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6:00 PM
@aediaλ Yes, and the marks will carry over outside Office...
 
The best part was how the characters would talk when you let the game go idle. And there were no recorded voices, so you had to watch and read quickly. I would read it aloud to my little brother.
 
@Cerberus Haha!
 
@Cerberus I am never going to get this image out of my mind.
 
@aediaλ And they didn't talk poo?
@aediaλ I'm sorry, but it is all for your own good, like Clippy.
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Now even you don't like them any more.
 
No, I think they are adorable.
ok, now I'm starting to speak like a girl... girly scream
 
6:02 PM
@Cerberus No, they would talk with each other, about the landscape near their house, or hobbies... I think Bulldog did talk about going for walks, but certainly not poo.
 
Hmm too bad.
 
I got good at some of the games so I would have to start putting in the "serious" players but I almost always included Bulldog or one of those two little girls on the bottom right.
Some of the other characters are Sierra software in-jokes, like in the middle right side, there is King Graham, and below him Rosella. We had Kings' Quest IV so it was funny. They would talk about how they had to get back to their kingdom.
 
Haha wow.
The dog looks more serious than he is, I suppose.
 
I think he would pretend to be gruff but he was really softhearted.
I don't think he would have been among my favorites otherwise.
 
Yeah that's the way dogs are.
 
6:11 PM
The animation was pretty simple. His nose basically moved up and down and ears may have wiggled.
But you could tell he wouldn't really bite.
 
Not even to defend his mistress?
I have to go buy food... later!
 
Hasta luego!
 
how to reply to drm65?
 
@BogdanLataianu Hmm?
 
or others who have special characters in the first 3 letters?
 
6:20 PM
@BogdanLataianu Oh. Um, you can find a previous message of his in chat and click "reply" to that.
 
the only way you can do it is to go to their page and copy and paste their name
not in chat, in the main site
or maybe you can answer
 
On the main site I'm not sure how it'll work, but you can try copying and pasting their name after the @ sign. That's what I usually do, anyway, for a lot of names in comments, especially if I'm not sure how to spell someone's name.
 
what does drm65 mean by " you are a fluent speaker tips hat to RegDwight."?
 
I saw that one. He was talking about native speakers, so then he mentioned that while RegDwight isn't a native speaker, he certainly is fluent. "Tipping one's hat" is something you do to acknowledge respect or give credit.
 
@BogdanLataianu RegDwight is a very good speaker of English, but it is not his first or even second language. Tipping his hat is a gesture of respect.
@aediaλ Jinx!
 
6:23 PM
oh thanks I didn't know that
 
You might see people say "hat tip to Jane" to mean "part of the credit goes to Jane; acknowledgments to Jane for providing some of this info," that kind of thing. Or, as drm65 used it, to mean more like "I didn't forget about you and I respect you" (I'm putting words in his mouth, of course, but it's a bit like that).
You could ask about the origin if you can't find it in a dictionary, actually. I'm not sure if it really does come from literally tipping one's hat. No one I know wears hats anymore!
 
It's from literally tipping your hat.
 
Wikipedia has it but no references. Perhaps it's so commonly known it doesn't need them?
A hat tip is an act of tipping or (especially in British English) doffing one's hat as a cultural expression of recognition, respect, gratitude, greeting, or simple salutation and acknowledgement between two persons. In Western societies of the 19th and early 20th centuries, a hat tip was a common non-verbal greeting between friends or acquaintances while walking on a sidewalk or meeting at a social gathering. Typically, two men (female hat tipping was rare) would lift or tip their hats to each other, rather than exchange words of greeting. Where the ritual was used to emphasize social d...
 
I still think it's interesting, the fact that people used to wear hats all the time.
 
I almost wish we wore hats, still, because a nod of acknowledgment is like, so not as obvious and useful.
Whoops, meeting time!
 
6:28 PM
How come we do not need hats any more, and they did?
OK bye!
 
I still wear a hat regularly.
 
And I thought you needed food, @Cerberus? Don't starve!
 
@KitΘδς I'm having a déja-vu now...
 
@Cerberus i think it's a great tragedy of style in the western world that hat-wearing fell out of fashion
 
@aediaλ I went to the shop!
 
6:29 PM
@KitΘδς You've got nine months of winter! That doesn't count.
 
@JSBᾶngs Well, perhaps. Hats do look nice, but they are uncomfortable.
I we've talked about this before...
But I'm still wondering!
 
