The Comms Room

voretaq7

4:01 PM

@Dan A bike (motor or pedal) is not a basic form of transport where I live. It snows here for a good 1/4 of the year...

Dan

@ChrisS I was just commenting that if speed / cost ratio is your thing, then there's really only one answer.

@voretaq7 And I'm sure a 911 would be fantastic there, too ;)

voretaq7

@Dan ...a Grumman tiger? :)

@Dan about as good as any RWD car :-)

Dan

@voretaq7 Haha, touché

voretaq7

Actually the only time I got stuck in the snow is in my current (front-wheel-drive) car.

Dan

@voretaq7 Because of the weight and its distribution my camper was excellent in the snow. My BMW was horrendous, though

voretaq7

4:03 PM

@Dan my BMW (E21 320is) was awesome in the snow

I miss that car

Dan

@voretaq7 Awesome in the fun sense? Mine was fun when it was going, but it's stupid low profile tyres just had no traction.

voretaq7

terribly underpowered even after everything I did to the engine, but absolutely orgasmic handling characteristics.

@Dan you don't buy a car with low profile tires in New York

unless you like replacing wheels every time you hit a pothole

Dan

@voretaq7 Yeah, your roads are pretty poor!

Michael Hampton

Chris S

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-5#F-5E_and_F-5F_Tiger_II <-- Your Grumman Tiger reminded me of the Northrop Tiger =]
... on my list of things to buy if I ever need things to waste millions of $ on ...

voretaq7

4:06 PM

the BMW had narrow-ass tires - you had to be careful starting in slush/ice - but if you didn't do anything stupid like try to peel out in first gear it was great

@ChrisS yeah but those cost a lot more :-)

…though you probably don't have to worry about the wings debonding (which is why I didn't buy the tiger I was looking at :P)

Dan

@voretaq7 Yeah, narrow tyres are great in the snow. Always pisses off the rich folk when little 1.0l euro boxes are cruising past them in the snow

Chris S

@voretaq7 Top Speed: 1.6 <-- Your point is invalid

voretaq7

Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II

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jscott

@MichaelHampton The CPU blacked out for a bit there, eh?

pauska

@jscott or more possibly the disk(s)

voretaq7

4:09 PM

(we have one of those on the field - it's not airworthy and it's been "demilitarized", but it's still a sexy beast)

Michael Hampton

@jscott No, the SAN went away

voretaq7

I'll take "It's basically a cannon someone built an airplane around" over raw speed :)

Chris S

@Iain Yep reset reinitializes the terminal. reboot bounces the whole system.

voretaq7

@ChrisS Both accomplish the goal of "Fix the damage I did by cating a binary file to my terminal" though

TheCleaner

@ChrisS on my list of things to buy with "Tiger" in the name:

voretaq7

4:11 PM

that car's grille has a sad :(

Dan

@TheCleaner Nyom

voretaq7

I want one of those ^

Dan

@TheCleaner I know it's not them as such, but the Sunbeam factory was 5 mins from where I live now. In fact, just checked and the Tiger was only built in West Brom which is 20 mins I guess

voretaq7

Yes, I'm aware it's just a glorified VW Beetle with a different shell on top. I still like them.

Dan

@voretaq7 That's cos they're gorgeous

voretaq7

4:15 PM

@Dan and yet deliciously economical

TheCleaner

@Dan They have skyrocketed in value over the past 20 years with the internet praising them so much. If I would've been able to snatch one up in the 90s...only if...

voretaq7

I wish I could afford the time required to restore a 1960s beetle to full operating condition

Dan

@voretaq7 To run - not to buy anymore over here. They're well expensive

@voretaq7 Ours has been on stands for, uh, some weeks now :$

voretaq7

@Dan they're pretty expensive here too - same with 1960s beetles. If it doesn't require extensive restoration work it's going to cost $20-30k

Nathan C

DFS-R, you are useful

Dan

4:16 PM

@TheCleaner Yep, I bet they're pretty rare too

TheCleaner

@Dan yeah...don't see them at all around me...but I've seen them in the upper NW (Oregon) and west coast some...

