Game Development

12:04 AM

@ChrisMcFarland Just played your game for the first hour, got rekt on the first 3 tries, after that I got the idea of the game, but it is still hard sometimes. I'm really liking it

Jon

you should try playing it blindfolded

Chris McFarland

haha. Nice though, yeah it takes practice

Jon

12:29 AM

how many years?

I put a star in a level and now I can't get it

how the fuck did I get that star?

DH.

lol

Your level design is so good that even you can't beat it

It's like the creator of Mega Man: he never finished one of his games

Chris McFarland

hah, real!

I think it was castlevania, there was a rule where if a boss was implemented, the designer/developer had to be able to beat it without taking any damage

Jon

ok so i figured it out

wow

that one is fucken hard.

Chris McFarland

lol

Jon

wow

yeah, I think I'm gonna have to edit that

TheMuffinCoder

12:39 AM

I'm tempted on getting tallowmere

Jon

fuck man get it

TheMuffinCoder

but I fear the amount of time I code will suffer

Jon

support the gdse devs

TheMuffinCoder

it already suffers from overwatch

Chris McFarland

I bought 5 games yesterday, installed them
but waiting for that right moment to sit down and play them

TheMuffinCoder

12:41 AM

Jon

which one

TheMuffinCoder

oh snap my safeguard to steam came back

Chris McFarland

@TheMuffinCoder there's always the DRM-free version~~~

Steam is no obstacle

TheMuffinCoder

LOL

fine link me

:D

wait which is cheaper?

Chris McFarland

chrisnzl.itch.io/tallowmere

same US price

Jon

12:42 AM

2 fiddy

TheMuffinCoder

wait is itch.io secure enough?

Chris McFarland

yeah it's legit

TheMuffinCoder

sorry me le noob

Chris McFarland

It's an up-and-rising indie storefront

that doesn't suck

cuz a lot of them suck :/

Jon

and allows you to give more money

if notch likes your game

you get an extra 10 bucks

Chris McFarland

12:43 AM

haha, yeah that's true, add on a tip

itch has a nice layout really
instant payout to the devs, no minimum payment threshold like most

Jon

amazon pays me out really low amounts

TheMuffinCoder

:D done

Chris McFarland

aww thank you

Hope you have fun

Jon

$ 2.52

my last amazon deposit, lol

Chris McFarland

crazy

I think Amazon only pays me at $100

only received like 2 or 3 payments from them

Jon

12:45 AM

i don't sell much copies off amazon

TheMuffinCoder

LOL

"sacrifice a kitten for a +10 health"

Chris McFarland

don't do it, muffin!

think of the kittens ;_;

TheMuffinCoder

No one will judge you here

I love this game already

Chris McFarland

lol

My current main plot idea for t2 is:
Tallowmere has pimped up her dungeon, heaps of mobs and items and stuff
but then it all gets stolen - including her kittens
and the idea with unlockables, is that you'll go around into other enemy dungeons, and clearing a boss of a dungeon will get back an item or mob or other unlockable

rather than, "oh you killed the end boss so here's a new item for your game for no apparent reason other than 'game mechanic'"

TheMuffinCoder

Preorder the season pass now and get an exclusive ingame tallowmere emote

Chris McFarland

12:52 AM

rofl

Jon

Tallowmere Pre-order Gold. Get a shoutout by chris on GDSE chat

Chris McFarland

:P

TheMuffinCoder

Hey chris

why dont u make a web port for tallowmere

this looks perfect for as a webgl game

Chris McFarland

I want to redo my website
make it feel more like a corporation's website
make it feel that Tallowmere's dungeons are a business entity, and she wants you to come and join her ranks
"now hiring", looking for looters, dungeoneers, heroes, heroines, and cat lovers

@TheMuffinCoder I've tried the WebGL builds a little, but they take so long to load

Jon

man i need to redo my website too..

