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2:00 PM
I'm curious to know what that red crap is near the bottom
 
@RonanForman oh okay.
 
he means the hills, the water is flat
 
I was wondering that too @DaveMcClelland
 
Giant mushroom.
 
looks like some giant weird mushroom-y thing.
 
2:02 PM
@RonanForman well, it's still an improvement
 
it's an idea stolen from terraria
 
You can't steal ideas.
You can copy ideas, but Terraria still keeps his own idea. So, no stealing.
Because you cannot steal what can't be taken away.
Because for theft to happen the original owner must be deprived of the object of theft.
Which he isn't.
So it's no stealing.
And this is why bobince is awesome, I've already ran out of steam while he would go on for 20 more minutes and make awesome references.
 
Hey @BrettWhite! Hadn't heard anything yet, did you get my email?
 
bobince comes here too?
He seems like a really cool guy from his SO answers Ive came across.
 
Not that I've ever seen, no.
 
2:06 PM
Honestly I hope Notch uses more ideas from Terraria
 
@Loktar I just don't want minecraft to become quite so action-oriented as Terraria.
 
some randomized item generation would be amazing. Hidden deep within the earth, that give some random bonus.
 
Also, kind of odd that rivers don't flow, but I guess that's a requirement with current minecraft water physics, or they probably wouldn't be very long
 
I just want minecraft to be more of a game than a sandbox builder.
 
@Loktar They did that with dungeons in the aether mod, it was pretty cool
@sjohnston It'd have to drop every 7 blocks
 
2:08 PM
I have huge issues with Notch though honestly, and how he handles MC.
 
@Loktar Did it change after the official release?
 
I hate Minecraft water physics.
 
@Loktar Well, they definitely seem to be going in that direction. I think notch is smart to make adventure, creative, survival modes separate
 
@GraceNote what do you mean?
 
@GraceNote Official release hasn't happened yet, it's still in Beta.
 
2:10 PM
@Loktar What sort of issues?
 
@sjohnston yeah I have no issues with seperate modes.
I think its terrible he made his money off of this game, that works, but yet goes on to immediately start another project and allocate most of his devs to that new product.
MC has tons of potential that its missing out on due to him being so controlling over it, and only letting one other dev touch it.
 
@Loktar I for one think it's terrible he made his money off of Zachtronic's game.
 
@ArdaXi Yep! I just got into work and got everyone's emails
 
@ArdaXi Do you mean infiniminer?
 
Yes.
 
2:12 PM
@ArdaXi It was opensourced, wasn't it?
 
@Loktar isn't he going to sharesource it?
 
Actually I still don't have email and physical addresses for @DMA57361 @IanPugsley and @ThomasMcDonald
 
@badp Yes, he is
 
@DaveMcClelland It was, yeah.
 
@ArdaXi well Im not angry that he made money off of Minecraft I think its great, he made it popular so idk kudos to him. But it would be like Coke releasing Coca Cola, and instead of producing more bottles of CocaCola they just switch over to Sprite.
 
2:12 PM
I don't know if those should have had spaces or not. I guess not? PINGING IS crazy.
 
@ArdaXi Then what's the problem?
 
@BrettWhiteΨ if you can tab-complete it'll work. (I think.)
 
@Loktar It's more like if OpenCola was first and Coca Cola then took that recipe and started making millions off it.
@DaveMcClelland That Minecraft isn't.
 
He should really focus more on MC with his money and resources instead of starting some stupid online trading card game.
 
@ArdaXi But he's already said he is going to.
 
2:13 PM
Open-source doesn't mean "Here, take my project and make money off it."
 
@badp eventually he is
 
@ArdaXi But as @CruelCow pointed out, Deus Ex is region locked (yay, but really no yay) so I have to figure out how to get the games to you all outside the US
 
@Loktar I thought it exited out of Beta already. I don't exactly keep up with the news
 
@DaveMcClelland Yes, once he's made enough to retire off it.
 
@BrettWhiteΨ I think Steam gifts would still work
 
2:14 PM
@BrettWhiteΨ It seems UK edition would be fine: rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/18/…
 
ah no its still beta, in Nov itll be "1.0"
 
The game requires Steam anyway, doesn't it?
 
@ArdaXi Depending on the license infiniminer was released under, there's not even a requirement that he releases minecraft open source
 
yeah its a steamworks game
 
@DaveMcClelland I know, it isn't.
My issue isn't legal, it's ethical.
 
2:14 PM
But I personally wouldn't mind a simple steam gift
 
I cant fault notch, its like being angry at Blizzard for becoming popular off of Warcraft, which was copied (in concept) from Westwood.
 
@ArdaXi If the owner thought it wrong then he wouldn't have chosen that license.
 
