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8:22 AM
@KazWolfe Seriously, why do people hate PHP? xD
 
@blade19899 I don't like it because the lack of a standard
 
@Ferrybig Haven't used PHP that often to know that
@Rinzwind Red hat has fix for this, but need to pay to view the article: access.redhat.com/solutions/19327
Don't ask how many. More then we make in a month!
 
@blade19899 PHP allows you to create anything with no restricitions at all
 
$_$ my script just got even better - no need to parse xml, there's module to get info i need in python already
 
@blade19899 A other php problem, look at the amount of sort functions php has
 
8:45 AM
@Ferrybig Dayum
 
@Serg ey you started with the assumption python does not have a module for parsing xml? >:-D It is always the 1st I check: does python or perl have a module I make it in that language :D
 
8:59 AM
holly shiz . . . quad core , 4 GB RAM , 14 inch . . . I WANNA , NAU !!!
gosh, this is why i'm not rich - i'll spend everything on laptops, chromebooks, and tablets
 
@blade19899 PHP is really ok, there are alot of big sites built on it so it gets the job done. but like javascript it wasn't really developed in a clean way, just patched together as the web grew and PHP was constrained to maintain backward compatibilty
so even if a better way of doing things became obvious, e.g. object oriented, PHP had to kind of add new features in a way that would still work with existing code
rather than build something clean right from the start
 
9:27 AM
ha, you got my flag Smoky
 
9:41 AM
Recently i switched from ubuntu to ubuntu gnome. I think the gnome gui is better and much more responsive. Others should try it as well.
 
user136984
10:31 AM
@Zacharee1 Aren't they going to renew it?
 
@ParanoidPanda right now, it's using the normal Imgur SSL certificate, which expires November 10. I'm guessing they'll get a new one around then.
 
Strange issue - my python script that is supposed to write to file if there's a new line, doesn't write
 
 
2 hours later…
12:33 PM
i just wanted to clear something in my head....i'm building a project and i have 3 main things users events (as some big event like a wedding or so) and offers....soo what's boggling me is how to make table connections with these statements
a user has many events
event belongs to user
user has many offers
offer belongs to user
the one to many and many to many relationship which one to use
 
I have no idea what you're asking. Do you want a programming solution or is this about vocabulary?
 
about table connections
 
??
Should I guess that you're trying to describe a database schema and are wondering how the tables should relate to each other?
 
@terdon yes sort of
so one to many is my solution
one user to many events
one user to many offers
i think that's ok
 
12:45 PM
@lewis4u Sure, why not? Just have multiple tables connecting each pair.
 
how do you mean.....i thought to create only 3 tables
users
events
offers
 
@lewis4u Something like this:
offer_table:

Pr. key  Data
_____   _____
offer1	user1
offer2	user1
offer3	user2
offer4	user3
offer5	user3

event_table:

event1  user1
event2  user1
event3  user2
event4  user3
 
user136984
Does anyone know anything about how to convert the Properties class data to Preferences in Java?
 
i thought to make it like this:
users

pr key name age ...
id username 30


events

pr key foreign key start_time end_time ...
id user_id 28-10-2016 31-10-2016


offers

pr key foreign key
id user_id
 
user136984
Because I can't set the keys in the Properties class to String[] because of data type incompatibilities so I'm really not sure how to provide them to the Preferences class.
 
user136984
12:53 PM
I managed to do it in the reverse.
 
user136984
For my get() method.
 
user136984
Just not for my put() method.
 
@lewis4u Ya, seems reasonable
 
OK alles klar
 
1:14 PM
\O
@lewis4u You are missing 1 "a" to make it a dutch sentence >:-D
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Q: Recovering data from a laptop that cannot boot

PaulI have a laptop with Linux Mint installed. I had a power outage, and currently, it cannot boot - it shows grub rescue when booting. I don't mind formatting and re-installing the system, but there are a couple of files which I'd like to recover. I ran Boot-Info from a live USB, but it didn't hel...

dupe
 
1:52 PM
 
> Relinux is now dead on 2014-09-15
I have quit relinux. Explanation is in the link.
 
0
Q: How to delete my account ask ubuntu?

Guilherme BarbosaHow to delete my account ask ubuntu? How to delete my account ask ubuntu? How to delete my account ask ubuntu? How to delete my account ask ubuntu?

 
@terdon go delete him ^
 
Can't.
 
tsk not much of a mod you are ey? >:-DDD
 
1:58 PM
@Takkat oh. Thanks
 
(you walked into that one) >:)
 
Well, shan't would have been closer to the truth :)
Closed as a dupe, anyway
 
BTW what happened to the other guy who after being a memebr for 3 years complained of not being deleted within the second.
 