I have to list out a bunch of WebGL demos

Chris McFarland

12:56 AM

aye

Jon

then I have to put up a GORB tribute page

Chris McFarland

I really wish it was just quick to load like most Flash games

WebGL feels like fricken molasses

hangs the page too if it's too large

Jon

yeah

its pretty unstable

Chris McFarland

it sucks :(

Jon

it works pretty well for small games

TheMuffinCoder

12:57 AM

lol thats with unity

write it from scratch (with just the rendering library) and webgl is a beast

Jon

my tripeaks game, for example, works flawlessly

jgallant.com/Tripeaks

Chris McFarland

@TheMuffinCoder yeah that's true

TheMuffinCoder

Unity is too bloated for it to work

DH.

It works

It's just that it takes too much to load even simple games :P

TheMuffinCoder

hence bloated :P

Chris McFarland

1:04 AM

cuz it has all these great features that you don't even bother using

TheMuffinCoder

like these awesome unity analytics amiright?

Chris McFarland

and networking
and lighting
and pathfinding
and animator system
and mecanim system

but can I disable those? nope

TheMuffinCoder

... I gotta implement networking for my game soon shudders

DH.

And all the physics stuff

"Hey but I'm using only simple, box colliders and..."
"NO, TAKE ALL OF THESE COOL PHYSICS MECHANICS AS WELL"

Chris McFarland

yeah it's got PhysX and Box2D

TheMuffinCoder

1:08 AM

wait it even bundles the 3D stuff for just 2D?

Chris McFarland

well, maybe it's smart when it compiles, maybe it knows not to include stuff that isn't referenced

but you can't flat out tell it to disable features

TheMuffinCoder

theres something strange with the xbone

It's turn off yet I feel heat radiating from it

Micro$oft, stop using my energy to spy on me

Chris McFarland

is your Xbox's settings set to have a fast boot?

cuz if it's fast boot I think it just idles

TheMuffinCoder

there's fast boot for xbox? o.O

whoa

Chris McFarland

yeah, under power saving options or something

TheMuffinCoder

1:12 AM

I think ps4 just got rekt

lol my xbox is literally a brick rn

Chris McFarland

rofl

TheMuffinCoder

havent turned it on for the past 2 weeks

Chris McFarland

my ps4 has been collecting dust for over a year

TheMuffinCoder

yet I want to use my ps4 but my brothers been using it nonstop 24/7

ouch poor ps4

It needs a caring home

Chris McFarland

it needs some games first

:D

I'm too much of a PC gamer

TheMuffinCoder

1:13 AM

ps4 dont listen to the meanie

Chris McFarland

I bought it for Destiny really to play with a friend

TheMuffinCoder

you got enough games for me

lol I got it without a reason

Chris McFarland

nice

TheMuffinCoder

I already had my xbox one at the time

But then arkham knight got announced and bam preordered one

Batman: Arkham Knight All Cutscenes (Game Movie) Full Story 1080p HD

►

Arkham knight was such a great game O.o

DH.

1:44 AM

Except they couldn't provide proper support

TheMuffinCoder

For pc yea

For ps4 perfect

lol it should had been just a ps4 exclusive because of how bad it ran on pc

DH.

They probably made the worst shaders ever because

Some people couldn't even get to the menu

Both ATI an Nvidia

TheMuffinCoder

#pcmasterraceproblems :P

DH.

Well, if there's someone to blame bad ports are only the devs

Nvidia is doing a great job keeping drivers updated

TheMuffinCoder

From what i remember reading, they gave the pc porting job to some other studio

which led to that bad quality

i.imgur.com/YKDjbf4.mp4

Finished my background wrapping! :D

Jon

1:53 AM

Nice. Try to get rid of the obvious seams

TheMuffinCoder

lol I gave up after 2 days of doing that o.O

Chris McFarland

background looks small

like the background tiles should be heaps bigger maybe

TheMuffinCoder

ooo I see

my original image is 2000x2000

i scaled it down to 600x600

wait this is regular size, is it still noticeable? (havent changed the tiles yet)

Chris McFarland

I see 6 images of the background, yeah it's noticeable :P

TheMuffinCoder

nice :3

lol let me fix that

TheMuffinCoder

2:09 AM

making gifs failed, file sizes were too big

Im using my 2000x2000px background textures now

The seams are still there, but they're way less common

Pip

It's not that hard to randomly generate seamless noise for backgrounds btw muffin

TheMuffinCoder

plz show me master

Pip

Uh I can provide you a github repo with a C# implementation

But it's not JS

TheMuffinCoder

C# -> Typescript literally looks the same

Im tired of trying so hard with noise, clouds, blurs and color burns in photoshop making my backgrounds

Pip

github.com/WardBenjamin/SimplexNoise

TheMuffinCoder

2:18 AM

Do you have any examples of its output?

