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12:14 AM
Privacy Badger + AdBlock Plus is a powerful combination
 
damnit serg
i was just posting that edit
 
@KazWolfe sorry, you didn't tell me you were editing
also . . . Launcher List Indicator now has icons added to it
 
12:39 AM
yawwwwnnn
 
Yeah I brought close votes down from 118 to 97~
 
:D
Good work @WinEunuuchs2Unix
 
@Edity too bad zach wasn't around to read it.
 
D:
 
@Zacharee1 ^
 
12:49 AM
@Zacharee1 ^^^^^
 
@Zacharee1 I brought your close votes down from 118 to 97 and Serg and Edity want to close 20 each and bring it to 57 :p
@Serg & Edity haha sorry guys couldn't resist
 
Jesus Christ I get it
 
So python is the easiest programming language within Ubuntu for things like notification bar and GUI forms?
Also for gnome interface? and perhaps systemd?
and dbus?... so much too learn!
 
Python is like a glue language.
It's the fastest way to get components talking to each other.
 
So a little gluey for my gooey (GUI) :p
 
1:02 AM
Yup.
 
In EnhanceIO (HDD to SSD disk caching) I had to use python compiler during init-tools (grub boot) to compile program in order to shave 5 seconds off boot. So it compiles fast I learned.
 
sigh
 
113 in the close queue.
hm.
let's focus on something actually useful, like the FP queue
 
there were 53 first posts last time I looked, they are sooo time consuming posting comments and what not.
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix what you see isn't necessarily the actual count BTW, since some things you've reviewed are still open to others to review.
 
1:11 AM
this is why i never review.
because i can see unpolluted counts
 
@KazWolfe harharhar
 
@Zacharee1 good point, probably only half of the closes already had 4 votes.
 
Python is really lovely. Aside from being cross platform, there's so many things it can do !
 
Java.
 
@NathanOsman does this look like a good way to dynamically load the blog posts (or any other dynamically loaded stuff on the website?)

<script type="text/javascript" >
var LoadStuff = function(){
var Container = document.getElementById("container");
if(Container){
clearInterval(Interval);
Container.innerHTML = "SURPRISE!";
}
}
var Interval = setInterval(LoadStuff,1);
</script>
I'm starting to wonder if loading the blog posts on a layout page is better than actually having a page for each blog post
 
1:13 AM
Why do you need the timeout?
 
@NathanOsman probably so it polls
 
it's because if I just use document.onload probably the "container" won't be loaded before the script runs
 
:( i'm slightly disappointed that notify-osd is quite . . . stupid . . . .there's a way to send notifications, but not block them
aside from continuously killing them
 
Oh, you need to listen for the DOM ready even then. But, we can make this a little bit easier in jQuery.
 
so it will run the script repeatedly until the getElementById returns something, which means it would be loaded
 
1:14 AM
104 CVs. 62 NPs
 
$(function() {
    // put code here
});
^--- that will call the function when the DOM loads.
 
it should be on the <head>? do I need some tag identifying the jQuery snippet?
 
To include jQuery, just stick this before the closing </body>:
<script src="https://code.jquery.com/jquery-3.1.1.min.js"></script>
Then underneath it, you can write:
 
@NathanOsman since you seem to know JS, what would be a good way to GET for new content and append that new content into a scrolling div? 500ms polling doesn't work so well when there are 15 instances
 
<script>
$(function() {
    // put code here
});
</script>
 
1:17 AM
@me?
 
@Zacharee1 Wait, you have 15 things scrolling at the same time?
 
@NathanOsman I was trying to play around with the API for my MC server wrapper at the beginning of the summer (you might remember that)
learned a lot of PHP and JS in the process
Basically, I recreated the server controls and put them all on one page
but I have at least 15 servers
Each server has a log (whoa, whaaaat), and I wanted that log to show up live in a div
 
Ah, I get it.
 
