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12:20 AM
Bah. Can't log in to meta.gamedev. :/
 
12:31 AM
@TrevorPowell Why not?
 
No idea. Page reloads, not logged in. :/
 
are you on a mobile device or something?
 
Nope, regular firefox browser. BRB. Going to try clearing cache and cookies and all and try again.
Mm, same deal. Can't login to meta. :/
Hm.. works from Chrome. Weird.
 
I must say, I hate it when people write if(someBoolean == true) rather than simply typing if(someBoolean).
 
Ah, there we go. Was HTTPS Everywhere.
 
12:43 AM
@TrevorPowell What about you?
 
Mm? I'm not too fussed about that, myself. The real trouble is when people want to `int value = <calculation>; bool result = value;`
Personally, I like to bool result = !!value;, but that often makes co-workers wince, so I'm forced to bool result = (value != 0);, which is so wordy. ;)
 
tell them not to blame you, blame the fact that you are forced to work in a truthy language
@AidanMueller the argument i've heard is, why not write if (true == (true == ( true == someBoolean)))
 
@AidanMueller Not as bad as true == expression
 
True (pun intended).
 
Lovely yoda expressions.
 
12:52 AM
OH. Took me a second :)
@TrevorPowell Two !s kind of look like a new operator. Actually, why do you need those nots there anyway?
 
user4704
"x" may not be of Boolean type, by !!x certainly is.
 
So it's kind of like a cheap cast?
 
user4704
Yes.
 
user4704
(I also dislike "booleanExpression == true" or == false)
 
The problem with that is that in normal speech I don't say "Hey Joe, did you not not go to Walmart yesterday?".
 
user4704
1:01 AM
Yes, but it's often dangerous to make analogies with natural language when discussing programming languages.
 
@JoshPetrie Why do some people like to put the increment operator before the variable in for loops? Example: for(int i = 0; i < unicorns.length; ++i)
 
user4704
My argument against !! is that it is one of the less-readable ways of explicitly casting to a Boolean value. That's all.
 
Yeah, I realize that. But the point I was trying to make is that it doesn't look nice.
 
user4704
@AidanMueller Because pre-increment is never slower than post-increment (barring stupidity).
 
user4704
But post-increment may be slower than pre-increment. In situations where the semantics of pre versus post are irrelevant, then, prefer pre-increment.
 
1:04 AM
Hmm. I didn't know that post can be slower. I always thought that post looked nicer, but that might be because that's how I first saw it being done. I guess I could change styles.
 
user4704
It's usually a triviality in terms of performance.
 
But then again, most would argue: "increment i" versus "i increment". So yeah.
Well I gotta leave. Bye.
 
@JoshPetrie Seems like something a decent compiler should optimize away.
 
I slept from 15:00 to 1:30
now it's 4AM and I'm enjoying tea
what a lovely morning
 
I just woke up too good morning bro
 
1:12 AM
@Jon I ordered the HTC One myself too in the end
 
6 Pm here lol
 
user4704
@VaughanHilts It's possible, yes, but not always, since the semantics are different.
 
@JoshPetrie I can't think of any time a simple increment like that couldn't be replaced logically with a post-increment or vice-versa.
 
user4704
The result of a post-increment operation is the un-incremented value.
 
user4704
So you need a copy.
 
user4704
1:15 AM
So languages that cannot support (via the language or via the tools) the requisite analysis to determine that a copy would go unused can't necessarily avoid the copy.
 
I do var+=1 unless it's a loop counter most of the time
#hipster :(
 
user4704
(or ones that can't determine that the copy has side-effects or not, if that's an option)
 
Relying on an optimizer scares me
 
my mother also got this one: gsmarena.com/htc_desire_300-5666.php
she's been used to dumbphones so far so I think it'll be a shock at first to see the battery die in a day or so lol
> The Desire 300 comes with a 1650mAh battery with above average longevity. Quoted talk time on 3G stands at 11 hours and stand-by is excellent at 26 days. In reality, with lighter use you’d be able to have the phone last nearly two days which is okay.
well it's not that bad
 
Lol don't worry she'll play with all the new stuff all night and demolish the battery in 5 hours and get a good idea of how easy it is to do that
 