Pip

Uhhhhh well you see here

Idk

It depends on how you filter it and what dimension you use

It has 1D, 2D, and 3D outputs

TheMuffinCoder

That might work

just gotta translate it to js o.O

Pip

Here's how you tile it: stackoverflow.com/questions/1313259/tiling-simplex-noise

TheMuffinCoder

o.O whoa

Pip

70

A: How do you generate tileable Perlin noise?

Here's one rather clever way that uses 4D Perlin noise. Basically, map the X coordinate of your pixel to a 2D circle, and the Y coordinate of your pixel to a second 2D circle, and place those two circles orthogonal to each other in 4D space. The resulting texture is tileable, has no obvious dist...

If you give me a little bit I can probably write up a 4d implementation so you can do that

TheMuffinCoder

2:21 AM

lol couldnt I do that in photoshop?

I'll try again tomorrow

I gotta be careful not to touch the brush tool :P

Pip

I mean you could do it in photoshop

TheMuffinCoder

lol I'll try

Pip

the advantage of using tilable noise is that it's random

TheMuffinCoder

Hopefully

wait random for every tile?

Pip

and you can generate whatever amount of it that you need

yeah

if you want

TheMuffinCoder

2:23 AM

wouldnt javascript choke doing that?

Pip

probably not if you only generated what you needed when you needed it

TheMuffinCoder

mmm

Jon

3:04 AM

I explain how to do tillable noise in my blog

Not Java though

Sie

3:32 AM

0

Q: Respawn not working properly upon scene reload. Why is this?

So I made a respawn function and the weird thing everything in the following script worked fine until today. Anyway what is supposed to happen is the script it supposed to load a saved checkpoint. However I need to reset the scene (and again this worked just fine last night which was odd...). Es...

Sie

4:42 AM

Man... I kind of feel sad. I looked the Steam Summer Sale and except for Braid nothing really interested me at all. I'm getting old...

prakhar londhe

6:06 AM

2

Q: Why aren't my pieces rotating on my chess board in Java?

I am developing chess game in Java using the Netbeans IDE. Instead of rotating the whole board at each move, I thought of changing position of the pieces themselves, while the board remains same. All my pieces and squares are JLabels and are in a JLayeredPane, with pieces being in top layer. All ...

java

can anyone take a look at this please

Chris McFarland

@Sie That's how I felt last Steam sale, didn't buy a single thing lol

Dunno about either of those two questions though sorry :(

user92578

7:26 AM

Good morning guys

Chris McFarland

Hello

user92578

7:39 AM

So I would need to decide whether to add text to the trailer

user92578

@prakharlondhe Why do you use i to index the WinitialLocation array?

user92578

Like I guess text would help clarifying stuff

user92578

But it's a minor distraction

Chris McFarland

if you want text, either overlay maybe top or bottom of screen
or have a couple seconds of text between clips (so that the user only has to focus their eyes on one thing at a time)

user92578

hmm yeah, but I don't really think someone is going to not click the yes button because I didn't explicitly say that in the video that the game involves awesome explosions

user92578

7:50 AM

@prakharlondhe And why are you looping six times?

Chris McFarland

8:08 AM

explosm.net/comics/4337

user92578

:D

Uri Popov

9:14 AM

Guys. Is there a way to pack existing sprites and textures into sheets and not mess up the references

user92578

No clue

NaCl

9:40 AM

Well, you need to update those references at least once if you pack those graphics together, I'm sure you can automate that if the process of packing them is automated itself

Uri Popov

found this option called Sprite packer. It packes them into atlases on build time

only about 25 more MB to shave off :D

Uri Popov

9:57 AM

fml I have to install quicktime to be able to import the into movie for the game

user92578

import what?

Uri Popov

intro* movie

prakhar londhe

It is because the size of both the arrays WinitialLocation and BinitialLocation, for now, is 6. Also the size of labels is 64 (for all the chess board squares).

