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bob
1:00 PM
I don't see why you're all so eager to harrass everyone that are just asking questions. We're not doing any harm, and I don't see why all my questions on different matters such as ubuntu or math should be in the same account for everyone to see.
this is the end of the free world, you're just making a big database of people, just like google.
it's just a ubuntu question dammit. it can help others with the same problem, who cares who asked it
 
i do
 
jrg
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Q: Why are people allowed to have multiple user accounts?

JonasAccording to the Users with more than 10 duplicate accounts on StackExchange Data Explorer there are many people that have multiple user accounts for each e-mail address. Why is this allowed? Some people seem to have more than 90 user accounts. This probably mean that people can create multiple ...

 
bob
well there you go.
 
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Q: Possible sockpuppet - What's the procedure?

BenI'm not certain, and it's certainly nothing as blatant as in this question. But... I've just come across these two questions: Error --> ORA-01461: can bind a LONG value only for insert into a LONG column Error --> ORA-00932: inconsistent datatypes: expected - got BINARY Which not only ...

 
jrg
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Q: I am a sockpuppet, may I exist if I have a real purpose?

Josh's SocksI am a sockpuppet account of Josh, AKA The OutOfStars Exception. I am going to help him test the XMPP chat integration system he's building. Am I allowed to exist? I promise to behave, and never leave Meta or Meta's chat. If so, may I please have enough rep to chat? EDIT BY JOSH: I have drawn a...

 
1:03 PM
when sockpuppet accounts are used to complain about bugs, i think it's quite outside of sockpuppet acceptable guidelines
 
jrg
You can have multiple - but since moderators have to worry about upvoting rings and "foul play", we tend to be suspicious.
 
@jrg do you agree with my previous statement
 
jrg
Anyway, this discussion is over, and it probably shouldn't have been brought up in the public room to begin with.
 
bob
that's what I've been saying
 
@jrg probably true
 
bob
1:05 PM
please help me with my technical issue
 
no
 
jrg
@bob since you're technical issue is a bug, all we can do is ask you to click the "affects me too" bug on launchpad, as per the site rules. :(
 
that --^
 
bob
@jrg I'm not sure the bug I mentionned in my question is my problem
as I said, I have a system that is on a 100GB disk, and it's full, although there's no personal files that account for this capacity. So this bug might be part of the problem, but not all of it
the file that regards the bug mentionned is /var/log/kern.log.1, which is 10GB. It's a lot, but not 100
 
jrg
So you have / set up on Disk A, and /home set up on Disk B?
 
bob
1:09 PM
and from what I've read, I also think that this bug actually only happens when the disk has been fulled at least once (it creates 0 length files), so maybe there's another problem (solvable) that created this disk
@jrg no it's only one partition. But I do have other disks (with windows, and personal files)
 
jrg
Do you have an encrypted home directory?
 
ragequit - evidently comments about sockpuppets from bug complaints are not okay, but sockpuppets for bug complaints are
 
bob
@jrg yes. it was asked when I installed ubuntu whether I wanted it, and I think I checked the option, yes. But I think it only affects /home, not /
 
jrg
@bob correct, it is only /home/$your-user
 
bob
@aking1012 I was just pointed by someone very kind to this bug, so I included it in an edit to my question. But I'm not even sure it's that related, maybe it's just a symptom of another issue. I can remove the bug part of that question if it would calm you down
 
jrg
1:15 PM
Oh wait - @bob, do you use Firefox or Thunderbird?
 
bob
yes, firefox, not thunderbird, why?
 
jrg
Yup, it's a bug. Let me dig up that specific one.
1 - Try to download some Ubuntu DVD versions with bit torrent (so it reserves space). 2 - Fill your disk to the maximum and leave something like 5GB. 3 - Wait 4 - Disk space will go to 0 (it doesn't make any sense since space has already been reserved) 5 - Ctrl+Alt+F1 There we can see some messages about ecryptfs : ecryptfs_write_lower: octets_written [-28]; expected [4096] ecryptfs_encrypt_page: Error Attempting to write lower page; rc = [-22] [...] I don't really know if it's really ecryptfs but it doesn't make any sense that disk space just get used up like this when only my firefox browser and bit torrent are open and not trying to write anything else. While your disk space is at 0, it's slow as hell and it will swap quite much (even though your ram isn't full).
eCryptfs
Medium / Confirmed
Is that the symptoms?
 
bob
well yes I guess
I don't really understand how this relates to firefox though?
 
jrg
Ctrl-F through the page, lots of people are using Firefox there.
 
bob
let me rephrase
how does this bug differ from the one I added to my question?
 
