead of having to go through hoops for it, and wonder if the site owner will ever allow it or not.
 
@GraceNote Seems reasonable.
 
@rumtscho We're always of the "delete unless they reconsider" venue, not the "give us a good case"
 
10:03 PM
@GraceNote So is it just a delayed process? Or is there the possibility that StackExchange will refuse a motion for deletion?
 
@rumtscho That's something I like on most sites, but when you license your work with a CC license, I do think it makes sense to be sure someone doesn't want public attribution anymore.
 
@rumtscho Well, if they say they will allow it but with some cool-down time...
 
@rumtscho We've never refused a deletion outside of the person reconsidering.
 
@GraceNote OK, that sounds better then.
 
Heh. I understand your concern. It is a bit unusual at times when you think of that kind of policy.
 
10:06 PM
"Motioning for" sounded like a parliament member who is begging for the right to say something even when he knows that the other MPs won't listen to him anyway, if they've come to work at all.
 
So basically there is a chance Jasper comes back
theoretical
 
@rumtscho I'm not exactly the wisest in my word choices. Sometimes I pick words that mean things horribly different than what I intend because they're the first word that comes to mind that is remotely associated with the concept I wish to portray.
 
@GraceNote This happens to me all the time, too. I just thought that this time, you're using a word entrenched in SE processes, after deliberately choosing it as the one most descriptive of the action in question.
@GraceNote on another topic, who is your newest avatar? I thought you had settled on one. Or is this another picture of the post girl?
 
@rumtscho I'm going to go back to Linda (my Gaming gravatar) eventually, but I decided to have a little fun swapping my image every so often for some time.
This is Yu-ri. She is self-propelled artillery.
 
@GraceNote Anthropomorphized weapons? What a terrible thought. Probably not too strange for a game designer, but still.
 
10:19 PM
@Aedia: Sent.
 
not making deleting an account easily is a trick some websites use
I am not saying SE does that
 
Yeah it seems wise in general. Though it can be frustrating if you're really sure.
 
others like Facebook just deactivate it, not delete-another trick
why do you think is wise @Cerberus ?
 
@BogdanLataianu Because people sometimes do things in the spur of the moment that they come to regret soon after.
I have a very laid-back temperament, but I do something like that occasionally.
 
some websites do not allow deleting at all..which is really bad...
 
10:27 PM
@BogdanLataianu Yeah that goes too far.
 
@rumtscho Well, my Game Dev avatar is a game development company.
 
except that making it more difficult: who do you ask to delete? why would you ask him/her ? makes shy people keep their accounts
or those who dont have time to investigate
 
@GraceNote The dark haired girl with the green bow? She is a company in herself?
 
@rumtscho Aye. She is Idea Factory. In a game where you play an abandoned Sega console who has to face off against the Wii, the 360, and the PS3
 
@BogdanLataianu Perhaps it isn't so bad to make people think about what they're doing that way? In any case I'm not definitely opposed to it.
 
10:32 PM
@Cerberus but actually i think it is easy to be out of an account in SE, you don't need moderator approval
 
@GraceNote Hmm, I don't play much nowadays, but I guess I'd have liked such a meta game if I was a gamer.
 
@BogdanLataianu No? Then how come Jasper's still hasn't been deleted?
 
@rumtscho Eh, it's a niche hit. Love the meta-ness, though. Also IF is adorable.
 
let me find out how I did it
 
Well, not as adorable as Gust (a company famous for making games starring cute girls with hats that run item shops is represented by - a cute girl with a hat running an item shop), but cute nonetheless!
Aw nerts, keyboard out of battery
 
10:36 PM
@Cerberus ah if you have no activity on the account you can delete it yourself
 
@BogdanLataianu Ah OK, makes sense.
 
@GraceNote You almost make me want to change my avatar to somebody cute too.
Only my favorite medium is books, so I don't have a visual representation of my favorite characters.
 
@rumtscho Look hard enough and you'll find people who go crazy about that.
If people are willing to draw random people on the internet that they've never met as cute girls, then there's going to be renditions of things from books as well. Naturally, Alice in Wonderland is the most popular but you could find stuff if one endeavored to look far enough.
 
