Game Development

10:00 PM

@androidmaster MonoGame is C#

@MickLH Oh yeah.. derp.. if I use delta time I guess I could just put it into the render loop. that runs on animation frame

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Damn silly nonfunctioning autoscroll!

Noctrine

@SpartanDonut Box-sizing CSS property

androidmaster

@Lasse I though it was like java which comes with swing and you can make any 2D game just with that

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

throws a hissy fit

Lasse

10:00 PM

@androidmaster it's not really hard

Hjorthenify

Isnt C# easier than C++ and C?

Lasse

monogame is open source

Hjorthenify

(never done C# so I wouldn't know)

Lasse

yes, C# is easier than c++ and C

in general

Jon

monogame is a open source port of XNA

Hjorthenify

10:01 PM

I thought so.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Doesn't mean C# isn't as powerful though.

SpartanDonut

@Noctrine Ah I think I've only used that once so I forgot. Awesome you figured it out

Evan

C# has less pitfalls, hidden unexpected behavior, and old school complexities

androidmaster

@Lasse Nvm than, I'' stick with java than

SpartanDonut

I like to know the solutions to odd problems so its another thing to throw in the toolbelt for when I might run into something similar

Lasse

10:01 PM

@androidmaster that's not a very good reason to stick with java instead of going C# :(

Evan

It does have some modern programming concepts that C++ is trying to adopt though, and those can be more abstract and generic

ClassicThunder

Java is practically a sub set of C#

Evan

C++, rockin those lambdas

Lasse

@ClassicThunder wat

Lokkij

@androidmaster Hey, looking at your needs, I'd seriously consider using Unity. It's an easy to use game engine, and you seem like the kind of person who needs to get something running to stay motivated. Otherwise, please just pick something and stay with it, instead of considering all kinds of wildy different options from moment to moment.

androidmaster

10:02 PM

@Lasse And, I can develope for android still... so I'll learn C/C++ and not C# thanks anyway

Jon

C# only exists because Sun refused to sell Java to microsoft.

androidmaster

@Jon Which was good? or bad?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

XNA and MonoGame are both very easy to get started with.

ClassicThunder

@Lasse In terms of syntax and capabilities Java is practically a sub set of C#.

MickLH

@Evan Sounds like a scary future

Evan

10:03 PM

It's already here

Hjorthenify

[]() { std::cout << "Yeaaaaaaaaah"; };

androidmaster

@Lokkij Oh i did, am staying with java

I was looking for faster solution/ more native

Lasse

@androidmaster you can develop to android with C# using xamarin

Jon

@androidmaster just code... code like the wind!!

MickLH

@Evan I still write C with Classes ;)

androidmaster

10:03 PM

@MickLH But i though classes were only for C++

Jon

C supports classes?

Hjorthenify

Since when?

MickLH

Since C with classes.

Lokkij

@androidmaster In that case, just open up your preferred IDE and code a game.

MickLH

lol

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

10:04 PM

@androidmaster, I agree with Jon, don't both choosing language, just pick one you like and use it. :)

Lasse

@androidmaster java has classes too, as do PHP and several other languages

Evan

Microsoft has started to adopt more modern C++ implementations with their Windows 8, and Xbox One development libraries

androidmaster

Is it a C troll?

Evan

C with classes

androidmaster

I never heard of thoses

Evan

10:04 PM

You use C interfaces for better cross module support

your implementation is hidden, and class based

OMGtechy

Hello there folks!

SpartanDonut

There he is!

androidmaster

@Lokkij I did, I have like 6000 lines of a working game for android without using any other libraries than the google anddroid sdk

Am using today as a day to gather knownledge'

than tomorrow its coding day

Lasse

@androidmaster is it on google play?

Lokkij

@androidmaster Why are you asking about things like Raspberry Pi and C# then?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

10:05 PM

I wrote and released a game for Android in less than a week, using nothing but the core libraries that comes with the Android SDKs

androidmaster

no am 15 I cant publish anything

MickLH

C

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William 'MindWorX' Mariager

It was fun

androidmaster

@Lokkij Today is gathering info day

MickLH

"It was developed by Bjarne Stroustrup starting in 1979 at Bell Labs, C++ was originally named C with Classes, adding object-oriented features, such as classes, and other enhancements to the C programming language."

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

10:06 PM

I wish I could force myself like that daily.

Jon

pfffffffffft

Lasse

@androidmaster @hasherr is 16 and he did publish in google play

androidmaster

@Lasse How? AND whats the name of the app

hasherr

Disregard your age, it will only hold you back.

androidmaster

@hasherr But I would be breaking the rules...

Lokkij

10:06 PM

@androidmaster It seems a bit late to ask about different languages/frameworks after coding 6000 lines

hasherr

@androidmaster What rule would you be breaking?

androidmaster

@Lokkij and i have a highly optimized spritesheet of 140 sprites

@hasherr google play terms, since you need a credit card to sign up

OMGtechy

Who here works in game development professionally?

hasherr

@androidmaster Use your parents'

androidmaster

I though everyone here were indie developers?

