Game Development

I really think runescape nailed it with top down world controls, I don't know if I enjoyed it because of that, or if I feel that way because I won while playing it haha

Alex M.

I only used the minimap because it was more efficient than using the 3D view

man runescape was really awesome wasn't it :'(

MickLH

3:09 PM

But, I wasn't like super amazing, so I don't think I am blind to my emotional bias, I do believe they just did well

Alex M.

imo, for having such difficult puzzles, I still think it tops WoW and other MMOs

MickLH

@AlexM. Do you get along with russians?

Alex M.

quests in runescape often involved complex activities and "detective" work

quests in WoW are really just "kill X wolves"

@MickLH hell naw

BlueBug

@ChristianCareaga I see, but is it only for certain objects, environment? The characters did not seem to receive shadow.

MickLH

@AlexM. lol it was kindof a trick question, "hell naw" and "hell yea" would have been the same answer :P ... The only way to answer differently would have been "meh I don't care"

Alex M.

3:12 PM

what's up with the russians though

MickLH

Also the way you answered means people in america will call you one

hehehe

Alex M.

wat

Martin Sojka

No idea either.

MickLH

Anyways, a group of guys (read: russians), wanted to make a runescape similar

I pretty much dropped an engine on them and they said they can manage the content

Alex M.

and they turned it into a nuclear bomb?

by mistake?

mistake

MickLH

3:13 PM

Yeah, but only detonated it twice

Alex M.

lol

MickLH

I am sorta sad that they haven't "Do Work Son"'d yet

I don't know what to do with that project now, my laziness just says keep ignoring it and blaming them for content

But my gaming core knows that's fucking bullshit, the art doesn't really matter if the game is fun

Alex M.

there's this legend about a russian kid who got some LEGOs for his birthday and made something with them

this was the result

lol get this, vodka for women

Almo

sparkling vodka?

:(

i don't mind the pink so much as the sparkling

Alex M.

more like, gay vodka

Țuică

Țuică (; sometimes spelled tuica, tzuika, tsuika, tsuica, or tzuica) is a traditional Romanian spirit that contains 28–60% alcohol by volume (usually 40–45%), prepared only from plums. Other spirits that are produced from some other fruit or from a cereal grain are called "rachiu" or "rachie". Preparation Traditionally, țuică is prepared from early October until early December (after winemaking is complete). The process must generally be finished before Christmas, as not to leave unfinished business for the next year. If using plums, they must be left for fermentation (macerare) for 6–...

Almo

3:19 PM

but we're supposed to talk about this in Pub I think

Alex M.

this is the real deal

60% alc. Tuica

Almo

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/13872/pubgamedev

Alex M.

I can't move posts

and I just can't stop myself before every line to think whether or not it would go there

MickLH

I said something that was "supposed" to be in pub earlier

If the ideas "supposed to" and "pub" can coexist............. DOT DOT DOT

Alex M.

the pub is useless

every member has a different idea about what's supposed to be appropriate to go there

Almo

3:21 PM

only a problem from an anarchist perspective

there are mods, and over time they will set the record straight, I think

MickLH

I see game development as a form of art, therefore all emotional experiences in a game developers life are related to game development

Alex M.

I honestly think anarchism is the way to go, especially for online communities

Almo

no fucking way man

Alex M.

online communities like this one are essentially dictatorships

MickLH

@AlexM. Well it's the only system that can actually work long term, anywhere

Almo

3:22 PM

man you guys are naive.

MickLH

That's why every single political system ever period bar none no exceptions except the natural anarchy that has always been here has fallen apart coughalmo

Alex M.

revolutions IRL happen because people always tend toward anarchism

user92578

Cool, got a SDL window open in C++

Alex M.

then the tendency is stopped immediately by others who start a different form of government after assuring the people it's the way to go

MickLH

nice lol

user92578

3:23 PM

It's going to be glorious!

MickLH

@AlexM. shush your PUB SPEAK here in the grand game dev channel mortal!!

Lasse

@AlexM. ohh, I had a whole bottle of this as souvenir when I got back home from my romania trip

Alex M.

@Lasse hehe, that's a good souvenir

Lasse

It was in labelless plastic soda bottle, so I have no idea if it was home made or not

MickLH

@AlexM. see, this is why americans call anyone who loves or hates russians russian

Lasse

3:25 PM

Anyhow, it was good

Alex M.

