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5:00 PM
@MikeEdenfield Don't burn the house down, and this room is here for as long as you want it. Whether Mos comes back or not by the end of the day, I don't know.
 
my pushback is more that we should be discussing the bigger issues like behavior, rather than what we call ourselves
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@ryan obviously. you have to read the rest of the quote, in context, which is in the question.
@phantom42 This, +100.
 
@MikeEdenfield meh, extra work
 
@ArtOfCode I just want to know which room to run Joshua in :)
 
@MikeEdenfield Either/any/all. It's not computationally expensive to run multiple instances.
On the subject of bots, I should fire up Taggy.
 
5:03 PM
@ArtOfCode no
we don't like your bot, we like Joshua
 
No, Taggy. Not Karma. Taggy bothers SO, not chat :)
 
@ArtOfCode ah, carry on then
 
Multiple bots and names for them all.
 
@phantom42 I'm becoming mildly concerned at certain signs indicating that such a change in behavior may not be as forthcoming as it should be. :(
 
and without wanting to get into it, i hope mods/room owners are discussing all of the arguments last week/recently, and not just the one from friday night.
lets use a different room every day. with a different bot in each room
 
5:07 PM
oo
i want to make a himarm room
called himarms playtime
 
that doesnt sound creepy at all
 
@phantom42 Friday was a bit of an anomaly from our usual pattern, and frankly, I think the end result was entirely justified.
and yeah, dude. CREEPY
maybe you should run your ideas past someone else before you say them. If they shiver visibly, shelve it.
 
if we do change the room every day, no one will ever be able to say, "oh, it's that [mos eisley] room again"
like the island from lost.
 
we'll run out of room names eventually.
based on the meta question, some time in 2036.
 
well, that and it's a terrible idea.
 
5:09 PM
himarms playtime will have a public announcement that everything goes
 
@MikeEdenfield i dont disagree in the least
 
Can I assume that if a usual's icon is missing from the side they've been put in time out for a bit?
 
or they "left" the room
or just havent come into this particular one, which is entirely possible since it's like the 16th new one created since the freeze
 
@ryan if you suspect someone is suspended you can just search the user and see the 1 point next to their names
 
i dont think i've seen sly on at all since it all went down
 
5:12 PM
i saw her leave a comment on friday and then disappear.
 
Nvm
 
that was before the suspensions were done
 
@phantom42 She's not suspended.
 
@phantom42 well that's what I was wondering, I haven't been on since Friday night, and at that point we were all in a 'say whatever' room wad created
 
@ArtOfCode i know. just pointing out that she hasn't been around, so she may not show up as being "here"
 
5:13 PM
aye
 
@ryan I had a mod ping her into Agents of Nothing so she could read what happened.
but I don't think she ever came in
 
Wasn't that here?
OK, maybe not.
shrug
 
it wasn't here because I wasn't in here until yesterday :)
 
Point.
 
So wad's say whatever room got nuked too?
 
5:16 PM
@ryan Remember what it was called?
 
off topic is on topic
or something like that
 
lol ^ was exactly what I was going to say
 
i got a room nuked yesterday
 
i flagged my own message
>.<
 
5:18 PM
@Himarm why
 
@phantom42 Aye, that got nuked I think.
 
@phantom42 certainly looks nuked
 
a few others where chatting about the incident, but none were their, so i clarified some facts for them, then decided i should prob just delete my msgs, but 2 were 2 old, so i flaged them for deletion, and the room got nuked >.<
 
yeah, it only shows if you look at the list of frozen/deleted rooms.
 
i thought i was doing the right thing!
 
5:20 PM
@phantom42 I clicked the 'show frozen rooms' button, saw 7 tabs of frozen rooms and ran away
 
@Himarm In any ordinary circumstances, you would have been.
 
i missed the memo' any flags result in room being frozen"
i feel slightly bad since my question to Richard started the whole convo, i just wanted to know the legal age in the UK when doctors didnt have to report medical info to parents >.<
 
@Himarm 16.
 