@Cerberus i actually hate wearing a hat, so i suppose i should agree with you. but they look so classy!
 
Agreed.
 
I don't know where you people live, but here, hat wearing is still very stylish.
 
So how come people have worn hats for centuries?
 
6:31 PM
Of course, most people wear baseball caps.
 
Hardly anyone here wears hats, unless it's freezing.
Right, the tradition is being upheld in black culture!
And their tradition is aped by other youngsters.
 
What? Black culture? Try Red Sox Nation, baby!
 
@KitΘδς red sox? up in maine?
 
@JSBᾶngs Who else?
Red Sox Nation is the largest nation in the world.
 
the green sleeves?
 
6:34 PM
Yeah OK, it probably originated in baseball, but it is now most strongly upheld by rappers and such, isn't it?
 
@KitΘδς i suppose that is the closest team. i was going to say one of the NY teams at first, because in my head (unlike reality) NY is further north than Boston
@Cerberus no, baseball caps are a universal of american young men
 
@JSBᾶngs hsst How dare you even think about NY teams?
My regular hat is like this:
Although I also have a Boston hat.
 
my wife has a hat similar to that one
 
sort of like a flapper's hat?
 
It's called a bucket hat.
Sort of like a flapper hat, but squarer.
Or not as rounded.
A flapper hat would be molded felt, without seams.
 
6:37 PM
@JSBᾶngs Hmm but they usually come with slightly baggy clothes here...?
@KitΘδς That hat looks fine. But do you know many adult men who wear hats? It looks a bit artsy-fartsy.
 
@Cerberus slightly baggy clothes are also near-universal in american young men. maybe slightly less universal than baseball caps, though. anyway, baseball caps do not have any particular association with rappers or black culture here
 
@Alenanno I remember when I was in Italy, ants came in the room and the service woman said "formica". I was "wow". In Romanian formica=furnica
 
@BogdanLataianu Latin = formica
 
@Cerberus If by "atrsy-fartsy" you mean dapper as all hell, then I agree.
 
I like the word dapper
 
6:41 PM
@KitΘδς Hehe. I didn't say I didn't like it; just that it is quite something when one my friends wears a hat. He will get comments. Unless he's generally artsy-fartsy: then it will be expected of him. But it's not something that everyone always wears like the days of yore.
 
I don't see what you have against hats.
Also, I don't see what this page validation has against me.
 
Nothing!
 
They're no good, I tell you. They bring shame on any neighbourhood they're seen in.
 
I'm just saying they aren't common.
 
it's a sign of degeneracy
or am I thinking of pimps?
 
6:43 PM
@MattEllenД LOL
 
@JSBᾶngs Perhaps they aren't very strongly connected with black culture here either. It's just that the first scene that comes to mind when I think of baseball caps is either baseball or black rappers in a music video.
 
Funny. I think "snapperheads."
 
When a friend of mine talks about Moroccans, he calls them "petjes", which means hats/caps, because they will be wearing baseball caps, typically fake Louis Vuitton ones.
 
Louis Vuitton makes baseball caps? bwuh?
 
Louis Vuitton baseball caps?
 
6:45 PM
I don't think so.
 
Gah!
 
They wear either L.V. or Burberry caps.
No idea where they buy that fake brand clothing.
 
Effin stoopid.
 
So L.V., Prada, Burberry, Armani, Dior: all those brands have become pretty much lower class here. Except a very conservative Burberry coat.
Are headscarves at all an issue in America?
 
You mean the religious kind?
Or you mean skullies?
 
6:55 PM
Religious.
I actually think some look good on a woman, as with these Iranian girls:
 
@Cerberus Mm, yes.
But no, no problem in my neck of the woods.
 
@Cerberus very rarely. people who wear them are generally left alone, at least by gov't agencies. i'm sure that they get harassed in some places, but i've never heard anyone trying to actually ban them like they did in e.g. france
 
OK.
It is a hot issue here.
Are judges allowed to wear them?
 
I had a Sufi friend who was accused of sporting gang colors because he wore a turban.
 
@Cerberus i can't imagine why they would, but i don't think that anyone would try to stop them
 
6:57 PM
I don't find these as charming.
@KitΘδς Ah, gang colours? But in what environment was this not appreciated?
@JSBᾶngs Why wouldn't judges wear headscarves?
 
In college. They didn't know he was Sufi, and thought because his skin was darker than theirs, he must be African-American, therefore a gang member.
 
Odd.
 
