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12:00 AM
@GraceNote It's amazing how very small bits of information gradually add up to someone who pays attention.
 
@ArdaXi In a sense, I'm kinda excited to see that someone did pay that much attention.
 
@GraceNote weird, I was sure you would find it creepy.
 
@GraceNote Like I said, I don't lead a very exciting life.
 
@ArdaXi Gah.
 
@Mana I'd find it creepy if he found this stuff out without all the subtle points dropped here and there.
 
12:01 AM
This is the best I got:
 
@GraceNote It struck me first as kind of rude, but if you're not offended, then I shouldn't be on your behalf.
 
@ArdaXi Nor do I, at least not in this world.
@FallenAngelEyes I trust @Arda not to do anything rude or against my wishes with the information he's discovered, beyond possibly understanding why I am the way I am.
 
sigh
 
@GraceNote I definitely would not. I didn't intend anything with it.
Besides, you'd basically implied before that you didn't mind people knowing who you are, you just didn't want to publicize that information, and I respect that.
 
That's why I trust you. I've been betrayed enough times in this life, anyway. ♪
 
12:04 AM
So dramatic.
 
You really don't want to hear that story. It's kinda miserable, honestly.
 
@GraceNote Gotcha.
 
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Q: Overlord DLC Achievment: Data Hound

RapidaWhere are the Data Packets for the Data Hound Achievement? And if I've missed one can I return to get it later?

 
@GraceNote that's fair. I have my share of kinda miserable stories too.
 
If anything I'm just showing anyone could do it, I'm probably just the only one who'd even try.
 
12:06 AM
@Mana Don't ever talk to me again.
@ArdaXi Oh, I've tried, I'm just not very good at it I guess.
It drives me nuts not knowing if I should use 'he' or 'she'. x_x
 
Anyway. I'm going to go to sleep.
 
Yeah. Night man.
 
I think I've creeped enough people out for today.
 
Weltrusten
 
Oh, don't worry, you do that enough already. HAAAAAAAAAA.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....
 
12:08 AM
@Mana I know, Alex, I know.
 
goes back to Lisp
 
You may think you know Alex. But you don't have a clue. (ominous)
 
I'm not a very exciting guy to know, anyways.
 
You have a girlfriend.
That basically makes you a rockstar.
Have you never visited the internet?
 
Yeah, that's true, now that she's dating me I find a lot of the posts I read about people being forever alone more annoying/funny
 
12:11 AM
@Mana Atta boy.
 
@Mana You too?
 
Man, I speak lowly of people who do dickish things, but the truth is that under different circumstances, I'd be the biggest asshole ever.
 
@GnomeSlice Don't gnome, you already are.
 
I'm serious.
 
@GnomeSlice You're kinda crude, you know that?
 
12:14 AM
@Mana Yes.
Case in point.
 
@GraceNote As near as I can tell, it's arcane shift mystic shot auto attack, pause auto attack.
 
@RavenDreamer That's what @Rapida and I just tested. If you Arcane then auto, there's so much obvious it happening that it's clearly not in that video. Thanks for getting back to me, though
 
Why were you wondering?
@Mana I think you need to change your avatar to Jane.
 
@RavenDreamer See comment exchange on this answer. @Rapida is researching some kind of "3 actions per second" rule he thinks he's heard of, but until then, I'm standing by my stance of "There's a recovery animation on some actions".
 
@RavenDreamer After the most recent update and considering how I was never able to confess my feelings to her, I'm beginning to think you're right.
 
12:18 AM
@RavenDreamer Why would he change his gravatar to a female? @mana is a dude, remember?
 
@RavenDreamer @GraceNote I'm only concerned I've pulled that "rule" from some other game, but so far my google-fu fails me (which doesn't really give much hope to the alleged rule)
 
@Wipqozn And your own hypocrisy in this matter means nothing to you?\
 
@Wipqozn @AnnaLear's got a picture of a girl on her avatar but we all know that she's just a cat.
 
@GraceNote Excellent point.
 
@GraceNote ha...haven't heard that one before...
 
12:20 AM
@RavenDreamer What do you mean?
 
@GraceNote Not sure these things apply to you.
 
A shoulder cat, too, if I'm not mistaken.
 
clap...clap...clap
 
@Wipqozn What gender is applejack?
I'll give you two guesses.
 