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Q: Inca Kola sales/promotion and a cat that rules the world/universe

candylooking for the title of a campy novel about Inca Kola sales/promotion and a cat that rules the world/universe. read it about 20 years ago thought I had saved but can't find. gave many books to my daughter who got rid of some. really funny would like to read again.

 
@ArtOfCode yep i got that out of the whole thing, and 18 in most cases in the US if a parent actually asks.
 
5:24 PM
@Himarm do not feel bad; there's no finger pointing going on but if there were they wouldn't be pointing at you.
 
@ArtOfCode They figured that out before the whole thing slid into the abortion debate. Though for some reason the harmless part of the discussion was deleted as well.
 
How does that devolve into abortion debate?
 
it doesn't.
lets not go into it.
 
Point.
 
SO
SUPERGIRL
 
5:25 PM
So what happens to a bounty offered by someone that currently has 1 rep?
 
it gets auto assinged?
 
don't you give up the rep when you offer the bounty?
 
@ryan It's still there. Can still be awarded.
 
in which case it just gets awarded as normal?
 
@ryan bounty was taken out at time of posting
 
5:26 PM
are they able to award while suspended?
 
/sigh
 
Well, can still be awarded if you come back in time to award.
:25453112 sigh
 
:-(
 
/waves
 
well, the room hasnt been that busy this weekend. so you don't have to scroll too far back
 
5:27 PM
what 3 days ago, gah I need 10k rep
 
@ryan flag on a 3 day old message in Agents of Nothing.
Someone got to invalidating it before I, though.
 
UGH.
dont talk about it dont talk about it dont talk about it
 
i spamed invalidate real fast
 
SQB
Would someone who can still talk in the original Mos Eisely post a link to here? For instance @Donald.McLean or @Pureferret?
 
starcraft reflexes
 
5:29 PM
I was gonna say what got flagged we kept Agents so on topic we moved Magic the Gathering talk out of it
 
done
 
but I see
We could totally find a MtG comic though
><
 
almost time for lunch
chinese food left overs, mmm
 
I went to pack my backpack for work this morning and found a Quarter Pounder w/ Cheese I had put in there on my way home from work on Friday.
considered eating it for breakfast for a minute.
 
@JackBNimble can you draw an MtG comic so we can talk about it in Agents..
 
5:32 PM
is their a TLDR on talking about non-sci-fi stuff in chat now?
 
@MikeEdenfield probably still good
 
@MikeEdenfield considered being the key word right...?
 
@Himarm not exactly but we need to be careful how far off-topic we veer.
 
@MikeEdenfield have you downloaded the MCD app?
 
of course, an on-topic but politically charged discussion isn't a good idea either.
@ryan it was too stale.
 
5:33 PM
@MikeEdenfield such as?
 
@ArtOfCode Well, some of the things in John Ringo's books would likely get us shut down.
 
so mostly shy away from the major political diverse topics, guns ect? which is good the gun debate was going in circles lol
 
@Himarm yep.
 
@ArtOfCode my first example would make phantom go on a Starwars rant
 
@MikeEdenfield Can't say I know them.
 
@ryan /glares
 
though to be fair, it's OK to have contentious topics if y'all can be nice and respect each other
 
@phantom42 hey don't give me that look! I totally refrained :)
 
i still have my free sandwich to pick up from mc'ds for downloading their app
 
@Himarm just don't say anything that you know is going to offend or anger someone else.
problem solved.
 
5:35 PM
i got free fries last week because someone was confused
 
Confusion fries, those are the best.
 
whenever the chicago sports teams win, i get a free drink or fries, or brekfast samich
 
@phantom42 in which case it's impossible to 'anger' you?
 
@steelerfan wave
 
5:37 PM
@ryan i ordered mcrib for wife. two cheeseburgers for me, and a fries. got double fries.
 
