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10:00 AM
I found the center of GL_n(R) easily
 
i dunno about them, @Disciple. dessin de'nfants i "know" about but there is more to it than i will ever understand, i think.
 
I actually think constellations is sort of old school term, I think maybe combinatorial map is more common
 
but it doesn't the answer the question i am asking, however.
since it doesn't give a topological space X on which Gal(Q) acts.
 
An interesting thing about these combinatorial maps is that there are "sequences" of permutations which sort of draw these maps, and studying these was crucial in the proof of the "four color theorem" for higher genus surfaces
 
this Mj guy thinks it's a good question. i can see why it is so : having such a simply connected space would give me a space X/Gal(Q) which has fundamental group Gal(Q) and all higher "homotopy" groups trivial, so that'd be a K(Gal(Q), 1)-space, and (co)homology of this space would return Galois (co)homology, which'd be nice.
don't take what i say literally, since usual notion of fundamental groups won't work.
 
10:06 AM
Yah it definitely sounds interesting, and would be a cool way to understand those things, or attack problems in the area
 
right. there was another related question about whether one can define hyperbolicity for profinite groups.
 
@BalarkaSen Like defining what it means to be a hyperbolic group in the profinite setting or do you mean something different
 
anyway, these are all very hard questions. better to study some more stuff before thinking about them.
@DiscipleofBarney yeah, i mean, is there a sensible way to define hyperbolicity for profinite groups? you can't draw Cayley graphs since these are general uncountable.
 
I think there is a reasonable deffinition for locally compact groups, don't know much about it, I just came across it once
 
the correct way to do it probably is once you have a group $G = \varprojlim G_i$ then draw the Cayley graphs $\Gamma(G_i)$ of each group in the set and then take inverse limit of the graphs.
I don't know of a canonical way to do it.
 
10:16 AM
@BalarkaSen I think it was in Metric geometry of locally compact groups by Cornulier and de La Harpe
 
for example if you have $\mathbf{Z}_p = \varprojlim \Bbb Z/p^n\Bbb Z$ then the corresponding "graph" would be inverse limit of a bunch of cycles. doing it the "right" way, one ends up with the $p$-adic solenoid. but there are also some boring way, where you end up with just the real line :p
@DiscipleofBarney hmm, let me have a look.
 
I am looking through it (using some search functionality) and so far it seems they are referencing a paper, I am still looking though.

An LC-group G is Gromov-hyperbolic if it is compactly generated and if, with
a word metric, it is a Gromov-hyperbolic metric space; equivalently if G has a
continuous proper cocompact isometric action on some proper geodesic hyperbolic
metric space [CCMT, Corollary 2.6].
Page 103 in that book (at least when I grabbed it, it may have been expanded since)
 
that's too bad. i don't think $\mathbf{Z}_p$ acts on any proper hyperbolic geodesic metric space. (Hilbert-Smith conjecture at least says that it can't act on a manifold)
 
Maybe the conjecture is wrong :D
Pierre-Emmanuel Caprace, Yves de Cornulier, Nicolas Monod,
and Romain Tessera, Amenable hyperbolic groups, J. Eur. Math. Soc.,
to appear. 49, 51, 56, 103, 108
 
it's true for 3-manifolds, at least (see J. Pardon's papaer)
 
10:24 AM
That is the paper that is cited a bunch, I am guessing it has more info on that sort of thing
LC hyperbolic groups that is
 
i've found it : looking right now
 
Although there may be other reasonable, not equivalent, definition for hyperbolic group in profinite settings
Although, I don't know
 
that's ok, thanks for all the references though.
 
Remark 2.5. The assumption that L is a Lie group is essential in Lemma 2.4.
Indeed, let G = R × Zp, where Zp denotes the (compact) additive group of the
p-adic integers. Let Z be a copy of Z embedded diagonally in G, and let L = G/Z
be the quotient group. The group L is the so-called solenoid and can alternatively
be defined as the inverse limit of the iterated p-fold covers of the circle group. It
is connected (but not locally arcwise connected). The image of G◦ = R under the
quotient map π : G → L is dense, but properly contained, in L.
Some words you have said^ @BalarkaSen :P
 
yeah, i saw it.
 
10:34 AM
Looks like I have a lot of math to learn (I always knew that though)
 
the solenoid is a Z_p-bundle over S^1 : that's why the monodromy group is Z_p.
what we want is something like a Gal(\bar Q/Q)-bundle over something ;)
the p-adic solenoid is like a toy example/prototype of the object i am seeking
@DiscipleofBarney me too.
i'm gonna forget about the pipe-dreams for now and leave this room :P
 
Sounds good, I will get back to my small cancellation stuff...
 
vanishes
 
10:48 AM
What time is it for you @Disc?
 