MickLH

10:07 PM

No

SpartanDonut

Not everyone

Evan

Nope

Lasse

@Lokkij 6000. it's not even over 9000. I've wrote like millions of lines of code and I'm still looking for new libs and languages

androidmaster

@hasherr My mother doesnt even know how to open the browser

Jon

Alex is pro

Lasse

10:08 PM

@Jon was, he got banned

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@androidmaster We even have a developer from ArenaNET in here, who worked on Guild Wars 2. :)

hasherr

@Lasse What???

Vaughan Hilts

We've got quite the party in here on a friday. :)

Lokkij

@Lasse Well sure, but as a beginner, 6000 is quite a lot

OMGtechy

Interesting, I thought there would be a few at least

hasherr

10:08 PM

@androidmaster Take the time to explain to her what you're doing

Lasse

like, permanently

MickLH

@androidmaster The guy who makes halo and doesn't afraid of anything goes on here

hasherr

Show her you really want this

Jon

@Lasse eh?

Oliver Schöning

Who got banned? Which Alex ?

hasherr

10:09 PM

@Lasse WTF???

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@VaughanHilts Yeah, weekends usually means less activity. It's odd.

Jon

what for?

androidmaster

@Lasse Hey I havent work on it much since last summer I learned java and javascript and got 1000 done and then all throughout the school year I havent had time to increase it

hasherr

Alex got banned??

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

He asked for it. Literally.

Jon

10:09 PM

I protest this.

MickLH

@OliverSchöning the obvious one lol

androidmaster

Alex?

The troll?

Lasse

@OliverSchöning alexm

Oliver Schöning

The condesending douche guy?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

After constantly poking the mods.

Vaughan Hilts

10:09 PM

Well, he did get flagged.. a lot.

hasherr

Lasse, what happened???

OMGtechy

What did this Alex do?

androidmaster

@OliverSchöning Yea he was a bit mean to me

Lasse

he posted stuff that got flagged again

Evan

Being abrasive, childish, and generally problematic I'm guessing

hasherr

10:09 PM

Can you guys link me?

Lasse

and then greatly protested against the flags

Jon

oh well.. I liked him

androidmaster

I always thought alex was a girl

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Lasse ... and again and again and again

MickLH

"Generally Problematic" sounds like a great band name

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SpartanDonut

10:10 PM

It was just this morning... won't take you long to get back there. Linking just encourages conversation we don't really need to have

Vaughan Hilts

What am I walking in on GG lol

Oliver Schöning

He was mean to me too. Don't worry about it ^^ @androidmaster He had an odd perspective that you need to be a dick to get your point across.

androidmaster

@hasherr Okay what the name of your game/app

hasherr

Give me a minute

Jon

Meh... he was smart

hasherr

10:11 PM

Trying to figure out why my friend got banned

Lasse

@androidmaster ghostly

Jon

Not super helpful to newbies.. but a smart guy

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Jon It's possible to be smart and not a douche bag. :P

androidmaster

@OliverSchöning so he was a troll? hey am I annoying

Oliver Schöning

@MickLH I think I misunderstood your advice. This is worse than not rounding ^^

requestAnimationFrame(gameLoop);
    var now = new Date();
    dt += (now - last) / 1000;

    if( dt > .1 ){

        // Update Player Position.
        ENGINE.player[0].position.x += 1;
        ENGINE.player[0].sat.pos.x += 1;
        dt = 0;
    }

Jon

10:11 PM

Well.... he helped me out a few times...

Oliver Schöning

Don't think we was a troll no

MickLH

@OliverSchöning Yes slightly misunderstood

androidmaster

Hey guys, am I annoying/mean

If I am tell me

MickLH

But only slightly, instead of dt = 0 I was thinking dt -= 1

androidmaster

And tell me how

SpartanDonut

10:12 PM

Really he just had a low tolerance for people who questioned or rejected his advice when he gave it

Jon

Still had good points of view...

OMGtechy

@Jon I'll help you out if you need anything, don't worry (assuming you need it). I came here to find more people like me haha, seems this isn't the place

androidmaster

@hasherr Did you find it?

MickLH

@OliverSchöning That way you keep track of the "sub-tick" error between ticks

androidmaster

I have my nexus 7waiting to download it

Jon

10:12 PM

@OMGtechy Same back to you friend

SpartanDonut

@OMGtechy you do game dev professionally I take it?

Lasse

@androidmaster it was this one: play.google.com/store/apps/…

androidmaster

is it ghostly

Woa

Vaughan Hilts

Given something like that looks like the figure below, during path-finding, how does one usually determine what cell to start with during path finding?