@RavenDreamer Female.
 
12:20 AM
2 mins ago, by Wipqozn
@RavenDreamer Why would he change his gravatar to a female? @mana is a dude, remember?
 
@RavenDreamer I still don't see how this applies.
 
Man, Pixelry is so hard.
 
@Mana How long have you been ignoring me for? :P
 
@Wipqozn You're a dude with a female gravatar. Why won't you let Mana be a dude with a female gravatar?
 
@RavenDreamer I really don't see where you're going with this.
 
12:22 AM
I think @Wipqozn just wanted an excuse to link @Mana's non sequitur
 
@GraceNote So clever.
I couldn't pass up on this chance to have little fun with @RavenDreamer of course.
 
Being intentionally daft in an unironic way is unamusing.
 
@RavenDreamer Unamusing for you
I don't believe I've ever claimed I do things to amuse others.
 
You can lead a lambda calculus, but y combinator.
 
Also, who is this mysterious "Jane" person you gents are speaking of?
 
12:24 AM
Homestuck, I would imagine
 
@RavenDreamer Tell me about it.
 
I'm uploading the video from the spleef tournament now, so stay tuned in 700 minutes.
 
^^^ mana
 
@RonanForman That's a lotta minutes
 
12:25 AM
Never mind, I'm actually just derping now.
 
@Wipqozn Naw. New panels. Usually 4-6 per update.
 
720p is a lot of pixels, especially for 20 minutes.
 
@Mana Yeah, I realize that after I sent it.
The evidence is destroy now.
 
Come on, one more push and you're through.
 
I'm trying to sign into the Xbox Live website and I can't do it using my account name. I need an e-mail address. I don't remember ever giving them an e-mail address in the first place.
That seems broken.
What kind of stupid website doesn't let you log in using your account name?
 
12:27 AM
...I'm trying to remember where I set up my email address with my Live account. It's been years.
 
@RavenDreamer So, what do you think was with this, anyways? Why would she say no?
 
@Mana Panic.
 
@RavenDreamer I guess, yeah.
 
Panic does a number on logic.
 
@StrixVaria I'd assume a @hotmail.com or @msn.com account, if you have one of those?
 
12:29 AM
@StrixVaria Yeah, my friend made an account with my name before I had an xbox, and then couldn't remember his login information, so I couldn't get the name transferred to my current account. =[
 
@FallenAngelEyes I don't.
 
@GnomeSlice Yeah, one time use, and you can't use the name ever again
 
@FallenAngelEyes I got locked out of my hotmail account almost 10 years ago because parental controls kicked in, owned by an account that was deleted due to inactivity.
 
Which sucks, because when I went to initially sign up, I used this name, but my session timed out
 
@FallenAngelEyes You can if you get it switched, I think.
 
12:29 AM
But apparently it was enough to lock my name down
 
@FallenAngelEyes Oh wow...
That's ridiculous.
You should have contacted them.
 
@GnomeSlice Nope. :/ Once a name is used, you can never use it again.
I did.
 
@FallenAngelEyes wat.
That's dumb...
 
I was really really raging that day.
 
It's xbox, what do you expect?
 
12:30 AM
I should dinner
 
@RonanForman Yeah, all the cool kids still do all their gaming on the Super Nintendo.
 
Contacted support on the phone, same story, even though it was me that took the name. -_-
 
@FallenAngelEyes What did they tell you?
 
@Wipqozn Clearly you use a pc with an xbox controller plugged in.
 
@RonanForman I do that...
 
12:32 AM
@GnomeSlice Same deal. Once a name is used, even if you were the previous holder, you can never use the handle again. :/
 
It's so much cheaper.
 
@FallenAngelEyes Wow...
 
You don't have to pay twice for Internet.
 
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Q: Where are the Dancers?

Ashley NunnI am trying to find all the Dancers in Castelia City so I can battle them all and they can form some sort of dance team or something. I have spoken to and defeated the one by the fountain in the Central Plaza, but other than that, I can't find any Dancers. Where are they hiding?

 
@RonanForman I don't have an xbox gold account.
 
12:33 AM
And so your xbox is practically worthless
 
@RonanForman I hate that.
 
Nah
 
That's why I rarely game on my xbox anymore. I don't want to pay MS $50 a year just so I can game online.
 