@DiscipleofBarney Troll
 
STOP IT
 
You got Minlinksski?
 
10:50 AM
Can you check my newest post?
 
I can take a look
 
OH YOU ARE FROM THE US
Sorry it was a tra
p
I wanted your viewer demographic
 
I had to know lol
 
10:51 AM
YES I GOT YOU
LIAR
Why are you up so late haha
7am or 4am depending on which side
 
I don't know
 
I have to stay up all night
 
so do you have Minlinksski
 
For the sake of the grades :\
@DiscipleofBarney No
I don't know what that is sorry[or who]
Yes, he is my lecturer for complex
Min chun-hong? Optimization theory
 
Functional
 
10:54 AM
Yes and functional now
[but I don't go to tutes]
 
Don't have Links though
 
Links?
 
Has a linear, abstract and nt class
 
^Cool guy, I would be happy to do research with him if I could
Also my algebra lecturer
 
Did you read the "FOR STUDENTS THAT WANT TO WORK WITH ME..."
 
Cool, sounds like you got your work cut out for you
 
Indeed
I have two advanced algebra courses next semester
So hopefully I will be ready
 
Greetings
 
Greetings
 
How is it going?
 
11:00 AM
I am not going to look at your post anymore haha
 
Pretty good. Late night ahead
@DiscipleofBarney What post?
 
ADG
hello
 
The "trap"
 
@DiscipleofBarney Ever again?
 
11:01 AM
@DiscipleofBarney I didn't get your IP or anything lol, just US is all I get
And where the click came frm
 
ADG
hello
 
hello
 
ADG
wasuup?
 
@DiscipleofBarney Maybe you want to help me with Algebra instead :))
 
ADG
the earth shaked again today
 
11:02 AM
@ADG Nothing much, just study all night
 
@Incurrence Maybe...
 
Oh sweet
"To coursework master's, honours, or keen third year students:
If you're looking for a maths course to take next semester, I'm currently putting out feelers for people interested in algebraic topology. Joe Grotowski has offered to run a reading course (how you credit this course would need to be worked out by you with the faculty, although it is normally taken as 'special topics'). He said he will reluctantly run it for two people, but would be happy to run it for three or more people, which means that I'd like at least two more people."
 
ADG
@Incurrence have you heard of the earthquake?
india-nepal
 
@ADG No, nothing about it
 
@Incurrence You should do it, special topics are awesome
 
11:04 AM
@DiscipleofBarney More algebra would be good, since it seems to be my favourite
 
ADG
it's trending, do a simple seacrh
 
@Incurrence Although it might be difficult to go right into a special topics in algebraic topology, idk depends
 
@DiscipleofBarney Is Hatchers difficult??
Isn't hatchers insanely hard
"The assessment will include three assignments and an oral presentation with no exam."
 
@Incurrence I don't know much topology, but I think hatcher is considered one of the more accessible treatments with lots of motivation, pictures, and geometry. In fact I know you had plans to go through A concise course, but the author of that book recommends it as something to go alongside another book, like hatcher
I have not worked through hatcher, although in a week or two I will be starting the homology chapter of that book
 
Awesome, thanks, I sent a message to the guy
 
ADG
11:09 AM
bye
 
Bye
 
Plus you have BalarkaSen to ask some questions about algebraic topology
When you start studying
 
Yes indeed, I am excited!
Two advanced algebra and algebraic topology
 
Sounds like a blast
What are the algebra classes
 
11:12 AM
That should be cool, will be a lot of work, but at least its all connected
 
 
1 hour later…
12:16 PM
@DiscipleofBarney Sleeping now?
 
@Incurrence Nope
 
Sleep all the time
 
Hey @ᴇʏᴇs
@DiscipleofBarney Did you VPN legit lol
 
Well, did you?
 
12:35 PM
Hi all, I'm back
 
Hi back
 
lol @evinda
@evinda What's up since a week ago ?
 
You mean because I am not the whole day in the chat? :p @Ramanewbie
 
@evinda I ask that because I wasn't there for a week...
 
@Ramanewbie Ah, I see.. Did you go on vacations? Since one week, the lessons have restarted...
 
12:39 PM
@evinda Indeed, in France vacation started last week, end next week.
 
@Ramanewbie Where did you go?
 
@evinda I went to England to improve my English.
 
Nice!!! :) Did ou go with your family? @Ramanewbie
 
@evinda No, I went in a host family in Kent for the week...
 
I see... @Ramanewbie Did you get along with the host family?
 