1:27 AM
well she talks on the phone for work a lot, so I'm positive she spends at least 4 hours per day in calls
it's especially annoying on holidays because whenever we go out somewhere half the time people from work are calling her because some shit stopped working or they don't know what to do
also she mentioned she bought it to be connected to the internet at all times
perhaps it would be best if I told her how to stop that 3G connection when it's not needed
I doubt she'll do more than that
inb4 "HEY SON I JUST DISCOVERED THIS AWESOME GAME
ASPHALT 8 AIRBORNE
HOLY SHIT THIS SMARTPHONE IS AWESOME"
nah jk that would never happen
everyone knows asphalt 8 is shit
 
3G doesn't really hurt the battery if it's not being used. wifi and gps will though.
 
depends on the apps syncing in the background
 
fair. I don't think I have any that do that.
no facebook or twitter or any of that crap.
 
yeah ever since she discovered facebook two years ago she has to visit it daily on her PC
 
I do have 4 email accounts on there...
 
1:32 AM
I can only guess she'll do the same with the phone
 
probably
 
@VaughanHilts I've worked with compilers which weren't smart enough to convert post-increment to pre-increment, even in trivial cases. Not in many years, admittedly, but programmers tend to have long memories.
 
I wonder how long my phone will last
huge part of my AI project is all about background syncing :(
 
long memories? nah, mine resets every time I turn off.
 
haha yeah to be honest, I forgot all about that "long memories" point until icy brought it up again 2 lines later
 
1:34 AM
long memory;?
hey look, hotline miami 2 is getting released soon and a ripoff is already here: pcgamer.com/2014/04/15/…
 
True story: Four years ago, I was working at a company which was making Xbox 360 and PS3 games in C++, and which had a no-constructors and no-destructors policy; all initialisation and deinitialisation had to occur inside manually-called "Init" and "Deinit" methods. They had this policy because of a compiler bug on the PS2, a decade earlier, which resulted in constructors not being called on class instances inside statically-declared arrays.
*long* memories.
 
@TrevorPowell that's almost muscle memory though
 
(Note that that compiler bug was eventually fixed, and there were ugly workarounds available even at the time.)
 
sounds like management tried to help and forced an answer out of the first developer to crack and try to explain the issue
then verified that this answer does technically work, and forced it on everyone
Get back to work!
 
1:39 AM
@AlexM. They came up with a strategy for dealing with the problem at the time, and then it just became a not-to-be-questioned policy, instead of being a coping strategy for a real issue.
 
I keep thinking about how Unity does initialization for some reason
with its Awake -> Start chain
and how everything you set in an eventual constructor can be overwritten by unity
Windows Phone 8.1 review: A magnificent smartphone platform
It's a 0.1 update that feels like a 2.0 update. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/04/windows-phone-8-1-review-a-magnificent-smartphone-platform/
> It's a 0.1 update that feels like a 2.0 update.
something here smells wrong
 
That's just the post traumatic stress disorder
Microsoft has new management now give it a chance
 
no no
what the reviewer said
> It's a 0.1 update that feels like a 2.0 update.
0.1 and 2.0
haha there's a Halo 4 spoiler in that article
> That Halo 4 spoiler is nothing short of rude and retarded. I haven't played it yet, I didn't know it, and by putting it right in the text I had already read it before processing the fact that it said "spoiler". There is literally no reason why it should be in this article.
 
Didn't everyone who gives a shit already play that?
 
is halo 4 even released?
apparently so
it was unnecessary though
no matter how old a game is, stuff like "X dies." should be avoided
sniper elite 3 sure looks awesome
not sure what kind of weird fuckhead likes to see killcams like these though
 
2:06 AM
@AlexM. They're quite satisfying
Just watch that person's cartilage and bone get ripped to shreds by a .45
Blood spraying on the uniforms of their comrades
It's awesome
 
Kids these days man...
 