I wanted to know what happened to this original asker meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1535/how-do-i-delete-my-account
 
> Last seen Oct 6 '13 at 18:14
but still alive it appears.
 
2:02 PM
Palazzos answer helped i think
 
4 yearling badges.
@Anwar Last seen Oct 14 at 23:53
above was on meta... they are still actively around.
 
Hi Thomas
 
hmm.. wondering what caused them to ask that Q?
 
long time no chat, @Takkat
how goes things?
 
2:05 PM
Things are better than ever... almost no time to chat.
 
@Takkat interesting question. Should I test it and ask Oli to delete me?
 
But I keep lurking and keep my consecutive visitis high ;)
 
and then there's some like me, here every single day heh
 
@Rinzwind Mods can ask SE staff to delete but we can't do that by ourselves.
A single day has 24 hours that is 1440 minutes full of 86400 seconds. There always is some time for AU
 
:)
 
2:09 PM
@Takkat 50 hours a day here >:D
 
@ThomasWard great - I come over to your place then :)
Here's only 8 days per week... totally inefficient.
 
@Takkat Just finished this after following some links lkubuntu.wordpress.com/2014/09/14/im-quitting-relinux
 
VW cheated on the hours per day software.
@Anwar its always sad when people quit a nice project.
 
heh
@Takkat it's inside a time-dilation field. That's how 50 hours a day happens :P
 
Yeah. sad story.
He gave his gmail account on the last comment
 
2:17 PM
Time-dilation is good. Time-dilution is what happens here on weekends.
Speaking of... 10 minutes to go only \o/
 
2:32 PM
yay coffee and the protein breakfast of bacon and sausage
>.>
 
3:12 PM
@terdon: In relation to askubuntu.com/questions/842680/… do you agree with my solution?
 
3:34 PM
anyone around
 
no we all died in the apocalyptic end of humanity.
@William Just a suggestion, but you may wish to start out with jsut asking your questions instead of 'anyone around", because most people don't answer that :P
 
@DavidFoerster Um, OK. I don't think there was a problem in the first place though. The OP asked for something, got an answer and accepted that answer. Everyone was happy.
 
@ThomasWard how do I update from 16.04 to 16.10
 
As a general rule @DavidFoerster, please avoid flagging accepted answers. There isn't really anything a mod can do about it and if the OP was satisfied, we may as well leave it alone. On the other hand, please do continue flagging. You're one of the best flaggers on the site!
 
3:48 PM
@terdon I wanted to flag this one. This answer is really unhelpful after the Howto get removed. It refers to that guide many times
 
@Anwar The thing is that mods can't do anything more than you can for that sort of thing. Yes, I could delete it but that's a shame since there seems to be a lot of information there.
Apart from that, what I normally do is go find the howto (there seems to be a newer version of it if you follow the link) and include the information myself. But that doesn't require mod powers so, in all, there isn't much reason to flag that.
 
how do I update xdg-open to the newest version
 
@Terdon Good point. Thanks. Ok, I'll bite the bullet and edit it. I actually searched for the howTo, tried to find alternative of that guide but couldn't find any.
 
There might not be one. It's just that a mod can't do anything more, so flagging wouldn't help either :(
 
Ok. got it :)
 
3:53 PM
how do I update xdg-open to the newest version???
 
why are you trying to do it?
 
@terdon I spent about half an hour trying to edit that post using the new how to, but in the end I had to abandon the effort, it just didn't correlate :( @Anwar
 
Poor mods ;)
 
@Anwar update xdg-open
i'm running into this issue I think askubuntu.com/questions/779717/… and figured updating might fix it
 
@Zanna Great. :(
 
3:55 PM
@William xdg-open comes with xdg-utils. update that one
 
what tcommand
sudo apt update didn't work
 
sudo apt-get install xdg-utils
 
@terdon sorry :(
 
but I doubt that will help
 
@Zanna Hey, you tried!
 
3:56 PM
let us cry all together :'(
 
@Anwar so you can't help I'm confused ;)
 
@William that one was not for you.
@William if you do sudo apt-get install xdg-utils it will update the package if there is an updated version
 
ok waiting to update to 16.10 fist
 
@William the problem is not with xdg-open i think
 
then what?
 