Jon

middle position

OMGtechy

10:13 PM

@SpartanDonut Yes

SpartanDonut

Anything notable?

androidmaster

@Lasse Okay lasse what about ur games

Jon

When I do pathfinding, I start from the center point of each entity

Lasse

@androidmaster this is currently my only public project: meta.gamedev.stackexchange.com/a/1592/32955

Oliver Schöning

@MickLH cool. So I changed it. But I still don't get the result I want. I mean now it just moves 1 every second instead of smooth. So I guess I am gonna go back to the formula with odd numbers

androidmaster

10:14 PM

I want to compare my progress to a true developer

Lasse

I've not made much games, I've mostly written engines for games

Oliver Schöning

I mean. Obviously since the if waits for 1 second

hasherr

@androidmaster Yes

Vaughan Hilts

@Jon Yeah, but lets say you can be in any of those cells.. how do you pick which cell you belong to?

hasherr

Man down

androidmaster

10:15 PM

@Lasse Download link?

MickLH

@OliverSchöning Aw dude you're like ... so close haha, I didn't literally mean one second

hasherr

@AlexM. RIP Buddy

Vaughan Hilts

Pathfinding requires you start from one of those cells

Lasse

@androidmaster none yet, sorry

hasherr

I'll miss you

Jon

10:15 PM

@VaughanHilts Query your Quadtree at the Center position

androidmaster

Okay

has anyone in this chat room made a game

a complete game

Yes

with a download link

LOL, yes.

Yes

10:15 PM

Yes

androidmaster

@hasherr I saw urs

Evan

I have worked on a number of completed projects

Serial

nope

OMGtechy

@SpartanDonut Not the usual sort of games, started off on gambling games (like you'd see in a betting shop) and moved onto embedded gambling games / tools. At the moment I'm working on a tool to help speed up the development of the embedded games

androidmaster

Can you guys give links to the games

MickLH

10:16 PM

:15169511 I was thinking exactly this:
if (accum >= 1 / animationFPS) {
    .... ;
    accum -= 1 / animationFPS;
}

hasherr

@androidmaster play.google.com/store/apps/…

It's Flappy Bird

Vaughan Hilts

@Jon This is tile based, there's no "center". You have to belong to a tile or not.

Lasse

@hasherr I already linked :P

androidmaster

@hasherr Lasse show me already

hasherr

Thanks, Las

Man, I'm really sad now

Evan

10:16 PM

us.playstation.com/psvita/systems/psv-borderlands-2-bundle.html

androidmaster

@Jon I want to ur game

user4704

I don't think the website for my early games is up anymore, heh.

OMGtechy

@androidmaster Yes, but I can't link you to them or I'd be in a lot of trouble haha

Jon

@VaughanHilts You should be able to determine what square based on the middle pixel of your entity

hasherr

I can't believe he actually got banned

SpartanDonut

10:16 PM

@OMGtechy I'm getting major deja vu from you. I even recognize your avatar to some extent... this definitely sounds familiar.... and I play the slots from time to time so thats exciting :P

androidmaster

@OMGtechy y

are they like adult games?

OMGtechy

@androidmaster no, closed source commerical games

Vaughan Hilts

@Jon So you're saying I should go with the partition at the center of my entity? What is the reasoning behind that?

androidmaster

pictures?

Serial

@hasherr who did !?

OMGtechy

10:17 PM

@SpartanDonut I do spend quite a bit of time on StackOverflow

androidmaster

alez

alex*

hasherr

@Serial AlexM. Banned permanently

MickLH

@hasherr Lol how do you not believe it? he was meaner than me!

androidmaster

@MickLH ur mean?

Jon

@VaughanHilts the center most point would be inside of the square that the entity covers the most.

Serial

10:17 PM

What! for what!

SpartanDonut

@OMGtechy I spend barely any time there. Oh well

androidmaster

@Hjorthenify can isee ur game

Lasse

@MickLH you're not really that mean, not always

hasherr

@MickLH He was my friend.

Vaughan Hilts

@Jon I'll take your word for it.

Jon

10:18 PM

@VaughanHilts you have to pick one... so use the one that is covered the most.

hasherr

And yeah, you're not really mean, you just kind of lose it some times

OMGtechy

@androidmaster take a look at github.com/OMGtechy/DDGL for a simple game engine implementation (WIP) in C++/OpenGL

hasherr

But we all do at some point

MickLH

@hasherr Well I guess you should have had an AR-15 when the cops showed up, if you didn't want to lose your friend haha

Evan

This is intended to be a chat room for polite and civil conversation about game development

androidmaster

10:18 PM

@OMGtechy i have to compile it?

Evan

Repeatedly violating the rules that are set in place is problematic, regardless of who you are

androidmaster

Sorry I cant, my C++ ide is a bit werid

hasherr

@Evan He deserved the suspension

But I'm still sad

Hjorthenify

androidmaster it was mostly gamemodes for garrys mod and some quick 2D games written in C++

OMGtechy

@androidmaster Yes, and what do you mean weird?

androidmaster

10:19 PM

i havent learn to use codeblocks yet

MickLH

@androidmaster Fuck code blocks

hasherr

He didn't deserve 10 years or whatever it was though

Hjorthenify

the gamemodes I released 6 years ago and the 2D games never got on the internet.

androidmaster

@MickLH its free

and open source

MickLH

@androidmaster So is Dev-C++ are you gonna use that?

