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Q: Where is the Don't Starve save file located on Linux?

@MartinSojka speak for yourself, it's another 10 minutes until I've been awake an hour

I don't know 'Don't Starve', but this question surely doesn't need the google-chrome tag?

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I know that the save file is located in the Appdata folder for windows, where is it located in Ubuntu 12.04? I am using Google Chrome for both operating systems. I wish to know this because I want to move my save from Windows to Ubuntu.

@kalina I think the game runs as a Google Chrome app.

interesting

It's also available from Steam, so I suppose the tag differentiates it from the Steam version

10:16 AM

well if that's the case, the answer on it is wrong

Yeeeeah

*cough* @djsmiley2k *hint hint nudge nudge*

Oh it's not the steam one? Gah

So yeah, PS4 ... can it run Linux?

forums.kleientertainment.com/… << jesus :/

@MartinSojka hahaha, well its just x86_64, so its gonna be a overpriced PC basically :/

But yeah, I can't imagine it'll be long until it does

Is the "_64" part confirmed now?

10:23 AM

yes,

aw. There goes my conspiracy theory

well, the problem is "x86" doesn't specifiy the bit length

so people resumed it was 32. lulz

Its a mobile AMD Jaguar processor appently

lol, a mobile processor?!

As long as its not something stupid like EMT64 and they are begging intel to bring back some outdated arch I'm not too worried.

badp..... aka low power modes.

yeah but... but... but...

10:24 AM

Also, less active cooling needed.

That's somethign thats become a big thing.

EXPLOSIONS?!

@badp hmmmm, what?

You can't do EXPLOSIONS on low power modes!

No no

10:25 AM

You need to overclock the CPU whenever an EXPLOSION happens!

the low power modes are for when you turn it "off" but its still watching you..... always watching.

And if someone doesn't star that....

@djsmiley2k ... and always listening.

@badp :D

@MartinSojka always thinking.

@djsmiley2k well yeah that brought me to a rather interesting conspiracy theory. If you need to address 8^33 bytes of memory, you can still have 32 byte long registers and let the 33rd be controlled by supervisor mode or something

Half of the memory would be exclusive to sony system stuff, half of the memory exclusive to the game. This would've make the system side of things quite hard to exploit

@badp More hypervisor crap?

10:27 AM

I missed this whole EXPLOSION thing :(

@badp .... how about just seperate systems completely?

two seperate processing components, seperate memory areas. Seperate verything

do kind of chainloaded booting for games.

@djsmiley2k ...I suppose the system side of things still needs to peek out in game-only memory regions in order to provide, yknow, API services and stuff

but then you can have supervisor-mode-only ops that let you reach into the other memory half

@badp yeah, it'd be hell weird arch..... infact it almost sounds like what the PS3 stuff is.

That dedicates one core to the "system".

I love how Sony make games consoles only to supplement the sales of new technologies the rest of the business makes

after all, who's going to do the encoding of the last 15 seconds of video and the uploading thereof and the background downloading and stuff

A lot of what's been announced yesterday made sense with the kind of expensive background everything Sony announced

10:30 AM

@kalina What new tech this time.... 4k?

I also love how Sony describe the PS4 as a 'supercharged PC'

alas, it was just that - speculation

@djsmiley2k ye

@kalina with an amazing 8Gb of ram

last time was bluray, PS2 was DVD, PS1 was CD

amazing 8gb of RAM

10:30 AM

There's still my preferred speculation, though, the one where the system is online-only, no physical media. Has that been debunked too?

Mem: 9961 7603 2358 0 523 2564

Oh.

I have 10Gb :/

16gb \o/

I am winnar

4 gb \o/

@badp Not that I've heard.

I am winnar if you list the contestants the other way around

10:31 AM

@badp that is so 2001.

@kalina Don't make me log into one of our servers.

@djsmiley2k servers don't count when we're talking about home pcs

but there always has to be one

@kalina In 2001 it was rad to have 1 GB

I used to have a dual xeon under my desk here.

I have a poweredge sitting here beside me.

"I have a 32 day uptime" "One moment, let me log into one of our servers..."