12:44 PM
@evinda They were not as I expected
@evinda They were from JamaÏque and not very nice
 
@ᴇʏᴇs If it says to prove something is defined on all of $\Bbb C$ but nowhere analytic, they just mean that it fails the cauchy riemann equations at all points, but has no points at infinity right?
 
@Ramanewbie Aha :( Where there also peers? What did you do? Did you go out?
 
@evinda 'peers' ?
 
@ᴇʏᴇs Are you there?
 
Guys that have the same age as you @Ramanewbie
 
12:52 PM
@evinda I wished that before going, but they were only two retired guys... :(
 
@Ramanewbie :( If they aren't polite to others, why do they want to host them? :x I don't understand it..
 
@evinda It is quite well paid. I only see that.
 
Ah I see.... @Ramanewbie
 
@r9m Guess what? I evaluated $$\int_0^{\pi/2} \operatorname{Ti}_2(\sin(x)) \ dx$$in closed form. :-)
 
@Disc Still tanking?
 
1:07 PM
Tanking? @Incurrence
@Incurrence Are you just waiting for me to collapse?
 
@DiscipleofBarney Is that aussie slang(+gamer slang)?
Being a tough c*** in Australia is called being a tank
 
Ahh you got me again xD
 
And if you are dealing with tough shit and not giving up people say you are tanking
@DiscipleofBarney You fake aussies!
 
I guess I am tanking then
 
@TED!
 
1:08 PM
hi @Incurrence
Salut @Ramanewbie
 
@Ted I took real multiples of your $A =\begin{bmatrix}0&-1\\1&0\end{bmatrix}$
 
Hi @ted, I'm just back from England !
 
None of them countered injectivity?
 
Welcome home, @Ramanewbie.
What is $e^{tA}$ for $A$ that matrix, @Incurrence?
 
$e^{kA}=\begin{bmatrix}1& e^{-k}\\e^k&1 \end{bmatrix}$ from memory
 
1:10 PM
NOOOO @Incurrence. Write out the power series.
 
You do NOT get $e^A$ by exponentiating each entry.
 
@TedShifrin I know :(
 
@TedShifrin But I wolfram'd some I knew and they were right
 
1:11 PM
If you can diagonalize, then it's not too hard.
 
@TedShifrin So I assumed it worked in general
 
growls loudly @Incurrence
 
Why does it work for some and not others :(
Okay one min
 
It only works for diagonals.
 
wonders if Ted is okay, doesn't sound to good
 
1:12 PM
lmao
What is the difference between power series and series?
 
it's more specific
@Ramanewbie: Did your family miss you?
 
@ted Ask hippa ;)
 
Je ne l'ai pas vu depuis bien longtemps.
 
@ted Il a des examens.
 
So $A=A,A^2=-I,A^3=-A,A^4=I$
 
1:14 PM
Il vaut mieux qu'il étudie :)
right, @Incurrence, so now compute $e^{tA}$.
 
@ted en effet.
 
$$\sum_{i=0}^\infty \frac{k^i A^i}{i!} = I+kA+\frac{-k^2 I}{2} - \frac{k^3}{6} + \frac{k^4 I}{24}\cdots$$
 
@Incurrence: Collect like terms and look at the series.
 
@Incurrence Yah, trying to get enough of this small cancellation theory stuff so that I can finally solve that damn problem I was talking about with BalarkaSen. If I manage to figure it out, I will have a tweaking on math for days and won't be able to sleep. Maybe Tweaking Tank will be my new name :D
 
tweaking or twerking, @Disciple of Wilma?
 
1:18 PM
xD
lmaoo
 
@TedShifrin Tweaking
Hahaha
 
Oh, I know what the words mean ...
 
@TedShifrin $$I(1-\frac{k^2}{2!} + \frac{k^4}{4!} - \frac{k^6}{6!}+\frac{k^8}{8!} + \cdots) + A(k-\frac{k^3}{3!} + \frac{k^5}{5!}-\frac{k^7}{7!} + \cdots)$$
 
So, @Incurrence, I certainly hope you recognize those power series.
 
:)
I don't :)
I haven't done power series in 2 years
 
1:30 PM
Hmm, don't you learn anything in calculus there?
 
I did, but I was an engineer then
 
That's fine. Engineers actually use power series.
 
And on that regard I have yet to recover
 
Well, compute the Taylor series for $e^x$, $\sin x$, and $\cos x$.
 
Correction: I was a lazy engineering student
 
1:30 PM
Ah.
 
I'll be doing algebraic topology next semester :)
 
Have you done basic point-set topology yet?
 
Hi @Incurrence @TedShifrin
 
heya mr eyeglasses
 
@TedShifrin I am doing functional analysis now, which is largely point set atm
 
1:32 PM
not really
 
@TedShifrin I will be doing it over the gap period between semesters I assure you, I am very keen
 
you need to be very good at compactness, quotient topology, local connectedness/compactness, etc.
 