Lasse

10:19 PM

@androidmaster there's a ton of free and open source c++ tools out there

androidmaster

@MickLH i was, but I have yet to learn C first

OMGtechy

@androidmaster at the moment, it's made for Visual Studio 2013. Once its a bit further into development I'll start implementing something like CMake builds

Lasse

still visual studio express is the best you can get for C++ on windows

MickLH

@androidmaster Leawhollleee!

Get 1337

androidmaster

@Lasse but I dontlike the agreement for studio express...

Lasse

10:20 PM

wha'ts so bad in it you don't want to agree on that?

OMGtechy

@Lasse agreed x 10

Jon

its the best IDE for coding hands down.

androidmaster

@Lasse Idk i forgot y I didnt like it

OMGtechy

@androidmaster the license is quite liberal in the most recent versions, you can develop commercial applications with no cost in it.

androidmaster

I remember reading it

@OMGtechy Really?

I didnt know that

Lasse

10:21 PM

@androidmaster nobody really reads those texts

OMGtechy

@androidmaster Yes. I looked it up for work once.

androidmaster

but what if microsoft becomes evils and writes something in there

Jon

I also doubt microsoft is going to sue a 15 year old for making a game

PR nightmare

OMGtechy

@androidmaster Microsoft will be happy that you're developing on the Windows platform, most likely for the Windows platform

Lasse

@androidmaster it won't or it'll be in trouble from PR perspective

androidmaster

10:22 PM

they could and dont want any legal problems so I follow the rules as they are

Hjorthenify

@OMGtechy Apple would, but Microsoft? Nah

Evan

Microsoft has come a long ways since the 90's. Despite being a major corporation, Visual Studio Express is out for a reason

androidmaster

@OMGtechy true i really dont like apple/mac/ios/iphone

Lasse

@androidmaster they won't

androidmaster

or objective c

OMGtechy

10:23 PM

@androidmaster They cannot change the licence without getting you to agree to the new one. If you don't agree, use the old version and you're fine.

Lasse

^that

Hjorthenify

@androidmaster why dont you write your own IDE for C++ in java then? Then nobody will sue you for using their product!

MickLH

Well...

OMGtechy

@Hjorthenify Notepad++ and MinGW!!!

MickLH

Make sure the current licence doesn't have a provision for them to update the terms retroactively

androidmaster

10:23 PM

@Hjorthenify dont programmers say "Dont reinvent the wheel and stuff"

OMGtechy

@androidmaster it was sarcasm

Jon

i never say that

androidmaster

and "blah blah use libraries"

@OMGtechy it was?

MickLH

Reinventing the wheel is fun as fuck

Lasse

@androidmaster which is also why I am a bit baffled why you would not want to install additional libraries like monogame to create games

Hjorthenify

10:24 PM

@androidmaster you're not reinventing the wheel, but modifying it for your own personal needs.

MickLH

Don't re-invent the combustion engine

Jon

Steam Engine ftw

OMGtechy

@androidmaster in other words, if you're going to use anything made by anyone else you have to agree to license terms.

androidmaster

@Lasse i dont like libraries, I like the fact that I can say, I used just the core libraries

@OMGtechy adn that too

Hjorthenify

.....

OMGtechy

10:25 PM

@androidmaster Why do you think the libaries were made?

MickLH

@androidmaster That's just ego the sooner you get over it the better

Hjorthenify

Good luck with the C family then

Lasse

@androidmaster they are all libraries you have used before, swing is a library, it just is installed with java

androidmaster

@Lasse isnt that part of the core libraries/standard libaries

Lasse

no

well, depends

Jon

10:25 PM

If you don't want to use libs, you could always write direct machine code

5

androidmaster

@Lasse No, than why does it come with the java sdk

Hjorthenify

To make a game in C++ im using SDL, Box2D and lots of SDL-related libraries.

MickLH

@androidmaster the JDK is basically nothing but a massive bag of libraries, with a thin little VM to run them

Lasse

but that's still silly attitude

hasherr

pcpartpicker.com/user/hasherr/saved/43ge

Dat processor tho

androidmaster

10:26 PM

@Jon Jon you know what I mean

OMGtechy

@androidmaster what's the difference between using a standard library and a third part one? You can modify the third party one!

user4704

Yeah, avoiding "libraries" is crazy.

OMGtechy

boost ftw

user4704

(also basically impossible)

Jon

@hasherr that your build?

hasherr

10:26 PM

Yeah

I have everything except for the cpu

user4704

I mean, your C libraries depend on the operating system libraries.

androidmaster

But I did so far makign android apps, no need to use other libraries other than the current sdk

Jon

very nice.

MickLH

@JoshPetrie Not just crazy, but suicidal in the perspective of your project's livelihood

user4704

Quite.