10:31 AM

I'm a linux junky. :D

because that's comparable in the slightest

@kalina hmmmm we have a box with about 8 years :/

@kalina 11:31:20 up 487 days, 2:11, 11 users, load average: 0.55, 0.59, 0.54

yawn

In my defence, I didn't need to log in. :)

10:32 AM

let me just log into NATO and get the uptime off their Windows servers, to put your silly linux servers to shame

lol

Nice to know they keep them updated.

487.... so what, 2.4 kernel Martin?

Honestly the only reason why my computer doesn't have multiple weeks' uptime is 1. updates 2. Windows really fucks memory up after day 2

governments never keep anything up to date

@badp never had any issues with modern windows memory management

@djsmiley2k 2.6.18 (RHEL-version)

yes, servers shouldn't update unless necessary

@kalina you lucky flower

10:34 AM

@MartinSojka ah fair enough...

stay away from.... 28-35ish

if I disabled Windows update, I'd easily get 3-6 months uptime between reboots on Windows

@kalina depends, your machine would also get pwned pretty bad

highest uptime I've ever had on a home PC was a dell optiplex I used to run Gentoo on

which I compiled from stage 1

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa noooo gentooo

I usually let my Windows laptop run for a few weeks between reboots (for updates), though it does go down to hibernate often.

10:35 AM

got >400 days before there was a powercut, and it never rebooted after that

@badp nah, I had a friend who used a windows 2000 machine as a router which had an uptime of 700 days before it died

I won't say it will run perfectly after that amount of time, I imagine starting up a game would cause it to die in a spectacular fashion

@kalina oh my god that is awful. There are so many nasty security flaws in WinXP

I don't know how many of those are relevant to a router, but...

@badp many of the 'security flaws' are things that can be resolved with correct configuration

@kalina your machine is likely pwned before you can apply those

@badp you are a windows hater

then again, I've apparently been lucky, I've never had a virus or malware of any kind, and I've always correctly configured my firewall

I also don't run AV

In the last 10 years I've had a couple dialers and mild infections, nothing I couldn't ostensibly fix

10:42 AM

@kalina Zero day Java exploits, embedded on compromised sites

@kalina No; if you know what you're doing, you can get by without a problem. I had a hacker taking over half of our internal computers once, including that of my then-boss and IT security guy, and I was fine and unaffected because I followed correct security practices out of habit. The problem comes when you have to support other's systems, and most people don't have the expertise or experience to know how to behave properly. Or if they know them ... they get lazy.

@YiJiang'sEvilClone I run Google Chrome in the mode that disables all plugins until you click on the plugin placeholder

haha theres some optiplex downstairs in "storage" :D

they weigh a ton.

how do you know you've not got malware when you can't detect it?

@djsmiley2k no this one was a business desktop machine, it had two buttons on either side of the case at the back that you pushed and then you could lift the lid off it

was completely fanless

"I've never been rootkitted". I don't run anything to check for rootkits

10:44 AM

@djsmiley2k I know what programs run on my PC and don't see anything suspect in task manager, msconfig, etc

@kalina fanless? Ooo. Not seen one like that

I have no suspect processes running in my browser

@kalina with a rootkit, you wouldn't.

Do you run JVM?

and no unusual traffic

no

hmmm ok

I'm not gonna argue over it.

10:45 AM

@kalina Super sneaky malware can remove itself from Task Manager

@kalina Super sneaky malware can hide its own traffic

@fredley if I have to install something right now, do a full scan, and demonstrate that I'm not guessing at the cleanliness of my PC I will do, just so that I can demonstrate I'm right

@kalina I'm not saying you're wrong, just that you could be wrong.

secondarily, I use my PC with a restricted user and have to elevate my own privileges every time I want to do anything that involves installing

which is how any computer should be used

and thus in order to install anything bad, I'd have had to enter a 27 character password

@kalina Yes, yes it is, but in windows it can be a pain in the butt.

@fredley No. What you do is put a network tap on your network and sniff it on a clean machine booted to a know secure medium (like a live distribution).