I'm more likely to see a Le Car or Yugo than a Tiger...

Iain

@ChrisS cheers

Dan

@TheCleaner Problem is, as a Rootes car you have to make sure you don't get a Friday afternoon special with wonky doors and things

TheCleaner

it'll be cheaper to just build a kit car. Or take an old 240z and slap a small block V8 in it. Course, my all time favorite to own would be a well tuned/modded:

voretaq7

@TheCleaner ...you can afford to feed a small-block V8? :)

TheCleaner

4:26 PM

:) weekends...probably. Daily driver...no way. Course, it's no different than the giant diesel duallies on the road around here I guess.

voretaq7

@TheCleaner heh, all I know is my hobbies are getting more expensive. Avgas just hit $8/gal (thanks Syria!)

TheCleaner

wow...where? Here it's $3.29 and I think that's crazy.

voretaq7

@TheCleaner car gas is $3.80/gal right now

NY

Cole

I hate users that say (on my voicemail) "I'm calling you directly instead of putting in a ticket because you know our environment and I need an answer right away."

TheCleaner

oh...you said Avgas

voretaq7

4:29 PM

and it jumped like a fucking scalded frog - $3.66 -> $3.80 literally overnight.

@Cole Ignore it.

Cole

@voretaq7 just stupid

TheCleaner

@Cole sounds like time for japanese lettuce inspection to me

Cole

wat

voretaq7

@Cole literally, ignore the message. That's the only way they learn.

3

Cole

@voretaq7 Indeed.

voretaq7

4:31 PM

@Cole It's from Days of Thunder. @TheCleaner Cole is a young'un, he's probably not seen that movie.

Cole

I have not.

TheCleaner

Gotcha...

voretaq7

@Cole something something LAWN.

TheCleaner

"Now y'all heard of a "Japanese Inspection?" Japanese Inpsection, you see, when the Japs get in a load of lettuce they're not sure they wanna let in the country, why they'll just let it sit there on the dock 'til they get good and ready to look at. But then of course, it's all gone rotten... ain't nothing left to inspect. "

basically...just ignore the call and eventually it will die on its own

Cole

LOL

That's brilliant.

mfinni

4:32 PM

@TheCleaner despair.com/apathy.html

TheCleaner

so I refer to that all the time...

@mfinni - indeed

Cole

So that whole fiasco with the 3 people on call doing tickets? I'm still the only one really doing them -_-

TheCleaner

lol...sorry but this is funny.

Cole

LOL

TheCleaner

BTW, Days of Thunder...excellent flick...

Cole

4:37 PM

Just got a notice of retirement email - woman is retiring after 35 years.

The company has been around for 50 years.

voretaq7

@TheCleaner REEEEEEEEEFFFFFFFFFF! HE RAN NEAR ME! RED CARD! RED CARRRRRRDDDDDDDD!

@TheCleaner I wouldn't say "Excellent", but definitely worth seeing.

Scott Pack

@TheCleaner South Americans are the teams most noted for their falls.

pauska

@ScottPack and Italians...

and the Portuguese

honesly - UK, germany and scandinavian teams are nearly the only ones who doesn't do any filming

just look at how Torres or Christiano Ronaldo did when they started in Premier League.. they were bullied around like little schoolgirls, yelling for cards all the time.. it takes time to adjust :)

Scott Pack

4:53 PM

It would be rather difficult for a Brit to take a fall what with that upper lip keeping them upright.

Dan

You have to watch rugby if you want to see how real men deal with a fall

MDMarra

@pauska interesting VNX read

We have half of our EMC/VMware staff at VMworld now

pauska

Have you gotten a chance to test ODX against it?

Michael Hampton

Damn, I went to upvote an answer, and it turned out to be mine

MDMarra

@pauska I don't do any storage stuff nowadays

Matt Bear

4:56 PM

@MichaelHampton ha

MDMarra

@MichaelHampton I do that a lot

pauska

@MDMarra Noob. Gotten good with SCOM yet?