@GnomeSlice Yeah. -_-
 
My internet can't really handle online play anyway.
 
12:34 AM
@Wipqozn Ugh, that reminds me, my subscription renewal's coming up next month.
 
Don't do it!
 
@RonanForman Yes. You could just buy a whole other game instead.
 
They don't deserve your money.
@Wipqozn Maybe the one you want to play, but for PC.
 
@Wipqozn I avoid this by just not playing games that need online play.
 
I'm starting to get the feeling @RonanForman really hates Microsoft.
 
12:36 AM
@Wipqozn No, just the xbox bit.
 
@RonanForman They don't. But I don't exactly have a lot of offline friends in this country.
 
@GraceNote Yeah, I prefer single-player as well, but when I do buy a game and intend to play it's online multiplayer that's the only reason I buy it.
 
I can only Rock Band with others through online play. :(
 
I actually like the xbox the most of all of Microsoft's stuff.
 
And SR3.
 
12:36 AM
Well, plus their mice are excellent.
 
So being forced to spend another $50 if it's on the XBOX is really annoying.
 
Not being interested in any of the online games on the 360 helps.
 
I've thought about buying Skydrift for PC even though I have it for Xbox already.
I'm really good at it, and I want to play it online.
 
All 360 games I'm interested in are single-player or couch multi.
 
@GnomeSlice How is that?
I saw TotalBiscuit's review, I was thinking of picking it up.
 
12:37 AM
@FallenAngelEyes It's great, if you're into arcade racers.
 
@GraceNote Yeah, a lot of them are FPS.
 
@ArdaXi ಠ_ರೃ
 
I'm in the top page of leaderboard entries on a BUNCH of the tracks.
 
Which I'd prefer to play on PC anyways, not to mention I'd just prefer to play TF2 over COD or Halo.
 
@Wipqozn I cannot play an FPS game without a mouse.
 
12:37 AM
@GnomeSlice I definitely am, it looked very fun.
 
At least I was last time I looked.
 
It is the single most frustrating experience imaginable.
 
@FallenAngelEyes Yeah, it's fun, go for it.
 
@StrixVaria What about an RTS without a mouse?
 
I prefer a gamepad with FPS's.
 
12:38 AM
The other annoying thing is all the FPSes are made for xbox, but you can't play them with a controller!
 
@GnomeSlice Cool, I'll throw it on my steam wishlist
 
@Wipqozn Not being a major FPS gamer helps.
 
@Wipqozn I've never tried that but it sounds just as bad.
 
@StrixVaria is the proud owner of Starcraft 64
 
@StrixVaria Pikmin
 
12:38 AM
I'm just really annoyed, there are some plane skins you can't unlock without playing online.
 
@Wipqozn I don't understand how people played StarCraft on N64
 
@Lazers Does this Twitter account link need to be machine-parsable somehow?
 
@GraceNote I heard that was really good actually.
 
@GnomeSlice In?
 
@GraceNote Never played it. It sounded pretty gimmicky so I was never interested.
 
12:39 AM
@GraceNote Skydrift.
 
@Brant Not completely.
 
@Grace That game is frustrating!
 
I have it for xbox but don't have a Gold account.
 
@FallenAngelEyes I don't think they did. I own Starcraft 64, but that's only because it's rare and I like owning rare games.
 
@GnomeSlice So have I.
 
12:39 AM
@Wipqozn Hahaha
 
@GnomeSlice Ah
 
So I've been debating buying it again for PC.
 
@FallenAngelEyes I tried to play that once, it was...frustrating.
 
@Wipqozn I've seen RTS being played on a console. It looked like you just couldn't react fast enough to do anything. Either you steamrolled the opponent because the AI was on easy mode or lost because the controls were too stupid.
 
I can respect that. Over the years, I've ended up being more of a game collector than player. This is probably not a good thing.
 
12:40 AM
An RTS designed for the console is one thing, but Starcraft 64 fills me with dread just thinking about it.
 
I can't even play RTS with a mouse because there's too much to do at once.
 
(Has anyone played Halo Wars?)
 
I was hoping Oil Rush would have gamepad support. It doesn't.
 
@Brant I have
 
@Brant No. I'm not a Halo fan, and that game just felt like fan service to me. I heard it was good for a console RTS though.
 