10:47 AM

@djsmiley2k UAC

@kalina See: zerodays

To my detriment, I've only really done that for two years though and it's been a year since I've last filled in a password at a UAC prompt

I do, however, have UAC cranked up to the max

@badp actually, the user account I log in as isn't even an admin account, I have to 'run as user' to do anything important

@kalina Do you have UAC disabled?

no, UAC is enabled

but you're using UAC on an account that has admin privs

10:49 AM

because I have been using UAC with a non-admin account and whenever UAC kicks in it lets me log in as an admin priv user

yeah that's what I do

yeah, so why do you need to explicitly Run As?

habit

oh okay.

I spend most of my day installing software at work using service accounts

and my admin user on my home pc isn't the 'administrator' account

and I shift click everything -.-

People who use Windows and claim it's insecure while logged in as an administrator are hiliarious

they're usually the same people who claim Linux is awesome and secure, even though on Linux they don't sit there logged in as root all day

10:51 AM

The thing is, running as an "admin account" doesn't after all give "admin access" to all the things so long as UAC is enabled

unfair comparison by uneducated people

For the record, it is possible to transmit information over a network cable essentially invisible to a network tap (via manipulating packet timing), but only if you control both sides of the cable - any router and most switches between will ruin that side channel.

The problem is, "disable UAC" is now like second nature to people

"I've just installed Windows. OH GOD DISABLE UAC"

@badp I'm not sure, it certainly was at the start of Windows 7, but that was because Vista was a bit twitchy when it came to prompting

...and that's how people end up running Firefox as root anyway

10:52 AM

@badp like Ubuntu and its "Use sudo, that'll fix it"

@djsmiley2k huh? What's wrong with sudoing just the bits that need sudoing?

It's like they took the "you have moved your mouse, windows must now restart" thing from Windows 98 and changed it to "are you sure you want to move your mouse?" in windows vista

@badp thats not what happens though. They use it as a cure-all for everything (they being idiots who seem to flock to ubuntu).

UAC is awesome though, and anybody who disagrees is missing the point

@badp The problem is in the users, as usual. You often get that advice whenever anything goes wrong. "My Teamspeak client doesn't work!" - "Use sudo" and so on.

10:53 AM

@kalina It's a lot better in win7.

@kalina Vista in its infancy was exceedingly happy in its UAC prompts

@badp Are people that dumb?

@badp I said this already

@djsmiley2k it's even better in Windows 8

@badp I have Vista on one of the machines. I never had a problem with its UAC prompts.

shame that some of the changes in Windows 8 are a bit awkward

10:54 AM

@MartinSojka Did you get Vista as soon as it released?

@MartinSojka by SP1 it had improved a lot

because the problem with Vista as soon as it released what that a ton of software and drivers was not written with Vista in mind

Vista on release would pop up UAC several times an hour during random use

@badp Hell if I knew; it came pre-installed and I kept it. I think it was some 2 months or so before release of Win 7.

by the time the various service packs and pals came out, most of the software devs woke up to the fact that no, you can't just fucking write your junk files directly to C:\Windows\ or what else

10:55 AM

@YiJiang'sEvilClone yes people are that dumb

Basically I blame Windows Vista on developers of software and drivers

Once they got up to speed, Vista was usable

not really

Vista still turned the fastest PCs in the world into slow unresponsive piles of junk

@badp You weren't supposed to when writing software for WinNT, according to the official guidelines. Nice on Microsoft to finally add a small bit of enforcement, I think.

This is a graph Microsoft itself published here

@badp the "not really" wasn't contradicting your statement and was a lead in to my next statement

10:58 AM

...and this is the effect of the changes in Vista SP1:

would be nice to see windows 7 on that graph

Windows 7 wasn't released yet when they published it

@badp See, and that's why I never had a problem with Vista's UAC. I continue to have a problem with shitty software asking for more rights than they should have.