Lasse

10:26 PM

I want to star that ten times, too bad I'm only allowed one :(

androidmaster

Also when did you guys start talking about C I was talking about java

OMGtechy

@androidmaster and that's great for learning, but not so much for long term

SpartanDonut

@hasherr should have gotten the 4770k man your PC will be so slow

Hjorthenify

Ha! You wouldn't even be able to write a game since you need at LEAST openGL or DirectX (for lowerst level)

... Or you can use the windows header, but that would just be ....

user4704

@androidmaster Same principle.

androidmaster

10:27 PM

If I want to use libraries in C I would just use Lua

Hjorthenify

O_o

Jon

bbl

androidmaster

to bind the libraries

Hjorthenify

Lua is basically C++/C

"under the hood"

androidmaster

but the fact is that it cant do much on its on

MickLH

10:27 PM

@androidmaster I'm sorry to say this but you've gotta get knocked down a peg so you can realize that a lot of the things you think you know are conjecture and your foundation needs to be rebuilt

OMGtechy

@Hjorthenify so are a lot of languages

androidmaster

without C/C++ libraries

Hjorthenify

Yeah thats correct.

androidmaster

okay

Lasse

@androidmaster do you actually have any idea you are talking about? :P

androidmaster

10:28 PM

idk anymore

I got lost a few minutes ago

Lokkij

@androidmaster You manage to create the strangest and funniest conversations

Hjorthenify

@androidmaster go check out how Don't Starve was made

androidmaster

whats that

is that a movie

Hjorthenify

I had a lot of fun modifying that with my LUA knowledge

A game written in lua

SpartanDonut

@MickLH this statement has made me realize that Chumbawamba's Tubthumping is all about programming...

androidmaster

10:29 PM

I dont watch movies/music/tv anymore

SpartanDonut

It's just so clear to me now

Lokkij

@androidmaster lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+don%27t+starve

Hjorthenify

I wonder why so many people use SFML

androidmaster

well, all in all thank you guys, now that the library thing was discuss and I am obivouslt completely wrong am going to learn Three.js, webgl library for javscript today

Lasse

@Hjorthenify It's got cool name

hasherr

10:30 PM

@SpartanDonut Lol, not really

And I'm not overclocking

androidmaster

@Lokkij where do you fidn this stuff to google it for you

hasherr

So no use getting a K

MickLH

@androidmaster Sounds like a good bet thanks for re-considering libraries

Hjorthenify

@Lasse That must be it! You're absolutely right!

androidmaster

@MickLH only because three.js is opensource

Lokkij

10:31 PM

@androidmaster What do you mean?

Lasse

@Hjorthenify it's got the perfect google search terms in it's name

androidmaster

to get it "let me google it for you"

WAIT

this is my last question about this stuff

Noctrine

@hasherr They are functionally similar to the ones that don't have the K. But they have overclocking enabled. Ask yourself why :p

androidmaster

do you guys practice any good habits to maintatin proper eye health

SpartanDonut

@hasherr yeah I was just kidding. You're going to love your computer.

androidmaster

10:32 PM

since using a computer does put a lot of strain on your eyes

Lokkij

@androidmaster lmgtfy.com/?q=where+do+I+find+let+me+google+that+for+you

Noctrine

Look at something in the distance every X hours

Control glare

Lasse

@androidmaster I don't

OMGtechy

@androidmaster indeed, and your back

Noctrine

Use Monokai

user4704

10:32 PM

Yes, I got laser eye surgery.

Chris

@androidmaster I'm blind.

hasherr

@SpartanDonut Hell yeah, I am

user4704

Problem solved.

Lasse

yes, monokai!

hasherr

I get paid this weekend, too, so I'll finally have enough money to finish

Lasse

10:32 PM

@MickLH take that!

androidmaster

and evenutallywe''ll g blind

Noctrine

@JoshPetrie How'd that work out for you? I want to but after seeing it I'm scared.

user4704

@Noctrine Wonderful.

androidmaster

so do you guys do any of thos every 30 min break and put cool patch on our eye stuff

or do you guys just stare at the screen all day?

Noctrine

@androidmaster I try to only look at the computer when I am going to code.

user4704

10:33 PM

No. I try not to spend that much time staring at a computer screen.

OMGtechy

@Hjorthenify SFML is great, expect for how it renders. The image loading uses stb_image internally though which is really good

Lasse

@androidmaster I just pretty much stare the screen all day

MickLH

@Lasse I don't have to take any of that shit, because I use Solarized Dark so when you're crying yourself to sleep at 9AM after a long 2 nights of programming, I'll only have watering eyes and not even be crying yet

androidmaster

I really want to know since I thing my eyes are drastically decreasing

Noctrine

For a variety of reasons LED screens are bad for you.

@androidmaster More than likely, it's just your eyes.

androidmaster

10:33 PM

My glasses get thicker every time i go to the eye doctor

OMGtechy

@androidmaster I go for a walk on my breaks and then relax at my desk

Lasse

@MickLH ouch :(

Chris

lol.....

Noctrine

@androidmaster That's just your eyes. It's going to continue you like that :\

androidmaster

so i'll reach a age when I cant code

Noctrine

10:34 PM

Your vision isn't going to repair itself.

MickLH

@androidmaster What kind of glasses do you wear anyways?