1:20 PM
@jrg I'm trying to confirm it now. If only Virtualbox would hurry up! I just use an external 2TB HDD with some weird setups... Bootable with nouveau, bootable with nvidia-common, and some assorted VBox images... I hold at least 30 small ones, and I can fit about 200.
 
jrg
@ObsessiveFOSS It's hit and miss. I went along fine for 3 months, and then boom, it started doing that.
Another time it just did that.
 
I'll see if I can get it...
Did it just start and then happen constantly after that?
 
what just happened above? o.O
 
It has happened.
 
i'm not voting on anything until ppl have to ask questions under their own name
 
1:24 PM
I'm using Oneiric.
 
I am not going to use my own name. Sorry about that.
 
bob
@aking1012 welcome to the free world. You're just even worse than microsoft.
 
jrg
@bob it differs in that one deals with logs, and the other deals with running out of space.
 
@jokerdino you use one account. that's what i meant
 
@bob Those comments are not helpful.
 
1:25 PM
jrg has frozen this room.
 
jrg
Guys. Stop it.
This is the last time I'm going to say this - drop the topic about socks, "names" and so on and so forth. This is not the place for it.
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Now I suggest that we all go take a walk in the park and forget about it.
 
jrg has unfrozen this room.
 
@jrg you forgot to put the room in timeout and instead froze it :/
 
bob
@jrg but I think the very reason why I run out of space is because the logs take too much space, they seem related
 
jrg
@jokerdino No, that was on purpose.
 
1:30 PM
okk
 
Can we stop arguing about it? It was to get us to simmer down.
 
bob
in other words I don't know if I'm just having one of these bugs, or both, or none of them, but one thing is for sure, the disk is full
 
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Q: Please blacklist the help tag

Lord of TimePlease blacklist the tag help, its a useless meta tag that can contain literally any question. It should be purged with fire.

that tag needs burnination and death.
eternal death.
eternal, unending, absolute death.
 
@ObsessiveFOSS i'm simmering, but that turns into a cooked dish
 
@LordofTime there is NO question with that tag
 
1:32 PM
@jokerdino i just removed them
there were 3
 
jrg
@bob They are - and this is the last I'm going to say on this topic: This reeks of a bug. And I think you have both of them. However, I will let the community decide what to do.
 
check the list of questions, i've just edited 3 to remove that tag
 
i would blacklist other crappy tags first.
 
@jokerdino lets ask @jrg
@jrg should burn in eternal fire?
 
jrg
@LordofTime it shouldn't, because it used to mean what you get when you press F1.
 
1:33 PM
o.O
 
bob
@jrg in any case both these bugs seem to occur when the disk is full, so we are going in circles. Why would my disk have ever been fulled, if I put nothing on it.
 
@jrg if i remember this we agreed it was evil and needed death
so this is the second thread which requests its blacklisting
 
jrg
Ok, let me clarify: blacklisting is not something we should throw around lightly.
Not to mention that it's not something mods can do - we have to go through SE for that.
 
@jrg then SE should be brought in. This tag constantly shows up without purpose
a meta tag that contained numerous other tagged questions
where those tags were more specific
the tag "help" is being used like a "please help" thing.
 
Bounty offered: Icon theme doesn't affect Qt-applications (12.04) http://askubuntu.com/questions/126870/icon-theme-doesnt-affect-qt-applications-12-04?atw=1 #icons
 
1:36 PM
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Q: Matlab launcher doesn't work

Daniel JalóI've installed Matlab R2011a on ubuntu12.04. I've installed it in a folder I've created in the Home Folder. I can run it if I run the code cd directory ./matlab However I want to create a launcher that runs. I've followed the steps as explained in the guide here, https://help.ubuntu.com/...

that had tag help
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Q: I'm trying to install gdebi.deb in my Ubuntu 12.04 and can't seem to do it

Lyman FrandsenI'm trying to install the gdebi.deb package on my computer. I need to do it manually through the terminal, but I have tried the sudo install -I package.deb but says it doesn't work because it's not a directory or something. Then I did cd /home/user/downloads/package.deb and when it changed dire...

so did that.
and numerous others ages ago
if we keep "help" it needs to be an alias of something more useful
such as documentation, or something.
i'm going to leave that meta post up, and we'll see what the community says, shall we, @jrg?
that is the point of meta, no?
 
kkk
 
jrg
That is the point of meta - however, we are getting dangerously close to abusing that feature (tag blacklists, not meta).
 