@MickLH I still don't get what you mean

MickLH

just like how we do with asians and chinese

Alex M.

@Lasse it was probably homemade

everyone sort of makes their own, my grandpa included

well he did before

he can't now, he's paralyzed

sucks

Lasse

yeah, that sucks

Alex M.

what's funny is, our family produces a lot of alcohol

user92578

3:26 PM

Is there a VS user here?

Alex M.

but we don't drink any of it

MickLH

@AlexM. Ok I know how to explain it lol, that word when said here, actually just means slovak

Alex M.

I'm the only one who regularly drinks beer in the whole family

John McDonald

@Tyyppi_77 I use VS for C#

MickLH

just like "chinese" when said here actually just means asian

Alex M.

3:27 PM

@MickLH I'm pretty sure you mean "european"

because the world = 'murica and europe

MickLH

Nah there's many european places that people can tell apart

lol although I do understand how you might want to correct the rampant ignorance

but I assure you thats a futile, suicidal goal

Alex M.

lol

user92578

@JohnMcDonald I was wondering a thing. So basicaly I have the Solution Explorer at the left, the code part in the middle, and a Properties Editor in the right. I also have Output, Error list etc. in the bottom. Everytime I run my code, the Solution explorer disappears, and then returns back when the excecution ends. Is there a way to disable this disappearing?

Alex M.

yes

while in execution mode, manually bring up the solution explorer

John McDonald

as Alex says

Alex M.

3:30 PM

you should also try moving panels around and hiding/showing them or others

user92578

Oh, now I see... What's actually happening is that the Solution Explorer is jumping to the right side of the editor

Alex M.

you might find that VS' default layout is not really the best for you

are you using VC++?

John McDonald

Yeah, it saves layouts for edit mode and execution mode

Alex M.

because that's the only one I know of that has the SE on the left

user92578

Yeah

user92578

3:31 PM

So I could save a one for Excecution mode, and then be fine?

Alex M.

I think I'll go to the mall and have some ramen

user4704

@Tyyppi_77 Yes. You don't have to save it manually. It does it for you.

user4704

(so long as you don't force-quit VS or anything)

user4704

In fact I don't even know if there is a "save layout now" command exposed.

user92578

SO I need to rearrange things to where I want in the excecution mode, that will be in this case the same as in the edit mode

user92578

3:33 PM

and then it should stop jumping around

Alex M.

yes

John McDonald

Yup

user92578

Okay, thanks a lot!

Alex M.

man I keep on answering before John does

sorry lol

I had a coffee

John McDonald

heh

Alex M.

3:33 PM

it's probably because of that

John McDonald

For Sparta! is now available on Google Play! play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jcpmcdonald.forsparta

:D First ever app in a store (even though it's free)

Alex M.

DAT QUIT BUTTON

also you move fast :D

I'll download it once I get my phone

John McDonald

:) No quit button on the web anymore: forsparta.jcpmcdonald.com

MickLH

I queued it to install through google play

by the time I find my phone it should be installed :P

John McDonald

heh, probably. :)

Alex M.

3:41 PM

DAT WEB QUIT BUTTON

System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at StackExchangeChat.PostMessage(string message)

at AlexM.PostMessage(string message)

John McDonald

@AlexM. * at User.PostMessage(string message) ;)

Alex M.

no no, the inside is really like

user.PostMessage(message);
if (user is instance of AlexM) { warnModeratorsJustToBeSure(); }

or something

MickLH

No I think they use a watchdog timer to be safe

Alex M.

but then the interface would show up

hmmm

I think they'd use the decorator pattern for me

with a decorator that autoalerts mods

or

MickLH

Something like

new Timer(function() { AlexM.Permaban(); }, 1000);
Moderators.alertAll(AlexM, "Unban this guy if everything seems ok, you have one second go!");

Executes every half a second

Alex M.

3:47 PM

var alexM = new User();
alexM.PostingBehavior = new AutoAlertModPostingBehavior(); //we thought Bob was crazy for suggesting this behavior. We shoulda thought twice.

with a strategy pattern application

MickLH

I don't know man, it feels more hackish to me

Alex M.

