Game Development

12:00 AM

http://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/AudioSource.html
>Sets how much this AudioSource is affected by 3D spatialisation calculations (attenuation, doppler etc). 0.0 makes the sound full 2D, 1.0 makes it full 3D.

Pip

ah, thanks

Chris

assuming the music, you want it to be played no matter where the camera is and no matter where the audiosource is, 2D means it'll just play

3D means it takes into account where the source and listener is positioned

like a real-world sound emitting from somewhere

Hjorthenify

Unity is C# right?

Pip

or US or Boo, but most people use C#

Chris

yes you can code scripts with C# for Unity

don't use UnityScript or Boo, compiles slow as shit

Hjorthenify

12:01 AM

To what extend is it free?

Chris

unity3d.com/get-unity

Pip

still not working :/

Chris

unity3d.com/unity/faq

Hjorthenify

Nice. How is it to make 2D games?

Chris

when you make a new project, select the 2D mode
and away you go

Hjorthenify

12:04 AM

hmm

I'm REALLY considering moving game engine AGAIN

Chris

try it

and keep trying until you find what you're looking for

Pip

I think I'm content with Unity for now imo

Hjorthenify

Because there is so many bugs in godot.. I liked the idea of it having a C++ backend, but I recently discovered that it's not module based but rather you have to compile the whole godot engine and pray that you didn't make any errors.

Chris

once I found Unity I stopped looking

Hjorthenify

Which takes about 5-10 minutes

Chris

12:06 AM

that sounds unproductive and frustrating

Hjorthenify

I mean right now I'm trying to fix a bug where the trigger property of a shape isn't registering...

Pip

@Chris are Audio Mixers required in U5?

Chris

@Pip I have not touched them

Pip

hmmmm

Hjorthenify

Oh wow... Now I forced the property through the scripting language and its still colliding -.-

I'll give unity a try

Pip

12:07 AM

Can't figure this out... I just deleted all audio stuff and recreated it, all defaults. Didn't work

Chris

@Pip try making an empty scene and just experiment?

Hjorthenify

Also the resources on godot are scarce which leads to a lot of code reading

Pip

I wonder if it's a me issue

yeah, I will

wait wut it works if I take my headphones off :/

Chris

@Hjorthenify Unity's Scripting API manual is super great, there's also a layman's manual for an overview of things, honestly any Google search like unity3d how to do X will probably show you how to do what you want

Pip

I guess it was a me problem then

Hjorthenify

12:09 AM

gotta love that 12mbps download of Unity :D

Pip

The Scripting API docs and manual are amazing

:D

Hjorthenify

@Chris Nice. I gotta learn C# tho, but coming from C and C++ that shouldn't be a problem

Pip

It took me maybe 10 minutes to download and install U5 (I was using U4 and just ported my project)

Chris

yeah it's that sort of instant searchable knowledge that helps you make things happen faster

Hjorthenify

Hell I taught myself the python-based GD script(which is what godot used)

Pip

12:10 AM

Yeah, you might have to learn about a few new features but C# isn't too different

Hjorthenify

It's more user-friendly, right?

A little

compared to..?

Nose job.

lol

Super frustrated because (using Unity 5) my DontDestroy script doesn't work anymore :/

Hjorthenify

12:12 AM

@Chris C++
Also how did you make the tilemap in godot?

Chris

@Pip post teh codes

@Hjorthenify I've never used C++ so can't comment

Hjorthenify

Ah :P

Pip

oh wait, I'm an idiot.... I never actually rewrote it when I lost that stuff.... wow. Good job Pip.

Hjorthenify

@AidanMueller Looks like a regular guy and a boxer :D

@Chris How did you make the tilemap in Tallowmere?

Pip

C# is more user friendly imo. Properties are amazing. Garbage collection. Pointers are available but almost never used (I have never seen them nor ever seen them used except in examples.).

Aidan Mueller

12:14 AM

Lower delay.

