The Bridge

10:00 PM

@AshleyNunn Anyone of enough rep in chat can validate a flag completely out of context in chat. Comparatively, on site, you either have to be in context, or a moderator of that site who should really know to look at context.

GnomeSlice

3 mins ago, by GnomeSlice

I still think someone needs to open a meta thread about our chat flagging.

OrigamiRobot

@ArdaXi Wait, it doesn't work like that already?

GnomeSlice

@OrigamiRobot Nope.

Grace Note

@AshleyNunn Also, a chat flag results in a suspension, while an offensive flag decidedly does not.

OrigamiRobot

@GnomeSlice That's crazy.

Mana

10:02 PM

oh god I hate sitting in the same spot for prolonged periods of time.

this train ride needs to end already.

oh, hey, speak of the devil.

see you guys in a bit.

Grace Note

Later, @Mana.

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote I like your current gravatar much more than the previous one.

Arda Xi

@OrigamiRobot No, you get suspended for 30 minutes first offence.

Grace Note

@OrigamiRobot Because it's not blindingly pastel or because you can actually recognize who she is?

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote The former. I don't recognize any of your gravatars.

@ArdaXi This seems extreme.

Grace Note

10:07 PM

None of them?

Arda Xi

@OrigamiRobot I concur.

OrigamiRobot

None that I've seen

Grace Note

@ArdaXi Or an hour.

user15026

@GraceNote Why do I have to potentially give up my anonymity and discomfort/irritation/hurtfeeling/triggering/offense to give warning to someone who i offending me (intentional or otherwise)? This is a public room, people should think before they type, regardless of how lax or whatnot the Bridge is purported to be.

Grace Note

@OrigamiRobot Have you seen the full grallery?

OrigamiRobot

10:08 PM

@GraceNote Negative

Arda Xi

@GraceNote Not first offence, right?

GnomeSlice

I almost always get an hour now.

Grace Note

@AshleyNunn I'm not saying you have to give it up, I'm just explaining the reason why people are bit more up-in-arms about chat flags over site flags.

GnomeSlice

8 mins ago, by GnomeSlice

3 mins ago, by GnomeSlice

I still think someone needs to open a meta thread about our chat flagging.

user15026

@GraceNote Fair enough, but I don't understand why it is a problem - the system is in place for a reason. I should not have to explain why something is offensive before I flag it.

Arda Xi

10:09 PM

@AshleyNunn Is it fair to assume anyone will know exactly what offends you if you don't communicate that offence in any way, shape or form?

Ian Pugsley

@GraceNote I was about to say "grallery?" until I noticed the context

Grace Note

For @Ian and @Origami: so.mrozekma.com/gravatars/30498037-168a-4055-a849-0c31c2b1d863

OrigamiRobot

@GnomeSlice You do it :P

user15026

@ArdaXi Is it fair to assume that people can just freely say what they like?

Arda Xi

@AshleyNunn Yes.

GnomeSlice

10:10 PM

@OrigamiRobot That wouldn't be constructive or I'd have done it already.

Arda Xi

Until they are informed otherwise, of course.

OrigamiRobot

@GnomeSlice Why not?

user15026

@ArdaXi Then why have a flagging system at all?

Arda Xi

For example, there have been incidents in the past which I shall not name in which I have used language which offended someone, without my knowing it. They informed me, and I adapted.

@AshleyNunn As a last resort, if someone won't listen or is systematically problematic.

GnomeSlice

@OrigamiRobot Because I get suspended for saying 'Shut up'. You really think anyone is going to take a meta thread written by me seriously.

OrigamiRobot

10:11 PM

@GraceNote None.

@GnomeSlice I would. It doesn't have to come off as whining.

@GnomeSlice I would

@GnomeSlice I would.

@GnomeSlice Depends on the number of full screen, meme-based images you want to use in the question body.

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote I recognize this one!

@RavenDreamer Let me think about that. None. I don't see the fascination with gigantic meme images.

@GraceNote How do you get a different gravatar per site, anyway?

OrigamiRobot

10:13 PM

@GraceNote If you ever found a LoD picture that you like, I'd recognize exactly one.

Arda Xi

@GnomeSlice username+sitename@domainname.com

Grace Note

@OrigamiRobot So you never had a Super Nintendo, did you?