@Himarm Hey buddy!
 
for example, I would like to post a photo right now with a picture of a Raven on it. but that would offend @steelerfan so I'm not going to.
@phantom42 you sure they didn't charge you for 2 meals?
 
@Himarm So you haven't gotten anything free since MJ left?
 
Hello fellow scum and villainy!
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Q: How much does Beorn know about the Istari?

thegreatjediIn this scene, Beorn says that he has never heard of Gandalf the Grey. Yet in this scene, he speaks to Gandalf at length in a way that shows the earlier scene was merely a pretense, and that he clearly knows who Gandalf is, and the purpose of the Istari given their discussion leading to mentions ...

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Q: Did Enterprise went "outside" of universe?

Vanja VasiljevicIn "VOY" episode "Threshold" Voyager reached Warp 10 and by wiki "A vessel traveling at warp 10 occupied all points in the universe simultaneously." so when Enterprise in "TNG" episode "Where No One Has Gone Before" reached (I am not sure which speed, so that would be my first question) did it l...

 
5:37 PM
@Slytherincess Evening. cue hysterics that you've returned
 
@Slytherincess A wild @Slytherincess has appeared!
 
@ryan the blackhawks win like crazy, and the cubs did moderatly well this year, and bears and bulls win ever 3rd ish game lol
 
@MikeEdenfield Ha! That never offends me. I actually have a sense of humor. I take it all in good fun :)
 
<Does the hokey pokey>
I hope everyone is well :)
 
those of us who havnt died are well
 
5:38 PM
@steelerfan That's fine, but I can't very well go around telling everyone to just accept that there are things we can't get away with in here if I keep trying to get away with them.
 
i think*
 
@MikeEdenfield nope. double checked.
 
@steelerfan 1 sec.
 
@Slytherincess You're here!!! <raising the roof>
 
taco bell gave me the wrong order the otherday, i ended up with like 6 tacos and 3 burritos, and i had only ordered 3 tacos. sadly i ate alot more then i should have
 
5:39 PM
/me glomps @steelerfan!
 
@Himarm I dunno why you would get anything free for the Cubs winning, they ruined Back to the Future day.
 
@ryan that was before they ruined it
since the season ended aka no more free stuff after they ruined it
 
@Slytherincess We broke all the things on Friday. We're better now.
 
Oh, yea guess that's true
Monday brain works well
 
@MikeEdenfield :)
 
5:42 PM
@MikeEdenfield Good Lord! Well, at least someone rebuilt this chatroom!
 
lol this room has 20 room owners
 
@Slytherincess the other 20 or so rooms that got frozen will be given back eventually!
 
we have too many owners. it's almost pointless.
deowner everyone but @Slytherincess @Praxis and one owner to be named later. :)
 
Hm. Might be worth curating owners.
 
someone who's online when those two aren't.
 
i didn't mean me.
yeesh.
 
Blam face
 
holy moley, this room had a ton of owners.
 
And now... who to make the third?
 
5:46 PM
2 mins ago, by Mike Edenfield
someone who's online when those two aren't.
^-- this was obviously a reference to me.
 
yeah, i think it was sqb that said they just added like... all the regulars
 
@MikeEdenfield heh, your time profile is too similar to Slytherincess'
 
@ArtOfCode I'm online way more than she is
 
@phantom42 snnffl they didn't add me :(
 
me or @phantom42 tend to be on during business hours
EST
 
5:47 PM
sly is typically on during the weekdays, but is on less frequently, from what i've seen
 
so add @phantom42 :)
 
the room entered shock, upon being entrusted in Mike's hands.
 
Listening to star wars while putting together IKEA furniture is one of the best things ever
 
soundtrack or movies?
 