Hjorthenify

GARBAGE COLLETION Yep it just became MUCH easier :D

Chris

@Hjorthenify each tile is a Sprite, and positioned in the world. Think I ended up making each tile be 3 units wide and tall

Hjorthenify

Is it alligned to a grid?

Ah I found this: unity3d.com/learn/tutorials/projects/2d-roguelike

I guess I'll do that before heading to bed

Pip

@Hjorthenify YES

Chris

no grid per se, just positioned side by side

Pip

12:15 AM

GC is super nice.... except when it lags out Unity because it collects 4.5 MB at a time :/

Was my fault though

Hjorthenify

@Pip I just stopped reading the list after you pointed out the GC.... :P

Chris

lol yeah the GC likes to empty itself unpredictably, can cause a stutter when you don't want it to

Pip

yeah

Hjorthenify

Oh the GC in a modded minecraft game... See that's bad.

Seeing your game using almost 90% of the 2GB RAM dedicated to it and then drop down to about 50% while your screen freezes...

Pip

lol

The Java GC is even more screwy than the C# one

Hjorthenify

12:17 AM

Oh yeah?

yeah

How come?

it just is

:P

(In my experience)

12:19 AM

How fast does a game in godot run when you want to test something, say after you press run.

Chris

godot? or you asking about unity

Pip

no idea, never used it

Unity is decent

Hjorthenify

Unity

Sorry xD

Pip

Like 1-2 seconds max

Hjorthenify

Nice. Godot was instant until I compiled the source myself(latest off. build was from december)

Chris

12:20 AM

so you click the Play button in the editor, and it starts yeah within 2 seconds
if you have a lot of scripts sometimes it can a few seconds to compile before playing

Hjorthenify

Then it opened some wierd debugger trying to connect to god knows what for 5 seconds

Nice

I remembered I downloaded unity when I was 14

Oooo it's installed

Also I dont regonize it being free back then

nice

Ahh cool

my game, it's just 2D sprites in a 3D space, along the 0 z axis usually. Unity's 2D physics just keep the physics 2D

Hjorthenify

12:25 AM

Why is your character dropping his clothes? :P

Pip

Hahahhaha

They're +z to him, it's a perspective thing

it'd look find in 2D

Chris

clothes are rendered on top, not sticking to the z axis for layering troubleshooting haha

Hjorthenify

Ahh I see haha

Also any particular reason why my Unity is running dead slow?

Chris

without being in Play mode?

maybe restart unity or computer

Hjorthenify

seems it was just the questioniare and logging in that was lagging

Also what is the asset package for when creating a new project?

Pip

12:28 AM

I never use any of them

they're just stuff bundled with Unity that you can use

Chris

might be for choosing what packages to import into your project, but yeah all optional

Hjorthenify

I see

Oh now I know why I was lagging. Youtube decided to show me the tutorial in 1080p

Pip

nice

Hjorthenify

Where do I find the sprite renderer window?

Manual doesn't say

Chris

the Scene tab lets you view everything in the game world

Pip

12:37 AM

yep

Chris

so if you added a sprite to the Hierarchy, clicked the Scene tab, then double-clicked the Sprite in the Hierarchy, it'll move the Scene's camera to the Sprite so you can view it

Hjorthenify

All it contains is Main Camera

Pip

then add a sprite

:D

Hjorthenify

Oh wait

Chris

click and drag the sprite from the Project tab to either the Scene tab/view, or drag it to the Hierarchy tab

make sure to save your scene often too, just incase it crashes

Hjorthenify

12:40 AM

But it should be there. I downloaded this: assetstore.unity3d.com/en/#!/content/29825

I need to locate and open the scene, right?