In short, in the first year of Vista a whopping 3 programs out of 4 fixed themselves

Vista was still very slow

11:00 AM

the SP1 effect was... negligible

tbh, in comparison to Windows 8 in places, Windows 7 is slow

@kalina Most machines were built for Windows XP's by then measly requirements

but stupid stuff like the charms bar is slowly starting to grate on me

XP was built to requirements that seemed excessive in 2001

they were also laughable in 2007

Vista vs 7 vs 8 on the same hardware, Vista is slower

11:01 AM

@kalina Yeah, they also had too many background services

aero... :/

The thing about Google's app store is that apparently, developers can set their apps to be sold for a price, or free, but once they set it to be free they can never set a price on it again

yeah

I think that's only part of the story however

@djsmiley2k Aero 1. can be disabled 2. is dead

Which means that things like reddit.com/r/GameDeals/comments/18xxli/… will never happen for Android

11:02 AM

Wasn't vista's multicore support terrible too?

@djsmiley2k nothing that wrong with aero tbh, it was Vista with 100 processes running by default

@djsmiley2k I don't know of anybody who uses that.

but Aero ceased to exist in Windows 8

eeeeek hilights!

@MartinSojka I did, I love transparency

11:02 AM

"Aero peek" is kind of still alive but that's pretty much it

@badp I don't even understand that feature

also the taskbar is still translucent, but without the gaussian filter

@kalina WHAT IF YOU HAVE A REALLY SEXY WALLPAPER AND NEEDED TO BE INSPIRED BY IT REAL QUICK

but I guess I have 2+ monitors on every machine I use so I can spread stuff around

@badp I have a memory and can remember what it looks like?

@kalina You're weird and strange and would you please keep at least 10m distance between us in case it's contagious?

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and all of my wallpapers are sexy

11:03 AM

Honestly transparency had its use cases

I don't mind transparency, though it doesn't seem very useful.

@MartinSojka are you kidding? I'm one of those people who spends hours playing around with Compiz just because it deforms windows when I quickly drag them from one side of the screen to the other

I used to like move progress information of background processes below the taskbar so that it would kind of shine through at all times

I got more entertainment from playing around with Compiz than I got from playing Mass Effect 3

...then Windows 7 introduced progress bars built into the taskbar

11:04 AM

I do think it's more aesthetically pleasing than XP's bubble-ish look and OS X's brushed metal / aqua

@kalina hehe I hate all that stuff, I love stream lined.

@YiJiang'sEvilClone what is?

@djsmiley2k go back to your command prompt

@badp Aero glass

@kalina .... i never left it.

:D

11:05 AM

@YiJiang'sEvilClone eh. I'm happy with the Win8 style

@badp I like Windows 8's "style"

I don't like having swipe gestures forced upon me when I use a mouse though

The command prompt can be immensely productive for the keyboard nuts; it's a shame so much of the keyboard productivity got lost in the change to actual graphics

all this random moving of cursors to random corners of the screen to perform random actions

@kalina Just use the keyboard?

@kalina Win-I

(all you ever really need)

11:07 AM

@badp RDP in a window doesn't send that to my home PC so you're going to have to tell me what that shortcut does

@kalina it shows the settings pane

the actual settings pane?

yeah, the one with the shutdown button

like the one several clicks into the charm bar?

ok

hmmmm, bbc radio1 stream just died :/

11:11 AM

I've still got a weird buffering issue in WMP with large high bitrate MP3s

I need a new media player

vlc?

VLC is a good video player, but it doesn't do organization and playlists at all.

@djsmiley2k not really suitable for loading 300000 mp3s into

The Zune media player would be great, but Microsoft killed it without any good replacement in Windows 8

It's incredibly backwards

way back when, I used to use winamp

but 5.x is just bloatware

11:14 AM

It's gotten better again, I think

There's also SongBird, though I'm not sure if the desktop version is still maintained getsongbird.com/desktop

when I say mp3 player, I don't mean something that looks like itunes

I mean something like Winamp 2.x

tiny little small window that will minimise to a bar that will sit unobtrusively on the screen that plays music

The Zune media player could do that

I am unhappy that Microsoft retired WMP 'toolbar'

anyway it is time for bacon, brb

today is definitely a bacon day

11:19 AM

I have got a chicken and bacon baguette with melted cheese

I think WMP should still have its media controls available when you hover over it's icon in the taskbar

yes but that involves hovering over the taskbar

and doesn't resolve the buffering issues

Is foobar 2000 still around?

looks like it

Try that perhaps?