4:01 PM
what's the content of /usr/bin/xdg-open?
 
i'm confused is that the command i'm supposed to run
 
cat /usr/bin/xdg-open
 
i'm updating to 16.10 right now so I might have to wait a couple minutes
the output is rather long
do you want the entire thing
 
@William will be helpful.
bbl
 
4:18 PM
@Anwar
 
@terdon :)
 
hmm so it appears anwar has left me
 
4:50 PM
starting to work on the blog webpage, I'm not sure if I'm doing stuff the right way, but I think I'll just try and post it on github after I've something to get opinions?
 
5:01 PM
@William seen. found nothing
 
I have a question Linux users. Does the Ubuntu USB, have the desktop and Server on it. For 64bit
 
What do you mean by Ubuntu USB?
 
?
 
@RonnieMarlow when you download the ISO on the website, you either download the server or desktop version, when you burn it on the USB you will have whichever one you downloaded
 
@William I tried to see if that file got corrupted. found nothing
 
5:09 PM
@IanC thank you for the details, I didnt know that. I don't want to download I rather purchase it from Ubuntu directly. shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1206
 
@RonnieMarlow purchasing something free is fairly stupid
2
 
well, he would be supporting canonnical
but burning a ISO on a usb is really easy
 
I like the good ole dvds but yes that woul dwork
 
@Willia You make an excellent point their
Thanks for the help guys
 
@RonnieMarlow we dont have a server version. -ALL- Ubuntu have the same base. What we call "server" is Ubuntu with no desktop and NOT a standalone maintained system that is tuned to be server.
1 big difference: systemd is set up -with- a graphical-gui task that is empty and ends up starting a "multi-user" task. A server version would not have that and would straight up use a "multi-user" task
1 hour MORE weekend \o/ yay \o/
 
5:25 PM
Yay - finally got a spark out of that Nexus 5.
I plugged it in and the battery charging screen displayed.
 
gratz, I got an N5 too <3
excellent thing. But I do miss a radio on mine :P
 
Well don't cheer just yet. It hasn't completed a full boot cycle.
And considering that I soldered off the power button, it's going to be a bit more work than usual.
 
:D
 
5:44 PM
I hope this answer makes sense: askubuntu.com/a/842844/231142
 
@NathanOsman Listening now. First few seconds sound promising.
 
You won't be disappointed.
Whoa. I didn't know docker-compose was written in Python.
I guess I just assumed it would be written in Go, like Docker.
 
man, the blog page is gaining life! :D
ignore the colors and the lack of stuff, I just worked on the navigation bar so far
It's position fixed
the orange will be the container with some logo for the blog, and the lightblue one will be the "navigation-info", like the links with the current tree: Home->Oct-2016->First Post
the search will have a form beside it, I'm just not worrying about it now since I'll still need to finish learning JS and SQL or another DB language to implement the search feature
 
Looking very nice!
 
thanks @NathanOsman :D
I'm having to do a lot of trial and error here, do people actually write CSS by hand or they use some GUI editor?
 
6:27 PM
Well, it depends.
If it's a simple project, I'll write it by hand.
If it's more involved, I'll use something like LESS or SASS.
 
cool, I was looking at LESS website, sounds useful. If I could use variables here it would save a lot of the trial and error I had to do to get things working :)
 
7:08 PM
It saves a lot of time, and it makes the project more organized.
For example, if you use the same color in multiple places, it becomes easier to change later.
And sometimes you want to specify one color relative to another. For example, maybe you want links to be 20% lighter when the user hovers over them.
Usually what I do when I use LESS is to pick a primary and secondary color and assign them to variables at the top of the file. Then I just create variants of them throughout the rest of the stylesheet.
The neat part is that I can change the look of the entire page by changing those two colors at the top of the file.
 
Oh, 100MB updates since yesterday.
 
@NathanOsman that's very useful! I think I'll do it manually this time though, I'll use mostly the same template on the whole blog pages, changing only the content, and I still need to worry about some more tricker stuff, like the scripts for searching and so on :/
 
@IanC Yup, that's good. You'll learn a lot by doing it by hand.
 
@NathanOsman Do you know Swagger?
 
Nope.
 
7:22 PM
Too bad.
It's used in a project at the office which I'm working with.
And it's giving me headaches.
 
Another update, now the navigation info has a layout (I'm planning on updating the information on it using JS, so it will only add the <p><a href...></a></p> with the info inside the <div>)
can I do that? I'm still on the basic JS stuff, but I think that can be done right? I'd fetch the path to the file in the blog, and then write it in the document in the right place
 
sounds like a job for JQuery IIRC...
 