Chris

assuming that's a .unitypackage

Hjorthenify

Oh yes.. Well good tutorial that doesn't say you gotta do that first -.-

Pip

Watch the video series that goes with that project @Hjorthenify

Chris

if you double click it it should prompt you to import a bunch of files

Hjorthenify

I am but he didn't say anything about opening the project

Pip

12:42 AM

kk

Chris

once the files are imported, find the scene file (ending in .unity)

and open it

Hjorthenify

Yeah i'm back on track now. Unity didn't show the scene under assets tho :/

Soo 12 videos which are roughtly 10 min long... It's gonna be 5 am before I finish these xD

Chris

yeah I'm not a fan of video tutorials lol

Hjorthenify

Me neither...

They should just add a transcript

Pip

Eyy my transition now compensates for moving cameras

noice

Noice, I'm caught up with when I lost code, and have improved pathfinding by >9000%. Time to increment minor version number again and add a new feature!

Hjorthenify

12:51 AM

Okay so now the tutor pressed play and an animation is playing, but not on my end.. never on my end -.-

Pip

:(

Link incoming for newest build (on Google Drive since server is down for some reason and I'm not home to fix until a week from today)

Hjorthenify

How do I know whats inside the camera's field of view?

Pip

uh

press play and see? There's a couple options to play with (Camera z distance, etc)

Hjorthenify

play is black :(

Chris

if you go into Scene mode

toggle the 2D button beneath the Scene tab

double-click your Camera in the Hierarchy, and you should see an outline of the area the camera covers

Hjorthenify

12:59 AM

That area is HUGE

I think

Chris

and then figure out why things aren't showing, are they too far or behind, or the camera just isn't positioned correctly

Hjorthenify

Well then it is the animation not playing which is the problem

No.. I just added a reg. sprite to the player thingy and still nothing... gah

Culling is set to everything.. and still -.-

Chris

I haven't really used the Animation stuff so I won't be much help

Hjorthenify

Viewport rect is 1x1 is that good enough?

Chris

yep, means it'll stretch with the Game's tab size (eg take up the whole Screen)

Hjorthenify

1:05 AM

Ah.. how do I know which camera is in use?

Chris

there's always one camera tagged with MainCamera

and then other cameras, there's the Depth var that controls their layer order

Hjorthenify

That's the one -.-

Why wont this work D:

Chris

if the tutorial is too much, just make a new empty project or scene

learn at your own pace

Hjorthenify

The img is there just click the link

It is not too much, but the dude just rushes :P

And I would have to get the camera to work anyways

Chris

if you drag a new Sprite onto the scene, does that show up?

just to rule it out

Hjorthenify

1:10 AM

Yes

So it is not the camera...

Chris

does the Animator need an Avatar? (I have no idea what that is)

Hjorthenify

Tut guy doesn't have one

Chris

does it show up when you click Play? the play triangle button

Hjorthenify

Fixed it

Somehow the z-order was sat to -10 and I am sure I didn't do it -.-

Same with the next animation I added. That too was put in z=-10

Pip

@Hjorthenify use the chat upload thing please, says "Image not found" atm

If you click it works fine

Hjorthenify

1:19 AM

Yeah

Pip

1:33 AM

Download link! Version 0.2.5.1 (Pre-alpha): drive.google.com/file/d/0B1R8O3E_hQmod3lpdUtWSWlDbXM/…

Hjorthenify

@Chris I just noticed that the shadow surrounding your map isn't a part of a tile. What is it then?

Chris

extra sprites
that don't really need to be there lol

Hjorthenify

Ahh

Chris

I think every block just has those shadow sprites regardless

should probably code a check

Pip

lol you could probably cull them on scene enter pretty easily

Chris

1:35 AM

I think the current code just checks to see if there's an adjacent block, but doesn't check to see if there's a background wall sprite or not, or if there's nothing at all

Hjorthenify

Hmm I want more of a tilemap editor, but it seems you have to pay for those

Because my tiles are much smaller

Chris

make your own editor!

