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7:00 AM
@DJMcMayhem yeah, pretty much
everything is better with grave accent
icèd cream
stripèd green rabbit
Speaking of lulz, the longest of my three(!) Jelly answers to the Mertens challenge is the one that keeps getting votes. I usually fail at predicting which of my answers is going to be popular...
Simple explanation: the other 2 have math in it; too scary.
That can't be it. My Python answer is way scarier and by far more popular.
It's a beautiful implementation though, if I'm allowed to say so myself.
python more popular than jelly
that's unpossible
7:06 AM
Python is usually more popular.
Not that surprising
People are more likely to vote for something they understand. It's also hard to tell a well golfed and a poorly golfed answer apart if you know nothing about the language.
I could have sworn that in past experience jelly got many votes... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
python has the highest voted answer on site though
It's not like it's unpopular. My best-scoring code golf answer was in Jelly.
7:13 AM
yeah, the one for hyperprogramming
Most of the highest scoring Jelly answers are extremely trivial though.
well obviously
Answers that contain nothing more than one or two built-ins rarely get an upvote from me.
what about three built-ins though?
Jelly really shines at complex problems, where its tacit form and automatic vectorization can save a ton of bytes. Those are the answers that mostly get overlooked though.
7:16 AM
Also what's your opinion on having built-ins like this one in Jelly?
It's a bit too specific for my taste.
It is for me too
this is why people hate golfing langs
^ partly yes. People are legitimately upset that those langs have built-ins that are basically useless outside PPCG
It's weird to see that answer getting so much heat though, considering the poster had nothing to do with the addition of the built-in. Meanwhile, the CarmichaelLambda submission in Mathematica has a score of +42.
7:19 AM
as in, the people who dislike them seem to do so because of ridiculously specific builtins. in fact, some believe that golfing langs ARE just ridiculously specific builtins, especially due to the fact that higher voted posts are more visible, and ridiculously specific builtins get more votes somehow
Well Mathematica is a language full of built-ins for math so it's pretty much expected that the answer would be this
Voters love built-ins.
A: Index of a multidimensional array

DennisAPL, 1 byte ⊥ Test it on TryAPL.

Didn't even write an explanation...
Not that there's much to explain.
Whereas in Jelly you could probably solve this challenge in a few more bytes than that built-in, which makes you wonder why you even need it at all
> MseShpdCttr (1 step), 25 upvotes: I used this device called MseShpdCtter that takes a lump of dough and shapes and bakes and spits out a mouse shaped cookie.
which is in teh analogy for why someone hates golfing languages
Sep 18 at 8:15, by Destructible Watermelon
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7:21 AM
golfing languages are not just a couple of builtins, but the perception by new users is contrary to that
@betseg thanks, I was looking for that
Quite frankly, I didn't even know what the Carmichael function was when I accepted the pull request. I'm glad that I did though, since it came with a lot more atoms.
@DestructibleWatermelon ninja'd
"Well, the Carmichael function is important in number theory (as the currently top answer reflects), so I wouldn't call it useless"
Not so important that you would need a built-in for it
Golfing in a well designed golfing language is actually pretty hard, since the approach you'd usually opt for in traditional language will probably not score well.
I started learning GolfScript because it seemed to win all the time, just to discover that I was terrible at it.
My first stack-based language...
I was thinking I might just call the golf lang I'm making tè, because those are the most important letters in the name of original lang
7:25 AM
Not only were my programs too long, I constantly was confused about what was on the stack and needed a gazillion attempts to make it work.
but then Dennis did a deal with a divine entity and overtook the site, outgolfing everyone. the end... ?
With my first tacit language (APL), I started out with what I thought was the right way, them made seemingly random edits until it did what it was supposed to or I gave up.
Not quite. Once I managed GolfScript and CJam, Pyth popped up. It was roughly comparable to CJam at first, but was almost impossible to beat after a few months.
After that, our collection of golfing languages pretty much exploded.
@Dennis (about understand part) my 5 years C+py+bf answer is more upvoted than destructible's 6 years answer
Well, it's 3:30 again. I should go get some sleep.
I should too, but it's 9:30 and I'm at work, so I can't…
7:30 AM
Als 10:30
You should clearly all move here.
here being?
no habla español
7:32 AM
Neither did I when I moved here.
7:54 AM
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

NeilBalanced Columns I have a number of paragraphs of various heights which I would like to be distributed between some columns as evenly as possible. Here evenly means that you should minimise the total height of the tallest column, and then maximise the height of the shortest column, excluding emp...

@Dennis I'm confused as to how the input works with your example of file reading binary, because I replaced the file reference thing the argv with input(), and typed a file that contains a single *, and it prints this:
8:11 AM
@DestructibleWatermelon Yes, that's a bytes objects, as the b tells you. docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#typebytes
I'll be happy to help, but it will have to wait until after I wake up.
confuse... how do you use it as a list index?
The elements of b'...' are integers. Try b'*'[0].
now I need to make the codepage
Of course, the 95 printable ascii first
8:27 AM
Allo allo!
My keyboard seems to be able to write 213 unique characters (without using hex codes).
Anyone know why ÿ is a composition of ¨ and y, but Ÿ isn't?
Someone is staying up real late @Dennis :-D
Thanks for the feedback on the natural-number challenge!
Q: Interpret loose ranges

downrep_nationInterpret loose ranges ListSharp is an interpreted programming language that has many features, one of those features is a 1 index based range creator that works like this: You define a range as (INT) TO (INT) or just (INT) where both or the single int can go from min to max int32 value Then y...

@LuisMendo Yeah, can't sleep. I'll try again in a while.
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