The Nineteenth Byte

4:46 AM

@Upgoat That's all Greek cheese to me

strawpoll.me/10572766

TypeScript is painful

TIL: the logo of cheddar.com is not even Cheddar cheese ಠ_ಠ

@Quill what's new?

Maltysen

@Upgoat how much are you offering them to buy that domain? :P

1000 pounds of upside down goat cheddar cheese

4:49 AM

@Upgoat that's even crappier than the usual straw poll

a deal one cannot decline!

Cheddar cheese is around $1.474 per pound so $1,474

@Upgoat I'm miscommunicating here... TypeScript >=1.5 is alright (I wouldn't use it, but it's not bad.). Pre that version, a few syntax stuff was different (and that's when most of the ES6 syntax took precedence over theirs, which means I have quite a bit of pre-es6-but-kinda-es6 code to clean

Add AngularJS to the mix and you have a shitstorm of painful proportions

oh god angular... I tried to make TeaScript interpreter page in angular and it was horrible. Idk I've tried TS before though I just find it redundant when you can use babel and do the same for less

TypeScript Compiler and Babel are both transpilers, Babel is just built for plain JS, whereas TypeScript has ES6 & ES2015 integration, but TS compiler supports TypeScript as well

@Quill yeah, but I'm sure also TS compiler is slower and i dont liked having typed stuff in non-typed language, it's redundant imo

4:55 AM

Actually they're pretty close in speeds

TypeScript's not bad, it's just not amazing

everyone, stop trying to build more and more stuff on top of js, you're just making it worse :/

js is bad enough already

I was originally designing Adynata to be like TypeScript, but without JS non-typed-ness

@aditsu how about no

^

@Quill did you finished adynata?

No, I don't know how to design a tokenizer correctly

Anonymous

@Geobits ->

4:59 AM

cheddar> 1
undefined

:D at least it didn't error

The Deep Roots of Javascript Fatigue

@Quill ;_;, solution: blog.vihan.org/index.php/2016/05/29/…

> index.php

ignoring all the greek letters just put it in jison and its good

@Quill ;_; y u haet wurdpres

because wordpress is painful

5:01 AM

you can install a plugin to fix that

@Upgoat is that what you use?

so, my phone is great for OCR-and-translate (with google translate), but copying the results to my computer is a major pain, what's the solution?

@Quill I made my own grammar parser but that wasn't a good idea. I just spent the whole day debugging when I relized I should of been using result.Index on this line instead of parser.Index >_>

Github question: Do you ever raise issues on your own project?

Do you ever identify issues in your own life that need resolving

5:06 AM

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan yeah

Or do you just tell others about their problems?

@Quill yes, the fact my name and my direction contradict each other

@Quill When I do, I generally don't write them down on the internet. :P

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan As a todo list, yeah

you have no idea how hard it is to get through immigration like this

5:08 AM

@aditsu I've read that specific article and many like it before, and the common "reasons" for JavaScript disinterest are A) the former standards issue B) Web frameworks are created with more pace than corporately managed frameworks like PHP, ASP.NET C) People like ES6 so they use transpilers D) Modules are small, so the projects have lots of modules

rapid development obviously equals bad things

Anonymous

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan I've done it on Seriously. In fact, 2 out of the 4 currently-open issues on Seriously were opened by me

IE market share appears to be doing yoga

And "== is broken in javascript" is a bullshit copout reason for disliking javascript because people are generally too ignorant to understand implicit type coercion

Anonymous

Rapid development is good for people who stay on the bleeding edge. It's not great for people who are out of the loop. By the time they learn about the latest tech, it's already obselete.

Anonymous

@Quill What about "implicit type coercion is bad"? Is that a valid reason?

5:12 AM

OK, thanks. I didn't think there was anything wrong with it, I just felt weird opening my own issue several times in the last 2 days. I was wondering your philosophy.

Don't like implicit type coercion? Use strict mode.

Anonymous

If there's an issue, open an issue. It doesn't matter who owns the project.