I could use it, but first I want to learn how to do it the raw way
JQuery is like a wrapper for some functions right?
making their syntax easier for manipulating documents?
 
I'm not a frontend person, I only did a few lines here and there quite a while ago.
 
7:39 PM
Yes, jQuery simplifies DOM manipulation.
For example, if you want to copy the text from #elem1 to #elem2, you would do:
$('#elem2').text($('#elem1').text());
 
nice! I can't wait to start with the scripting :)
I had so many ideas, I just need to learn the tools to get them done
 
Sees "Sorry, Ubuntu 16.04 has experienced an internal error." Guesses it's Nautilus. Checks. It's Nautilus.
 
I haven't experienced much problems with Nautilus, but I've heard people having issues more than once
maybe I just don't use it enough? :p
 
@terdon: Thanks for your input. What about answers like this one? It's accepted but has barely any content beyond external links.
 
@IanC Could be that I've done something to it... I don't know.
I constantly change things in my PC, so who knows.
 
7:45 PM
@terdon: Should I flag it or just comment with a blurb about citing crucial parts inline?
 
@DavidFoerster sorry but your method is far too difficult even it is what the OP is asking. askubuntu.com/questions/842587/home-directory-on-external-drive/…
@NathanOsman it wants you to switch to 16.10 >:-D
 
I'll stick to LTS, thank you.
 
Same here!
 
not me! :D
 
Oooooh, livin on the edge, are ya? ;)
 
7:54 PM
I will be on 17.04 as soon as the beta hits the internet >:-D
I like my OS fresh and funky
@Terrance I consider "do not use a beta for a production system" a challenge >:-D
 
@Rinzwind I like your way of thinking! :D
 
:D
an LTS is BORING!
 
guys, I'll go buy some food
see you all later!
 
@Terrance ehm this: askubuntu.com/questions/842914/… was it not pkexec we should use? :X
 
randomly appears behind @Rinzwind and shouts "BOO!"
 
7:57 PM
@ThomasWard WOOF!
 
@Rinzwind pkexec didn't launch the exo-open --launch FileManager, but it does launch thunar fine. Yeah, that is another possibility
@Rinzwind Updated my answer for pkexec as well. =)
 
cool
 
8:16 PM
back in 30m. Need to watch an anime :+)
 
Remember when AMD said we'd have support for amdgpu on Southern Islands cards by the end of the year? Yeah, not much year left...
I should probably reinstall Arch and try again.
 
8:42 PM
@Rinzwind LTS gets things done!
:D
 
8:53 PM
when you visit the grand canyons you should always stand on edge to look down. Otherwise there is no sense in living!
And using a beta is less intense :+)
 
I'm back! Resuming the JS lessons
I think I'm satisfied with the CSS layout for now, maybe get some pattern in the Body background to avoid the "dead" white
but I should focus on JS to get the website to do useful stuff and deploy it on the VM :)
 
am I wrong here ?
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A: What packages are not needed to run Ubuntu-Desktop?

Rinzwind Is there a list of packages which i can uninstall but still have a simple desktop? No. But it should not be too hard to accomplish. I don't need any of the additional packages being usually installed. Just the file manager and that's it. I see 2 approaches how you can manage this .. ...

 
is there a specific reason you want to use JS to make the site do useful things?
 
or not?
 
because JS is intense a lot
 
9:00 PM
@ThomasWard I don't know, I thought JS was the standard client-side script language for webdev
 
@IanC says who? >:-D
a javascript user?
 
well, it's the default on the <script> tag :p
what are my other options?
I know for the server side there's PHP, ASP
I'm a newbie to webdev
 
As far as what browsers support directly, JavaScript is pretty much it.
But it is also possible to use <script> tags for other things. CoffeScript, templates (in Ember), etc.
 
I think I heard about Coffescript somewhere, no idea how it works though
 
ZSH halp request: how to exclude folder in ZSH glob exxpression. I want to do folder/** but not copy folder/node_modules
 
9:05 PM
maybe I should just start with JS and go to others as I get more experienced
 
@NathanOsman, I've heard a lot about RubyOnRails, is it some API for the server-end?
 
@IanC pffft everyone uses Python thing that compiles to JS
 
Ruby is a server-side scripting language.
 
@Downgoat that's server side ;)
 
9:06 PM
No, i am talking about some client-side python interpreter that someone made
i dont think its a good idea either
 
@NathanOsman I did not dare to comment that :D
@Downgoat skulpt :D
@IanC skulpt >:=D
 
@Rinzwind Oh, he's talking about mc.
 