@badp I use the MIT Licence myself.
 
heh, and what would people say if Valve released a Minecraft clone :P
I for one would be all for it honestly.
 
@badp So, in order words, that's just plain wrong.
 
2:15 PM
There is a "clone" for XBox in the works actually
 
Licences are very complicated.
 
Yeah Ive seen that, fortress builder or something?
 
You have to choose between allowing people to use your project in whatever way they see fit and limiting them completely.
 
Ugh, don't you hate it when a song gets stuck in your head?
 
If you license me to do something with what you've done... is it wrong for me to do what you agreed I could do?!
 
2:16 PM
@badp That depends.
 
For some reason, I somehow got the Hyrule Field theme song from Twilight Princess stuck in my head.
 
@Powerlord Nope
 
Plus nothing stopped the infiniminer guy from innovating even more so.
He could of continued, changed the license, and developed a pricing model.
 
If I make a game engine, open-source it under MIT, you take its code, add gameplay, maps et cetera and release a game and sell it, that's fine by me.
 
What I hate is when a game doesn't include a soundtest, so listening to cool songs from it involves getting deep into really annoying levels just to hear nice music, which means you can't easily switch tracks if you feel like it.
 
2:17 PM
Would be like stackexchange being closed down by expertsexchange.
 
If you however take its code, modify it a bit, make a game engine and sell that to development companies, sure, it's allowed, but I'd still think it's the wrong thing to do.
 
maybe Im wrong, but did notch even use Infiniminers code as a base?
I assumed he just used the same ideas and concepts.
 
@Loktar Minecraft started out as a carbon copy clone of Infiniminer, adding exactly nothing to the concept.
And he already started accepting funds at that point.
 
@CruelCow Would Amazon.uk cover all European countries? The 10 who are getting the game are from all over (Austria, Germany, UK, New Zealand).
 
@BrettWhiteΨ If you do realise New Zealand isn't in Europe, yes.
 
2:18 PM
heh remember the days of Doom clones?
 
@ArdaXi I know it's not, narf
 
@Loktar The WADs are still copyrighted.
 
The following question doesn't have the correct game tag:
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Q: What are the 3D Analyse settings for Sands of Time?

Pankaj KainthlaI want to play PoP Sands of Time but when it starts it shows a box saying "video card not supported". I have used 3D Analyse to play many games which I could not play before but I am still not able to play Sands of Time with it. Does anyone know the 3D Analyze settings needed to play it?

 
@GraceNote Youtube to the rescue!
 
No I mean just clones, not using wads, games like Corridor 7
They made money as well
off of Carmacks concept
 
2:20 PM
Actually, the Prince of Persia series brings up another question. In tags, how are we differentiating between the 1980s Prince of Persia and the 2006 Prince of Persia?
 
@badp That entails successfully finding the songs. Which is hit-or-miss
 
Carmack just continued to innovate however
 
@Loktar Wasn't a Doom clone.
More a Wolfenstein clone.
 
heh I use Doom as a base because I assume more people have played it.
 
@BrettWhiteΨ Amazon says yes to all of those except New Zealand. I personally ordered multiple items to Austria from Amazon UK without problems.
 
2:21 PM
@Loktar Doom was already technologically better when Corridor 7 was released.
 
@GraceNote I guess it depends on the popularity of the game. Keep in mind you could still make an ad-hoc account and DIY. It's a bit risky (hence the ad-hoc account) but...
 
Im speaking in general @ArdaXi not specifics, there was such a flood of "fps clones" once Wolfenstein and Doom were released.
 
@Powerlord Fixed, thanks!
 
and no one faults those companies.
 
@Loktar Well, yes, but that's just innovation.
Look at Infiniminer and Minecraft Alpha.
 
2:22 PM
Thats my point.
 
I bet if you do a blind cross-test, you couldn't tell one from the other.
 
Yeah but look at them now.
 
@badp If I could put it on youTube, I could just keep the music for myself!
 
4 mins ago, by Arda Xi
And he already started accepting funds at that point.
 
Blame the users, they chose which one ended up being popular.
 
2:23 PM
@GraceNote Windows Sound Recorder?
 
@CruelCow Okay good. I was mostly concerned that like, there's an Austria Region and you have to buy the copy in Austria for it to work in Austria. I am both unfamiliar with regions and how region blocking works, so, again, pardon me being the mayor of Dumbtown :)
 
 
@badp Yes, I do have primitive tools (I also have Audacity) to accomplish the job, but that requires proper timing and depending on the game it may not come out in a desirable fashion.
 
You may need to fiddle with this screen first
 
@BrettWhiteΨ Usually, regions are based on continents.
 