@Cerberus why would they? it's not required, and i can't imagine that there are very many islamic judges
 
@JSBᾶngs Well, what if a Muslim woman is a judge? You don't have those?
 
@Cerberus This I've heard but fail to understand.
 
7:00 PM
@Cerberus i'm sure we have at least one, somewhere, but not enough for me to ever have heard of it or for it to be something that people care about en masse
 
It is considered a religious symbol, and judges or policemen aren't allowed to wear religious symbols. No crosses, no headscarves.
OK.
 
@Cerberus Really? How odd.
 
there are plenty of jewish judges that wear yarmulkes. that precedent would weigh heavily on the side of allowing an islamic judge to wear whatever s/he wanted
 
And judges can wear crosses.
 
@Cerberus yeah, probably half the police force of most major cities is carrying a cross here
 
7:01 PM
Right, those wouldn't be allowed here either.
 
Or other symbols of faith.
 
As long as it's not visible, it is allowed.
It could make them appear prejudiced: that's why it isn't allowed.
 
Ah, I see.
 
There is some debate about other government officials and teachers, but those are allowed.
 
Jez
evening peeps
 
7:02 PM
Hi!
 
@Cerberus i would argue that it is more prejudicial to bar the judge from wearing the badges of their religion, effectively barring the members of certain religious communities from those positions
 
And that's probably why we haven't done it in the US.
 
Jez
can anyone summarize for me why Jasper left?
 
@JSBᾶngs That would be an entirely different kind of thing, hardly prejudice. But it is an argument against forbidding those symbols, yes.
 
@Cerberus it would be worse than prejudice. it would be a de facto elimination of people with those religious commitments
 
7:05 PM
@Jez Comments deleted, ensuing embarrassment, delicate temperament.
 
@Jez He planned to court someone on the site, and talked about it; some people at SE decided that perhaps it wasn't a good idea to keep these things for everyone to Google in the transcript, so they deleted a few lines. He was upset about that, thought he had offended people.
 
Jez
(censored because SEN are rather pathetic)
 
@JSBᾶngs Yes, it would be. But that's not really prejudice.
 
Jez
I always thought he was joking...
erm
so it's not a joke then?
they're going out?
 
@Jez Not so much.
 
7:07 PM
No.
 
@Jez Probably not.
 
Jez
then i dont get it
oh, she's complained presumably
 
@Jez Grace said that the object of his affections was either unaware of it, or not offended.
 
Jez
well. you're all being nice and cryptic. just like the USSR!
 
Hehe.
 
Jez
7:08 PM
you can't say it, and we won't tell you why!!
 
Suppressing information is always fun.
 
Jez
so you're not gonna tell me why then
 
@Jez We just did.
5 mins ago, by KitΘδς
@Jez Comments deleted, ensuing embarrassment, delicate temperament.
 
Jez
"SE decided that perhaps it wasn't a good idea" isn't my idea of an explanation
it's a lack of an explanation
 
Cerberus has it wrong. One of the regular users flagged Jasper's comments.
 
7:11 PM
@JSBᾶngs The reason is that judges must appear impartial, and symbols that indicate they belong to certain groups are thought to make the wrong impression. If a Muslim girl were tried in a case against a Jew and the judge wore a headscarf, the papers would pick it up, scandal, populism, etc. I'm not saying there aren't counter arguments, but this is the reason why it is forbidden. And noöne seems to have a problem with its being forbidden for judges so far.
@KitΘδς Right, I forgot.
 
@Cerberus Here they would probably recuse the judge on religious grounds.
 
I don't fully understand it either.
 
Jez
@Kit ugh. what is it with people round here? stuff gets flagged a lot. people need to remove the rods from their asses. has anyone been hurt? if not, stop flagging already. (this will get flagged)
 
@KitΘδς yes, that seems like a reasonable compromise. surely there are plenty of cases that a jewish/muslim/whatever judge could hear without raising questions of religious bias
 
@KitΘδς I suppose that could be a solution. But recusations can be abused, and I can imagine you might want to keep those at a minimum.
@Jez I agree 100 %. People are just easily offended.
 
Jez
7:13 PM
going to make spaghetti bolognase
 
I suppose. It hasn't been an issue here. My father-in-law recuses himself in every case that my mother-in-law's boyfriend tries.
@Cerberus I can't believe you said that! I'm flagging that.
 
That is wise. But it always happens that a judge forgets it for a moment, and there's another scandal.
@KitΘδς flag you back
When an municipal refuses to wed gay couples, he get sacked here.
 