@MickLH lol

user92578

It's sauna time, bye!

MickLH

GFTO (Get Fun Times On!)

Alex M.

there should also be some functionality for mods to attach themselves to users

so they'd autojoin rooms that the suspect is joining

user4704

3:49 PM

Whoa.

Alex M.

then I could travel around the SE with my mod escort

user4704

Bungie fired Martin O'Donnell?

MickLH

wuut

Alex M.

HOLY SHIT

why is it so amazing though?

user4704

I'm saddened to say that Bungie's board of directors terminated me without cause on April 11, 2014.

Tweeted by MartyTheElder on April 16, 2014 at 5:28 AM

Alex M.

3:50 PM

hmm

Apple also fired its pre iOS 7 designer

MickLH

lol sucks to work for a company

I don't see why they would keep these guys around once they give the company a couple epic products that will float the company for life

user4704

@AlexM. Well Forstall made some stupid decisions.

Alex M.

yes it does, no matter the company tbh

I'm constantly working towards building my own

user4704

Maybe O'Donnell made junk music for Destiny, I dunno.

Alex M.

I just can't find fulfillment in working for someone else

user4704

3:52 PM

But that seems very odd. He's had a very strong relationship with bungie for years, even before he worked there.

MickLH

@JoshPetrie That's always a possibility but realistically it's artwork

If the music is junk, you tell the musician, "I kinda hate this, could you make it? Better?"

Alex M.

@MickLH isn't that the first step though?

I mean you give the musician some guidelines to follow

you don't just tell him "dude make some music for this game."

"k will get back tomorrow"

anyway I'm off to get that ramen

cya later

MickLH

lol of course you don't say "dude" unless you want something way too bro

that will get you somewhere between the beach boys and dubstep

Alex M.

@MickLH like dubstep?

HAR HAR

MickLH

You use a bunch of classy bullshit instead

But ask roughly the same question :P

And hope the musician can apply their musical intelligence to what's going on

Well I mean, if you want them to actually try and write something lol

If you try to get too specific you'll just kill the creativity and they will just let a computer program generate music theory for you 100 times and pick the best one

Or they will just walk their fingers up and down a chord, and use the arpeggiator recursively until it's a melody :P

Alex M.

3:58 PM

you use "hello sir i need sondtrack for my gam game is for IoS and andriod i develp it in java which is short for javaScript pls kindly send me a proposal wiht an rough estimat sory if thise is not posted in th apripriate section my english is not very god thank you sir for reading thise hope to her back from you soon"

and in exchange you get

MickLH

Actually there's a lot of ways to make boring crap music, and if you try to force music out of someone that's nearly always what you'll get, there's algorithms for making pleasing music, there's none for making amazing music

Alex M.

"hello sir i have red your project descriptian i am profesional sound designer i use fuiti laps and winamp i can mak album art in microSoft painT i work fast and am good worker pls accept me bcos i want to work on ur project bcos it sounds excitinge i ask for $1 per 100 minutes of soundtrek regards <person's name which would actually get me suspended again>"

then you get constant reminder messages from him like

"hello sir did u red my proposal pls accept me u wont regret"

MickLH

Sounds like every single person from India I've ever worked with

No joke

Especially "hello sir ..." where ... contains the word "you" spelled "u" and the word "please" spelled "pls"

Noctrine

Yo

MickLH

sup

Noctrine

4:16 PM

About to begin day two of my quest to remove things that are unnecessary from this codebase

:O @joapet99. Happy Birthday! @AlexM. Happy Belated

Oh wait

There needs to be a better way to read the transcript :\

:( I think he hates me

Noctrine

5:02 PM

@MickLH Have you checked out the OP-1?

MickLH

the teenage engineering piano thing?

Noctrine

Yeah

MickLH

I haven't played with it, actually the only reason I've heard of it is a friend was going to get one or did get one

Noctrine

Mkaay, do you use any of the music apps on the ipad?

MickLH

oic, it's "mkay"

Noctrine

5:12 PM

Yep

MickLH

I don't have an iPad :P

I use almost nothing for music except FL studio, a few proprietary sound processors, and a few of my own design

Noctrine

FL has a mobile app :p

MickLH

I don't like it! it doesn't load my or the proprietary sound processors

Noctrine

Hmm, was gonna try a touch-based UI with the source for the synth that you sent. But I feel like a hardware keyboard is necessary.