@jrg then why does meta exist? without meta and community discussions on issues, this becomes a dictatorship
or rather an imbalanced system
 
jrg
Particularly since I've been informed that Stack Overflow has less than a dozen overall tag blacklists. Ask Ubuntu already has 5.
(Do note that at this point, I'm not arguing against this particularly case (more power to whatever we decide!) - I'm just putting this warning out there, since we really are going a little nutty with tag blacklist requests right now. :\ )
 
i agree with you on us going crazy, but this is one of the tags in which the community supported its death back in December
 
jrg
1:44 PM
If you recall, back in December a lot of things were slipping through the cracks. Not just tag blacklists. ;P so yes, but really that just means someone needs to talk to SE.
ok, i'm going to go bike into the office. i'll talk to you guys in a bit, don't explode again. please. :)
 
grabs the BFG
don't worry, they won't explode >:)
 
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Q: Please blacklist the help tag

Lord of TimePlease blacklist the tag help, its a useless meta tag that can contain literally any question. It should be purged with fire.

 
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Q: /var/log/kernel filled with errors

TimZEII am using 12.04. It's only been installed for a few weeks, and the computer is new too. Yet my 100 GB partition is already full, though nothing is installed, no videos, no images, nothing that would account for 100GB anyway. One of the problems seems to be coming from /var/log/kernel.log, which...

BBL
 
hello all
i see here is none alive pepole
 
2:07 PM
Why is this room so quiet unusually?
 
i'm in a foul mood related to something earlier and it surely doesn't help
 
I see, this two is very similar. new and old
 
not casting votes at present
 
something might has happened.
 
crickets
 
2:11 PM
??
 
@msPeachy I suppose you're asking about the stars. It indicates how many stars a message get
@jokerdino Hi
 
hi
 
@aking1012 I am using my own name
 
... not funny
 
@AnwarShah i understand, but my point remains the same. and i'm still not voting
 
2:29 PM
ok ... on a lighter note - microsoft are about to launch the touch version of MS Office... can't see how this is going to work myself!
 
i use MS 07 and i am pretty happy with it
 
you have to upgrade to win8/touch
 
have you been playing with win8?
 
that way you can navigate a touch ui with a mouse...
 
no, i am just using win 7
 
2:30 PM
@fossfreedom a bit
 
good/bad?
 
good idea. poor execution
 
sounds like vista then...
 
note exactly, just a sec
a toggle-box during install for i want conventional versus i want touch would have been a great idea...and squashed almost all complaints
 
... so its touch or nothing?
 
2:32 PM
don't MAKE users choose. LET users choose. if it's actually awesome they'll choose how you want them to.
win8 is built around an interface that feels like it's built for touch
 
hmmm - just about to buy a laptop for my daughter .. dunno if I should wait for wait for win 8 or just go with the default win7
 
same as unity i guess. big buttons with no choices...but that's digressing. go with win7. it's more intuitive if you've ever used anything but a smartphone
 
@aking1012 not voting on what?
 
@msPeachy anything
 
why do we keep going back to that? :-/
 
2:37 PM
i just got back and saw that
sorry...
 
i see foss trying to move the conversation forward. basically i'm super irritated about a specific issue, and it's not worth explaining
 
anyway, i heard wikipedia is losing on editors
 
i would suspect that's true
 
... all subjects known ... nothing new to write... if only :)
 
don't we wish
so my first marked as resolved bug... that i marked myself
 
2:40 PM
@fossfreedom Can Ubuntu be a choice ?
 
@LoT was kind enough to edit a help wiki with some broken links so i marked th ubu.doc bug as resolved
 
@AnwarShah ... not in the UK ... all the main manufacturers have been Microsoft'd
... I'll have to pay the tax and do the dual boot stuff myself.
 
@AnwarShah well...it certainly isn't a necessity for everyone. it kind of HAS to be a choice in FOSS's case
 
... I've brought up my children correctly - they've be suitably ubuntu'd - so may not need to use windows anway!
 
^^ correctly is the word.
but we have already grown incorrectly I guess.
at least me
 
2:45 PM
/me no has children..(and doesn't see them in the foreseeable future) so no worries. still, it's a choice.
 
... takes one wild night and who knows...
 
you have evil and not evil. pick an os
 
now you sound like Lord...
 
well it's not something i aspire to, but surely i'm not ashamed
 
< The name of mods are colored in blue
Helpful for us
 
2:48 PM
if you speak to mods differently you're doing it wrong
 
... you know - I've never noticed that!
 