GnomeSlice

@ArdaXi Pardon?

Arda Xi

Well, IIRC SE uses Gmail.

And Gmail ignores everything past a + sign.

Grace Note

(The fact that only two of those come non-obscure SNES titles is besides the point)

GnomeSlice

10:14 PM

@ArdaXi So I need to make a new account for each site?

Arda Xi

So if I had arda@gmail.com for example, I could use arda+gaming@gmail.com

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote Which one should I recognize?

Arda Xi

@GnomeSlice No, arda+gaming@gmail.com is sent to arda@gmail.com

GnomeSlice

Oh.

I need to register a new email with each site?

Arda Xi

And Gravatar allows you to set up multiple emails and multiple avatars.

Raven Dreamer

10:15 PM

@GnomeSlice meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/3391/…

@GnomeSlice meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/3211/are-you-kidding-me

;)

GnomeSlice

@RavenDreamer That was such a serious post.

@RavenDreamer That one too.

Raven Dreamer

I know.

GnomeSlice

Oh. I get it.

No, I get it now.

ಠ_ಠ

@RavenDreamer How did you even find those?

They're deleted.

Grace Note

That's not a problem for us

Raven Dreamer

If anything, I think you posting a serious meta topic would do more to rehabilitate your image than anything else.

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Arda Xi

10:16 PM

@GnomeSlice He's a mod.

Raven Dreamer

So I say... go for it! o/

GnomeSlice

I can see them because I have some kind of Chrome userscript, I guess, but I wouldn't have been able to find them.

@RavenDreamer I've posted lots of serious meta topics...

Raven Dreamer

@GnomeSlice You can see them since they're your questions.

GnomeSlice

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Q: Background Bullying Me On My Meta Profile

Possible Duplicate: Left side of profile page is cut off Clearly the background on Meta has never heard of 'personal space'. Can someone deal with this jerk?

Raven Dreamer

@GnomeSlice So post more!

GnomeSlice

10:17 PM

@RavenDreamer No, you still can't see deleted posts.

Arda Xi

@GnomeSlice 10kers can see recently deleted posts, for values of recent of maximum of 30 days.

GnomeSlice

@ArdaXi I don't have 10k.

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Q: Obese Icon on Meta

I've noticed that the inbox notification icon on Meta seems to have put on a little weight. Depicted below are the icons of both sites, with the main site on top, and meta on the bottom.

bug status-completed design

I think I added a Chrome userscript at some point, that let me view deleted posts.

Raven Dreamer

Ah, well.

GnomeSlice

The vote counts show up as '?'

Grace Note

@OrigamiRobot Just... any of the SNES ones, really, is what I had hoped. Granted, again, there are only two, so that means two games out of that entire era, so the possibility of you not having played those is, well, it's not that small.

GnomeSlice

10:19 PM

But people don't vote on or flag things based on the correct criteria any more.

It's similar to why this got so many downvotes:

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Q: Questions about the portrayal of women in games

There's been a huge debate over a question asked by me on the main site: How are women portrayed in King's Bounty: Armored Princess? It's been closed three times already. We should come to a resolution on this.

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Arda Xi

@GnomeSlice You're implying they ever have.

GnomeSlice

Even though a meta topic is what you're supposed to do when there's a controversial thing on the site, those four people just didn't like the idea and downvoted the meta thread as well, when they should have only downvoted the site question.

StrixVaria

@GnomeSlice Whoa I just went here and saw that I upvoted it before.

Grace Note

I don't know Ian's history, what with him being a young'un, so I don't really have any faith in him getting a lot of the avatar images, though.

GnomeSlice

@StrixVaria Why is that a problem?

Lazers

10:21 PM

0

Q: Help me identify this Nes battle game

I remember playing this on my nes.It must be a classic, since all the games i owned turned out to be. *It was produced by nintendo You controlled a kind of tower\radar, in a battle agains other war vehicles. The goal was to invade\destroy the enemy's base. The game was set in a outdoor ambient. I...

identify-this-game

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote He hates JRPGs so he would not recognize any that fit that criteria.

StrixVaria

@GnomeSlice I was just surprised since you used it as an example of something getting a lot of downvotes. And then I go there and I upvoted it.

