I hear a demand for a better minecraft

Landmark? :)

It exists already, it's called real life. Kappa

Oh, I'm already working on something better than real life and minecraft

Real life has this annoying thing called "gravity", for example. Also "other people".

@Lasse be sure to make it so that I can build realistic stuff at realistic sizes

not just worlds made of huge cubes

Gravity isn't and issue in space. ;D

i.e. make your cubes scalable

i.e. make sure it doesn't have to be cubes.

@AlexM. I have thought about this already, but not yet sure how to implement

I'd like to be able to build stuff like this :D

not sure how Cube 2 works

but you should check out its editor

That place looks ripped out of Dark Souls.

I could make some option there that it would try to round the corners

that would also be great

@MDavies dark souls is a ripoff of Rune

I meant the building. XD

As in a direct resource pull from the game.

you might be right

Can you also include boob physics and a "build waifu" option? ;D

@AlexM. Octrees

I'm using octrees too

They try to compress the memory

not sure if you've played with that engine before

There is an engine called Octrees?

But the tesseract fork would be pretty awesome for making anything minecraft like

I thought you were talking about actual octrees. That is pretty confusing.

it already supports networked multiplayer editing of the octree

and efficient culling and dynamic lighting of the octree

and all that fun stuff with a script console and model loaders and animations

and a health/weapon (game engine) system

I'm still not sure whether you are saying the Engine is called Octrees or engine uses octrees. ;o

No it's the Cube 2 engine

Ah, okay.

The Tesseract fork

What's the fun in using pre-made model loaders when you can make them yourself? ;D

It's practical

@MDavies depends on what your goal is

Saves time and frustration, and reduces the number of bugs while usually increasing performance

if it's making people happy, using premade stuff is easier

This is coming from someone who's a roll-your-own zealot

I know, I'm just messing about. :P

I just felt very satisfied when I built my own.

I only roll my own on stuff that's meant for myself

stuff that I don't advertise, obviously

good morning.

yo juventus

(party) I have birthday today

happy birthday dude

happy birthday to you

:P

In the evening I'm going to eat brownie

Poor brownie, what did he ever do to you!?

I have a waterproof keyboard

whenever it gets dirty I just take it to the shower

what...?

how...

when...

I'm getting old.

Can anyone explain this behaviour to me?

It should add then remove 100. Idk. Take a look what it does instead

codepen.io/anon/pen/Engsp/?editors=001

amazon.com/Logitech-Washable-Keyboard-K310-Windows/dp/…

like this one?

no, much cheaper than that

it says here $29

it was ~$6

many years ago

@OliverSchöning what is that supposed to be?

@Jovito sweet. I buy that maybe

I'll take my noisy keyboard over washable any day. ;)

mine is noisy

what jovito linked is not only !noisy

it's fucking ugly

@AlexM. Object pool. Trying to reduce GC. Problem is the loop dont work

:D

this one is beautiful

amazon.com/Foldable-Flexible-Waterproof-Keyboard-Compatible/dp/…

lmao

@MartinSojka lol that's one way to put it

actually, the sex pic is wrong, let me fix it

#Tyyppi_77 "...makes the rooms created by the code look like they should?" Like they should? Are you talking about making things prettier?

Is that a better one? :)

no

when i talk about golmers:

fix'd

@Lasse the new updated picture on the your project higlight is amazing

Also @AlexM. happy belated birthday!

Golmer is a term used to refer to profound study of nothingness; existence of non-existence.

You should not have your birthday be in the weekend if you want people to see it =p

have a golmered birthday

there were quite a few people online though

anyway

it was a joke don't think I'm actually complaining lol

save it for next year if you really want to

I at least want to have a golmered birthday

@joapet99 golmer

(means: a relaxed birthday)

since golmers don't really do much

golmered birthday.the term is used to express the nature of brief life. Even if we exist at the current time frame, it is inevitable for individuals to perish in the end to nothingness. Such a profound statement, it is.

@AlexM. I didn't think you were complaining =p

Also, online doesn't mean active =p

I'm fairly sure I'm online most of the time

wtf @BlueBug

@KevinvanderVelden the problem might have been that people were too active

and my message got buried quickly

its like saying a cat can speak with an mail

@joapet99 golmered birthday basically means, your past, present, and future will eventually shrink into nothingness buried in time. I think it's quite an offensive statement to make press report button

?

nei I was just golmering you @joapet99 hurhurhur.

thats an golmer infecting birthday

this is hilarioius

I cant get over that cinematic man

I can't even enjoy the glitch because I'm asked to suspend so much disbelief in such a realistic environment that it just leaves me with a stupid feeling

I mean, guy with a gun, two helpless victims... bang bang done, no?