11:23 AM

that looks like an ugly application that doesn't minimise small enough to stick on top of something

It's very customizable

Or so I've heard

so much bacon

imgur.com/gallery/D6kkUL1

Ahhhhh thats how you edit :D

Twilight Sparkle - fanfic writer, ahahahahaha

I'm trying to find this PS1 game. It was colourful, it may of had enemys and involved jumping to platforms..... REALLY?

Q: Trying to redescover old PS1 game

11:39 AM

@djsmiley2k We've had worse before

Anyone still remember the one with MS Paint "screenshots"?

Lazers

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All i recall of this game is that is set in a colorful, 3D, alien-like world. I think it was a first-person camera, and it involved quite a bit of jumping to platforms. It may have had enemies, but i'm unsure. Any help finding which game it may have been is welcome.

ps1

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Actually that's awesome for it shows effort in the asking

while possibly forcing the asker to recall more details about the game than he would've otherwise

Neat, Singapore's getting new coins

The top ones are the old series, and the bottom ones the new series

@Lazers kill it with fire

another new eve patch

@kalina fixes for the last one, or do they update this often?

11:51 AM

@djsmiley2k 1.1 was released yesterday

1.1.2 got patched in today

there is normally a small bug fix patch every day or so

fair enoguh

Oooo sony not blocking preowned.

now lets hope thats an official line.

I wouldn't think they're that stupid, no

I would ¬_¬

99%

Too bad I can't ping Sterno right now.

what am i watching?

12:00 PM

@djsmiley2k If you haven't played XCOM don't bother.

XCOM was a good game but we didn't get on

k

looks kinda fun

@djsmiley2k The game is really, really good.

@kalina Are you personifying the games you play?

yah,....

12:03 PM

@YiJiang'sEvilClone yes

I am currently involved in a mad love affair with EVE Online behind World of Warcraft's back

Okay, who the he'll upvoted the ITG question?

I can't even type

Dear Boss, please let me go back to bed! plsplsplsplsplsplspls

in fairness, downvoting a question just because you're closing it is wrong anyway

I'm sure if people got out of the habit of downvoting off topic content rather than just close voting it, people wouldn't go around normalising it by upvoting them

When a question is closed as off topic they automatically get a -1 from the system

Nobody downvoted it

they do? I didn't know that

Off topic, NaRQ, not sure about NC.

Those get automatic downvote. The downvote isn't retracted even if the question is reopened

12:09 PM

surely that's a bug then?

No, by design

Don't ask questionable questions in the first place.

@StrixVaria I don't

@kalina I just meant that could be the justification for leaving a downvote on questions that got closed.

ah right

12:12 PM

@StrixVaria The question is then, where to ask a question about a questionable question when said questionable question already is on meta?

Of course, now I'm just trolling.

A: Stack Overflow's voting system is not entertaining enough

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I don't know who that fancy schmancy "Crono" guy of yours is, but do you remember this guy: Here's the Greasemonkey script to have Commander Keen help you out with downvoting: install script – view source In case you're not brave enough to try it out, or too nice to ever downvote, or n...

Not sure if this still works, but this is pretty rad

As they used to say

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Q: Should questions closed as "not a real question" and "off topic" get an automatic downvote?

We currently have five standard close reasons network wide: exact duplicate This question covers exactly the same ground as earlier questions on this topic; its answers may be merged with another identical question. off topic Questions on Stack Overflow are expected to generally rela...

discussion status-completed down-votes close-reasons

Lazers

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Q: Is there a (preferrably computer readable) Database of Ingress portals?

For a little project of mine I would need a database of Ingress portals (Name, Picture-URL and Location). I know i could extract it from the Intel map, but i assume someone else had made the effort before. It does not have to be "live" data, but a snapshot from the last month or so. Do you know...

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Q: Assassin's Creed 3 runs slow continuously and voice is out of sync

@fbueckert This question is another example of what I'm talking about. New user asks technical question, initial question is sparse on details and pretty crappy - but user is engaged and willing to provide additional information. After some suggestions, user agrees to investigate and report back. Within the first few minutes of posting, the question got 3 downvotes, and less than 24 hours later the question is closed as too localized.