6:01 PM
have you see the video of the 2 year old humming the Imperial March as she's going to sleep?
 
rand is still a room owner. was that intentional?
and donald isn't one of our mods
 
oh god kill me now.
i just caught myself tapping my foot and bobbing my head to the music in my headphones.
 
except it's not music. it's the interference from having my headphones too near my cell phone
 
6:05 PM
@phantom42 Donald's a mod on another site, so being on or off that list doesn't really alter their access. shrug
 
@Keen It's the principle man, da principle
 
@Keen cool. wasnt sure if diamond powers applied to all stacks in chat or not
 
@phantom42 they apply to all rooms on a given server, IIRC.
so chat.se.com/rooms/* but not chat.so.com/rooms/* or meta.chat.se.com/rooms/*
I think.
 
@MikeEdenfield Domain, you mean. The servers themselves are all over the place.
 
yeah, I meant logical server.
not physical ones :)
 
@ryan Yep, and the account he's using to chat at the moment.
 
looks similar
 
@ryan Yes :)
He's in the screening room the past few days chatting :)
 
That's depressing.
 
I believe that is his Puzzling alter-ego he started using when people figured out that puzzles from WadCheber were about the Beatles.
 
6:16 PM
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Q: Has Vandal Savage ever been incinerated, vaporized, etc.?

OmegacronDC Comics' villain Vandal Savage is immortal and has come back from all kinds of nastiness, including falling into orbit and being burnt down to just bone. Savage's immortality is not strictly from a healing factor like Wolverine, though - it's more like a reset switch when he dies. However, this...

 
I'm on vacation, but something strange seems to be going on. For instance, at no time do I ever remember being a room owner, and yet, I was apparently removed.
 
So now he's just 1 rep with 8 gold, 129 silver, and 229 bronze badges on Sci Fi?
 
@phantom42 Things have been a little busy for me lately; I always have Mos Eisley on in the background, and often lurk. Like, for example, my daughter had her wisdom teeth out this morning, so I'm playing nursemaid. It just seems I've been extra busy with IRL stuff.
 
@Axelrod Yes :( He and Richard have been very active in M&TV.
 
I would like to politely request we proceed to a topic not involving suspended users.
 
6:23 PM
@JackBNimble Everyone was made a room owner
 
@JackBNimble SQB added everyone he could think of, I believe.
 
@MikeEdenfield The typical answer would be "puppies" but I don't like talking about puppies, so... I'm out of ideas.
 
we could talk about Jar Jar Binks being a Sith Lord.
 
TACOS
 
jar jar for president
or emperor
 
SQB
6:29 PM
Who removed all the room owners?
 
@steelerfan That sucks.
 
@SQB scroll up
 
@SQB the mods cleaned it up
 
45 mins ago, by StackExchange
Starts there
 
SQB
That was not as intended. It was my intention by making a number of regulars, to make more people feel responsible.
I find this very disappointing.
 
6:32 PM
@phantom42 - soundtrack. I got distracted
 
@Axelrod ??
 
SQB
We now have the old Mos Eisely back, except in name and room number.
Who decided this?
 
> Unlike Universal, however, Disney’s Imagineers have opted to go in a completely different route with this more immersive approach: instead of recreating a location already depicted in the SW films or television series, the theme parks will present a brand-new planet. What’s more, Disney promises that “nothing will be out of mythology,” meaning that every building, character, and ride will tie somehow into the ever-more-unfolding Star Wars universe.
 
Oh boy more reason not to go to Disney world
 
SQB
@ArtOfCode, why did you remove most room owners?
 
6:37 PM
@steelerfan "Yes :("
 
@SQB RO's are effective when everyone isn't one.
 
^^^
Too many chiefs, not enough indians
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@Slytherincess i certainly didn't mean that as a negative or criticism. I wish I was on here less myself sometimes.
 
Not really sure why I bought siracha pizza
 
SQB
Perhaps 19 was overdoing it, but still.
Real life calls, but I'm very unhappy with this.
 
6:41 PM
@SSumner Because sriracha pizza.
 