MickLH

Actually it could work great, add a sequencer

Let the user sequence MIDI, and sequence 3 knobs, the LFO shape, speed, and amplitude

With control over those 4 inputs it can be "juiced" almost fully

Almo

5:21 PM

2

Q: Just found out my 13 year old girl is Bi and dating a 17 year old girl in an "open" relationship. Huh? Now what?

A little background- my daughter has never had a boyfriend/girlfriend or relationship and is in 8th grade. She has always been young for her age and had a tough time identifying with other girls and kids at her school (we had issues of bullying- mostly to her being shy) in which we switched her s...

teen

MickLH

I feel bad for these kids

I've seen first hand the mental problems this exact situation creates

Almo

:(

Alex M.

@Noctrine I don't hate you

Noctrine

We already had the railing against the system talk :p, if you want to codify some formal rules you should post them on meta and campaign for them :D

Alex M.

what system talk?

also rules for what

5:27 PM

Anarchy / etc etc

Some dubtechno

Chat and all that, read up in the transcript

Woo new music

→ 44 messages moved to Pub<GameDev>

:D

MickLH

I just don't understand how @Almo expects to get his point across by throwing out personal insults and never explaining his views or rebutting mine...

Noctrine

I think he ducked out because of the way it was trending, which is why I moved it.

Alex M.

6:23 PM

I started playing this and my opinion is torn in two

Cherry Tree High Comedy Club

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first, I like the overall stuff

second, I hate the abundance of memes and references

they're everywhere

I really love subtle display of popular memes and references

but when you see characters saying lines like (exactly like, in this case): "has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like"

you sorta go like "meh"

Noctrine

I like it when things are aware of the actual world, but not when they throw it up in your face all the time. That's what's been turning me off of Arrow.

MickLH

@AlexM. I've never once got a kick out of that line

Alex M.

me neither

at one point while swimming through the IKEA jokes

I thought I was playing 9gag the game

I'm bracing myself, soon I'll go through Medal of Duty dialogues

MickLH

In fact any time anyone says that, I execute:
`SpeakingHuman.Rapport -= Math.abs(1 / SpeakingHuman.Rapport)`
in my head

although it's misleading near the limit, I have a rate limit enforced on all changes

except discontinuous jumps to -Infinity

Alex M.

you're too much of a nerd for people to understand you hate them

MickLH

6:30 PM

Well if I have infinite respect for them, I only lose no respect, which is still losing respect in my eyes

But I consider 0 to be a natural number :P

Alex M.

two days until I get to use my new phone

SO DAMN EXCITED

I've never had a fast phone

it's like back when I got my first capable PC

while I was using a Pentium 3

MickLH

<3

Noctrine

What are you getting?

Alex M.

a HTC One

MickLH

pfft you got me all hyped up on that epic nostalgia trip

Noctrine

6:33 PM

Darn, Twitter got rid of their username claim policy :(

Alex M.

man the jump from Pentium 3 paired with an ATI 3D Rage Pro w/ 4MB of VRAM to a Pentium D (dual core), and an ATI x1600 w/ 256 MB of VRAM was so huge

it's like I had the universe at my feet

and was able to do anything

MickLH

My jump was similar, P3 733 w/ 512mb and onboard i810 chipset GPU, to something with blue cold cathodes in it lol

was the first time I ever bought a computer, I got an E6750 with 2GB and an 8600GT, overclocked everything like hell

Alex M.

@Almo do you have any idea if Carcassonne for Android is just as broken as Catan?

it's in the current humble android bundle

MickLH

Got into the Ghz club with my first chip valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=352433

Almo

as far as I know, Carcassonne for android is great

Noctrine

6:41 PM

:( too many humble android bundles

Alex M.

@Almo neat, getting it

John McDonald

Carcassonne on Android plays really well imo

Alex M.

I'm too foreveralone.jpg to actually have people to play board games with

and I wanted to try them out

MickLH

meme limit alex

Noctrine

No comic book store near you?

Alex M.