12:41 AM
@Brant No, the only Halo game I ever played was Halo PC. Because of the mouse/joystick thing.
 
@Brant Not much.
 
@GnomeSlice Joy2Key?
 
The controls work ok, but the game itself is annoyingly buggy
 
@FallenAngelEyes Not sure, it mostly needs mouse.
 
I heard halo wars was really simple.
 
12:42 AM
Anyway, sleep time. Laters!
 
An RTS that works well without a mouse must by definition be simple.
 
I prefer playing Airmech with a gamepad.
 
night @Ronan
 
(catching up on backlog) Hey, where did Powerlord go?
 
@Brant ...oof, you missed that, eh?
 
12:42 AM
Yes. :(
 
@Brant He saw Agent86's quick rise to prominence as a flaw in the SE system, so he decided he didn't want to be part of it.
 
Oh.
 
That's... odd.
He didn't do the same thing after my quick rise to prominence.
 
Well, I guess that's a valid opinion.
 
@Brant There was actually a meta thread about one of the things he raised.
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Q: Should we care if an answer is from Googled information, as long as it is right?

SternoOver on the nominations page, one of the nominations has a large comment discussion about this. Some of us have been hoping that the person who originally brought up the concern would bring the discussion to meta, but it doesn't look like that's going to be happening, and it seems worth discussin...

 
12:46 AM
With my new job I haven't really been spending a lot of time on the site other than popping in to fix the odd typo here and there, so I didn't really read that meta post.
 
@GnomeSlice Rep prominence, not "oh, that guy" prominence.
 
Psh.
I was respectable for nearly a year.
I got my yearling badge during my first multi-day suspension.
 
so the parts where you spammed meta were "respectable"? :)
 
I said nearly a year.
 
You're still respectable. You just have some ugly bumps on that curve.
 
1:02 AM
Has anyone here worked with Twitter Bootstrap before?
 
Why must you ping me with things that you delete, @Raven?
 
Because I don't intend to ping you at all.
Believe me, if I could unping you, I would.
But alas, you are ununpingable.
 
@Mana I've heard of it, but that's as far as my knowledge goes.
 
Is this Joy2Key‌​?
The website seems a little sketchy.
 
1:08 AM
@GnomeSlice Sketchy? It's old-school.
 
@RavenDreamer, aren't we supposed to be using fewer meta tags on the main site?
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Q: Overlord DLC Achievement: Data Hound

RapidaWhere are the Data Packets for the Data Hound Achievement? And if I've missed one can I return to get it later?

 
Those aren't meta tags, argh
 
Gah, I don't know which button is which on my gamepad.
 
@GraceNote oh zeus, she's becoming disgruntled! Watch out!
 
I know, I just don't have a good shorthand description for them.
 
1:11 AM
@DaveDuPlantis Filter Tags
 
That's good, I can remember that.
 
I don't care if you just call them "Tyrant Tags", just something other than meta tags when they aren't! It mixes things up and it makes people make stupid arguments without knowing what they're talking about.
 
@GraceNote "Mana Tags".
 
What are meta tags? I honestly can't keep track anymore because of the inconsistency of how people use the term.
 
@Wipqozn Okay, so you know how Gaming Meta is the place where we talk about Gaming?
 
1:14 AM
Oh dear god. Buy Planescape Torment and get Baulder's Gate free? GOG makes this really hard on me sometimes.
 
@GraceNote Yes.
 
A meta tag is a tag that, instead of describing the problem in the question, it's about the question itself. It's meta to the question.
3
 
@GraceNote So would be a meta tag in this question? "How do I beat level 3-2 of Mario?"
 
@Wipqozn No, that just looks like a crap tag.
 
@GraceNote Yes, but only thing I could think of off the top of my head.
 
1:16 AM
Hiya kids
 
Hi @Shinrai! ♪
 
@Shinrai Hey, what's up?
 
I think @GraceNote is just frustrated because I was questioning about this for like an hour earlier today
 
@Shinrai top of after-morning to you.
 
@Wipqozn We don't have a big problem of meta tags. That's... kinda why I keep getting infuriated when people keep saying we have a problem with meta tags.
 
1:17 AM
c
cc
 
Oops. That was typed with my gamepad.
 
On Stack Overflow, is a meta tag. It's not telling you anything about what the problem in the question is - it's giving you background info (meta info, you might say) about the question and the asker.
 