@Tyyppi_77

user92578

But that doesn't make any sense

prakhar londhe

Why?

user215373

10:03 AM

hi

user92578

Why is it 6? What is the data there? 6 last positions? I mean what?

user92578

@Dr.ZOMBOOS Hi!

user215373

how are you

prakhar londhe

yes there are 6 last positions for 6 white pieces ( I know there are 12, but I am just experimenting with 6 distinct pieces for now)

user215373

do you play coc @Tyyppi_77

user92578

10:04 AM

Fine, polished my trailer this morning and now I'm procrastinating on buying a domain and the GL license

prakhar londhe

oh sorry ( there are 16 :P )

user92578

@Dr.ZOMBOOS I don't what coc is so I'll say No.

user92578

@prakharlondhe Why do the last positions matter?

user215373

clash of clans

user92578

I don't play it, but is there a question you wanted to ask?

user215373

10:06 AM

3

Q: Where did my clan go?

Something very screwed up and very unfortunate has happened. I was the leader of a clan with around 45 members and all of a sudden I noticed I was in no clan. I had no messages in my inbox. My clan castle is still full of troops and loot (as how I remember it should be). Is the game currently gli...

clash-of-clans

prakhar londhe

@Tyyppi_77 the pieces are redirected to their last positions, if someone dragged it to an illegal location..

user215373

i want to share this

user92578

@Dr.ZOMBOOS Why are you in the GDSE chat?

user215373

nope

user92578

@prakharlondhe Oh, al right

user215373

10:06 AM

invite me

user92578

Invite you where?

user92578

@prakharlondhe if(labels[j].getLocation().equals(WinitialLocation[i]))

user215373

gdse chat

user92578

What are you trying to accomplish with that line

user92578

@Dr.ZOMBOOS You are in the game development chat.

user215373

10:07 AM

nothing

user215373

bye

user92578

wtf just happened?

user215373

nothing

user92578

You shared almost a year old question on Gaming here?

user215373

bye

user92578

10:09 AM

please don't spam.

user215373

ok

user215373

sorry

prakhar londhe

I am trying to find out if there is any piece on any label, if found, switch the position of that piece, so that it looks like the board is reversed.

user215373

bye

user92578

@prakharlondhe but you are excluding a lot of positions here, aren't you?

prakhar londhe

10:11 AM

why?? I am doing that for all 64 squares and for all 6 (for now) pieces

user92578

those are initial positions?

user92578

Do the initial positions change?

prakhar londhe

No the initial positions change after a piece moves only

user92578

so initial location actually stores the current location of a piece?

prakhar londhe

yes...

user92578

10:19 AM

all right, I'm doing some renaming to clear things up

user92578

and currently only the recently moved piece swaps?

Uri Popov

@Tyyppi_77 I'm part of local game development group on facebook. Do you mind if I share your trailer there?

user92578

I don't mind that but the current version is not the final version, so I would much prefer if you were to do that when I put out the final version along with the Greenlight campaign.

Uri Popov

k

user92578

But that's really great from you to offer to do that and also ask me.

Uri Popov

10:21 AM

well I think your game is great and it deserves attention.

prakhar londhe

@Tyyppi_77 that was much earlier, now nothing shifts at all.. still if you can help with my current code, I could improve it somehow

@Tyyppi_77 can you share your game link... I wanna see that :D

user92578

@UriPopov thanks a lot, I really hope I can receive attention so help will be much appreciated once I launch the campaign

user92578

@prakharlondhe Here is the most recent trailer: youtube.com/watch?v=SaGre4zsDKc

user92578

I have a devblog at gunhero.surge.sh

user92578

And you can follow me on Twitter twitter.com/Tyyppi_77

Uri Popov

10:23 AM

@Tyyppi_77 btw have you thought of anti-piracy measures ?

user92578

I'll let Steam do it's thing

Pip

@ChrisMcFarland fantastic

user92578

@prakharlondhe have you done debugging with breakpoints?

user92578

Checking what executes, and what doesn't and why?

prakhar londhe

I have no idea how to do that

user92578

10:24 AM

What IDE do you use?

prakhar londhe

I am absolute beginner

Netbeans

user92578

Okay

prakhar londhe

which engine are you using?