Hjorthenify

Five minutes ago I couldn't even show a single sprite on the screen and now you want me to make my own editor? :P

Chris

well either that, or find a free one, or pay up :p

Almo

@Hjorthenify yes of course

;)

Pip

1:38 AM

Holy shit.

theverge.com/2015/3/15/8218495/…

Hjorthenify

YES:
https://www.assetstore.unity3d.com/en/#!/content/9702

Chris

>The inventor of the Segway is also joining the board of advisors
hah

Pip

Lol

Wait a sec... holy shit... he's the guy who started FIRST as well

lol

Chris

if I keep lifting weights during my compile times, I'll be fit before you know it

up down, up down

Pip

:D

Hjorthenify

1:43 AM

I DO THAT TOO!

:D

And I thought I was being wierd, lol

Almo

that's a really good idea chris

Chris

might as well try to be productive in other ways too heh
a positive spin on a negative event

Almo

:)

Hjorthenify

I have this flash-card app I use to study if I know something is gonna take a while

Pip

Hmmm what's the next feature

Chris

1:47 AM

70 seconds is too short of an amount of time to concentrate on much

it's like 30 secs on my Windows machine, but this iOS stuff with my Mac, 70 seconds in the Unity editor, gah

Hjorthenify

It doesn't seem that the tiler editor is compaitable :\

Chris

decided to add some more mobile icons at the bottom to bring up the different stuff

Hjorthenify

But.. I liked the shadows D:

And good idea

Pip

The shadows on the outside are nice, I would say only scrap the ones covered by other stuff @Chris

Hjorthenify

Fuck this Imma do as Chris said and make my own

Pip

1:53 AM

:D

It's not super hard

Hjorthenify

How do I remove an asset?

Pip

Just a bit time-consuming, but then you can reuse it infinitely

Hjorthenify

I tried deleting it, but didnt work

Pip

just right click->select delete

Hjorthenify

Huh apparently I had to do that twice

Nope

It installed itself again

Pip

1:58 AM

oh, you want to remove the package?

Hjorthenify

Yes

Pip

uh

Don't know then, sorry

Hjorthenify

Managed to remove it.. Was much harder than expected

Pip

cool

Pip

2:29 AM

Hm. This is my first time using a do {} while(); loop. I kind of like it.

Caravans work!

Pip

2:50 AM

crappy gif :/

It looks a lot better when it runs at 60 fps

anyhow, night all. Heading to bed.

MLM

@Pip night

Dave

any one know a decent article on how to simplify the amount of points in a set of paths to as minimal as possible?

involving user constructed paths

MLM

@Dave Ramer–Douglas–Peucker algorithm

Dave

@MLM Thank you !

so glad it has a name too

easier to ask for help in future

MLM

@Dave consider: stackoverflow.com/q/7980586/796832

Dave

2:54 AM

hm thats for a curve mind

mines for straight lines and crossing paths

MLM

Curve aproximated by points though which means straight lines

Aidan Mueller

6:13 AM

I designed this gear in FreeCAD and rendered it in blender.

SpartanDonut

well look at that

Chris

cool

was it easy to get that sort of shape/design going in FreeCAD?

Aidan Mueller

@Chris Yes. There is this thing that generates a gear shape.

Chris

nice

Aidan Mueller

I then used the swoop tool and used a helix as the path to make it a helical gear.

I wish freecad didn't crash so much.

It wouldn't take to much to turn freecad into a nice program.

I'm going to try rendering it again with 3D printer layering simulation.

Chris

6:36 AM

make your own vehicle :D

Aidan Mueller

@Chris I'm too dumb to make a vehicle :/

Mutch95

i've been rendering this water simulation in blender for more than 24 hours 0.0

Aidan Mueller

I would try but nothing comes out.

@Mutch95 Cycles?

Mutch95

yes

Aidan Mueller

That better be an epic sim.

Mutch95

6:46 AM

rendering at 1500

it's not really

lol

Aidan Mueller

Wow.

I rendered the gear at 2000.

Didn't see how long it took.

