Game Development

Chris

12:01 AM

my friend's S3 mini, 480p, it is cramped but it works okay enough

I mean I could redo the high score board, ahh

Pip

I have found such a good song

Today's Listening: Partyt R Igng

Such an odd name, but so good

Chris

ah feck it I'll try redoing the scoreboard :D

Hjorthenify

Try the new gui stuff :P

Chris

like atm, bottom buttons over lap but mehhhh, on higher resolutions they don't overlap, they're transparent anyway haha

OMGtechy

can't tell

Hjorthenify

12:06 AM

... Its fine! Cant tell either

Chris

yeah it's good enough eh.

but yeah high score next

cuz

too wide, too tall

I ended up cheating with the menus recently, the right-panel text, that's the new UI.Text component, so I could use the text wrapping it has

rest is GUIText / GUITextures though still
/lazy

Hjorthenify

Chris did u make all the art?

Chris

yeah

Hjorthenify

Nice

SpartanDonut

This is a cool animation tip - reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/334d02/…

3

Chris

12:19 AM

aye

Almo

12:49 AM

@SpartanDonut so you're in a game; you playin another with wakka after, or should I wait?

SpartanDonut

no clue

just play some without me

Almo

haha ok

Chris

1:32 AM

alright that'll do, time to build and upload
need to submit new version to apple too, and do the steam thing, and drm-free versions
lalala

androidplusios.design

1:50 AM

i want to learn game development using directx which one should buy .... frank luna's directx 11 version or 12? If i buy 12 will it cover later versions as well or basic history sort of thing.

http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Programming-DirectX-Computer-Science/dp/1942270062

http://www.amazon.in/Introduction-3D-Game-Programming-Directx/dp/1936420228

hey if one has played watch dogs...i want to ask a simple question how all cameras of city are connected to each other and basically how we can hack any electronic device with just camera? What algorithm they have used?

Almo

have you done any game dev yet?

SpartanDonut

2:10 AM

@Almo ready freddy

Almo

ok

@SpartanDonut invited

androidplusios.design

@Almo no i am starting with it

Almo

Let me recommend you do not start with DirectX game dev

there are a ton of things you need to know before you start worrying about all that stuff

SpartanDonut

Do you want to learn DirectX or do you want to make games?

androidplusios.design

and i have been told by game devs that don't cram the Directx syntax use this book

SpartanDonut

2:11 AM

Ultimate question here

androidplusios.design

he explained everything with maths logics

Almo

@androidplusios.design I've been a professional game programmer since 2000 and I don't know one bit of DirectX.

androidplusios.design

But i am good with maths: vector, and other stuff. Also i am confortable with c++

Almo

You're better off learning the fundamentals of game architecture and programming before you deal with 3d stuff

like how game loops work, how to organize your data, how to get input from the user, how to deal with framerate

you want all these things understood before you worry about 3d collision detection and stuff like that

androidplusios.design

I have done game development in python using pygame

Icy Defiance

2:14 AM

Spartan's question is the important thing here

Almo

you said a minute ago you were "starting with it"

Icy Defiance

if you want to make a game framework or other gamedev tools, learning directx is great. if you want to make a game...don't bother with directx.

Almo

^

androidplusios.design

@Almo but that's just cramming the syntax it good a pirated version of this book to get glance over it ..... it has explained everything so well that. I feel like purchasing it. What do you suggest?

Almo

I suggest ignoring DirectX

like if you want to make a 3d game, get Unity's personal version and make one.

or Unreal if you want a more stout but harder-to-learn engine.

SpartanDonut

2:16 AM

I really need to learn Unreal xD

androidplusios.design

@IcyDefiance yes thats what i want to do low level work...not every prefer low level details coz its generally hard and time consuming so want to do that

Icy Defiance

I've spent a lot of time with OpenGL because I like making tools. I like optimizing a single class for 3 weeks and stupid shit like that. But I've spent well over a year making a game framework and it's barely good enough to make solitaire with.

androidplusios.design

@Almo i am not good with C sharp and javascript...only use javascript for web development(DOM)

Icy Defiance

when you're that low level everything takes a lot of work

Almo

if you want to make a game and start with DirectX, you won't make a game

if you know C++, working with C# will be cake

Icy Defiance

2:17 AM

you're not gonna do the job better than Unity either even if you put half a decade into it

Almo

it's really not hard.