Some glasses work against healing, some towards

androidmaster

@MickLH idk how do you decrease glasses

all i know is that my can turn to sun glasses when out in the sun

MickLH

If you're lucky, with eye exercises or surgery

OMGtechy

@androidmaster changing your focus often helps, especially if you're staring at a computer screen a lot

@androidmaster lowering the resolution of my monitor helped reduce eye strain for me too

androidmaster

but all in all, this means none of you guys really do anything to prevent eye strain and stuff?

Lasse

10:36 PM

@androidmaster I got those too, and they just are cool, they even aren't proper sun glasses

androidmaster

I though programmers did the things pro gramers did

OMGtechy

@androidmaster not enough

Noctrine

you just got a lot of answers about how to reduce eye strain :\

MickLH

@androidmaster ethanschoonover.com/solarized

Lasse

I got proper polarized sun glasses for driving my car

OMGtechy

10:36 PM

@androidmaster programmers are people, people are not perfect

Noctrine

Tempted to edit that to say Monokai :p

androidmaster

@OMGtechy I meant same habits...

Lasse

monokai!

androidmaster

nothing about being perfect

user4704

Solarized is awesome.

MickLH

10:37 PM

@Noctrine Go ahead I'll only lose 97% respect given that monokai damages the eyes and does the opposite of solarized

Lasse

hush, monokai is best

hasherr

^^

OMGtechy

@androidmaster I meant that in the "not all programmers do the same thing or what they should" sense

Noctrine

@MickLH scholarly papers please :P

MickLH

But really just get up every 30 minutes, and focus on something at least a good 5 times as far away

OMGtechy

10:37 PM

So what languages are people most proficient in here?

androidmaster

@OMGtechy oh, okay just like when they should drink water but programmers drink a lot of coffee and dont sleep much

@MickLH helps a lot

Korean.

Espanol

Finnish

10:38 PM

@androidmaster haha based upon my experience, yes

Dutch.

C++

booo

I meant programming languages, but that's interesting too

androidmaster

Hey

Lasse

10:38 PM

why are we yelling our languages all of sudden?

oh, there it is

androidmaster

last thing ebfore i go away

Noctrine

Hmm you know the solarized light would probably help with my current glare heavy environment

androidmaster

do you guys consider ur selves nerds?

Noctrine

Dark editor is making my screen into a mirror

Lasse

no!

Lokkij

10:39 PM

@androidmaster You say that all the time

MickLH

@Noctrine I don't feel like it, but you should be able to find data on your own about how large variations in brightness are stressful to stare at for extended periods of time

OMGtechy

@androidmaster yes

Lasse

heretic!

androidmaster

@Lokkij Well i do leave and than come back

Noctrine

I just hate the blue :(

OMGtechy

10:39 PM

I am the king of nerds

BlueBug

...? what did I do.. :(' why so much hate.

androidmaster

NERd battle!!!

Noctrine

@androidmaster Not highschool, does it matter?

Lasse

@androidmaster yes, I'm one proud nerd

androidmaster

jk

OMGtechy

10:39 PM

draws sword

MickLH

@Noctrine The solarized color scheme is designed to give the maximum visibility at the minimum variance in brightness

androidmaster

draws keyboad

and a toaster

Oliver Schöning

@MickLH this?

MickLH

Not just a bag of fucking HTML colors out of a hat

Oliver Schöning

var last = Date.now();
var dt = 0;
var accum = 0;
function gameLoop () {
    requestAnimationFrame(gameLoop);

    var now = Date.now();
    dt = (now - last);
    accum += dt;

    if( accum >= 1000 / dt){
        // Update Player Position.
        player.position.x += 1;
        accum -= 1000 / dt ;
    }

    last = now;
}

OMGtechy

10:40 PM

draws eraser...wait, what?

hasherr

@androidmaster So are you going to publish an app or what?

androidmaster

No I follow the rules

Lasse

@BlueBug what did you do then?

OMGtechy

@OliverSchöning what's with the random code snippet?

hasherr

@androidmaster Good luck in life

androidmaster

10:40 PM

my parents didnt develope it so it would be like lieing to google

Noctrine

:|

hasherr

Sometimes you have to break a tiny rule

Noctrine

Using them side by side I have to concede (especially having a headache right now)

androidmaster

Why waste it on doing that

BlueBug

I did nothing wrong to deserve hated, except answering silly questions on forum for karma.

MickLH

10:41 PM

var last = Date.now();
var dt = 0;
var accum = 0;
function gameLoop () {
    requestAnimationFrame(gameLoop);

    var now = Date.now();
    dt = (now - last);
    accum += dt;

    if (accum >= 1000 / gameRate) {
        // Update Player Position.
        player.position.x += 1;
        accum -= 1000 / gameRate;
    }

    last = now;
}

Chris

@MickLH Solarized looks very cool, I might try it!

hasherr

@androidmaster Waste what?

Hjorthenify

@omgtechy what is wrong with the way it renders?