I think people generally understand implicit type coercion, and hate it with a passion when it leads to absurd results

Anonymous

@Quill Or just use a language that doesn't do implicit type coercion

@Mego it's not inherently bad. Being able to do "2 + 2 = " + 4 is a lot more understandable than sprintf("2 + 2 = %n", 4)

@aditsu you do absurd things like [] + {} I'm not sure why you would be expecting sane results

Anonymous

5:15 AM

@Upgoat I disagree. While your simple example may be nice and non-confusing, in real-world-code examples, explicit makes much more sense to me than implicit. I'm also not a huge fan of C-style string formatting.

Anonymous

@Upgoat It's [] > {}, and we don't talk about Python 2's type comparisons. It was a dark time.

> [] > {}
< false
> ({} < [])
< false

Anonymous

It was a very dark time

strawpoll.me/10572922

It's really interesting. I wrote an esoteric language a couple months ago, and totally forgot about it. Now I keep getting random people I don't know contributing to it.

Anonymous

5:17 AM

>>> sorted([[],{},'',0,(0,)])
[0, {}, [], '', (0,)]

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan ;_; no one contributed to teascript

@Upgoat I didn't do that

@HelkaHomba Seeds? blegh.

@aditsu get iphone+mac and use universal clipboard

Anonymous

@HelkaHomba I'm ok with chunky peanut butter, but prefer creamy. Seeds in jam is wrong on an intrinsic level.

5:19 AM

@HelkaHomba "I've never had peanut butter" option pls

@Upgoat I'd rather kill myself

Anonymous

Though there are many instances where chunky peanut butter is unacceptable - on pancakes/waffles, for example.

What? Jam without seeds is basically dense, oversweet jello

@aditsu ;_; y ;_;

Anonymous

@HelkaHomba And the problem is...?

Anonymous

5:20 AM

The seeds add nothing except an annoying, inconsistent texture and getting stuck in my teeth

@aditsu copy the results to a google doc, or use cloud notes

email it to yourself

text message it to yourself with continuity

@Upgoat I hate crapple products

Anonymous

Get Google Drive or Dropbox on your phone, save it there

@aditsu looks like your text replacement failed

Mar 26 at 0:12, by aditsu

I love my word replacer plugin :) (Apple -> Crapple)

5:21 AM

Hello

Apple have iCloud docs, Google have Google Docs and Google Drive, Windows Phones have Office Cloud (or whatever it's called)

For note sharing, Google has Google Keep

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Hello

Jun 19 at 4:42, by Quill

pretty tied after spending the past 18 hours troubleshooting these computer issues! gonna relax with a nice bath 😊 https://t.co/oNVrI7hjdW

Tweeted by Babylonian on June 18, 2016 at 9:20 PM in reply to Babylonian

@Quill yeah I've been copying to a google sheet, still quite annoying to keep going back and forth and select this, paste that..

@Upgoat lol how is that gonna help?

5:24 AM

@Upgoat That sound nice but is it true Macs can't natively cut?

@HelkaHomba wat? yeah they can?

@aditsu idk saves you the pain of having to open google docs

@Upgoat no it didn't, also it's not supposed to replace what I type

Anonymous

@Quill OneDrive

@Upgoat but it won't go to my computer

@Mego yeah, but isn't there another phrase for the Office side of that

Anonymous

5:26 AM

It's OneDrive all the way down

Anonymous

And it's also the first service I disable when installing Windows

> move isn’t an option when you right click, and there isn’t your typical ⌘+X command

(Though that article is a year old)

I had a windows phone for a while, the OneDrive integration wasn't bad and the OS wasn't bad...

@HelkaHomba idk about files, I use click and drag but for text and all if definetly exists

@HelkaHomba that's bullshit, the UI on that is mavericks at least, and I got my macbook with Mountain Lion that had cut and paste

5:32 AM

hmm, in fact what I really want is the OCR part

the translate app has options for sharing the translated text but not the original :|

Maltysen

@aditsu google drive mobile app has ocr builtin

you can take a pic, ocr, open on computer, and translate.google.com

I uploaded an image to drive on my computer and converted it to a doc, it was pretty bad; I'll try your suggestion too

@Maltysen how do you ocr it?