Haha
 
: ' ) makes me so proud
 
"Son, someday, you're gonna make a great serial killer" - My dad
 
2:19 AM
"Son, someday, you're gonna kill a lot of terrorists." - hasherr's dad
and pretty much any other brainwashed american dad
 
@AlexM. Spoiling Halo 4's plot is a kindness. Might result in fewer people needing to play it.
 
lol
I hope japan never changes
 
I hope they do. Progress is important you know. Advancements in technology, evolution of the species, all that good stuff.
 
maybe next they'll make an anime about The Doors
like a K-On spinoff
@Savlon Thanks, it feels great to know I'm not alone and shouldn't give up. I did do a lot of trial and error that taught me a lot but where did you learn everything else then? — CodeOfGenius 20 mins ago
what's up with people starting programming thinking it's some sort of arcane art
 
everyone thinks it's an arcane art until they actually get into it. I don't understand why.
I get a lot of praise from some of my coworkers because I can program, like I must be some kind of genius. And when I say programming is easy, it's just some of the problems you have to solve with code that can be hard, I get the strangest looks.
I'm not sure if it's amusing, flattering, or irritating, but it's probably all three
no one ever believes me though
they're all like "I could never learn to program. I'm not even gonna try, even though I keep saying over and over that I want to."
 
2:31 AM
where do you work wtf
 
I'm a tutor, so we have both students and teachers from a number of different specialties, all pretty smart people in some way or another
 
for a moment there I thought you were the only programmer in a company or something
I was thinking "wtf is a programmer doing w/o programmer coworkers"
 
nah, I have 2 coworkers who are good at programming, 1 who's done it a little, and about 8 others who don't even know what code looks like.
at least in that department
 
then perhaps you can answer my question
22 hours ago, by Alex M.
what could possibly motivate you to become a professor
especially a CS professor
 
every professor would probably give you a different reason
 
2:34 AM
it's like you're constantly writing stories instead of taking part in them
 
I'm a tutor because I honestly like anyone who wants to learn and I enjoy helping them. It's like a breath of fresh air compared to the rest of the world. But I don't want to do all the grading and stuff, so I have no intention to actually teach.
for the most part, people don't ask for tutoring unless they really want to learn something. there are a couple vampires there, but they're not common.
 
Mysticial over at the lounge told us about uni professors sending death threats to him if he doesn't tell them what algorithm he used in his yCruncher (his program helped set a new world record @ computing Pi)
 
lol really?
 
yes
that helped reinforce my idea that professors are really leeches trying to get noticed somehow
without doing anything practical
just writing stories
you can't really comprehend the hate I have for academia
 
well I can only say that's not at all true for the professors at my uni, but I go to a fairly small one that wouldn't attract that type anyway.
 
2:38 AM
Today, I forgot how to multiply.
I had to do 1024^3 * 1024^2 * 6 without a calculator.
 
all of the profs I've had for tech related classes have worked in the industry for quite a while. a few work full time as programmers and just teach one or two classes because they want to. those part time profs really don't get paid enough to do it for any reason other than loving it.
pay for the full time profs is fairly nice, but even those have already spent decades as programmers.
 
I have to go to college today gah
my burns are sorta better, no more pain
they've become dark brown and are round
in certain areas these would actually look good
like beauty marks
 
1024 in binary is 10000000000
that has 10 zeroes.
multiply binary by 2 means shifting one digit to the left.
multiply by 1024 means shifting 10 to the left.
shift 10 to the left 5 times.
convert to decimal.
multiply by 6.
at least that was my first thought
if that didn't work, I'd just do actual multiplication on paper
err wait, it would be shifting 4 times, not 5, I think
 
needs more pen & paper
 
yeah figuring out the decimal value of a 1 with 50 zeroes after it might not be much easier than just doing the multiplication normally.
I thought I was being clever too
 
2:55 AM
What time zone is the time on the right? It doesn't seem like UTC. (maybe I miss calculated)
 
it's probably your local time. or whatever your system clock is set to.
your message says 22:55 for me, which is my local time, EST.
 
3:11 AM
@IcyDefiance Now do that on a 2 mark question
 
2 mark?
 
It was worth 2%
Not worth it
The problem was my brain blanked, I couldn't remember how to multiply on paper >.>
 
never do more than what's required at a test
 
lol fair enough
 
just do enough to pass then get on with more useful stuff
like, your life
 
3:13 AM
actually I forgot how to multiply on paper years ago, and only refreshed my memory on it recently to help implement my giant number class for project euler problems.
 