@GraceNote About what, books?
 
@rumtscho Drawing characters from books
 
10:41 PM
@Cerberus Thanks!
 
Sure there is fanart of books. But if I want to post Liesel Meminger from The book thief as my avatar, and somebody has drawn her, there isn't much sense of using the drawing.
 
@aediaλ He'd better like it, haha.
@aediaλ By the way, I wonder whether he is reading the transcripts. He might very well be.
 
Only people who know both the book and the artist's work will recognize the avatar.
 
Hmm... Guys should I change my gravater into MJ?
 
@Cerberus I thought that a possibility too, but email works better just in case :)
Now I must run to the bus!
 
F'x
10:42 PM
howdy, FL&U is buzzing crazy!
 
@aediaλ Yeah I know.
 
@rumtscho Point taken
 
F'x
and the chat isn't bad either
 
With a video game, you probably get people thinking "Idea factory. Yes, that's a good game. I like this user, he has taste".
 
Bye!
 
10:43 PM
How is it going there @f'x?
 
@rumtscho Well, then I go to the lengths that I did with, say, my Area 51 avatar.
 
Maybe I should join...
 
@aediaλ bye and have a nice dinner when you get home
@GraceNote I think I'll keep your profile page open from now on, just in case. #
 
Oh, I can't....
 
F'x
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū a few more “easy” questions than I'd like, but otherwise going fine
I wonder if private beta implies private chat :)
can you guys check if you can get into chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/1098/french-language-and-usage
 
10:44 PM
Guys, should I?
 
So what about her? The pink-haired girl with the cake?
 
Did you draw her yourself?
 
You know what we need? Korean Language and Usage!
 
10:46 PM
the bounty was not really bad in terms of points
 
Or is there one already?
 
i lost 50 but i got back and more from those who voted my q&a
 
@GraceNote Has anybody recognized her?
 
@rumtscho Only one so far that I know of.
 
@simchona, I was wonering, should I change my gravater into MJ?
 
10:49 PM
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū What is MJ?
 
F'x
et maintenant, cross-polinisation time: some French on the EL&U chat :)
 
Michael Jackson! Duh!
Dirty Dian-na, na
 
@simchona you asked about the bounty incident but you conflated the incident too
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū If you want to, go right ahead--it's your profile, and I can't spellcheck an image :p
 
i mean inflamed
 
10:51 PM
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū OK, I recognize the name :) wasn't familiar with the abbreviation.
 
Hmmm.. I'll consider it.
 
@gracenote Is the cake part of the game, or why is she holding it?
 
@BogdanLataianu Whoops, totally responded to the wrong thing. But I am with the people who think the bounty was a bad idea.
 
@simchona ? What did you type?
 
@rumtscho Cho'Gath is a nightmare beast from the void whose ultimate skill, "Feast", devours a target.
 
10:54 PM
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū I thought Bogdan was talking about your question on Meta about accept rate. I conflated "bounty" with "accept rate" and thought he was yelling at me for that
 
Ok, lets not get into arguement about my question.
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Meta.SO is a handy resource to check first if you have a question about the way EL&U works (votes, accepts, etc.).
 
I'll take note of that.
 
By the time 3 more months is up, you'll have so many resources that you'll be able to answer any question on SE
 
I like the details in the anime chogath, with beauty spots and all. But some teeth could have made her more recognizable, especially when shown in half height.
 
11:04 PM
Ahha
 
I hate it.
I have tethered my laptop to my phone over bluetooth, using the phone's Internet connection.
The phone is on the charger.
And the combination of bluetooth and gprs uses up a full battery within 3 hours.
I understand that it happens when the phone is used on the road, but when it is connected to the mains, it should be able to cover its energy from the grid, instead of discharging at a higher rate than it is charging.
I think I'll go to bed now, just noticed it's 2:13 AM here.
Good night all.
 
G'nite @rumtscho!
 
Night!
 

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