Maltysen

support.google.com/drive/answer/176692?hl=en

ah ok, so it's the same thing I tried before, with terrible results

5:48 AM

@Quill Well, I must continue to reject Apple as long as modularity is near impossible. You can't even put a normal hard drive in the new, round Mac Pro ._.

hmm, there's a "kde connect" thing

holy shit kde connect is amazing!

it can automatically synchronize the clipboard, among other things

muddyfish

Urggg... leaving the EU

6:03 AM

#BREXIT MEANS A FRESHLY MINTED THIRD WORLD ECONOMY WITH AN EDUCATED BUT POWERLESS YOUNG WORKFORCE! EXCITING OPPORTUNITIES AHEAD! 🇬🇧💫🏌

Tweeted by PHP_CEO on June 24, 2016 at 2:25 AM

> THIRD WORLD

muddyfish

:(

What if we dig up Britain and put it on a drone ship https://t.co/KwCeftXzeb

Tweeted by SwiftOnSecurity on June 24, 2016 at 1:38 AM

Oh hey apparently Bitcoin is going up in value

^ not faked O.o

o.O

6:37 AM

3 hours ago, by mınxomaτ

The Bitcoin gained $300 and 200 € per BTC in the last 24h.

But make no mistake, the 7d value is still -7%.

Well, shit. Now the 7d is -11.5 %.

@muddyfish Those charts are not friendly :S

tramsonion.com

7:04 AM

RIP United Kindgom

I swear, I'm going to buy some bitcoins. They're still getting higher and higher

Time to buy is over. That was a few days ago.

@mınxomaτ When was the last time, butcoins market share dropped?

7:20 AM

In the last 7d e.g.

A sharp drop in the next few days is probable.

I'd wait until the $ price is down to ~350 again.

@mınxomaτ I didn't want to buy some immedialitely

> butcoins

Asscoins are better

It also requires some insight into the different exchanges (compare them at bitcoinity). Here in Germany, BTC exchanges are extremely disconnected from the international markets.

@aditsu Editing a pinging message pings the user again, I wanted to not do that

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

7:25 AM

@Upgoat IDK, but holiday starts tomorrow so hopefully I can go on c9 in the morning again

@Quill Donkeycoins?

Anyone from the UK here?

@Fatalize I'm from Russia.

So no.

At least we're international

@Quill wat O_o

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ :D \o/ \o/

wait when is tomorrow in australia

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@Upgoat Tomorrow morning is ~16 hours

7:33 AM

@Upgoat Is Cheddar v0.3 finished? :3

@Upgoat It's 5pm here now

10:34 here.

@Upgoat this may interest you:

a minute

@Bálint ._.

This doesn't interest me.

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Ha! 1:39 AM.

7:39 AM

9:39 AM

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan You are awake? o_O So soon?

@Upgoat cheddar-is-the-best-lang.com

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@Upgoat are you still on c9?

David Cameron just resigned LOL

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 I am not a morning person.

I haven't gone to bed yet.

I was going to, but then my computer distracted me.

7:42 AM

bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36615028

@Bálint I think everyone in this chat now have the habit of checking the URL before clicking

I checked it, thought "it must be a rick roll", clicked anyway :D

@Mego I'm making a note here, huge success

this was a triumph

hb20007

8:52 AM

Hi guys, is this website only for posting code golf challenges or am I allowed to ask a question about code golfing in a particular language?

@hb20007 There are "Tips for golfing in XXX" posts on the site where you can find tricks in language XXX to golf

Otherwise I guess you can ask in the chat

hb20007

oh thanks

Q: JSF**k with only 5 symbols?

9:15 AM

We can also accept this type of question, which aren't really codegolfs or challenges:

36

This is not a challenge but a question, I figured it was on topic because of Non-challenge questions that are related to solving programming puzzles or a particular type of challenge are also on topic. Now on to the question: Is it possible to write any JavaScript code with only 5 letters?...

10:06 AM

:D Chat is dead

no big surprise

New Sandboxed Posts

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Find all the Vampire numbers Shamelessly stolen from http://stackoverflow.com/q/17352108 A "Vampire" number is defined as the product of two numbers of equal length (known as the "fangs") that uses the same digits as the two numbers being multiplied. Examples: 21 * 60 = 1260 15 * 93 = 1395 30 ...