It works, but with 15+ things polling every 500ms, things get slow
 
But what's the issue? Too much bandwidth?
Page is unresponsive?
 
1:19 AM
and it kind of breaks the other controls
 
zach, talk to our webdev about that one
 
Can you poll at a slower rate?
 
he has some ideas
 
@NathanOsman Thanks! Usually people host the jQuery file on their own servers right?
 
Clicking STOP, for instance, when the thing is GETting so much, either won't work or will take 10 rapid clicks
@NathanOsman I've tried all the way up to I think 2s
 
1:19 AM
@IanC There is no need to host it yourself for a public website.
 
and I really don't want to go slower
 
The jQuery on the CDN is going to have more redundancy than your website.
And there's a good chance it's already in the user's browser cache.
 
@KazWolfe wat
 
So the user's browser might not even have to load it.
 
talk to our webdev. He's going to have to implement a console eventually
But not 15 at once.
 
1:21 AM
ah, OK
So he might have some ideas?
Who is our dev? :p
 
Could you write a small app that communicated with the servers and then presented a single route to the page?
 
Just about to ask the same question.
 
(With the data from all of the servers in a single request?)
@Edity Suuuuuuuuure you were :P
 
WHO is the webdev?
 
Suppertime. AFK.
 
1:22 AM
@NathanOsman ..................
the next 2 weeks will be crazy.
 
@NathanOsman uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
idk..
 
next week, Chorus will be coming in to my home to mess arround with my internet (not really) then they will install Fibre the following week
crap
Pokemon go is being released to apple watch too?!?
 
Getting AU badges is more fun and challenging then catching pokemon.
 
well, so turns out reading files from the server with JS isn't as simple as I thought, I'd need to use AJAX, meaning something else to learn before achieving the dynamic page loading :/
 
1:39 AM
Guys, are we going to "dress up" for halloween ?
 
yes.
i'm dressing up as the hacker that can bring the world to its knees with a couple of well-placed cyber-attacks
so pretty much the same as the clothes i usually wear.
 
That's a good idea . . . I might change my avatar to something hackerish
 
@IanC hey, I might actually be able to help you with that
 
@Zacharee1 you know Ajax? :)
 
The whole MC server thing?
I used PHP to GET/POST the data, then I used AJAX to POST/GET the PHP
why'd someone DV this before it got removed? askubuntu.com/questions/687406/bad-audio-quality-msi-gp60-2qf
 
1:53 AM
@Zacharee1 cool! I'll need your help once I get to this dynamic loading part of the website then!
 
How long?
because I need to sleep
 
ooh, not today yet! You can go get some rest haha
I still need to work on some stuff before I get to this
 
ok
 
I basically only worked on the page layout and some ideas for the website, still a lot to do
but it was a productive day :D
 
what's this for?
 
1:56 AM
let me show the final layout
practicing web development, has always been a weakness of mine, I decided to actually work on it
 
ah
 
it's supposed to be a programming blog at the end, who knows I might host it if it ends up good :)
 
@Zacharee1 Get some sleep
no sleep = insanity
 
There's a simple footer, ignore the lame quote haha
and the chess stuff, it's just to see how the posts will look like in the template
 
change that body width
too wide
 
2:00 AM
you mean the whole body or the post? I can make the text less wide with the container padding
 
I would center or full-width the menu bar, make the body thinner, maybe add a narrow shadow around the border or make the background color slightly different
also, this might be helpful for color scheming materialpalette.com
If I choose the two orange options: materialpalette.com/deep-orange/orange
 
that's nice! so far I was relying on experimenting and seeing if looked ugly or Ok haha
 
lol
well I've relied on that site a lot
it's for Android apps, but the colors are easily adapted to the web
 
I can put the menu on the center. It's also fixed, so you can scroll and it will be locked in place
 
that's a good idea
 
2:04 AM
I don't know if I'm happy with the links highlighting on it though
 
get rid of the gradient
use a tertiary color from the template you use for active and hover
 
should I get rid of the gradient on the navigation bar too?
 