Noctrine

It flairs up when I swap from solarized to monokai

The bright pink

Lasse

@BlueBug I don't see any hate

androidmaster

10:41 PM

breaking rule chance

Oliver Schöning

@OMGtechy Trying to do a fixed timestep with delta time so I avoid floating point numbers when moving my player

hasherr

@androidmaster What are you afraid of? Getting caught?

androidmaster

@hasherr yes google already does hold control of the internet...

BlueBug

2 mins ago, by Noctrine

I just hate the blue :(

Hjorthenify

@lasse do you ever sleep? :P

Lasse

10:42 PM

@Hjorthenify yes, when I sleep

BlueBug

:P

androidmaster

What time do you people sleep at

hasherr

@androidmaster Look, Google doesn't care if a 15 year old makes an app and publishes it using his parent's card. Google has much better things to do

Lasse

I slept 12 hours last night

I'm not yet feeling sleepy

Hjorthenify

Woah

hasherr

10:42 PM

And they're not going to waste their time enforcing that unless it becomes a much more problematic issue.

androidmaster

please dont be after 12

OMGtechy

@Hjorthenify Stack gets literred with potentially very deep function calls, with code duplication often occuring because each object renders itself. Adds a lot of overhead and easy to make mistakes

Oliver Schöning

@MickLH I don't know what you mean by the game rate. The optimal fps ?

Lasse

@androidmaster it's almost 2am

BlueBug

Google, better things, like taking over the world.

Lasse

10:43 PM

sometimes I've been up until 11am

androidmaster

@hasherr I'll do that once I get more work done

BlueBug

Future == ~~Google~~ ~~OculusLift~~ FaceBook

hasherr

Do what? Publish?

MickLH

@OliverSchöning That gameRate is a new variable I added, yeah it's like emulated FPS, no matter what the real FPS is your player will update at that rate

androidmaster

Once I implement a multiplayer system in which user can play together over wifi and trade items

hasherr

10:43 PM

Publish?

androidmaster

Once i get that done, I'll sent a email to google and ask tehm

if I can publish

hasherr

@BlueBug ~~Oculus Rift~~ Facebook

@androidmaster LOL

BlueBug

aye lel

hasherr

Why are you wasting your time? Just do it

androidmaster

@hasherr y do you so badly want me to do that

I still have yet to add more features

Hjorthenify

10:44 PM

@OMGtechy That sounds very useful!

androidmaster

most important port all of my code from android canvas to oepngl es

hasherr

@androidmaster Have you ever read a Terms of Service?

Lokkij

@androidmaster He's just trying to encourage you to actually make a game

hasherr

I don't, but it infuriates me that you think it's such a big deal that you 'ask permission' for something so obsolete

androidmaster

@Lokkij i do!

I just have to add more stuff

Hjorthenify

10:45 PM

@Lasse Ihana!

Oliver Schöning

@MickLH so if I want the player to move 100 pixels each second the gameRate would be 1000 / 100 ?

Lasse

@Hjorthenify härtligt!

or something

OMGtechy

@OliverSchöning you're doing the right way about it. You want to add current game time onto an accumulator, check if the fixed time step has passed, call update with the fixed time step and decrement the accumulator by the fixed time step

Hjorthenify

@Lasse Pillo!(spelled correctly?xD)

Lasse

@Hjorthenify nope, but almost

Noctrine

10:46 PM

@Lasse Sorry man, think I'm a convert

Hjorthenify

@Lasse Nice. I had a finnish friend once.

Lasse

@Noctrine you heretic :(

androidmaster

My current game has a 500x500 world with 3 layers in which you can build and explore, I also have random world generationwith tiemrto make it go from night to day and I also have a dynamic lighting system for the tiles which will check if there is light around ti or not to give it a look like terreria

See I do ahve a game

hasherr

@androidmaster Have you ever read a terms of service?

Lasse

@Hjorthenify I know lot of people outside of finland who's got finnish friends

Hjorthenify

10:46 PM

How did you implement the random generation?

Noctrine

Even if the blue looks terrible in Soda Dark

Lasse

@Hjorthenify are you talking about the the block thing?

androidmaster

@Hjorthenify I dont use noise, I use a lot of for loops and math.random

Lokkij

@androidmaster Then please get some people to play it to recieve feedback

Lasse

oh

I should read the chat

Hjorthenify

10:47 PM

Haha yeah :P

SpartanDonut

Monokai is kind of painful.. oh god

Hjorthenify

Lasse I know what you have in your house....

androidmaster

@Lokkij Or I can not put it google play and upgrade it myself

Lasse

@Hjorthenify crap?

androidmaster

I know the weak points

Hjorthenify

10:47 PM

Beside that

hasherr

Holy Christ, androidmaster

SpartanDonut

Doesn't help that I had an XML file open and so my screen was basically bright yellow from the strings

hasherr

Answer the damn question

androidmaster

which

Lasse

@Hjorthenify well?

hasherr

10:48 PM

HAVE YOU EVER READ A TERMS OF SERVICE

androidmaster

Let me check right now

Hjorthenify

@Lasse You got a sauna dont you?