Usually I'm the first to downvote stuff.

GnomeSlice

@StrixVaria You do it for the right reasons though.

Raven Dreamer

Hey, I upvoted that too.

GnomeSlice

The question's vote count should reflect the community's opinion of whether or not it's a goof fit for the site, not the meta thread's vote count.

Raven Dreamer

10:23 PM

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Q: Should we consider some kind of escalation when flagging in chat?

So, I found out about the flagging system in the chat area the hard way today (Its only the action as I do not know how to link to transcripts and its not like I can go to chat and ask like I normally do). From what I can gather it seems to be a 30min ban per flagging, or maybe I got more than on...

discussion

And while we were waiting...

haha

GnomeSlice

HAH.

Grace Note

@OrigamiRobot That's actually only about 1/3 of them, if you include strategy and tactical RPGs in the mix.

OrigamiRobot

@RavenDreamer NOT IRONY

Grace Note

@RavenDreamer Perhaps, really, the solution that would work in both meeting halfway with @AshleyNunn's points, is that resolving the flag should be something handled better, not necessarily how the incident is brought up to begin with.

Ian Pugsley

@GraceNote at work ATM; can't tell how many I (don't) know

Raven Dreamer

10:26 PM

@GraceNote Yes, I agree.

GnomeSlice

Bleh, gravatar is too complicated.

Raven Dreamer

@OrigamiRobot The irony is that we were trying to convince @GnomeSlice to post it, and before we could do so, someone else did.

Why do you think that's not ironic?

Grace Note

As it stands the current methodology doesn't encourage much past "Look and confirm". Whereas, in the site system, a moderator who sees a borderline offensive thing is probably going to swoop in and say 'Oi, you, quit that wording!".

@IanPugsley Up to you if you feel like it after work, not gonna push this on you like I did with Mana.

@OrigamiRobot I looked for a nice image that I would like to use, but not been successful in that endeavor.

OrigamiRobot

@RavenDreamer That's not what irony is. There is no incongruity.

Ian Pugsley

@GraceNote if I get higher than zero I will be amazed

Grace Note

10:29 PM

@IanPugsley I will be happy, because that would put you higher than @agent86.

Fabian

@GraceNote It's pretty much "Fastest to click decides the flag", if you take your time and look up the transcript, the flags are usually handled when you're back

Raven Dreamer

room topic changed to The Bridge: General Chat Room for Gaming.SE. The main quarters of Gaming's SEI AskQuestion Mothership, wherein we compare and contrast the relative merits of LASERs and LAZERS and their patented applications in diamond making and cat exercising. [hint-lazers-win-big-time]

Grace Note

@Fabian Yeah, so it is. I saw the blue and before I could even click on the flag icon on my gravatar, it already got blasted.

...I think Strix might be able to get over 0 on that image.

Raven Dreamer

@OrigamiRobot You're being pedantic.

Grace Note

But that's because I know (or at least, figure) that he enjoys strategy RPGs.

GnomeSlice

10:30 PM

@RavenDreamer Someone is a sore loser. :P

Ian Pugsley

@RavenDreamer he ususally is

GnomeSlice

Okay, I give up. I cannot figure out how to change my gravatar.

Grace Note

@GnomeSlice You change your email on your account.

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote How do I use a different email for two SE sites?

Grace Note

@GnomeSlice By... editing your profile.

We don't push changes unless you tell us to.

GnomeSlice

10:32 PM

HOW I DO DIS

'my logins'?

Grace Note

It's not the login field, it's specifically the field "email" when you edit your account.

OrigamiRobot

@RavenDreamer I don't think pointing out the difference between coincidence and irony is pedantic.

GnomeSlice

I don't see any edit button.

Grace Note

Look left of "my logins"

GnomeSlice

Grace Note

10:33 PM

That's your meta profile. Go to the main site.

GnomeSlice

I want to change my Meta avatarrrrr.

Grace Note

Your meta avatar is the same as your main avatar. No chance.

GnomeSlice

What.

But.

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote Most of those seem like art from a manual. I did not own an SNES and so did not read any manuals for SNES games I played.