So... I'm back from supper.
 
@NathanOsman images are down but you can try it out and see what's happening x-p-w.tk/cp.php
@IanC yeah, kill all the gradients
and don't take advice from Fabby
 
"Please login"
 
2:06 AM
I could use yellow on the bar and orange for the hover
I'll experiment tomorrow
 
@NathanOsman trying to remember my temp login
 
I should be getting ready for work, gotta leave in like 20 minutes and I'm still in bed haha
 
@Zacharee1 Oh hang on.
Is it this page? x-p-w.tk/servers.php
I can see that without logging in.
 
thanks @Zacharee1 for the tips and @NathanOsman for the help today :D
 
Glad to help.
 
2:07 AM
@NathanOsman yeah, but if you click one it'll need you to be logged in
Just use Zachary Zacharee1
supersecure
NeverGuess Technology
 
good night! see you all later!
 
I should fix those images...
 
Doesn't work (the credentials).
 
uh
case sensitive user?
 
I am going to catch pumpkin smashers now!
 
2:10 AM
can you also just remove that message for convenience sake?
 
@TheXed O_o halloween is stll 3 days away?
 
@Downgoat they have already struck once...
 
Oh. I usually carve the pumpkins on halloween day
 
O_O
I just googled "bad taxidermy".
 
2:13 AM
why tho
 
@Downgoat they weren't carved yet...they where just sitting outside...
 
I have enough meme ideas to last me for years now.
I don't even...
 
@Downgoat what?
 
@NathanOsman you know what else brought dynamic controls to my fingertips? Key mappings :/
@TheXed nothing :|
 
Indeed.
 
2:21 AM
Just checked the camera, the tree is still there :-D
 
you should stream the feed so we can see :P
 
2:37 AM
@TheXed Is that the Pi NoIR camera?
 
@NathanOsman no
I am going to eventually mount it to my house...just gotta decide how/where
 
...and then stream it live?
...so that we know when you're away and can break into your house? :D
(Do let us know if you have a dog.)
 
www.kerberos.io
Why would I tell you if I have a dog or not?
 
2:56 AM
there has to be smarter way to block notification bubbles that just killing notify-osd
 
3:28 AM
@Serg why not just pop them?
 
@TheXed not working , too thick to pop
 
@Serg a shot gun will work...
 
@TheXed yeah, it will work against bubbles AND my laptop, but i kinda wanna keep the later
 
@Serg good point...
 
4:04 AM
Well . . . I found myself a way . . .except that way requires root access
dammit
 
@Serg sudo apt drink coffee ?
3
 
@TheXed I don't want my user keep running sudo each and every time
 
umm... have them log in as root?
it works for Windows users....
what could possibly go bad?
 
lol sudo apt drink coffee
 
4:22 AM
Any ideas what OP is asking?? askubuntu.com/q/843039/231142
 
AAAAAAArg . . .
there's dbus but there's no easy approach to it
would be nice to have simple tasks accessible to regular user
 
I can re-write it unless someone lse is
hmm half way through and becoming more confused
 
That's why I asked. Confused me and my brain hurts!
 
lol I feel like the top part of the question and the bottom part can be deciphered when seperate
but they contradict each other lol
 
Yep! Good luck!
 
4:27 AM
I think I made it worse
 
I am lost. How do you start a VM without a VM until it is logged in so you can run it at full screen?
 
It almost sounds like he's only ever used linux in a VM and he wants to know if linux exists outside a VM
 
Yeah, it's possible, but this is one of those language gap type questions that make it almost impossible to find out what they are asking.
 
i think I'm going to need to ask a question on security SE site. I don't know what to do with this. I have idea for indicator which may need to chmod a root-owned file. Problem is i don't want to have user be spammed with authentication all the time
modifying sudoers file during deb file installation, I'm guessing is bad practice, so that's also bad
 
4:58 AM
damn Fedoras
 
Fedora . . . not my favorite distro . . . I'd rather use CentOS
 
Arch, amirite?
It's so awesome that the package manager was named after the world's coolest game.
 