@aking1012 just kidding
 
as long as bob isn't a moderator...
MOVING ALONG
 
There is a mobile version of this chat >>
 
... moving swiftly on... @aking1012 - did you look at that rhythmbox plugin I converted...
 
2:51 PM
@fossfreedom as of yet no. i will. i've just been relatively busy all things considered
 
ok.
 
that was the link. i have it saved
 
I moved to the mobile version, and now stuck.
I can't get back to the main
get back again.
 
i am back
was a quick dash to the laundry
 
Anyone know of an alternative to Compiz Annotate for Kubuntu? I'm looking for something that allows me to doodle anywhere on the desktop so I can take a screenshot of it later. I'd like to avoid stand-alone apps like shutter, inkscape, etc
 
2:54 PM
re: wikipedia, i would move on to other things in life from ask ubuntu once i find it is not suitable for me. if it not rewarding or i find better things to do, i would happily move on.
 
@MikeB depends on the situation. a simple pygtk app with an undecorated window would do it if you can stand to have no background interaction
 
@aking1012 is that even a horse?
 
yessir it is
 
looks like a semi camel
 
@MikeB temporarily run compiz ? is that an option?
 
2:56 PM
even my animated gifs are getting criticised... sadface
 
heh
 
BBL
 
@jokerdino: funny, i was thinking an alpaca
 
well alpaca is a semi camel isn't it?
 
@fossfreedom It's an option.. but something I'd like to avoid. I'm looking for a permanent solution so I can quickly take screenshots like the one in this answer meta.stackoverflow.com/a/138032/172224
 
2:59 PM
yes, but smaller and fuzzier
 
alpaca, camel, llama all come in the same family :/
 
and sometimes they have elvis hairdos
 
wat?
 
my night is ruined :@
on a forgotten note, how is your appl. coming along @aking1012?
 
it's fine. progress is slow, but steady...and it will work when it's done...contrary to some things :)
 
3:01 PM
sorry i sorta forgot about it over time :/
 
np. which one were you talking about. progress on pyc disasm gui is faster than most, googlemap to obj is being refactored in to pygi opengl, and the game thing is always slow going
 
mouse and keyboard freezes when i open photos with image viewer
 
@aking1012 no not that. the LP writer
 
@jokerdino the packaging app?
 
the job posting?
 
3:04 PM
oh. no dice. 5 years exp req and i couldn't find a way to fulfill the exp req
 
oh, you applied and got a reply?
:/
 
i might have done it better but expreience requirements kill me
no. i didn't. mandatory 5 yr exp req
 
:(
 
if it was in preferred instead of required i would have applied
 
bah, i hope you land yourself a posting soon-ish
 
3:06 PM
we'll see. they could stop posting absurd requirements any time
 
lol ;p
 
sorry
 
just posting for the mods
 
duped.
 
merge users as you are at it?
i am seeing a lot of self dupe questions these days
 
3:09 PM
... created two accounts almost immediately - how did they do that..?!
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these days, i grab the flag queue and approve the correct close vote flags =)
i guess that helps the mods?
@fossfreedom get two browser and spam the question?? xD
 
bot-i-fi-cations
 
hmm possible
 
merged.
 
thanks
 
3:10 PM
anyone taking bets on how many bug questions can get posted in a day?
 
about 100 out of 180? xD
 
i mean by a relatively unique user
 
@jokerdino yes - more than you know - very helpful.
 
o.O
 
Lets hope more 10K+ users take your lead.
 
3:13 PM
that sounds a little sarcastic; anyway, if one of us handle the close vote flag, would it still stay in the flag queue or what?
@fossfreedom :P i just get bored sometimes
 
@jokerdino it was me raging. don't worry about it
 
@aking1012 nono, it was a reply to foss' message. i found it a little sarcastic ;p
 
oh...
 
@jokerdino no need to flag a close question - no sarcasm intended.
 
Whether or not this question should be reopened, this one should probably be closed, since it's explicitly a duplicate of that one:
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Q: Will 12.10's arm edition support raspberry pi?

privateI just bought one and would prefer running Ubuntu over Fedora. (Please don't close this question again). I am also looking for an answer to this. There is nothing wrong with the question format. Please don't be over-eager admins.

 
3:15 PM
@jrg how was the bike ride?!
 
jrg
@fossfreedom Hot. And exhausting.
 