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote Your SO and Meta SO avatars are different.

agent86

10:34 PM

@GraceNote hey, I identified your current avatar. so :P

Raven Dreamer

@GraceNote except on MSO?

agent86

I'm just not any good at these "fanart" versions of characters. chances are I've played at least a few of the games that they came from, although I missed out on a large chunk of the PS1 era :(

Grace Note

@GnomeSlice MSO and SO are not in a main-meta relationship

GnomeSlice

Ah, crepe.

That's annoying.

Grace Note

@OrigamiRobot Only seven actually are artwork from their respective games, though an additional two of them are from the same artists as the original works.

agent86

10:37 PM

@GraceNote, how do I view all of them at once? I feel like you linked there at one point.

Grace Note

27 mins ago, by Grace Note

For @Ian and @Origami: http://so.mrozekma.com/gravatars/30498037-168a-4055-a849-0c31c2b1d863

To be fair, I will note that Photo, Stats, TeX, Maths, Unix, Bicycles, Apple, SharePoint, and Skeptics are all not actually thematically matching, directly or otherwise.

All of the others match either the site's theme or some other symbolic nature of that site, either obviously or subtly or as part of a really stupid pun.

Raven Dreamer

@GraceNote are you using Cho'gath girl somewhere?

GnomeSlice

You need more gravatars like this:

Raven Dreamer

Post the link, not the image, please.

GnomeSlice

Wow, that got removed before it even finished loading on my screen.

Grace Note

10:40 PM

@RavenDreamer That's on Area 51, which the API doesn't touch.

Raven Dreamer

and add a (possibly NSFW)

Grace Note

So, yeah, if @Origami had seen that, he might've possibly recognized her.

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote You need more Gravatars like this (probably nsfw).

Not that I would recognize any more of them than your current selection.

Which is none.

Grace Note

@GnomeSlice Part of the unspoken criteria (and by extension why I haven't just gone with the Meru I can currently find for Legend of Dragoon) is that I also have to like the image, and I'm not really entirely fond of that kind of image, so to speak.

Raven Dreamer

Is that from a thing, or is it just generic anime art?

LEGEND OF DRAGOOOON?!

OrigamiRobot

10:43 PM

@GnomeSlice I'm so proud of you :P

GnomeSlice

@RavenDreamer I have no idea, I googled 'hot anime girl'.

Raven Dreamer

facepalm

GnomeSlice

@OrigamiRobot don't be, the first one got removed.

And with that, my homework is finished for tonight.

Grace Note

@RavenDreamer To be fair, I think he was more focusing on the "aesthetic" of that image than on who the actual character was. If he had already forgotten the spoken criteria for my selections, I'd have to find new and unusual ways to hurt him.

GnomeSlice

Ah shit, I've only asked two soul calibur V questions?

OrigamiRobot

10:44 PM

@GnomeSlice The other day? That was my fault. I didn't know all flags resulted in suspension. I was at work and panicked.

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote criteria?

@OrigamiRobot What?

Grace Note

Oh, speaking of which, @GnomeSlice, you know that rainbow-y unicorn girl picture you've posted a couple times? Did you know that's actually supposed to be from Robot Unicorn Attack?

GnomeSlice

I thought you were proud of me for posting that image as a text link.

@GraceNote That's... strange.

OrigamiRobot

@GnomeSlice Yes

GnomeSlice

But unsurprising, I guess.

Grace Note

10:45 PM

When you've see depictions of SOPA and PIPA as ladies, you start to stop being surprised at those things, yeah.

GnomeSlice

Heh.

OrigamiRobot

A day or two ago you posted an image that you quickly converted to a link.

GnomeSlice

@OrigamiRobot Someone asked me to.

OrigamiRobot

@GnomeSlice Right and you still got suspended. That was my bad.

Grace Note

Feb 2 at 19:14, by Grace Note

The requirements for my images are: "Must originate from a video game", and "Must be a girl, girl or otherwise". I am currently also trying to keep up a "Don't use any IP more than once"

GnomeSlice

10:47 PM

@GraceNote Oh, I thought you were talking about the criteria you JUST posted.

Grace Note

Though I admit I have now dropped the "Don't use any IP more than once" thanks to, in fact, this Outdoors image.

GnomeSlice

4 mins ago, by Grace Note

@GnomeSlice Part of the unspoken criteria (and by extension why I haven't just gone with the Meru I can currently find for Legend of Dragoon) is that I also have to like the image, and I'm not really entirely fond of that kind of image, so to speak.