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10:48 AM

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Numbreviation For example localisation -> l10n internationalisation -> i18n You should numbreviate all the words in the input, where a word is defined as a sequence of at least 4 consecutive letters. This is code-golf, so the shortest solution wins.

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Cyclotomic polynomials Given a positive integer n, output the nth cyclotomic polynomial. It degree is the Euler totient function. The output should list the coefficients in order, ascending or descending. Sandbox: Would this be too hard or inaccessible? I feel like code golf challenges shou...

11:05 AM

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 no it's not

\o/ It's not!

i.imgur.com/cw3WTu4.gifv

SE, y u no onebox gifv? ಠ_ಠ

I can change it to gif but it tends to get too big

^ exactly..

you just have to remove the last v

11:09 AM

(it's still loading)

upgrade your ISP

1 min ago, by aditsu

I can change it to gif but it tends to get too big

also, it's not just about me

bah, I have some very boring/annoying code to write..

💡 I know, I can write an abstraction

aaand.. Chromium ate all my ram, again :/

cat

11:58 AM

So, I was inactive on PPCG for a few months because of school, and I did check Meta but I didn't do much else. Can someone fill me in on why A) The Many Memes of PPCG was locked, B) Why is "Alex is wrong" no longer funny? and C) are these two related?

coz you don't know how to be cat?

54 mins ago, by Optimizer

@cat A) what, it's locked? must be because mods don't have a sense of humor; B) PC police and committee decision that it's too old; C) I don't know, maybe?

LegionMammal978

Hey

Hey

@cat also, B may have been overused

hai

12:19 PM

0

Regex golf: Match the Thu'um-s code-golf regex Introduction Skyrim is a game made by Bethesda and came out in 2011. One of the objectives of the game is to collect every 27 shouts (or Thu'um-s). In this challenge, you need to match every shout and nothing else. Shouts This is the list of the...

Anyone?

@Optimizer Is that your cat?

its @cat

it doesn't seem optimized

@Bálint NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID

@Optimizer It's @cat's cat?

no. its the @cat

@aditsu ?

12:21 PM

it's just an imgur cat I reposted here

@Bálint it's an https link that has a certificate error

@aditsu That's a problem on your side, remove the https from before it

definitely not on my site, and not on my side either

@aditsu Works for me

I'd love to check out the challenge but I just took an arrow to the knee

(that's the only thing I know about Skyrim ^^)

@aditsu I don't know you

That's nice, because you can start playing, when the HD version comes out in October

12:25 PM

does it have a free Linux version?

@aditsu ಠ್ಗಠ

Then go, get a real computer

I already have two

@aditsu Both of them Linux if I can guess

of course; I also have some form of windoze available in case of emergency

@aditsu Some form? Windows 3.1?

12:28 PM

lol :) my laptop has dual boot but I haven't checked it in a long time.. it might be windows 8, not sure

and on my desktop I have a vm with windoze 7

@aditsu Specs?

specs of my desktop machine?

ಠ್ಧಠ <- I just found this

@aditsu Yeah, you know, GPU, CPU

Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6500 CPU @ 3.20GHz

VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Sky Lake Integrated Graphics

@aditsu Then the whole list:

1.: Get a new GPU, because integrated GPUs suck
2.: Start windows7
3.: Get Skyrim
4.: Play it
5.: Love it

12:33 PM

1. don't need (gaming is not a justification), 2. yuck, 3. how? 4. not sure if I have time, 5. I'll have to see about that

miles

Waiting for AVX 512 cpus to come out before upgrading

@aditsu ఠ_ఠ

(•‿•)

anyway, about the challenge, I find it very hard to understand

more specifically, the number of phrases I understand (from the whole challenge text) is almost 0

@aditsu Because of my english?