SpartanDonut

I love cake

androidplusios.design

@Almo if some one want to develop game framework or other gamedev tools then its great? May be getting a job at unity and not develop games :)

Almo

2:40 AM

well i still wouldn't go for directx

ties you to microsoft

androidplusios.design

yaa @Almo that's what i wanted to say better support :)

Almo

2:58 AM

@androidplusios.design we asked you and you didn't tell us which you were interested in. it's up to you to give us the info we need to give you advice

androidplusios.design

but I told you :( I want to develop game engines and at the same time i want to develop game( just for fun...part time )

http://www.microsoftvirtualacademy.com/training-courses/introduction-to-c-and-directx-game-development-jump-start

@Almo

Almo

@androidplusios.design that's not what I saw. I saw spartan ask you which you wanted to do, and I see no answer to that question

androidplusios.design

I didn't get it what do you mean by which? Do you you want me to pick one exact thing? b/w game development or engine designer ? :(

are you there? @almo

Almo

Spartan's question was "do you want to make a game or an engine" because if you want to make a game, don't start with DirectX because you don't need to use DirectX to make a game.

in fact, if you try, you'll get bogged down in 3d shit and never make a game

if you want to make an engine or a tool, then maybe it makes sense, but I'd still say starting with DirectX is not the best idea, since it ties you to microsoft.

that's it really

@SpartanDonut today's simple Pathery... seems obvious, but is not.

androidplusios.design

ok I want to make game engines people say don't use directx ....use openGL

but i asked one of the directx developer teaching at microsoft virtual academy and he told me that both got there own strengths and weakness. Also, I see almost every good game for pc is written in directx.......from open world grand theft auto games to car racing gamers i.e. nfs . They choose directx technology

@almo

that's enough to attack a noob to start learning directx instead of opengl

atlease he will be programming for something that people actually se

se * use

Almo

3:14 AM

@androidplusios.design The biggest game in the world is League of Legends, and I don't think it uses DirectX.

EVE-Online is the MMO with the largest population in one universe, and they're stuck using Transgaming's Cider tech to get on Mac because it's built with DirectX.

there are other considerations

since OpenGL works across platforms, it's less headaches if your engine is to be cross-platform

given Unity and Unreal are crossplatform, it's kind of a given that devs expect engines to be so.

tieing yourself to MS makes this harder

androidplusios.design

also OpenGL is just for graphics and directx packs everything into one....audio & graphics.

Almo

ok, you're deterimined to use DirectX. Go ahead.

androidplusios.design

no you suggest me....i would pick what you say but give some solid point

Chris

if you wanna learn DirectX, learn DirectX.
if you wanna use an existing engine like Unity or Unreal, do that.
if you eventually want to make your own engine, go for it, lots to learn and try

androidplusios.design

@Chris any suggestion from you side besides just lots of if conditions ... personnel

Chris

3:23 AM

well, my gamedev experience is with Unity. I never desired to learn engine dev, wasn't (and still isn't) my idea of how I want to spend my time with life :p

androidplusios.design

how much time does it take for a noob to learn unity create his/her first game?

I know there are very good tutorials for it unity's site

Chris

I toyed with Unity over two years, prototyping, learning.
then spent one more year and made a game, got on Steam, and right now finishing up an iOS and Android version

now, if I were to try and create an engine instead of making a game, I'd probably have given up

androidplusios.design

can you give me link to you game ?

Chris

store.steampowered.com/app/340520

androidplusios.design

@Chris

that game is really good

nicely done music

Chris

3:26 AM

so I guess with your original question, you want to learn DirectX for game development, I read it as learning engine development, not so much game development. I mean, you'll get there if you stick with it, sure, not impossible, just gotta check with yourself what your goals are :)

hah thank you

androidplusios.design

what language you choose ? Javascript or C#

?