@Tyyppi_77

Uri Popov

try clicking on the left of a line of code. A red dot should apear.

user92578

I have my own framework built ontop of SDL2, that's C++

user92578

10:25 AM

Or F9

Pip

SDL2 <3

user92578

Pip do you use Namecheap?

Pip

Yeah I do

Why?

user92578

And you like it?

user92578

I need to buy a domain too so that I don't have to share that surge.sh domain

user92578

10:27 AM

Namecheap looks nice and cheap

user92578

@prakharlondhe This is kind of a separate issue, but classes would make your task a lot easier

Chris McFarland

I use Namecheap, it's cheap enough

user92578

All this arrays are really messy

user92578

So I wrote a basic written description of the game while the trailer was rendering

user92578

I should probably go ask Dad and start buying stuff

Pip

10:29 AM

Namecheap is definitely cheaper than a lot of other options that I've found, and it's pretty nice

Uri Popov

ffs UNITY I installed quicktime just let me import the video

user92578

did you restart?

Uri Popov

yes

prakhar londhe

is there any seeming problem in my code??

user92578

the only problem I can come up with is the possibility that the initialLocations arrays don't store the values you think they store

user92578

10:38 AM

it's messy code as I said

Uri Popov

nope 3 reinstall and 3 restarts later and it still does not let me import a movie

Chris McFarland

what format/extension is the video?

Uri Popov

.mp4

Chris McFarland

maybe try converting it to something else?

Uri Popov

its a acceptable format according to the docs

unity just tells me I need QuickTime to be installed

maybe they mean something else than the player ?

nevermind

it started working all of a sudden

prakhar londhe

10:55 AM

@Tyyppi_77 they should.. the rest of the code is working perfectly... I mean all the moves are going good

user92578

but seriously, check with your breakpoints or even just by outputting stuff to console to see if anything executes

Pip

11:12 AM

ugh

I still can't get this working for some dumb reason

I'm sure it's dumb

prakhar londhe

thanks for help... I just changed my code a little bit. Instead of directly setting the pieces location, I updated the location arrays, and then updated their position using the arrays,... working nicely :D

Pip

FML it's a shader error

wow

good job me

Took me three days to figure that out

Now I have to figure out where and why it's erroring

Okay, missing a semi-colon

It's still not working, but the shader compiles

user92578

11:39 AM

@prakharlondhe nice!

user92578

make sure to post your solution to your question and accept it!

Pip

11:58 AM

Alright, I'm done for right now

I'll pick this up on.... day 4

TheMuffinCoder

12:09 PM

Boo!

You been spooked

Chris McFarland

12:21 PM

2spooky

Pip

Ikr

Jon

Shat my pants ffs

@almo Othello creator died today

Leggy7

scoured your slip?

Almo

@Jon didn't Reversi already exist?

Jon

Same fame is it not

Game

Almo

12:34 PM

yeah late 1800s

it's pretty close

like, the only difference is the starting config, right?

wikipedia lists them in the same article

Jon

weird..

nytimes.com/2016/06/26/world/asia/…

Almo

it was certainly a good choice for republication though

Jon

I guess he created the "board game" verison in the 70s

Gonna have to write othello as tribute now

Almo

I might still have my AI code laying around somewhere

he plays pretty well

my first C++ code though, so it's pretty bad (code-wise i mean) :)

Jon

oblige.sourceforge.net

PearsonArtPhoto

12:45 PM

Now I remember why I wasn't going to get anything done this week as far as my game goes...

user92578

?

Jon

real life?

Chris McFarland

the suspense is 2spooky :(

Jon

i did a lot more than I anticipated this week

still have a good 10 hours of level design ahead of me

Chris McFarland

Nice

user92578

12:52 PM

I'm starting to have a folder filled with stuff I need for Greenlight: Trailer, Thumbnail gif (that hopefully isn't too large), Screenshots, Written description

Chris McFarland

I'm currently trying to solve a bug for my room transitioner where it creates like 10 new rooms in under a couple of seconds instead of just creating 1 new room

user92578

lol

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