@fossfreedom okay on the second point. i am not talking about flagging. i am saying if someone flags a question for closure and i attend it (as in, cast a close vote) what happens to the flag?
 
flag stays until we deal with it.
 
aww
 
jrg
@fossfreedom iirc, or until we get 4 10K users to do something.
 
3:17 PM
thought i could chip in a bit
 
--^ that as well.
 
that won't happen in the near future
should pimp Eliah to 10k
 
feels like the bastard child. he was fine once, but now that we know he should be executed
 
wait what?
i can grant you access to 10k tools but it should take enough time for that to happen
 
@EliahKagan ... I wish people dont answer dupe questions!
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3:24 PM
@fossfreedom I agree, but once the answer was there, I figured editing it for readability would do more good than harm.
 
grr. submit a merge proposal - no reply
offer to help with chromium browser ppa - no reply
 
jrg
@jokerdino Offer to completely automate the chromium PPA, you'll get a reply.
 
^ that
 
is there anybody in the chromium team to do the reply?! I thought they had all gone walkabout.
 
@jrg uhm that will be the last resort
 
3:35 PM
didnt they all go AWOL?
@GeorgeEdison HAI!
 
jrg
@jokerdino Heh.
 
@fossfreedom no idea.
 
I think I finally got my Windows SDK installation fixed.
 
good?
 
3:36 PM
I hope so.
 
458361 all-time messages for this room. o.O
 
Starts the Qt build process...
 
that's a lot of messages
 
Why does it keep using Mingw32???
 
because it just does :P
/me will need food soon
 
3:41 PM
@izx hey the ajaxterm is knocked down by cookie monsters
 
should i flag answers that is NOT an answer but a "me too" answer? will mods move it as a comment instead?
 
they will be deleted. can i take a look to better tell?
 
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A: Internal microphone not listed in sound settings

siymanFor me it's nearly the same situation and I have no idea how to get rid of it. Using snd_hda_intel I can't see a microphone in ubuntu sound settings. After changing in pavucontrol from %anything to Analog Stereo Duplex my external mic is recognized and working for a few seconds and afterwards it ...

 
me too's will be deleted. If you are feeling generous ... use the standard proforma comments together with a flag - make life easier for all.
 
they don't have enough rep to comment that's their only option, to answer.
@fossfreedom thanks will do that
 
3:50 PM
that whole question looks a little dirty
 
Sometimes a me-too reply is actually a different related question, so I recommend using a pro-forma comment that suggests that if they have a new question, they should post it separately.
 
askubuntu.com/questions/139878/… this other guy posted a very long problem as an answer. Are they better off posting a question themselves which in turn would be closed due to duplication? or should they just continue with their "me too's" answer?
@jokerdino eww dirty lol
 
@msPeachy add a comment like i just did. flag it as NAA
 
@msPeachy I am not a mod. But yes. Posting a question that is a question that might be a duplicate is much, much better than posting an answer that is not an answer at all. Furthermore, if details differ, it might not really be the same question.
 
@jokerdino yeah just voted on your comment, you're such a nice guy :P
 
3:54 PM
@msPeachy thanks =)
 
@EliahKagan I agree. But desperate people sometimes don't think, they just do...:P
 
we just have to direct them to the right place
 
Wha.... why is nmake using g++ ??!?
 
hey George. MIA for a couple days you?
 
I think, new user should have more clearer help on "how to accept an answer"
 
3:58 PM
@AnwarShah I agree
 
enough users don't want to learn the service that helps them. please be contented with those that gets promoted
 
@jokerdino and @EliahKagan can I just copy and paste this:
"Welcome to Ask Ubuntu! You've posted this as an answer, but it's not an attempt to answer the original poster's question, so it may be removed soon. If you have a NEW question, please ask it by clicking the Ask Question button. If you have sufficient reputation, you may upvote the question. Alternatively, "star" it as a favorite and you will be notified of any new answers."
 
@msPeachy eh sure. there is a script that helps you post comments like that
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Q: AutoReviewComments - Pro-forma comments for SE

Benjol No more re-typing the same comments over and over! This script adds a little 'auto' link next to all comments boxes. When you click the link, you see a popup with 6 configurable auto-comments, which you can easily click to insert. This script was inspired by answers to this question on meta....

 
@msPeachy
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Q: What prewritten Pro-forma userscript comments can we use and share?

Octavian DamieanI'd like to gather a list of boilerplate comments for Ask Ubuntu which can be used in combination with the awesome Pro-forma comments userscript. Post suggestions too, you are not required to use the script. Please wrap your comments into a code-block for easier copying.

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