@Axelrod all I can taste is siracha
 
Did SQB actually just stomp off? ;)
 
@SSumner Would you like some pizza with your sriracha?
Really, though, that sucks. It's great in smaller amounts.
 
now i want pizza. THANKS, SSUMNER.
 
i want pizza
gg
 
6:45 PM
granted. i always want pizza.
so it's not really ssumners fault.
can i blame richard?
 
@phantom42 - you're welcome anyway
 
hes in the channel, so u can blame him
 
we should blame everything on jar jar
 
@ArtOfCode Sorry, this is just wrong.
The point of ROs is to keep the peace and stop fights from breaking out. More ROs will be more effective at stopping fights breaking out, since altogether they'll be here more of the time.
 
@phantom42 Oh, no, I didn't take it as a criticism at all -- please don't worry about that! I was just giving a general explanation. As with anyone (I would imagine) our time in chat ebbs and flows.
 
6:46 PM
only pizza I have access to quickly enough for lunch is little cezars
 
@phantom42 I believe Mike E just asked us not to mention "their" names.
 
sad banana face
 
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@randal'thor well, if everyone is a room owner, and a fight breaks out, logically it's the RO's doing the fighting.
 
The whole crisis in Mos Eisley could have been averted if Slytherincess and Praxis had been there at the time - or if someone who was there had been a RO and able to take steps to prevent it.
 
6:47 PM
@SSumner thats my life motto
 
@MikeEdenfield Note: I'm not proposing making Wad a RO :-)
 
@steelerfan oh, at all? i actually forgot about suspensions. more referring to our old meme.
 
@Slytherincess Hello! Great to see you here :-)
 
Uh... so puppies?
 
@randal'thor false. there was an incident last week where a mod was participating, quite actively.
 
6:47 PM
@phantom42 Being a mod on any site makes one a mod in all of chat. But I try not to interfere with things in chat rooms outside the sites where I am a mod. However, if people were getting out of hand, I would have no qualms about squashing them.
 
@phantom42 Hey, doesn't bother me buddy. I was just passing the message along :)
 
then again, this was SQB's room.
 
Puppies please??
 
if this is not going to be the new "official SF&F chat room" then he should be able to make anyone RO he wants.
we'll have to wait it out.
 
Kitties riding on puppies?
 
6:48 PM
SQB sounded upset :(
 
@Slytherincess We were worried you might have been too cross to come into SFF chat any more. Any word on the fate of main Mos?
 
baby tapir
 
true, if it was his room, it was inappropriate to go over his head on his own room.
 
Wow... I apparently missed a lot of drama over the weekend.
 
Well - it is ultimately up to you guys, if you want more RO's that's cool.
 
6:49 PM
i think its too early to be making long-term decisions.
 
It was pointed out to me that there were ~20 RO's, which is just too much.
 
lets wait for the PTB to sort things out. then deal with the fallout
 
So I curated them down to the original two plus Mike because he pleaded for it ;)
 
he can figure it out when he gets back.
 
6:51 PM
@randal'thor : I note what you're saying; however, a moderator did respond during the incidents in question, and they were categorically ignored. The issue is not so much with manpower. The issue is with respecting the rules and each other.
 
its his room
 
I would like to point out that I have diligently been trying to change the topic to puppies and kitties, and even kitties riding on puppies.
 
@SeanDuggan Nothing to see here. Move on. Nothing to see here :)
 
@randal'thor Hi! Thank you very much. And I agree that if @Praxis and I had been available, the crisis may have more readily been averted. I feel badly that I wasn't there.
 
If I'm not missing anything in the transcript, it seems @Mike was the one to suggest de-ROing people, and a non-SFF mod obliged but left Mike as an RO. Favouritism? ;-))
 
6:51 PM
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@Slytherincess don't. no finger pointing. just forward progress
@randal'thor you'll note I specifically said to add @phantom42
 
@phantom42 OMG!! Lol :))
 
@Slytherincess : Indeed, I feel badly too about it. That being said, problems are getting out of hand, and it's not clear that more people with powers is the answer.
 