5:18 AM
 
imagine hillary yelling in your face like that it would be horrible
 
@PhilipKirkbride lol.
 
@PhilipKirkbride talking to either one of these guys would feel like torment
New 13'' MacBook Pro , $1499 . . . , 15'' MacBook Pro , $2399
Dear Apple . . . where in the F$$$K do you get these price ideas ?
from 1985 when 128 MB hard drive was 3k USD ?
 
that much?
That's crazy
I bought a mbp once in 2010 and I was able to get the best model and a bunch of upgrades for $2000 Canadian.
and looking back even that was a rip off, though it did what I needed well for a long time.
 
5:37 AM
See, I'm not against OS X at all - I think it's a great system. But their hardware is bloody overpriced
 
well I liked OS X in that it got me into bash
but when I left it felt like they kept making things more locked down
do you have a laptop you like?
 
Well, I used to use regularly Toshiba Satellite L455D , but it's quite heavy and now the battery doesn't hold well at all. I liked it for the keyboard - quite comfy. I've got Toshiba C55 now , quite light, 15'' screen , but keyboard is pretty much flat,large, and keys are all together - the spacing is too small, so it doesn't feel compfy
 
command line gold \o/
3
 
@Rinzwind congrats !!!
 
5:43 AM
thanks :)
 
I kind of like Acer Chromebooks. I'd love to get one for myself and install Ubuntu and mess around with it
problem is that I can't add second hard drive to it
I can do so with my 15'' Toshiba C55 , though. That's what I have right now, by the way - one SSD with root on it and HDD with bunch of VMs and backups
 
my last acer broke at the hinges.
and not cuz I did stupid things with it.
 
I had a thinkpad t440s and that broke sooner than I hoped. Now I'm using a refurbished t420.
Has an i5 an doesn't run too bad but I want to upgrade
 
I have a Asus. Metal one; no more plastic for me
 
which one?
is that the zenbook
 
6:01 AM
nah cant get the hang of small systems :+) I need a full 17"
 
When I don't actually need a laptop I go into the computer stores and dream about how amazing it would be to have that $3000 alienware something or other. Then I ask the shop assistants about all sorts of tech specs and obsess over things like key spacings, sizes, how much resistance and travel the keys have when typing. Then when I actually need a computer, I am so over all the details, I literally just get the cheapest laptop with a 15" screen.
 
overkill @the_velour_fog :X 3000$ is too much for any hardware
 
The quality of audio over Bluetooth sounds pretty good until you connect headphones.
 
@NathanOsman i need advice
 
6:10 AM
@NathanOsman take a look at this, tell me what you think: security.stackexchange.com/q/141262/121824
i can continuously run pkill -f notify-osd , but that's . . . basically race condition
read dbus mesages, if there's message for notify-osd: kill it
 
What does the indicator do?
(From a user perspective?)
 
block notify-osd bubbles
 
Okay. How does the indicator accomplish this?
 
well, the way Jacob implemented it is via the method i just described - continuously pkill -f notify-osd. Mine is supposed to chmod -x /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/notify-osd and then pkill -f notify-osd . That blocks notify-osd completely
I've also used the pkill method in my bash script, but i am not happy with it, like i said - it seems too much like a race condition
 
But if you remove the execute bit, won't that break OSD for other users?
 
6:18 AM
Yes, that would be a possibility.
 
Out of curiosity, does notify-osd run as root and then expose an interface over D-Bus?
Or does it launch a daemon for each user?
 
it launches process owned by each user
the file itself , however, is owned by root
 
ehm the 3rd method seems to speak to me the most :P
it basically splits what you need into a root and a user part
 
@Serg What is restarting the daemon? systemd?
 
serg made me join security stack :+D
 
6:26 AM
@NathanOsman I'm not quite sure, i'm guessing dbus.
 