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When playing Assassin's Creed 3 the game is sluggish and audio often gets out of sync. This is a continuous problem that I experience during cutscenes and during regular gameplay. Sometimes it gets better temporarily, but only for a short time. I have run Far Cry 3 and Mass Effect 3 on my rig,...

technical-issues assassins-creed-3

Meanwhile, there is an 87 page thread on the Ubisoft forums describing very similar behavior. Is that really "too localized"?

12:28 PM

@EBongo I would be surprised if a thread titled "Game X Low FPS" posted on Game X's forums did not gain 87 pages of replies

@YiJiang'sEvilClone I'm not arguing that. For any given PC game, there will be a decent number of users that experience technical issues. It's the nature of PC gaming. My point is, the question is allow by policy - the users is engaged and trying to improve - and a potentially large audience could benefit from a good answer - how does that fit the criteria for closing as "too localized"?

@EBongo I did mention troubleshooting being less than loved. I think we actually kind of suck at it in general. That said, I'm not one of the people who closed it so... I don't know really

It doesn't help that I'm rather bad at it myself.

OrigamiRobot

@MartinSojka The question is which is to be master----that’s all.

@badp You did, and believe me I hear the collective groan every time one of these questions is asked. I think they are a type of questions a lot of the active users don't like answering, but they remain allowed by policy and I think that's because there is no good reason they shouldn't be - besides "we don't like them".

@YiJiang'sEvilClone They're kind of like the euro too.

12:33 PM

The question is really, if that thread had 200 people asking about low FPS, is it 200 people facing different issues or is there something common about all (most?) of them.

@EBongo Yeah, I tentatively agree

The people who close as Too Localized would argue for the former

@YiJiang'sEvilClone site:bay12forums.com "low fps"

Raven Dreamer

DEAD TO ME! >:(

Maybe @fredley can help me see the other point of the argument?

12:33 PM

@MartinSojka Ahahahaha, yeah, that...

Q: Extremely low FPS in Dwarf Fortress

We actually do have that one ...

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5 FPS. 5 (FIVE)!!! After two weeks of playing with 40-60 at least. Kind of slow motion movie. What can cause such effect? 160-height tunnel to magma sea? 40x40x6 designated dig area? Pets(but most of them already caged)?

dwarf-fortress

@RavenDreamer salutations you fish

Raven Dreamer

Rabble rabble, grouse, story grumble, brumble, Itallian Salute.

@badp I think the argument is that everyone who have low FPS in AC3 faces low FPS for a different reason. It's just a common symptom with no common cause or cure. Of course, I don't see any evidence to support or disprove this line of argument.

Raven Dreamer

@badp Buongiorno.

12:35 PM

@YiJiang'sEvilClone I could actually see more of an argument for the question being too general than being too localized. I think it would be fair to ask the user for more debug information to narrow down their specific issue - which is what I was doing...

@RavenDreamer mumble mumble, scoot scoot.

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@badp Something something those not present

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Hey, hey, there's plenty of reasons to scoot scoot.

A cranky shark, for example, is an excellent reason to scoot scoot.

Not that I'd be referring to anybody in particular

I don't know, if I was faced with an angry shark I'd maneuver faster than merely scooting my chair

@YiJiang'sEvilClone I'm mostly hoping for tunnel vision. If I scoot slowly enough, maybe he won't notice.

12:42 PM

Not so much "tunnel vision" as the simple fact that all animals see fast movements way better than slow ones.

It works for people too. :)

Unless the shark is the one from Jaws I'd simple move away from the edge of the water. If you're in the water, well, I'm not sure how you can scoot your chair in the first place.

Q: Why does Starcraft 2 custom maps have no imported 3d models?

if your scooting fast enough you can build up a pressure wave and surf to shore.

urgh I had the most horrible dreams last night

i was actually loosing my mind

Lazers

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In Warcraft 3, map editors were able to import any custom 3d model objects into their maps. I have yet to see a single Starcraft 2 custom games have an imported custom model. Why is this? Does Galaxy Editor have no such feature? Or is it because of the difficulty?

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