@Cerberus Oh. I see what you mean. Like when pharmacists refused to sell birth control pills to unwed women.
 
People feel government officials must carry out the law above all, no sects or personal beliefs allowed.
 
Which was legal for a while and may still be.
 
7:15 PM
Haha, did they really?
That is sort of hilarious.
No offence.
 
@Cerberus Yes, maybe, but since any another justice could do it, I'm not sure how bothered I am by that.
 
@KitΘδς That argument is often brought forward against sacking them.
The same applies to patients who will refuse to be treated by a doctor of the opposite sex.
 
It's a sticky wicket.
 
Well, that is a more complicated debate, and usually compromised are found.
 
To be mutually accommodating of each others' systems of belief.
 
7:18 PM
But doctors and patients aren't government officials, and it is unpleasant for both parties if the patient hates her gynaecologist.
@KitΘδς Yeah it's difficult.
But I think we are less tolerant of religion here than in America.
 
Weirdly.
 
@Cerberus i find this notion odious on a number of grounds. mostly, it elevates the State above all other sources of value, and tries to absolutize the state law while relativizing all other laws
 
@JSBᾶngs Yes it does. But what other laws do you mean? The state law is the only official law, and people can have their own private laws as long as those do not interfere with the state law.
 
@Kit: Jasper says that the reason he quit was because people were not being up front about telling him why he was wrong, and instead flagging his comments. He feels disillusioned with the world in general, and this is an example of why.
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@MattEllenД Well, there then.
 
7:22 PM
@GraceNote Jasper is flattered that you wanted him to stay, but is resolute in his decision.
 
Jez
hmm; spag bol with rosemary and sage: interesting.
 
@Cerberus i mean religious, cultural, or other laws. and what you said is entirely the point: the State insists that its own law is supreme and all other laws are subsidary or "personal"
 
Jez
I think I prefer oregano and basil, maybe some tarragon though
 
@Jez Is this your new practice sauce?
Didn't you just have spaghetti bolognese recently?
 
Jez
yep, im putting different herbs/spices in there kind of randomly
 
7:24 PM
@MattEllenД Is it specifically the fact that those flaggers didn't tell him upfront?
 
@Jez sage is an interesting choice, though. i'm not sure i would do the same, but it should be interesting to try
 
I think rosemary and sage is a good combination. Not as good as basil and oregano though, huh?
 
basil is always a good choice
 
Jez
i like the smell of oregano. you cant really go wrong with it
 
@JSBᾶngs Exactly. To be honest, I think I prefer it that way. I am generally for compromises, but the most important officials, who decide on life and death?
 
7:26 PM
@Cerberus That's all he mentioned with regard to the incident. From what he says I think his resentment (if that's the right word) has been building for a while.
 
@MattEllenД Really? But towards whom?
 
@Cerberus I'm not certain, but seemingly ingenuine people
I guess he didn't know who flagged, so he didn't know who was thinking what behind his back
 
Distressing to hear.
 
@MattEllenД I can understand why anonymous flagging would be frustrating.
 
7:32 PM
I agree that it would be annoying and especially after he felt that the two of you were unfairly singled out in that incident where you got temp banned.
That didn't seem fair to me either.
 
Indeed, I think that suspension took him by surprise
no, nor me
 
Eh? There was a temp ban?
 
It surprised me.
 
(Also to note, there was no actual flagging involved in Jasper Loy's incident)
 
@GraceNote Jasper and me got banned. I kinda deserved it, he totally didn't
 
7:33 PM
@GraceNote Matt and Jasper got a 120 second ban for some chat comments.
 
Ooh. Ahha. Yeah, I can suddenly see a bit more as to why he's frustrated, then.
 
@MattEllenД I don't think you deserved it, not remotely.
 
@KitΘδς thanks :) I don't want to come off as bitter, since I'm not
 
Can I inquire as to the content of that particular flagged chat sequence?
 
@GraceNote I'll get it for you.
 
7:36 PM
Thanks @Kit
 
Aug 4 at 13:31, by KitΘδς
@JasperLoy *u***
Start here. I was joking about censoring.
Matt said something with the F-word in it, and I advise him not to.
 
By the time I realised what Kit meant I couldn't delete it!
 
What he said wasn't even offensive, something like "I can't f*cking believe it" or something. He wasn't cussing anyone out.
Then Jasper and Matt make some jokes about what I had said.
 
I am not in favour of censoring either.
 
Geezers, that's a bit odd to flag.
 