Lasse

@Hjorthenify damn straight I got a sauna

Oliver Schöning

Okay. I see how it works now. Big thanks to you @MickLH I'm gonna go to bed now :p

MickLH

@OliverSchöning Yeah in that case, it's working out like that, where since you move 1 pixel per tick, a game rate of 100 ticks per second will give 100 fixed timesteps

Cool :) night

OMGtechy

10:48 PM

@Hjorthenify You mean you prefer to have objects render themselves or you like the idea of not doing that?

androidmaster

That was the shorted term of agreement I have look at

Hjorthenify

@Lasse Hahaha amazing how easy the NASA sattelites are to hack these days.. Staring at your house right now!

@OMGtechy I was being sarcastic :P

androidmaster

and I would not break any rules

hasherr

@androidmaster Why do you read them.

Wasting so much time...

OMGtechy

@Hjorthenify oh :P

Lasse

10:49 PM

@Hjorthenify yeah it's like the only house with sauna in finland

androidmaster

Also iforgot to mention my game has water physics

so If I make a splash the water moves

like in waves

MickLH

@hasherr Lol pretty infuriating when someone asks for something but won't accept any answer different from their own right?

androidmaster

up and down and after time settle down

Hjorthenify

@Lasse Yeah its a very strange house, isn't it? I bet you got turists coming from all over finland just to see your sauna!

hasherr

@MickLH :P

Or won't answer hardly at all

Hjorthenify

10:50 PM

tourists'

OMGtechy

@Hjorthenify it has good reason for being done that way (i.e. it's very easy to use and get to grips with), but for graphically intensive games with things like particle engines in them it can be a problem

Lasse

@Hjorthenify there's even someone stranger in it saunaing right now!

Hjorthenify

@Lasse Woah!

@OMGtechy I can imagine! I like SDL better. I tried FSML, but it seemed too cluttered.

Lasse

SFML*

MickLH

I miss the good old days

Even though there's no such thing

Lasse

10:51 PM

@MickLH which ones

OMGtechy

@Hjorthenify Ever tried to implement your own equivalent?

MickLH

The ones back when SDL wasn't trying to be SFML

Lasse

the ones when everyone thought earth was still flat?

like that you could fall off the face of earth if you went far enough

Hjorthenify

@OMGtechy My own media library for C++=

?

MickLH

No the sweet spot right after that, right before bill gates started the next dark ages inventing "Proprietary Software"

Lasse

10:53 PM

ah that

MickLH

jk, I just meant pre-SDL 1.3

SDL 1.2 lasted for fucking ever, nothing needed to change, SDL was finished

An open source software project... fucking... got finished

OMGtechy

@Hjorthenify in other words, have you tried rendering without using a high level library like SFML? (OpenGL, GLEW and such don't count btw)

Lasse

I remember using SDL 1.2

MickLH

So of course they have to throw it in a god damn blender

Lasse

@MickLH there's a youtube channel full of just that

MickLH

10:54 PM

There's one for microwaves too

Hjorthenify

@OMGtechy Does DirectX count?

MickLH

In one of the episodes, they took apart a microwave, packed the guts into another microwave and cooked it until they both broke

OMGtechy

@Hjorthenify not at all, working without OpenGL or DirectX would be horrible haha

Lasse

the latest HowToBasic video got me really confused

not that they all didn't confuse me, but still

MickLH

@OMGtechy Do you want my software renderer?

Hjorthenify

10:56 PM

@OMGtechy If not virtually impossible.. :P

OMGtechy

@MickLH as in CPU bound?

MickLH

It's reasonably optimized, does perspective correct interpolation, and even does texture filtering

OMGtechy

@Hjorthenify exactly

Lasse

I hear it's easy to create ray casters

BlueBug

I was reforamatting javascript, each indent by one.... then I googled "javascript reformat"

jsbeautifier.org

SpartanDonut

10:56 PM

@MickLH I downloaded Solarized from the web which just updated the text editor and was like... meh. Downloaded a VS2013 Themes Extension which includes a full Solarized Dark and Light theme. Awesome.

OMGtechy

@MickLH nice. Is it CPU bound though?

BlueBug

dances in great joy jsbeautifier.org!!! bless you whoever made this website.

MickLH

@OMGtechy No it's memory bandwidth bound pretty bad

OMGtechy

@MickLH still a good feat regardless

MickLH

The inner loop is pretty tightly optimized for the CPU

But pushing so many pixels through system RAM is a no-go

You can top out at a couple hundred FPS if there's nothing on screen, but even with 6 processors don't expect to push 800x600 above 20 FPS

OMGtechy

10:58 PM

@MickLH instead of pushing pixels, why not push textureID's / pointers and leave the pixels in the RAM? Sure, the CPU will still need them but the problem will be massively reduced

MickLH

Because the pixel is 4 bytes but a pointer is 8 bytes

OMGtechy

@MickLH but there is 1 pointer, and 800x600 pixels

MickLH

Also you can get the FPS up by sacraficing texture filtering, opens tons of bandwidth

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