2:24 PM
Darn, I bumped Mana from second place on the Not a Real Question leaderboard for Gaming, but FallenAngelEyes still has the high score
 
I've done it in the past, too, for a few games before I finally got their soundtracks.
 
Oh wow, got an easy set and bumped FallenAngelEyes from first. :D
 
Okay. Sorry for sounding condescending then.
(That's what the word means, right?)
 
@Powerlord Wait, she beat my highest score?!
 
@Manaಠдಠ Yeah, and now I beat hers! ;D
 
2:27 PM
@badp You didn't come across as condescending if you feared that, but thanks for the sentiment.
 
"Game solved in 20.89 seconds
by Mana, 8 months ago"
nope, still top.
 
@ArdaXi Awesome, thanks. If I have questions, take it to the bridge!
 
What game are you guys talking about?
 
Wait, I closed it... I don't think I was viewing the weekly scoreboard, though
 
@BrettWhiteΨ The problem is some "regions" are dictacted by legislation
 
2:28 PM
Darn, I was looking at the 7 day scoreboard.
 
e.g. Germany and Austria (?) have more rigid laws on "violent" "content", so they may require a different "Low Violence" version of the game altogether
 
Also, it sucks that Mana's ahead of me by... 6 hundredths of a second.
 
@Mana rules
 
@badp I think you might mean australia
 
@badp Germany yes, Austria no. However few companies bother to localize a violent and non-violent version so often Austria gets the cut version as well.
 
2:30 PM
Oh well, at least I bumped FAE from second. Now I just need to bump Mana from first.
 
visits Deus Ex Human Revolution website Hmm, 4 days? clicks button for European site Oh.
 
We have a tag?
 
Game developers.
 
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Q: What is the basic plot of the Touhou series?

Mana ಠдಠSo I got Touhou 7.5: Immaterial and Missing Power, but suddenly I've been thrust into a world where 12-year old girls wearing strange outfits and wielding dangerous weapons scream japanese at each other before firing off gratuitous amounts of magical projectiles in all directions. What's going on...

Missing game/series tag
And Mana, you should know to tag that. >:/
 
@Powerlord How old is it? Maybe it got pruned.
 
2:39 PM
I...did tag it. It got pruned.
 
It's our only Touhou question. Period. Hence, pruned
Should probably retitle it when you retag it.
 
Speaking of which, here's a question whose only tag is .
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Q: Icewind Dale: Party formation

AardvarkFor the first time I have picked up 'Icewind Dale' after playing Baldur's Gate 1 & 2. At the starting screen of Icewind Dale it gives you the option to create up to 6 starting characters. Is this how the game is supposed to be played? Are there still NPC's throughout the story line that en...

 
@Powerlord Same issue, I'd think
 
@Powerlord That happens when all tags it has are pruned, I believe
 
@Grace done
 
2:41 PM
@sjohnston The ironic thing would be if the tag got pruned
 
@Manaಠдಠ IAMP. Make it IAMP
 
@DaveMcClelland But then the system would automatically replace it with...untagged...
 
IaMP is the officially recognized acronym in this instance (much like MMT to that other game).
 
@Grace Whoops. Done.
 
Actually, I guess the actual ironic thing is that by tagging a question with the question becomes tag. I think I need a philoshoraptor line for this
 
2:42 PM
Damn it... 20.87 isn't enough to beat Mana, is it?
 
claps
It is.
 
Wait... yes it is, his high score is 20.89! :D
I ended up doing 20 games straight to get that. :|
 
I'm not sure how I did it before.
 
@DaveMcClelland Philosoraptor all the things!
 
Occasionally, questions repeat, which helps if you remember what their score was (most of the time tags are obvious)
 
2:44 PM
@Powerlord Not when you get three Starcraft 2 questions and only two RTS tags.
 
@ArdaXi True. Then again, didn't we have some editors go through and remove those?
 
Some of them, aye.
 
We don't have enough Psychonauts questions to sustain a tag? This makes me a sad panda :(
 
You know, I still haven't put my name for any grant
 
That you have not.
 
2:47 PM
uh?
 
Did not have you?
 
Have can did them.
You not have did...
 
Now my sentences where grammatically correct.
 
Is the 200 rep/day limit based only on positive rep, or does it count negative rep as well?
 
And that's how babby is formed, children.
 
2:49 PM
@ArdaXi Yes, but I couldn't make heads or tails out of them.
 
@badp That you have not.
 
uh? ad infinitum
 
That: "putting your name out for any grant."
Putting your name out for any grant you have not.
You have not put your name out for any grant.
I was acknowledging you.
 
Oh, okay.
 