7:38 PM
I said "And f* is something people do"
 
Not unless things get much worse.
 
The Bridge swears more often than that on a practical daily basis.
 
@GraceNote Well, especially considering that I said:
 
@Grace: I had no idea Jasper's latest deleted lines weren't flagged! Then who told us that?
 
Aug 4 at 13:32, by KitΘδς
Which is a word I thought would be appropriate to bowdlerize.
Aug 4 at 13:32, by KitΘδς
Unless I am talking about pussycats, pussywillows, Pussy Galore, etc.
 
7:39 PM
@Cerberus I just said they were brought to our attention. The easy conclusion is that they were flagged.
 
So, someone was flagging Jasper for no reason at all, just to drive him away. What a hearthless, cruel bastard.
 
And I didn't get banned.
 
@GraceNote OK. Then how?
 
@GraceNote Attention, you mean?
 
We figured, silent deletion would be better than making a spectacle of a rather minor event in the grand scheme of things, which, obviously, that failed miserably.
 
7:40 PM
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū No, it turns out he wasn't flagged.
 
@KitΘδς Right, fixed.
 
@GraceNote I understand.
 
But the damage is done
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū In the grand scheme of things, what we picked to delete was pretty minor. To quote I think it was JSBangs, in a week or so we'd all have forgotten that he had said such things.
 
7:41 PM
Yeah.
I don't know why he took that so badly.
Matt says had had been disappointed by people's dishonesty before, but we don't know what that could have been about.
 
wait, we are talking about Jasper, right?
 
@Cerberus Chat messages, primarily. Some moderators brought it up in the mod room but also there was some level of verbal complaint in other chat rooms by normal users. It came up twice that day which is why it got elevated to actually look into it.
 
This chat room features the most consistent use of capitalization and punctuation of any I've yet seen :)
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Aye
 
7:43 PM
Uh, hello. Jasper deleted his account. We should tell him about this.
After all, he did leave us his email adress
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū I'm emailing him :)
 
we should put it in good use.
 
@GraceNote And those people didn't say anything here?
 
No wonder he deleted his account...
 
@MattEllenД Cool.
 
7:44 PM
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū He hasn't yet, no
 
@GraceNote But where those complaints only about his wanting to contact a certain person?
 
We, the Stack Exchange team, are the only ones who have the administrative power to actually delete an account, and like any user we like to give people some "thinking" time before actually carrying out the deed.
 
@BrennanVincent we bow
 
Jez
@GraceNote is the policy, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease"? because that's a bad policy.
 
7:45 PM
@GraceNote Good.
 
Jez
it's often better to discard squeaky wheels.
 
But I can't find him anywhere.
 
No, the policy is not "The squeaky wheel gets the grease"
 
without him, this chatroom wil only get gloomier.
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū He probably renamed his account to "please delete me".
 
7:46 PM
wait, is that even a word?
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Which?
 
Which is part of the process of requesting deletion, you mark it either in your name or in your about-me.
 
@Kit gloomier
 
@Cerberus The only complaints we got were about that one single bit, yes.
 
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū Yes. See for instance, Eeyore.
 
7:48 PM
@Grace if Jasper had change his name in parcipitation of putting greek letters into our names, he wouldn't be able to rechange it for 30 days.
 
@GraceNote And you contacted him to explain privately, right?
 
And I'm pretty sure he did.
 
@KitΘδς We were in the process of doing so but things got accelerated.
 
...@Grace What!?
So you guys never contacted him?
 
@GraceNote So you accelerated your response, right?
 
7:50 PM
@KitΘδς Aye
 
I mean, you realize that the kid is seriously unstable?
 
He found out pretty much right after we did the deletions and then he consequently already made up his mind to delete his account. I'd been trying to tell him to wait a moment while I finish the email but he hadn't.
@KitΘδς That's kinda why I wanted to put some good effort into the email instead of a very bland email just noting the basics of why the stuff was deleted. I figured being personable would've been wise.
 
O.o this is bad....
 
@GraceNote I appreciate your efforts and your kindness toward him.
 
Me too. but I guess it was probably too late...
 
Jez
7:54 PM
Great. First suicide-by-SEN. There's a milestone.
 
Jez
StackExchange network
i'm trying to get the acronym established
 
Jez
that's just StackExchange
 
ANyhow, this is a great crisis.
 
7:59 PM
@Jez (just coming back in) did Jasper actually suggest that he was suicidal? in a not-joking way?
 

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