partly, I guess

12:42 PM

@aditsu It was late when I first wrote it, I take a look

hmm, I think I saw "Fus Ro Dah" mentioned somewhere, maybe some youtube clip

ah, it's supposed to be a meme

@aditsu ಠ್ಗಠ ಠ್ಗಠ ಠ್ಗಠ ಠ್ಗಠ ಠ್ಗಠ ಠ್ಗಠ ಠ್ಗಠ (x100)

knowyourmeme.com/memes/fus-ro-dah

so, I guess it's 2 things :)

Meg's pimple Fus Ro Dah is best Fus Ro Dah.

hahaha :) btw there's a clip of a guy with an IRL version of such a pimple

I think it was on his leg though

his wife (or gf?) was filming him and she got bukkake'd

12:56 PM

@Bálint Instantly knowing every single internet meme has less value than the current British Pound

for now :p

indeed :P

@HelkaHomba Ouch.

speaking of memes

http://niceme.me/
http://nicememe.website/
http://nicememewebsite.website/
http://nicememewebsitewebsite.website/
http://nicememewebsitewebsitewebsite.website/
http://nicememewebsitewebsitewebsitewebsite.website/

wtf, why?!

1:05 PM

because memes

but dank memes can't even melt steel beams

2

what about spicy memes

Woo, I crossed the 6000 mark

well job, TimmyD

@Poke Wow... Such Meme

Very Website

1:19 PM

@TimmyD ᴉʇ,s oʌǝɹ 9000¡

Can someone give me the skinny on this UK business

I don't want to internet

@Poke UK did a referendum to know if it should leave the EU

And they decided to leave

but how does it affect the world

@Poke UK voted to leave the EU ("Brexit") ... highly divisive issue, as last I saw it was something like 51% leave 49% remain

And it's messing with a lot of things

1:23 PM

Was there an "I don't really care" option in the poll?

yeah, it's called playing video games instead of voting

4

FAIR ENOUGH! take a star

Well, probably one of the big things is that it shows a lack of confidence in the EU as a concept

It's fueled worry that Germany may follow suit, in which case the EU itself may collapse.

It's prompted a very harsh currency valuation reaction (as alluded to by Helka above)

interesting... why is there such an impact? I was ignorant of their politics and frankly I still am. (I live in the US)

the full effects remain to be seen, but it has definitely increased the uncertainty and instability in the world economy

@Poke it creates a precedent, and there are fairly high levels of anger in several countries due to the refugee problem

1:29 PM

@Poke Well, the "Leave" mentality draws a lot of parallels to Trump's mentality -- nationalism, border protection, distrust of "the elites" after the Great Recession

mm, well back to my bubble

Trump has actually gone and loudly praised the brexit

Agh. Breaking stories into smaller, more manageable units is making them less manageable

@Rainbolt user stories?

We broke a user story into the sunny day, "Everything is filled out correctly" scenario and the "Oh my god what is the user trying to do" scenario

And here's the kicker: someone jumped ahead and completed the second one first.

Now the team is arguing

1:32 PM

That's two separate branches but not great subtasks if i'm understanding correctly. You should be aiming for vertical slices when splitting up user stories

I am seriously writing down those words you just said for our retrospective

each subtask should be able to stand on its own

"vertical slices"

@TimmyD I heard you reached the 6000 mark

That's great advice, thanks @Poke

1:33 PM

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You're welcome :D

Here, have a winged car

user stories? wat?

@Rainbolt So, you did check the file I sent to you, didn't you?

@Bálint Thanks

1:35 PM

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101

I don't want to download software to help you with Magic cards :/

@Bálint What?

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 I posted that before you edited your message

@Rainbolt Alright, I'll send the card photos to the Sandbox.

(Why to the Sandbox? Because I don't want to litter TNB with large photos.)

Check here.

You are a gentleman

1:48 PM

@Rainbolt Did you have a hand in this? >:|

Anyone knows, how to detect when a new message is posted in the chat?

@HelkaHomba I don't think so

@Bálint Click the volume megaphone at the top of the screen and set it to "all my rooms"

LegionMammal978

^

@HelkaHomba I mean programatically

1:51 PM

Or watch for the (#) things in the tabs (which could be done programatically)

@Bálint Then setup a cron job that intercepts system calls to audio

:D

@TimmyD Then have that script integrate with an sms service to text you