@Rinzwind I don't think it's that
 
@NathanOsman yeah added it to the q so I can avoid the comment >:-D
@Downgoat there is also Brython
 
Do I even want to know what that is?
 
9:08 PM
@Rinzwind yup that's it
 
@Rinzwind After my edit,it's a good answer and worthy of my upvote! :D
 
@NathanOsman I liked that one!
 
by the way, any suggestions on making body background a little more alive than plain white? I was thinking something simple, like the dots on AskUbuntu background
 
@Fabby you could not resist editing? >:)
 
9:09 PM
the Blog would be about programming, maybe tons of 1's and 0's? :p
 
>:-)
You can always rollback and keep the vote! ;)
 
@NathanOsman not really D:
 
@Fabby I misunderstood the comment - I though he was trying to run Nautilus without X.
I'm like "what - how can you use an X application without X?"
 
@Fabby no! I still need some upvoted >:)
 
@NathanOsman :D :D
The crowd has changed!
My funny answers used to attract a lot of upvotes...
now even if I post them in chat they attract zero upvotes.
:/
 
9:11 PM
I countered your edit with another edit @Fabby
@Fabby I made eldergreek smile with an answer I made >:)
added to not delete the videocard driver >:)
 
:D
 
+1 For the smile you put on my face.. ;-) — Elder Geek yesterday
"Linux cares about both small and capital letters. We do not discriminate against letters as some other operating systems do ( :) )"
:D
 
Now it's actually worth a bounty!
 
I do not want bounties :P
that's cheating
 
But since the rules changed and I'm not a 30K+ user, I can't afford it any more.
 
9:14 PM
lol
 
Bullcrap! If an answer makes me laugh out loud, it's worthy of a bounty.
You'll have to wait a few years at this increase in rep for me to reach 30K
Mmmh. Smoke and drink!
BRB
 
alright, the 1's and 0's idea looks awful
any reason why JS requires 3 "=" for a comparison instead of just 2?
it's a bit weird, is == reserved for something else?
 
9:35 PM
@IanC it uses both 3 and 2. 2 is for comparing the value of objects/variables.
 
@ThomasWard mod's hammer needed: 3* the same question. Can you nuke?
 
@Rinzwind oooh, like Ruby?
 
@IanC never used ruby :+)
 
I remember there is == and === on ruby, and it's something like:
say you have two string objects, and both have "Rinzwind" as value
one of those operators would be true, the other wouldn't, because the object isn't the same
 
@IanC === compares value and type
 
9:37 PM
Nooooooooo...
Butterflow has been running for over an hour.
butterflow took 74.5 mins, done.
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
(butterflow)
 
eek :D
 
Thomas: Sorry: 2 questions and 1 "bump" answer
 
Y U CRASH?
Hey, but maybe it still worked...
 
if the system wasn't so selfish and let butterflow use its memory for a bit this wouldn't happen!
 
Hmm... not exactly what I had in mind...
 
9:38 PM
@terdon You still awake? mod's hammer needed: 2* the same question and 1 "bump" answer... Can you nuke?
 
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Q: Update very old version of ubuntu from dual-booting windows machine

W LHow can I update a very old version of ubuntu 2.0, which had not been supported, to a latest version of ubuntu in a dual booting machine with window 10 ?

Ubuntu 2.0? :D
that's a new one for me :D
 
Still a dupe!
:P
 
Ubuntu started with 4.10
But Fabby is correct
 
@Terrance you dont need to tell me :D I started using Ubuntu with 5.04 D:
 
@Rinzwind Nice! 3 years longer than me. =)
 
9:50 PM
or 5.06(?)
 
It would be 5.04
 
yeah it was 6.06
 
LOL
 
but I started before dapper ;)
 
9:50 PM
No, Butterflow, that's not what I had in mind.
 
poor Nathan
 
Poor interpolation.
 
I started using it 8.04
 
Motion vectors just didn't cut it.
 
@Terrance at work I had a 6.06 and 8.04 system and it was used until begin of this year >:)
 
9:52 PM
Very nice! Long time for that to be running! =)
 
yeah and the 6.06 had a record uptime >:-D
it was never ever ever rebooted up to last year _O-
 
Then it broke? ;)
 
no we started using GCE's for our systems and those 2 systems where used to keep a bunch of backups so got removed last
 
@Rinzwind ^Remind you of some of those
 
@Terrance we have a MAI BASIC FOUR. That one has a 5Mb magnetic tape. Takes 2 hours to boot. And rewinding the tape takes another hour
 

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