@TedShifrin Ok
@TedShifrin I'm going to have to work really damn hard(although I am already, close to 8 hours a day)
 
@Incurrence Your algebra class has both abstract and linear algebra?
 
I seem to be less of a fan of "self-learning" than most of you folks in this room :D
 
1:34 PM
@ᴇʏᴇs And category theory...
 
@Incurrence Wow so much
 
@ᴇʏᴇs It's whatever he wants to cover
 
@Incurrence You did all that in one semester?
 
@ᴇʏᴇs And number theory is in the title
 
@Ted!
 
1:34 PM
@ᴇʏᴇs Well the semester is still going
 
speaking of which ... howdy, @Balarka
 
quotient spaces is a must for alg top, @Incurrence
 
$$A(\cos(k)) + I(\sin(k))$$
@BalarkaSen I am going to be using Hatcher, and it will be a reading course mostly
 
yippee @Incurrence. Now think about your question ...
 
1:36 PM
you can also use the fact that $e^{At}x_0$ solves $x' = Ax, x(0) = x_0$ to find $e^{At}$ quickly for some matrices $A.$ the one you have now.
 
I recommend you the introductory chapters of Armstrong, @Incurrence. he does quotient topology quite well.
 
@BalarkaSen I'll check it out, thanks
It's a special topics, so it will have 5 students
 
@TedShifrin speaking of what, exactly? says a little heatedly
:p
 
oh. well, of course self-learning has it's drawbacks.
 
1:39 PM
I think places like this chatroom have made more people do it than perhaps is appropriate
on the other hand, there are so many boring high schools and colleges ... I dunno
 
@TedShifrin i might agree.
but i barely have any choices other than self-learning.
 
I am not self-learning that much now, just to prepare myself for fun courses
 
I guess some students don't have much choice when the courses are not being offered at their schools or the professor isn't helpful
 
One of my current students wants to "self-learn" abstract algebra so that he can take cryptography in the fall. I've strongly discouraged that. Many students are unrealistic and overestimate their own capabilities.
well, mr eyeglasses, I sure wish some of my students would do some self-learning of the course I'm teaching; they're certainly not making any effort to learn it from me.
 
lol
 
1:41 PM
@TedShifrin Aren't you done tomorrow?
 
hehe
 
yup @Incurrence, except for finals
 
Man, what I would give to have a professor that actually wants students to come to them for assistance
 
@TedShifrin Then you will have to come here exclusively to teach us :))
@ᴇʏᴇs I do, he is my algebra teacher :)
Great guy
 
mr eyeglasses seems to have had horrid "fortune" with teachers
 
1:42 PM
@Incurrence Your school is actually good
 
mr eyeglasses: Yours isn't as bad as you think it is. Relatively speaking, in the US.
 
@TedShifrin Yeah I am lost lol
 
No, @Incurrence, you're not.
 
k=\pi /2
and $A=0$?
 
No, $A$ is the $A$ I gave you.
 
1:45 PM
Both give $e^A$ = I?
 
Oh, try a different $k$.
 
I mean set $k=\frac{\pi}{2}$ for your $A$
and set $A=0$ for a second case
and they both give $I$ I think
 
Do you know the values of the trig functions? Think about the unit circle, please.
 
Wait why doesn't mine work?
A(cos(\pi /2)) + I(sin(\pi /2 )) = I
and $e^0$ matrix = I
 
Oh, you have the cos and sin messed up.
BTW, you should think about my $A$ and how it acts on $\Bbb R^2 = \Bbb C$ to understand what's going on here.
 
1:47 PM
OH woops I switched A and I
$$A(\sin(k)) + I(\cos(k))$$
$k=2\pi n$
 
There you go.
 
$n\in \Bbb Z$
Wooooo
 
Now do my last exercise up there ^^
 
Giving exercises till the bitter end...
 
1:52 PM
emphasis on bitter?
 
lol
 
As you wish
 
@Disciple of Wilma is bitter because I've renamed him.
 
@TedShifrin is bitter, because he is bitter
 
shrugs
 
1:55 PM
bits of bitterness.
 
Bitter is nice though, sweetness is overrated
 
definitely true of chocolate
 
great, now i am talking nonsense
 
nothing new there, @Balarka ... Just ask Mike :D
 
1:57 PM
lmao
I leave for one second
 
didn't know Mike used to speak nonsense too.
 
And this happens
 
what happened, @Incurrence? And it shows you should never leave.
You misread my sentence, @Balarka.
 
You guys go crazy
 
@TedShifrin i know. i was afraid of interpreting it the correct way.
 

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