Chris

it's done with UnityScript mostly, though looking back I wish I'd learned C# from the start

androidplusios.design

can i choose javascript. I also develop websites as a hobby thing. I would not have to learn lot of new syntax if I choose javascript

Chris

you can choose UnityScript, yeah, that's how I got into it tbh. lots of web/javascript experience, so it felt right at home.
however, UnityScript compiles really slowly compared to C#, cuts down on my dev and testing time, sucks

but..... still works, just compiles slower than C# is all

androidplusios.design

you game is very nice in terms of graphics and sound....you created all that on your own? :(

Chris

3:31 AM

thanks, yep, all me

androidplusios.design

I was thinking of game racing....basically cart racing game in some indian village. What do you think? Its that nice idea? Basically India is a nice location to develop game.....Far Cry 4 did that. There's a lot of weird things people haven't seen about India which would attract gamers :)

Chris

go for it

androidplusios.design

:)

Chris

the biggest piece of advice is probably to watch out for analysis paralysis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_paralysis
stalling yourself, getting caught up in over-thinking and over-worrying about your plans of action

if you come up with an idea, it's a good idea until proven otherwise, and the only way to find that out is to implement it really. even if you don't stick with it or keep it in the end, you'll learn from the experience

Icy Defiance

3:48 AM

second biggest piece of advice (in my opinion) is to start high level and work down

even if you want to make an engine, you need to know how other engines work first, so you know what to make

Chris

yay, Nintendo sent me a double CD set of Smash Bros music. my optical drive has a purpose

Blue Bug

6:39 AM

5

Chris

hehe nice

Blue Bug

:D ty man.

Christoph

6:58 AM

morning

Blue Bug

ning!

Christoph

@BlueBug that looks like fun!

Blue Bug

"Chicken Hunt" it is! :D Coming soon late 2015 . Ty man <3

Christoph

but the chicken hunt you, it seems

Blue Bug

aye.. .and I got killed by chicken at the end.

Christoph

7:06 AM

what's the ultimate goal?

Blue Bug

the ultimate goal is to die, like Tetris it gets more difficult, is what I have in my mind.

Christoph

that animated gif is mesmerizing really...

any weapon upgrades or something like an egg (shield)?

Blue Bug

aye aye, weapon upgrades do exist. But upgrades are mostly temporary, they have certain "rounds" to fire (something like MetalGearSlug).

or... you could have permanent upgrades, like damage upgrade... Just like in original BoI (this, I still can't decide)

Christoph

Keep it up! Try different approaches to altering the gameplay until it feels right. Might also be fun with sokoban-like movable obstacles

Blue Bug

:D aye! ty for the cheer.

Christoph

7:14 AM

I could look at that all day

Blue Bug

you will have a free copy of this game once it's done! free for all the people on GDSE. freeeeeee~eeee (but there will be crystals to purchase)

Christoph

what platform?

Blue Bug

Android.

Christoph

perfect

already have a price in mind for non-gdse people?

Blue Bug

actually... I was thinking of having just for free.

Have you played Crossy Road? @Christoph The game lets you earn in-game currency by watching ad. And the items you purchase are purely cosmetic.

Christoph

7:27 AM

no haven't played it

Blue Bug

GDSE people will be given code that they can use to unlock 100 Cakes(name of the currency in my game)

100 Cakes will get you a nice particle following cosmetic hat. The game will take a picture of your character the moment your character dies then ask you to upload it on facebook to share.

You will be able to show off to your friends how shiny and cool your particle hat is ; )

Hjorthenify

8:05 AM

@Chris What if the camera was following the player slowly? such as it would only move if the player neared the edge of the screen :P

Chris

nah I'm done trying that

Hjorthenify

Alright :)

Lokkij

9:28 AM

I'm still looking for an answer to this (poorly worded) question:

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Q: Calculations for a camera system

I am building an interactive application in Starling for which a camera system is required. Since there is no existing camera system in flash and the addons for starling do not meet our requirements, I am writing my own. Basically, it moves and scales all assets depending on the position of the c...

Kevin van der Velden

9:42 AM

Faking 3D from 2D sprites or something?

Lokkij

10:01 AM

Kinda, yeah

Well not really

Parallax 'n stuff

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