@IcyDefiance I haven't done paper multiplication in YEARS. Like 10+ probably
 
Except you know, basic * 10 etc
 
3:38 AM
@VaughanHilts I went about this totally different than @IcyDefiance did
combined exponents into 1024^5 * 6, then changed bases into 2^50 * 6
 
Clever, but still not worth the 2% to compute it :)
 
fucking clever programmers
 
then took advantage of being a computer nerd and converted it into 2^32 * 2^16 * 2^2 * 6
 
I can only brute force my way through everything
but I have the hardware for it
so I got that going for me
 
then Guessiproximatedationed it to 4 bil * 65536 * 24
 
3:41 AM
I just in the end rounded to 1000
And called it a rounding error
Since I had to sum of several of these
 
you said you didn't do it
 
that's like 89% accurate
~88.81784197001252%
I swear I'm not a perfectionist! I just get off on any excuse I can to whip out a calculator ;)
I would totally adjust my pocket protector habitually if I could stand to wear a shirt with a chest pocket
 
@AlexM. Most of the question was coming up with these numbers
I tacked on a couple zeroes due to it being "1000"
I think that's hardly "doing it"
At least, by my standards
 
I've been on such a math binge for a while now :)
 
actually I was wrong my mum didn't get the desire 300
it's the desire 500
it has like 1GB of RAM and a quad core
wtf
but hey it was $6 on contract
 
3:55 AM
@AlexM. you're basically the exact demographic whose opinion is relevant, I finalized that decision on using truly exact math in my scripting language because I feel that gameplay programmers don't need to waste time fucking around with side effects from numeric approximations
 
uh
thanks, I think
it's good dumb programmers are looked after
I think
 
lol well that's not even how I saw it
It's not a matter of dumb, it's just efficient
The computer can do math homework... why do we do math homework?
 
it's good dumb programmers are looked after indirectly
 
Well either way :P the tradeoff is speed of course
I think it's a good trade because nobody should do super heavy stuff in the language anyways, just controlling the engine
Also maybe one day it can even have a speed advantage, because so far it's been a HELL OF A LOT EASIER writing an optimizer for a language where the math is exact instead of floating point
I'd greatly appreciate yours (and anyones really, @Almo?) comments on the subject though
 
sounds good to me
I want to build useful stuff
 
4:04 AM
@MickLH Is this a compiler extension or just language?
 
@VaughanHilts It's a language, just wrote EBNF and converted it to C with bison
 
@MickLH Gotcha.
I think I recall you talking about this a couple months back
 
it generates an AST which I wrote an interpreter for so I could debug easily, but the strategy for normal use is LLVM
lol
 
4:26 AM
Ah nice, what are your plans for it?
 
it's basically the core of my engine
the highest level is basically immediately given full control, the content processing tools are just scripts that don't open a video context
 
5:21 AM
"exact math"? How does that work?
I mean, you presumably don't actually store an exact value of 'pi', for example. Or 'e'. Or even 1/3, if someone was to ask you to calculate that?
(Not trying to be argumentative, just curious about what tradeoffs you've chosen to make :) )
 
I'm using an expression tree to store exact values as math objects, with rational components processed by GMP
A series of simple algorithms manipulate the tree to try and "soften it up a little" lol
 
Ah, cool. I like that approach. :)
Reminds me a bit of an old paint program which didn't save the raster image which was painted, but instead saved the set of brush strokes and other operations which had been used to generate the raster image. Was typically much smaller that way.
 
Yeah I think it should simplify the programmers life a bit not having to worry about adding a bunch of potentially tiny or large values in a loop
there's also an approximation system, which uses recursive error analysis and some more algorithms to come up with floats when they are necessary
well it comes up with rationals, but you have to request specific bounds on precision
 
5:37 AM
oh my god I played some cs
basically this early in the morning you only get to see 2 people on the local servers
and there was this guy who was clueless
"alex m do you want to be friends"
and he was constantly just running around
the other guy planted the bomb and he was sitting near it
when I came to defuse, the guy just started shooting at me as if it was a friendly hello
it is worth noting the opponent didn't try to kill the guy despite the fact that he was near the bomb because
well, he wouldn't have defused it anyway
anyway it was a good laugh
during the last round he grabbed this shotgun and started running around with it
 
Well, at least he understood the "don't stay still" part of the game.
 
oh my god but it was so funny
aiming at the sky and running back and forth
it was like watching a bot with broken pathfinding and aiming go at it
LOL
and the messages were just the cherry on top lol
"alex m do u have skype"
"alex m do u have facebook"
 
hey beautiful souls of internet :D! Starting a day here now!
 
slightly related since @MickLH plays CS
did you ever want to kill your idiotic teammates that just decided to gather around you after you find a nice spot to take cover? :D
 
I don't play FPSes were I can't.
 