@Serg Let me see if I can figure out what's doing it.
 
What I found is . . . notify-osd doesn't start if there's already an instance registered for it . . . so . . . I think, if I can kill the process, then masquerade my own process as notify-osd , then it can be blocked
 
Hmm...
 
@Rinzwind hehe, welcome to the site then :)
 
nathan@nathan-desktop:/usr/lib/systemd/user$ ls -1
basic.target
bluetooth.target
busnames.target
default.target
exit.target
glib-pacrunner.service
gvfs-afc-volume-monitor.service
gvfs-daemon.service
gvfs-goa-volume-monitor.service
gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor.service
gvfs-metadata.service
gvfs-mtp-volume-monitor.service
gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor.service
obex.service
paths.target
printer.target
pulseaudio.service
pulseaudio.socket
shutdown.target
smartcard.target
sockets.target
sound.target
systemd-bus-proxyd.service
Looks like systemd isn't starting it...
I don't see it in the list.
It's definitely not a user service.
Upstart!
It's a child of upstart.
 
6:36 AM
Apparently so
 
upstart──notify-osd─┬─{dconf worker}
                    ├─{gdbus}
                    └─{gmain}
I wonder if upstart is starting it...
 
$ initctl list | grep notify
notify-cgmanager stop/waiting
notify-osd is not on the list
 
Hrm.
developer.gnome.org is down ಠ_ಠ
 
yeah, been so for couple days or weeks, it seems
i'm using other documentation sites
 
What is "alsdorf"???
Interesting:
/usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service
^--- relevant, maybe?
 
6:46 AM
Yup, that's one possible venu. One can mv that file into .bak file , but problem is that . . . it also needs root
 
I'm starting to think that you're right. Maybe D-Bus is starting the app.
 
contents of that file are this by the way
$ cat /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service
[D-BUS Service]
Name=org.freedesktop.Notifications
Exec=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/notify-osd
so it's our little notify-osd friend again
 
How does it know to run that on the session bus though?
 
clue i have not, yoda am i not
 
OH NO.
The Gnome developers have gotten their hands on d-feet.
It used to have a nice UI.
 
6:51 AM
looks . . . a lot different
 
Le sigh...
Can't Gnome leave anything alone?
I think I'll ask a question on AU about blacklisting D-Bus services.
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Q: How to blacklist a D-Bus service?

Nathan OsmanHow can an unprivileged user prevent a D-Bus service from launching? For example, /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.bluez.obex.service is started by the session bus. There doesn't seem to be a way to "blacklist" it. Am I missing something?

 
Cool. I think I'll put a bounty on it
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Muscle Boost X Trial Pros & Cons by reedaustin on askubuntu.com
 
7:46 AM
I can't imagine what it would be like developing a cross-platform library without a CI setup that tests on all supported operating systems.
I've had Windows-specific failures.
I've had OS X specific failures.
If I only tested on Linux, I would have seen neither of those.
 
8:00 AM
Also . . . you'd need a lot of coffee . . . and maybe some kind of calming drugs too
Well, in the mean time, I'll be working on other projects. Moar inductatorz to come ! Code awaaaaay
 
I'm voting this question to reopen askubuntu.com/questions/842846/…
oh. greetings!
 
8:17 AM
ohai
 
hi Serg. How are things going?
 
eh, alright I guess. Started two new indicators, trying to find a way to start working on 3rd one. Hopefully will finish them by the end of November , if time allows
How about yourself ?
 
doing good. Was working on a project. Found an issue, wrote a question to solve it on SO and bountied it because I was feeling lazy. Nobody answered. Then solved it myself yesterday. Good luck for your indicatorz
 
Thanks. I'm hoping people will find it useful ( and maybe will get attention from Ubuntu devs, hehe , which probably won't happen )
 
Nothing wrong in hoping and I don't think that's too much. You are doing great!
 