6:42 PM

anyway, my ISP added a new feature

Lasse

@Noctrine Those are not common in europe

Alex M.

cloud storage - 20GB for free

Lasse

except maybe in france

Alex M.

and 150GB for $3 per month

I'm thinking about getting it but it's only for the 500mbps and 1000mbps contracts

and I'm on 100mbps

Noctrine

Market Vacumn!

Alex M.

6:43 PM

@Noctrine yes

there are many board game shops

but I can't just drop by a table and say hi i'll play this shit with you

Lasse

whynot

MickLH

@AlexM. That's really smart for an ISP to offer this, they could let you max out your link to them for free and not have to pay for backbone

John McDonald

Hey Byte

Byte56

Yo

BlueBug

b, Byte?! have you received my ping about t shirt?

Alex M.

6:46 PM

@Byte56 BlueBug won the jam, can we get him a t-shirt?

though if you ask me

I wouldn't give him one

I'd send him a hanbok instead

@Lasse because!

you don't just drop by like that

BlueBug

I have much hanbok in my garage. I would prefer American t shirt.

Noctrine

:O It wasn't John again

John McDonald

heh, it was a 3-way tie, so technically I also won

Byte56

Oh, looked like a 3-way tie. I'll see if I can get multiple.

John McDonald

:p

Alex M.

6:48 PM

john already has one!

Byte56

If anything, I'd say congusbongus won with the most up-votes.

BlueBug

:D dances in overwhelming joy

Alex M.

send his to me pls

I want to look like a nerd too :(

Noctrine

GDSE Gamejam Gavel?

John McDonald

Speaking of the jam, I have made some updates to For Sparta!, and have an android version now, however: I do have the original gamejam entry still available. I'd like to make these modifications to my entry if possible

Alex M.

6:49 PM

sure thing

well, I can't unlock it

but Noc can

Noctrine

I'd totally grab your android version if I had an android phone

@JohnMcDonald Send me your modifications

Alex M.

@Almo is there some reason why boardgames on mobiles don't have internet multiplayer features?

John McDonald

:) Yeah. I could also make an iPhone and Win Phone version, but I'd need to buy the dev licenses

Alex M.

just local mp

Lasse

our current AI, not yet made any new time records yet, but still: helloworldopen.com/race/534ecfe1e4b00e3c58c77d6c

Almo

6:52 PM

@AlexM. Carcassonne does, at least on iPad.

Alex M.

> Local multiplayer mode for up to 5 players

on Android :(

Almo

as far as others, I can only comment that Pandemic doesn't because they wanted to release it before they had time to implement the network setup.

Does Android have something like Apple's GameCenter?

GC makes it quite easy to set up networked games.

Alex M.

yeah

the google play game services

Almo

without needing to run a server.

then I can't say why they have not implemented it.

many of these are contracted to third parties.

Alex M.

I only used GPGS for leaderboards myself

but I know it supports multiplayer stuff

Almo

6:53 PM

like carcassonne is a contract

Noctrine

Next gamejam! Mobile P2P Boardgames!!!

Almo

same for Catan, that most embarassing of tablet board games

hideous implementation

Alex M.

um if I get john's shirt I promise the next jam will be a blast

like, a nuclear blast

jk lol

I'm planning for the next jam to be a blast anyway :D

John McDonald

@Noctrine I'd probably just find a way to have all three links in there: Latest Version, Game Jam Version, and Android Version

Noctrine

If you send me the markdown I'll edit it in :D

John McDonald

6:55 PM

The full markdown?

Alex M.

anyway, I'm partly at fault for the jam being a tie

Noctrine

What you want me to put in

Alex M.

I didn't vote for anyone

John McDonald

k

Noctrine

If you want to change the full thing I can do that also though.

Alex M.

6:55 PM

I found John's game to be too difficult for me to understand at a glance

so I refused to vote for anyone because I was unable to make a comparison

John McDonald

@AlexM. That's because it is

Alex M.

yeah didn't have that much time to rtfm :(

Noctrine

I only played Bluebugs game. Unfortunately I didn't get 2048. I was gonna post it to Hacker News, but he used Unity instead of three.js

Alex M.

I think I'll get Carcassonne for iPad instead

Almo

I played that one several times online

works well

Alex M.

6:59 PM

what's up with the LEGO games getting such high ratings all the time

LEGO LoTR is out

and has a metacritic of 80

same was for LEGO Star Wars

and the others

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