5:48 AM
but maybe that's what I deserve, since I never do teamplay
I use my teammates to tell where the enemy is and where he's shooting from :(
 
Specifically, PlanetSide 2 - my own team bunches up where I don't want them? I drop a bunch of mines and a sticky grenade there. They move or they die.
 
basically if a teammate dies near me there's a 90+% chance I'll jump out and go for the headshot in a second or less
and I usually let them die just for that purpose
@MartinSojka wish that worked in CS
 
It doesn't happen often, mind you, but I have blown up quite a few badly parked "friendly" vehicles there.
 
the best is when you have an engineer, set up a turret, and you're just firing away at things, and morons keep jumping in front of you.
I mean friendlies just appear out of nowhere, and then they're dead, and I laugh, because I'm not even capable of moving.
and this sounded a lot less awkward before I typed it and hit enter
 
ArmA II was also like that when I played it: When I lay down covering fire, I don't care if you're friendly or not, you'll die before I have the chance to notice the difference.
 
5:57 AM
haven't played that one
haven't really played many fps games at all...
 
It's more of a MilSim (and there's an ArmA III now, though Steam-only, which means I won't buy it), but it's awesome if you like tactics in your FPS.
 
well at least I clearly beat the other guys while laughing my ass off
best part is they were also part of the server's staff
I'd say I play well but I'm pretty mediocre considering for how long I've been playing
I'm 21 now and I started playing when I was 13
but I guess I never practiced specifically to get better
it was always for fun
 
Given I'm almost 40, my reactions aren't the best by now, but I make it up by being support and laying down explosives. Lots and lots of explosives. ;)
 
> The Cokeville Miracle is about an Elementary School hostage crisis that occurred on May 16, 1986, in Cokeville, Wyoming, United States, when former town marshal David Young, and his wife Doris Young, took 167 children and adults hostage at Cokeville Elementary School. David Young entered the school with his wife transporting a large gasoline-filled device that appeared to be a bomb.
what's up with americans and messing around schools
> Doris Young tried numerous times to calm the children by telling them to "think of it as an adventure movie", or that they "would have a great story to tell their grandchildren".
> In the classroom, David Young held the gasoline bomb, with the triggering mechanism attached to a shoelace tied around his wrist. He demanded a ransom of two million dollars per hostage and an audience with President Reagan
> David Young was the only police officer in Cokeville for 6 months in 1979. After being fired for misconduct, he moved to Tucson, Arizona. He returned on May 16, 1986 with his wife Doris. At 1:00 pm, they pulled up to the Cokeville Elementary School and unloaded a gasoline bomb, along with four rifles and nine handguns. David Young went to the school office, handing out a manifesto entitled "ZERO = INFINITY" and announcing "This is a revolution!".
> Teachers were confused and baffled by David's nonsensical and strange writing and due to this deduced that Young and his wife were mentally ill and delusional. Meanwhile, Doris Young went from classroom to classroom, luring 167 children and teachers to a first-grade classroom by telling them there was an emergency there.
 
Game Development.
 
6:05 AM
if it pleases you, I can make a game about this
#define 0 INFINITY
> 76 of the hostages suffered injuries, mostly flash burns and other injuries from the exploding bomb. Several children reported seeing angels in the classroom that day, including many children which claimed to have seen a "beautiful lady" who told them to go near the window. Other children reported seeing an angel over each child's head.
anyway, here is the source, it contains multiple such mysteries: imgur.com/gallery/rv2JW
 
6:21 AM
the dyatlov pass incident is my favorite
because it's in russia and fuck knows what happens in russia
putin could be an alien for all we know
 
actually I'm pretty sure that nothing happens in russia, except on roads, where russia is actually more interesting than any other country, except japan
 
yeah that's russia's problem
I wish russia was more like the US
very clever but stupid enough to be loud about everything
I wonder if the US is not some sort of tool for Russia
basically drawing all attention
nothing beats communist censorship and silence
actually now that I look at it, from this perspective, the US looks like a buffoon
w/e it does, there's international bragging
w/e happens, they're there
 
they're not in ukraine, and everyone's yelling at them for it
the US, that is. I think that's what you're talking about.
 
nobody is in ukraine
but the US definitely advertised itself as trying to stop Putin from advancing
 