But then after the guy fails to disarm him, surely that's the sign, stop being the nice guy if you want to win

But then after the girl kicks him in the balls and runs away, and is just standing still on a ladder for like 10 minues, why can't writers come up with an actually at the minimum half assed situation why the bad guy has to be the nice guy

Instead of just some stupid crap like "Oops I forgot to shoot even though I came up to point blank range with a gun and said I'm going to!"

@Jon hahahah

Writers are often sloppy, and their audience responds to queries such as yours with "but it's only supposed to be a bit of fun". Well, if it's dumb enough, it's not "fun," it's just "stupid".

Pirates of the Caribbean: dumb, boring film. Not "fun" at all.

Lol to me that's the hugest insult

If I play a game where I'm supposed to believe I'm some great hero taking down some evil force

Then I find out at the end I've been struggling against some bumbling moron nice guy with a gun and no balls to shoot...

heh

:)

@joapet99 thanks :)

It's not really that amazing for what I've seen by others

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what, why?

Game development and other polite discussion -> Off-topic and general discussion for gamedev.se

well, scroll up some more

there's plenty for you to move

Great, you can recognize the difference. Ideally you'd post it in the correct spot to begin with.

this is the correct spot

this room allows offtopic as long as it's not insulting

The only message from me which was moved is a polite "happy birthday" to Alex, but oh well. :)

excuse Byte please

he's not yet sure what "other polite discussion" means

other

? The other room is for off topic and not insulting as well.

so you can recognize the similarities

the other room is basically a dupe but w/o gamedev discussions

I'd close it tbh

I would not, I think having a separate room for all of that is great.

The other room is not a dupe. Take off topic conversation there.

that's fine, as long as you remember you're the only moderator here who thinks offtopic does not belong here at all

hell not even community moderators think offtopic should be banned here

I thought chat rooms were meant to create relationships with other people that share similar interests

I think off topic is fine here. But this shouldn't be the first place it's posted.

Whereas, the stack portion of the site is for questions

@Byte56 I'll be sure to keep a 1:1 ratio for my offtopic in both rooms, yeah

If you're having a discussion about how much you hate each other, you can take it to the off topic room.

Cool

Opinion based discussions about things not related should be in the pub too

Byte is talking about offtopic offtopic

and ontopic offtopic

ontopic offtopic is supposed to go here

and offtopic offtopic is supposed to go there

Right, safe sex and how much you hate each other is offtopic offtopic.

How are new people suppose to know this, is there a manual?

@AlexM. which means when i was offtopic in the offtopic room i was right about posting it there

no

you were offtopic offtopic offtopic

LOL

we need a 3rd room.

yes

just for alex and me

We need to go deeper.

THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID

take it in the other room

we need to make an offtopic offtopic offtopic room

and a joke room

oh, i love jokes

I have a great joke.

Jon

Get it?

yes

its amazing

Sorry, that should have gone in the joke room.

It's just, we don't have one yet.

I think byte's aim here is to make me make myself suspension worthy again

BUT I WON'T BITE

They always BYTE

So, I have a basic 2D parallel view engine, tile-based - think old-style RPGs or something you'd make in RPG Maker. Now comes the movement part. Basic control is easy: Use arrow keys or WASD to move. However, I'd like to add diagonal movement as well as in general having the characters not be "stuck" at walls if possible to move diagonally along them. Anybody here dealt with the problems and solutions inherent in that?

yup.

though in all honesty, perhaps we should write down some rules

too many moderators moderate with their feelings forward

Byte is a prime example

it affects us all

The king of the north!

I can't tell what is offtopic offtopic and what is ontopic offtopic w/o sharing your sentiments

The most basic idea would be to just delay the response to movement key presses by say ... 0.1s, and only then check if two of them were pressed. The question is then, how long a delay is too long?

Playtesting time!

delays are neither too short nor too long

That seriously depends on your game

delays are exactly n milliseconds long

@MartinSojka There are some questions like this: gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/7305/… gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/63392/… for the collision parts

anything else is testing

The other idea would be to allow for picking a destination with the mouse and use pathfinding to go there, but then it could get either unfair or too easy if the pathinding either just runs over hidden traps - or runs around them.

For the diagonal movement code, it can get pretty difficult to code properly

you need to consider if the user is holding the diagonal buttons down... what happens if he is pressing 3 of the buttons

Yeah, that's why I'm asking if anyone here has any experience with such systems. Or maybe just personal preferences regarding control schema in such games. What worked for you before, what didn't?

I have code somehwere..