@Praxis Non-SFF mods (with maybe a few exceptions) aren't universally liked and respected by the SFF community. You two are :-)
 
i dont like strangers!
 
6:53 PM
@randal'thor I did de-RO Mike too, until he pleaded ;) No malice involved/intended.
 
IMO that's a problem the SF&F community needs to get over.
 
@Praxis Fewer people being jerks is the answer, even if that means putting the worst offenders out the airlock without a space suit.
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@randal'thor : Both @Slytherincess and I appreciate that, but I agree with @Donald.McLean: fewer people being jerks is the answer (pardon the bluntness).
 
airlocking people in battlestar was great
 
@randal'thor Has to be said I can't actually think of any non-SFF mods who are universally liked and respected.
 
6:54 PM
I'm thinking I'll go watch Doctor Who instead of joining this
 
Totally unrelated, but my husband says today is the 11th anniversary of World of Warcraft.
 
I'm thinking we should be careful how much further we take this conversation.
 
to be fair, we often make jokes that others take far more seriously than we intended
 
I'm thinking Slytherincess thought that too and is trying to divert the topic.
 
In the crisis on Friday, when some guy nobody knew came in and started moderating, he wasn't well received. If @Slytherincess or @Praxis had politely told people to shut up, I suspect everything would have calmed down very fast.
 
6:55 PM
@Slytherincess Close enough.
 
the quasi-war with M/TV is evidence of that
 
@phantom42 yes, and unfortunately I think we've learned that we just can't keep doing that.
 
Everyone: I'm here right now to address the issue of room owner appointments. I've been discussing it with the mods and we feel that we do not wish to increase the number of room owners without elections on meta. Also, please do not take this as meaning you should go to meta right now and start an election.
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@ArtOfCode Specifically, I was thinking of you and @Donald.McLean :-)
 
@randal'thor can we please move on?
 
6:55 PM
TOPIC CHANGE
 
There are still issues to be sorted out with moving forward with chat, and so please wait until then to discuss room owner appointments.
 
MOAR PUPPEHS
 
@Praxis Thank you for settling this :-)
 
Cats rule, dogs drool.
 
6:56 PM
I'll still do everything I can (without RO powers) to keep the peace in here.
 
@Axelrod Dogs are the best.
 
where's a roomowner? someone needs to be banned
 
The one thing I will say (@Slytherincess, feel free to add) is that I am to happy to assign room owner deputies appointed for times when we know we can't be around. For instance, I could appoint, say, @Ixrec or @randal'thor, to be a deputy RO for a day (and then remove that power later).
 
6:58 PM
This would be a way of keeping up chat room manpower without having elections.
 
@Praxis this seems ok if you're going away for a while, but not so much for a day/few hours
 
I think we really need to not discuss this right now @Praxis. I think some people are becoming uncomfortable.
 
@Praxis That sounds like a lot of work and I think we go back to your previous statement and "figure it out later"
 
@Praxis Excellent idea. I always thought it was a bit odd to have both new ROs in the same continent and roughly similar timezones.
 
The bar for what gets people uncomfortable is getting awfully low.
 
6:59 PM
you guys are supposed to be talking about kittens now
 
And no one is pro-cat here. You're all dead to me.
 
I'm pro-cat
 
@phantom42 @MikeEdenfield : That is what I was thinking --- for times when we know we will be absent for 24 hours or a stretch of days. It's not really any work. I click on your name, add you as a room owner. Later, when staffing is back to normal, you are removed.
 
The bar for what gets me uncomfortable is currently set to "anything that's gonna get this room locked".
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@Ixrec Taco RP?
 
6:59 PM
@Ixrec You're invited to my party next door, when the inevitable comes (Most Eisley 2: Electric Boogaloo)
 

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