@DaveMcClelland It's only a 200 rep/day limit from votes. You can go higher than that from accepted answers and bounties... or lower from downvotes.
 
2:50 PM
next week I'll know how castrated my connectivity will be
 
bah I hate that game now :P
 
I fear that'll be some of those "HTTP" only deals :/
 
@Powerlord Right, but if I get 5 downvotes, and 21 upvotes on answers, does that give me +200 karma for the day, or +190?
 
Hard to get everything correct, but cool.
the not a question game I mean.
 
@DaveMcClelland +190
 
2:51 PM
I mean, okay, I've survived without playing TF2 for two weeks now
 
@DaveMcClelland Reputation, not karma.
This isn't Reddit.
 
@Powerlord All right, I was just curious. Thanks
@ArdaXi Bah - I've been on Reddit too much in the last couple days
 
I don't understand reddit karma
 
@badp higher reddit karma = larger epeen
 
@badp Upvotes - downvotes, simplest system.
 
2:53 PM
I had 22 karma. Post a +9/-9 link. My karma becomes 26.
 
@badp Fake downvotes.
 
Also why does it only apply to links?
 
@badp The actual +/- votes you see are "fuzzified" - the only think that is correct is the post's overall score
 
@ArdaXi The sum should be accurate: 0.
 
@badp Are you sure the karma came from nowhere else?
 
2:54 PM
@DaveMcClelland Depends on the order
If you get 21 upvotes then 5 downvotes, you'll end at 190. If you get 5 downvotes, then 21 upvotes, you'll end at 200.
 
@GraceNote So it halts my positive rep once I hit an overall score of +200 for the day?
 
Upvotes that occur after a downvote will balance the loss. Upvotes that occur before a downvote will be capped.
 
Where overall is only from votes, not accepting or being accepted
 
@DaveMcClelland If you get 20 upvotes, then 5 downvotes, then another upvote, you'll get 200.
 
@GraceNote Interesting - that makes sense
 
3:28 PM
I have to say, Galcon is pretty awesome.
 
3:49 PM
> "How the hell does she plan to [get $2 gas]" "Bachmann will mandate a 'turner overdrive' installed in all cars sold in the US"
/rimshot
 
eh, I hope this doesn't delv into politics much.
 
@Loktar That wasn't a politics joke, that was a bad 70's music pun.
 
ah ok lol
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz you're a music pun
Take THAT!
 
@Loktar Because Michelle Bachmann is taking care of business with Big Oil!.
 
3:53 PM
Bachmann would never get elected
impossible
 
@Wipqozn Actually I am.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz I knew. That's what I meant.
SEriously. Not making this up. Not at all. shifty eyes
 
Anyone know why the audio for The International is so terrible?
 
3:54 PM
Evening @BrettWhite
 
Just popping in to let everyone know...if you use Tumblr, so does CHAOS and StackExchange.
Also, hello!
 
I'll be honest, I'm not even sure what Tumblr is.
 
@Wipqozn Good afternoon!
 
@Wipqozn Wait, someone else in the world has heard of Enon?
 
@Wipqozn Twitter, but without the text limit.
 
3:55 PM
It sounds like a social network, so I've ignored it.
 
@Wipqozn It's a mix social network/blogging service
 
Stackexchange on the Today Show?
 
But it can also just be used as a blog. Social Network optional!
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Totally.
 
I used to like Tumblr when it was just a blogging service.
 
3:55 PM
@BrettWhiteΨ We tried putting your feed in here, but it really wasn't pertinent to our interests :/
proof:
Aug 10 at 16:59, by Ψ
posted on August 10, 2011 by abbytmiller

CHAOS AGENT 71 (“Brett”) demonstrates his approval for our highly … questionable … dessert option at StackHQ today.  — Abby T. Miller CHAOS AGENT 37 

 
> Stack Exchange mascot coming soon. First appearance will be by Aarthi, CHAOS Agent 45, on the Today Show. Get excited.
 
obviously by 'we' I mean 'I'
 
@badp Yeah I could imagine it would be annoying in the chat. If people want to follow it in their own time, go for it!
 
@NickT Wait what?
 
and by 'our' I mean 'my'
if I were to cut feeds based on Arda we'd have, like, five feeds! Perhaps even less!
Outrageous!
 
3:57 PM
@Wipqozn what stackexchange.tumblr.com/post/9081309788/… says, dunno enough to know if it's sarcasm
 
@badp I tried putting your feed in here, but it really wasn't pertinent to me interests ?
 
@Wipqozn Yup, that sounds hearty!
 
@badp Technically, we have, like five feeds or less.
You listen to me! <3
 
Can someone please hit @Wipqozn with the silent-tag-edits stick?
 

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