@GraceNote I agree with this wholeheartedly.
 
@GraceNote okay, perfect example, thank you for the clarification.
 
1:17 AM
@GnomeSlice Agreed, I don't see very many
 
Oak
@Wipqozn you can use a sentence such as "this is an X question about Y". Any tag that belongs to X is a meta-tag. So for example "this is a troubleshooting question about..." "or this is a newbie question about..."
 
@Raven We actually totally have an opening for a PvP match now. You in?
 
@GraceNote trying to work on presentation. soz.
 
(And anyone else who wants to do some PvP League of Legends)
 
@RavenDreamer You're a tough fish to catch.
 
1:18 AM
I gave up on figuring out the tag situation. it's bad, and we can't even decide on the terminology to say how/what's bad about it :)
 
Oh god, one of these days I will actually have to try that game... (I know, I'm the only one who hasn't)
 
Maybe retitling this question would help. It's where I, at least, learned (incorrectly) the term "meta tag"
 
@Shinrai You should join the League chat channel. We have a number of newer players that would join you.
(Against bots at least)
 
They don't come up often, but given that we've recently talked about it on meta, I have been squishing them on the front page ... but I thought I should drop in here to check given the example I linked above. I don't like rolling back mod edits without checking first ...
 
There's two different phenomena at play, though - tags that depend on other tags for context, and tags which can apply to multiple games.
 
1:20 AM
@GraceNote Too bad you're not a fishmonger.
 
@Rapida Good to know! Maybe when I get some free time. (Still need to log some more time on my promo grant title to meet my quota...only in here right now because the roommate has the TV at the moment actually haha)
 
@Shinrai I have a referral link in my profile. ;)
 
@DaveDuPlantis I stand by being a bit of a different beast, along the same lines that we have a tag like . It's actually independent of the game to an extent and it is something of a universal point, for the purposes that we use it.
 
@RavenDreamer >:3 duly noted
 
@RavenDreamer Ah, that's a good idea. Consider it copied.
 
1:22 AM
@GraceNote, can't serve as a "platform" tag (more specific than PC)? I get the idea that you're talking about, though. I think.
 
Oak
@Rapida you know, basically the only reason I dislike dota-like games is because I find the community to be extremely hostile towards newbies. Maybe I should try to play a few games in a more friendly environment
 
@DaveDuPlantis Yes, it can, but you can also have questions about Steam. We also have questions about achievements outside of games, and achievements also makes a good division within a game. Compare Stack Overflow's [string].
 
Well, it was the division part that I was questioning. That is something that we regularly take heat for from Jeff, isn't it?
 
Wow, Joy2Key works beautifully with Aquadelic GT.
 
@Oak The more, the merrier. We've got actually a pretty fair crowd of new gamers here on Gaming, so you wouldn't have to be so worried about playing with a bunch of super-pros.
 
1:23 AM
@Oak It is extremely hostile sadly. I prefer to get a huge friends list and only play with them. On that note, see earlier advice about joining us sometime.
 
Thanks to whoever suggested it.
 
(aside from the games with hundreds of questions)
 
@Oak I wouldn't call playing with Grace Note friendly. Kog will eat you.
 
@DaveDuPlantis His issue is more for tags that just seem worthless outside of being linked to a game, which I am willing to concede, but the nature of achievements actually makes it not the case (in the same way that platform tags don't fall under that)
 
@Oak Can I give you my referral link :D?
 
1:24 AM
@RavenDreamer Psh, you haven't even seen Part 4, have you?
 
(All I want is one... ;_;)
 
Oak
@FallenAngelEyes for what?
 
@GnomeSlice you're welcome!
@Oak LoL
 
@GraceNote Where Strix chases you?
And then eats you for once?
 
@FallenAngelEyes I want that free 6300 champ. I'm like 2 away =P
 
1:25 AM
@RavenDreamer Strix wasn't in our Game On.
 
Oak
@FallenAngelEyes maybe, if I'll give it a try later :) can't really play in the next few days though
 
@GraceNote Origami then.
 
@Rapida Free Twitch makes me jealous
@RavenDreamer That's part 3
 
A Gir.
 