I wrote a gauntlet demo

the controls pissed me off for a while.

replace a moderator with a moderator who moderate the moderators

I seem to recall having to put artificial delays on the keypresses

And ignoring anything after a second key is held down (arrows)

@MartinSojka I believe the standard implementation to not get stuck is to know the "inside" and "outside" of your world, and when your intended movement vector would place the player "outside" the map, project it back into the map along the normal of the closest surface facing "inside"

That's what I'll roughly have to do due to the fact that what a human considers "pressed down at the same time" is not nearly the same point of time for the computer. How precise are humans here anyway?

I'm looking for my code..

might be able to help you

Sure, would help.

@MickLH We're talking about a 2D tile map (well, with some height information), the normals are not very helpful.

Unless I'm missing something ...

That's an ignorant point of view, if you are tied to it goodbye, if you want to learn that normals exist (non-trivially) in any dimension 2 or above I'm here

@BlueBug So, we have a "sun" that moves across the x-axis at the bottom of the screen, then we take the slope from that sun to the center-point. when we make the shadows we turn all opaque pixels black and adjust the alpha to make them transparent. When we convert them to this form we store each 1Xwidth strip in a list. then since we have the slope from before we move where the strips are blitted accoring to that slope, and ass the sun moves so do the sahdows

If that makes any sense

@MickLH Normals require differentiable manifolds to exist. A discrete space isn't one.

Can't find that code...

I can define something like a normal on the tile boundary, but it'll only ever be pointing in one of four cardinal directions, so projecting anything along them would just put the character back to where they started.

@Jon No problem, I'm just bouncing ideas off of you guys anyway. ;)

@MartinSojka sorry if I came off like a prick, I feel that I did so I disappeared

here's a sub par info graphic to go with my text earlier :P

the hard part is finding the "closest point"

and the map doesn't have to be manifold, but if it's not then you will need to include a raycast phase to detect when you are colliding with a wall

@MickLH You didn't. I'm just not sure if it's helpful for a map which will basically looks like this:

(Not my map, just a random one off DeviantArt)

It's definitely a viable strategy for something like that

... or this one, since it shows the kind of tiling I'll deal with:

are you limited to moving on grid cells only?

Probably better of with just collision rectangles

and I'd agree about the rectangles if your angle is like that

@MickLH Yes.

I can't believe I lost that diagonal movement code...

Are there any gameplay ramifications to taking diagnol paths as opposed to just making 2 steps?

Is the movement like final fantasy 1?

(moves 1 block at a time) or more fluid (velocity based)

I think this issue goes deeper than just a collision routine either way

Will you have diagonal facing sprites?

@MickLH Diagonal paths take 0.7x the time of two steps and can lead to more interesting map designs without them being annoying to navigate. That's the basic idea anyway.

Every block needs some extra collision information, so that if, for example two boulders are adjacent diagonally, but there is enough space to cross between, the engine could detect this but still block when the adjacent cells are full of for example 2 walls that have no space between to cross

@Jon I won't actually use sprites, it's all (tiny, stylised) 3D models, so I can have fluid animations and any facing I want.

pastebin.com/mz8BxJdb

Might be useful for you then

diagonal movement code

@MartinSojka Did you set it to 0.7 arbitrarily or are you implying 1/sqrt(2)

Basically, the idea is that when I start at the red "blob" at this map and just press left, I'll go like that:

lol! that's what I originally imagined

but then thought nah he must be asking something else

@MickLH sqrt(2) / 2, since we compare one diagonal move (sqrt(2)) to two vertical/horizontal ones (2).

My original solution fits it though, and allows to generalize on the "size" of the kernel

@MartinSojka 1/sqrt(2) == sqrt(2)/2

@Jon Thanks, I'll see what I can clean from it.

@MickLH I know, I just wanted to make sure you know where the numbers come from.

Well the idea I've got is to use the numerical derivative formula on a conceptual wall you collide with

Although in the trivial case you could just scan 3 blocks, the one you hit, and the 2 on each side in the direction perpendicular to the motion vector

If only one of the two edges is missing, you can take the path to the missing section to achieve that graphic you drew up there

That "wall" at this point is either at 90 degrees from movement vector (if I construct it along the actual tile boundaries), or has a discontinuity (if I construct it from middle points or either tiles themselves or middle points of tile boundary lines).

My biggest worry is less about the implementation (though I'm sure I'll hit quite a few bugs there ...) and more about player expectations.

A good study subject, is Zelda on SNES

Oh cool, somebody there actually reverse-engineered this.

troygilbert.com/the-legend-of-zelda/movement-mechanics

Very informative article on the subject.