Raven Dreamer

@GraceNote What's the difference between a girl and a girl?

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote I don't even know what IP means.

Grace Note

@GnomeSlice Notice the word "unspoken" there, which differentiates itself from the part where I said "spoken".

Raven Dreamer

10:48 PM

@GnomeSlice intellectual property. i.e., a series

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote Ah, right.

Grace Note

@RavenDreamer Well, take Cho'Gath as an example of the "otherwise" department.

Raven Dreamer

Legend of Dragoon was my first favorite RPG that I totally would have rocked at if I had actually owned a playstation.

Lazers

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Q: Should we consider some kind of escalation when flagging in chat?

So, I found out about the flagging system in the chat area the hard way today (Its only the action as I do not know how to link to transcripts and its not like I can go to chat and ask like I normally do). From what I can gather it seems to be a 30min ban per flagging, or maybe I got more than on...

discussion

GnomeSlice

Oh right. I know what Intellectual Property is. I've played Wallace and Gromit's Sprocket Rocket.

Grace Note

10:49 PM

@RavenDreamer I rocked at Legend of Dragoon despite owning only a PS2 and not LoD.

Raven Dreamer

@GraceNote It had timed hits.

FallenAngelEyes

hm, suspension drama while I was alt-tabbed :o

Grace Note

I actually have no clue on Fallen's potential success rate if I think about it.

RedriderX

@GnomeSlice Woooooh, Wallace and Gromit!

OrigamiRobot

I got LoD back in the days where I knew nothing about games before I aquired them and they were mostly aquired through random gifts.

Grace Note

10:50 PM

@RavenDreamer Aye, did.

GnomeSlice

Just to be clear, that Wallace and Gromit game is fantastic. It's one of my favourite browser games of all time.

Grace Note

@OrigamiRobot I borrowed it from the same person who I got advice on FF7 from, way back in the day.

Raven Dreamer

@GraceNote potential... success rate?

GnomeSlice

@RedriderX Have you actually played it? :D

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote I played FF7 after LoD and hated it for not being LoD.

Grace Note

10:50 PM

@RavenDreamer On identifying images from the Grallery.

Raven Dreamer

Ah.

Grace Note

@OrigamiRobot Haha, lots of people I hear about are the opposite - LoD gets so much ire for being considered a "clone" in terms of plot. I liked both, myself.

RedriderX

@GnomeSlice Not this game actually, but I just really like Wallace and Gromit.

FallenAngelEyes

@ArdaXi To be fair, when people bring up the fact that certain language may make them uncomfortable here, people do say stuff to the effect of "lighten up/don't take it seriously/it's just a joke" which basically says "You're not justified to complain about this."

GnomeSlice

This is pretty much how I imagine @GraceNote looks.

RedriderX

10:52 PM

I have played Shaun the Sheep games though.

GnomeSlice

Plus or minus the wheelchair.

But keeping the missile thing.

Grace Note

I'm flattered ♪

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote I didn't care about the story at the time. I liked the mechanics a lot better.

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote And terrifying.

FallenAngelEyes

Which in turn makes people less likely to feel comfortable about bringing up what they may find offensive publicly

RedriderX

10:52 PM

@GnomeSlice Seems about right...

Grace Note

@OrigamiRobot I like the attack nature. I wasn't entirely impressed with the elements outside of attacking, and this is even from a perspective that loves item combat.

Raven Dreamer

@GraceNote You just like that he gave you a massive weapon.

Grace Note

@RavenDreamer I have a shirt that in no uncertain terms talks about Japan having "Sailor Suited Mecha Babes Wielding World Cleaving Daiklaves", so, yes, specifically because it's also a missile launcher.

GnomeSlice

Here's a fun game, see how many random anime girls posted from a google search @GraceNote can identify.

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote Well if I'm not looking at the story, that pretty much leaves only combat. Also, I am a master at pressing a button really fast.

Grace Note

10:54 PM

@GnomeSlice Chances are slim, actually.

GnomeSlice

Fark, first link and it's broken.

Raven Dreamer

@GnomeSlice I thought that was funnier, honestly.

GnomeSlice