Oak
@Rapida I wonder why it's so hostile. I can ask on the main site but I have a feeling such a question will get closed :)
 
1:25 AM
@DaveD Actually, let's remove that parenthetical - a platform tag we allow because it can give important context to a game question, but you can also ask questions about the platform itself. It's the same with achievements - you can give important context to a game question, but you can also ask questions about achievements outside of specific games
@Oak Have you ever seen a professional Super Smash Bros scene?
 
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Q: Best tactics to deal with shielded opponents in Mass Effect 3

Vitor De MarioWhat are the best ways to deal with enemies using full body shields in the Mass Effect 3 Demo? I've resorted to grenades, but are there any good powers to get these guys off balance?

 
@Oak I think it is because you are forced into a game that will last anywhere from 20 to 60 minutes with people of varying skill. You can't control how good or bad they play or how much they troll you. Some people lash out blaming others in this situation (even when they are at fault), some people troll to show they don't care/are in control, and some people just grin and bear it.
 
Oak
@GraceNote no... but when a join a game room clearly marked with "newbie-friendly" I don't expect professionals
 
Starcraft doesn't suffer from this as much because it is a one on one situation. If you screw up it is your fault
 
@GraceNote, that seems reasonable. Is there similar reasoning for ? If so, then I understand both of those tags and can modify my rampage accordingly.
 
1:27 AM
@Rapida And some people, like me, try to avoid playing with other people altogether in order to avoid the rampant suck
 
@DaveDuPlantis I don't know about DLC enough to want to comment. Ask @Arda.
 
@FallenAngelEyes Yeah, you can only be called so many four letter words before you just say screw it
 
@Oak Oh, I'm talking about the community that isn't "newbie friendly".
 
Oak
@Rapida I used to play other team-based multiplayer games - such as TF2 and counter-strike - and those were far less hostile. Maybe dota-like games need more communication to start with...
 
The basic parallel being, there are "casual professional" people who become so engrossed in the meta and in the high level play that they can't tolerate anyone who isn't up to their speed - they'll look down on opponents and be thoroughly peeved by what they perceive as incompetent allies.
 
Oak
1:29 AM
@GraceNote just talking about a personal experience :) I joined some room which was marked as "newbie-friendly"... and it wasn't
 
@FallenAngelEyes Join us?
 
@Oak Ahha
 
@FallenAngelEyes This actually made the game three times more enjoyable for me.
 
@Rapida Can't, knee-deep in ME atm :(
 
Oak
@GraceNote I think it was heroes of newarth actually, not LoL
 
1:29 AM
@GnomeSlice Woo!
 
@Oak I've seen both, the team games on Xbox are notorious for being aggro.
 
@GraceNote, I will ... thanks for your help.
 
@FallenAngelEyes So was I until it crashed grumble grumble
 
@Rapida I don't play online on consoles largely for this reason. (Of course, I don't play many things that have competitive multiplayer period so I may be biased)
 
@Oak I would probably expect the community to be mostly the same.
 
1:30 AM
@Shinrai Be warned, League can be rough. Ignore is your friend.
 
@Rapida I'd expect it from both the game style and the popularity level ;)
 
Sticking to the awesome stack gamers is the best solution IMO
 
You and Oak joining at the same time is good - you can try to play together and it'll do leagues to your favor in enjoying the game more.
 
@GraceNote Ready to launch
 
hah, LEAGUES
 
1:32 AM
Oh, but be warned, if you two don't already have it, you need to download a downloader to get the installer before you can start setting up and then patching the game.
 
@GraceNote oh god, I played Uncharted Waters Online recently and I had to go through like FOUR of these
 
and...there's a lot of downloading involved.
 
Jan 25 at 16:24, by Grace Note
Once you're done downloading the downloader so you can download the installer that you use to download the other components, the account creation is a breeze.
 
(For the curious, it's a good game if you liked the older ones, but the localization is really bad and it takes FOREVER to get anywhere, I didn't have time to keep up with it. Very relaxing, though.)
 
Joy2Key doesn't have as many axes listed as my gamepad has though. Hm..
 
1:41 AM
I think I'm mixing up Maryland and Massachussets again.
Can't remember what state my cousin lives in.
It's the one near DC...
 
@RavenDreamer I'd say that was a common mistake...but...
 
Is that Maryland? I think it is.
 
@RavenDreamer Maryland
 
Maryland, then. :P
 

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