9:29 AM
tsk commandline gold is useless :=D nothing for the past 4 hours for me to abuse my new power on
 
9:43 AM
@Rinzwind you should be subscribed to RSS feed for that tag ;) that's what i do. I receive emails from stackexchange every day with list of command-line questions
 
I do too
used it to get the last few answers parts for the badge.
 
@Rinzwind also , be sure to test it out on spam tagged with command-line. I'm convinced that command-line gold insta-nukes spams tagged with command-line. Happend to me multiple times - once i flag it goes poof
 
:D
 
others seem to suggest that gold badge only gives limited dupe voting power, but it can't be coincidence that as soon as i voted on spam with command-line question it was deleted
so, i think it's like "hidden feature"
 
ok, time to pick up this ->
bbl :)
 
9:48 AM
have fun
 
10:08 AM
@Serg didn't i mention about a generic progress dialog already?
 
10:19 AM
@Anwar do you use 16.10?
 
no. not yet
why?
 
ah ok so you are still on 16.04?
 
yes
 
i wanted to check something for numix
 
what was that?
 
10:20 AM
if you use the numix theme in 16.04, what is the default background color of your gnome terminal?
 
default numix gray background. I was in KDE session, that's why it was late
The value is #444444
 
ah ok
 
grabbed with gcolor2
 
i think the default background color changed to white in 16.10 because 16.10 uses gtk 3.20
i wanted to make sure that the change in color wasn't because of me accidentally changing configs
 
hmm.. I don't know about it. You can check the source may be.
 
10:27 AM
@Anwar i checked the edit history, and indeed you added "anything generic will do" , but what remained at the top is "I need to test something with Ubuntu's copy progress window." This specific phrase leads people to think that you want the copy dialog from nautilus. That's the main problem there.
Might seem like people don't read your question completely, and some people don't, but your first phrase set the wrong idea , so . . . unfortunately that's the case
 
@Serg hmm... I see the point. I forgot to edit the title somehow.
Though I came to know lately that title should be ignored generally
 
@Anwar it's really sort of guess and check with some questions. I had to really fight for one of my questions to remain open on U&L and pretty much say why the question belongs on the site. We're all humans and have to communicate
 
As far as I remember, you hinted at zenity at that time. But didn't explain it in details and didn't answer. I also didn't test it then. I was going through my questions today to accept acceptable answers and then played with zenity. I should have pinged you maybe before writing, but since you already avoided answering that one, I thought you had some reasons for that.
 
I just got a pretty obvious review...
Hmm, I think I'll flag that one as VLQ... :)
 
@Anwar recently I've been more focusing on my classes than on AU stuff, so that's probably the biggest reason. Just wait - there will be more answers now that you've edited it.
ok, sleep
 
11:31 AM
@anonymous2 Usually that stuff is hidden... weird
but yeah, definitely VLQ :p
 
11:48 AM
@Zacharee1 I did have a fliter on, so maybe that messed something up.
 
idk
 
12:11 PM
What kind of a Q is this?
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Q: LionSec Linux 5.0 distribution

NvidiaTesAnybody heard about LionSec Linux 5.0 distribution? Are there any websites/forums (except the main distro web) where I can find english reviews regarding LionSec Linux 5.0 distribution? Or maybe someone from you already tested it? I'm using Ubuntu as a main system since 2 years, but I would like...

 
12:23 PM
@DavidFoerster Yeah, those are awful. But no, flagging them is not really useful. The mods can't do anything more than you can. if you want to be a really, really good user, you can go and include the relevant info from the links into the answer. That's the best a mod could do also.
If it weren't accepted, we could delete it etc, but if it's accepted, it's usually best to leave it IMO. Ideally with the info from the links included.
 
@AndroidDev an offtopic one
 
12:41 PM
check out the edit
 
@Zacharee1 Oh geez...
 
@Serg Good thing to do I think. I'm really pissed now askubuntu.com/questions/822808/…
You don't understand a question, you have arguments with the OP, then suddenly you realized question needs downvote! nice
 

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