I'm guessing 20 - 30 min.

SpartanDonut

@Mutch95 animation or still image?

Mutch95

animation

SpartanDonut

well there ya go

Mutch95

each frame takes about 17 minutes

SpartanDonut

6:47 AM

how long is it?

Mutch95

111 frames

Aidan Mueller

You should have made something cool with it. Like a fountain in a park.

@Mutch95 Did you see my sculpt?

Mutch95

idk the wheel?

and I was just testing the animation

lol didn't know it'd take this long :p

Aidan Mueller

@Mutch95 i.stack.imgur.com/zlk4Q.gif

Mutch95

took me 24 hours to bake the water haha

pretty nice I like it :D

Aidan Mueller

6:50 AM

The longer nose version is the latest.

Mutch95

how long has it taken you?

Aidan Mueller

18 minutes into the render and the SSS part of it is done.

Mutch95

i have no clue how textures work ;p

so i don't try anything other than low poly

which white frankly I'm not very good at

Aidan Mueller

@Mutch95 I just work on it whenever. It's actually a bit relaxing. I really don't know though. Total work time is probably like 2 hours. I honestly don't think that that is a really good guess though :P

@Mutch95 "White frankly"?

Mutch95

it's pleasing to my eyes

Quite*

Aidan Mueller

6:52 AM

:D

White frankly, I knew what you meaned.

Mutch95

oh good :p

Aidan Mueller

@Mutch95 You should totally try sculpting. I surprised myself at how good I was at it :D

It's really easy.

JUST MAKE SURE YOU USE DYNAMIC TOPOLOGY!

Dynamic topo makes things really easy and fun.

Mutch95

i really want to be able to do this

Aidan Mueller

:O

Mutch95

it'd be really pleasing for an adventure game

Aidan Mueller

6:55 AM

@Mutch95 You should learn high poly then. That looks like a decimated high poly model.

SpartanDonut

I wouldn't know where to begin with low poly water but the terrain wouldn't be too difficult to model out yourself

Unless you are obsessed with procedurally doing things like so many people are

Aidan Mueller

But then again some of that stuff does look modeled.

Mutch95

of course it is

SpartanDonut

No clue myself

Aidan Mueller

But I still think that most of it is just decimated.

The water definitely is.

@Mutch95 You should try modeling something like that.

Even if you fail.

SpartanDonut

6:57 AM

Failing is learning

Mutch95

i wouldn't know how

SpartanDonut

Does blender include high poly sculpting these days or is there another tool for that?

Aidan Mueller

How to fail?

Easy you just screw up big time.

@SpartanDonut It has dynamic topology.

SpartanDonut

No clue what that means lol

Aidan Mueller

I am guessing the answer would be yes.

SpartanDonut

6:59 AM

righto

Aidan Mueller

@SpartanDonut The topology changes as you sculpt.

SpartanDonut

ah alright

Aidan Mueller

You draw on a face and it creates new polys in that area without you noticing.

You have to enable it though.

Just one button click though.

Mutch95

well i cannot model when rendering sooo

Aidan Mueller

~27 minutes.

@Mutch95 If you enlarge this one, you will see where the 3D printer "made new layers".

Mutch95

7:02 AM

yes I saw in the cross :D

and it's kind of translucent too

Aidan Mueller

@Mutch95 Not as translucent as this.

Not sure why it changed.

Although I think it's the fault of the top face.

Mutch95

because it's more solid in the centre ? but the edges are still letting some light through

Aidan Mueller

Well I need to go to bed. See ya!

@Mutch95 BTW it isn't more solid in the center. I just created a bump map based on the z axis.

Mutch95

oh okay

anyways

night have a good one

Aidan Mueller

@Mutch95 I will go now, but here is the nodes that I used if you want to learn.

The bumps were added by the stuff in the left half.

Mutch95

7:06 AM

yes i would love to

Aidan Mueller

Now, goodnight for realzies.

o/

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