6:32 AM
with pics too
I don't think any other state took pics of its president talking to putin on the phone LOL
I bet obama was like just talking to putin LOL #selfie
also nobody is yelling at the US for not being in ukraine
certainly not me
 
hmm? loads of people want the US to at least threaten war with russia
 
just sit near ukraine where everyone should
and hope it all ends with ukraine falling
and no other country involved
@IcyDefiance again, not me
those people are probably idiots
not sure what you're trying to tell me though
 
well, yeah, they are. there was even a study showing that position correlated with an inability to point out ukraine on a map. XD
but I'm mostly joking, saying semi-nonsense
don't take me seriously right now
 
russia starting a war with the US is the last thing I want to happen
because the US won't die first
since Romania is an ally of the US and is so close to Ukraine
we'll die first
because yeah, proxy wars
like the cold war
 
fair point.
 
6:37 AM
anyway back to mysteries
I'm so frustrated we can't time travel
I'd love to have a bird's eye view over what happened on that mountain
I'm so curious :(
one of the searchers wrote a book which contained journals and manuscripts that were censored by the government
and after his death all of his work was burned
> On the 26th, the rescuers came across the team's abandoned campsite. It was deserted and the tent was badly damaged as if something had ripped through it. Oddly, it appeared not as if something had tried to get into the tent, but rather like someone had ripped their way out. Tracks were found leading away from the camp and, 500 meters away, the found the first two hikers next to the remains of a campfire - both of them were dead, shoeless, and in only their underwear.
this is the best part
and the one I'm most curious about
 
what could possibly make you try to get out of your tent that way
it certainly didn't allow them to untie the tent and get dressed
outside there were -18*C
so I guess they had a really good reason to run away like that
also after that they made a campfire near a tree
and waited there for a while until trying to return to the tent
> Thibeaux -Brignollel’s skull showed evidence of having been struck by a heavy object. Zolotarev and Dubunina’s chests had been crushed inward, shattering several ribs and causing massive internal damage. Strangely there were no indications of what may have caused this severe trauma and, even more bizarrely, the corpses showed no signs of bruising or soft tissue damage.
but I'm sure there is some anticlimactic answer to this
like, russians performing some nuclear weapon testing (there were signs of radiation on the guys)
and sending some troops to kill the people there for seeing something or making sure they won't be seeing anything
> The searchers were startled to observe that Dubinina’s head was tilted back; her stretched mouth wide as if emitting a silent scream. Upon closer inspection the rescuers realized that her tongue had been ripped out by the root.
#aliens
 
hmm...other than the radiation, I'd go with avalanche, but it's definitely strange
 
> The campsite on the slopes of Kholat-Syakhl. Not really an avalanche threat.
but that's what a blog says
I'm not good with snow and how it behaves
Now this is the interesting part: Yuri and his wife were killed in a car crash in the mid 1980’s a few short years before the partial declassification of the Dyatlov papers. According to this source all his papers, records and private notes of the Dyatlov Pass Incident have gone missing.
^ the guy who wrote that book
this shit makes me want to get near the people who were there if they're still alive
and beat the info out of them
 
6:57 AM
I dunno enough about avalanches either, but it would explain everything except the tan bodies, the missing tongue, and the radiation. but the bodies probably tanned from laying in the snow for a few weeks, the tongue is gone because that's one of the first things scavengers go after, and the radiation was not in the original report, though I can't find who added it or whether it's reliable.
 
> A chance meeting between on a train with a medical assistant at the accident site – Maria Ivanovna – revealed that she recalled 11 bodies being discovered and not nine. Two were hurriedly removed to a destination unknown to her.
well yeah not sure how reliable everything is
but at least everyone seems to agree about the tent bit
so there had to be some urgency
 
mhm, and the censorship is odd too
vOv
 
7:19 AM
be sure to check the imgur link close if you actually like this stuff
there's also part 2 and 3 there
with links at the bottom
I love this shit but it creeps me out a little bit
pasting it again because it's awesome: imgur.com/gallery/rv2JW
the taman shud case is also interesting
especially after this comment on that link:
> marktheaardvark 99 points : 10 hours ago reply
FYI "taman shud" translates to English as "it has finished" or "it has become finished." Source: Speak fluent Farsi
@IcyDefiance yeah
even if the answer was an avalanche and animals eating out the tongue and stuff
why would you treat THAT as a state secret
and censor everything?
 

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