MDMarra

@pauska Nope, but I'm pretty handy with Orchestrator now

SCOM is next on my list

we just hired two new engineers, so my schedule will open up for more "higher level" things

I'm at a customer now rolling out self-service server provisioning and software installation with Service Manager and Orchestrator

Dev goes to the portal, picks a VM template, picks RAM, CPU, number of disks, etc. IT manager clicks "approve" and the server gets built by orchestrator and the ticket get closed. Then, that dev goes and makes a software request for that server. They can see all of the software collections in SCCM, so they put little check marks in each one that they want for that server, a manager clicks OK, and orchestrator puts those servers into the SCCM collections and triggers a deploy

It's cool shit

Matt Bear

@MDMarra me want

me really want...

voretaq7

@MDMarra I hate these people

MDMarra

5:00 PM

Why?

Matt Bear

@voretaq7 Dev's?

voretaq7

because they have cool toys

MDMarra

Ah

It's a fairly large healthcare organization

voretaq7

but more importantly because they'll probably eliminate their sysadmin staff now that the computer can do all of that pesky provisioning work.

MDMarra

40k users, about 1,500 servers

across 10 vSphere clusters

petabytes of XIV storage

It's a cool environment to get to pop into for two weeks

Matt Bear

5:01 PM

@MDMarra do I even want to know how much that cost....

MDMarra

@MattBear System center

it's all system center licensing

@voretaq7 They still need people to maintain vSphere, and now the System Center stack supporting it

Those people just do less repetitive deployment stuff now and focus on building out and perfecting the surrounding infrastructure

@MattBear Plus the cost of two weeks of my time, which I'm sure isn't cheap :)

Nathan C

@MDMarra I take it you're in the $150+/hour range eh?

MDMarra

I'm sure it's more than that

I'm salaried

I have no idea what I'm billed out at

I'm sure it varies from customer to customer

When I work for @ewwhite it's at $120/h but that's because he deals with the customers 100% of the time

gotta run

voretaq7

@MDMarra I'd expect to see layoffs and deterioration once the rollout is complete. Just bitter experience talking.

Matt Bear

im just happy for once

:) Made it through a SOC 2 audit

Nathan C

5:10 PM

Ah.

ewwhite

5:20 PM

@mdmarra being a baller

pauska

I know geography isn't one of the strong points of US, but really?? notalwaysright.com/a-large-intelligence-gulf-of-mexico/31541

voretaq7

pauska

!

THAT WAS ME

(I'm not kidding)

I posted that yesterday, just to see how he would react

fucking brilliant, I feel proud

voretaq7

@pauska YOU SHOULD!

@pauska Dude, I know someone who thinks Africa is a country

like - a country in europe.

Americans are STUPID.

ewwhite

In America, we are not taught that there's anything on top of the state of Maine...

voretaq7

5:26 PM

@pauska The new thing is when you call a call center they answer with "Thank you for calling $_COMPANY my name is $_NAME right here in $_US_CITY and I'll be assisting you this $_TIME_OF_DAY, how may I help you?"

Matt Bear

@voretaq7 Africa is a country!

Chris S

@pauska That's particularly stupid... But yes, most Americans couldn't label more than 10 US states of a map.

voretaq7

@ewwhite In New York we're taught to avoid Maine. Nothing good happens there. It's all Murder She Wrote and Stephen King novels up in that bitch!

84104

@ewwhite The continued existence of New Brunswick freaks me out.

Matt Bear

its neighbors with Montana I think

and they go to war...

ewwhite

5:27 PM

Haha..

Matt Bear

and stuff

voretaq7

@pauska (that litany takes like 3 minutes. I usually interrupt them with "Yeah I don't care where you are, here's what I need...")

Chris S

I did have a telemarketer ask if "MI" stood for the state of "Miama" once.

Nathan C

@voretaq7 Hey, I live in Maine! =P

Matt Bear

@ewwhite Doesn't toilet paper come from above there?

Nathan C

5:29 PM

Plus, the coastline is amazing.

voretaq7

to add extra authenticity I expect them to start adding "local color" and talking about $_LOCAL_SPORTS_TEAM

@NathanC . . . are you a serial killer, or a victim?

Matt Bear

@ChrisS yes... yes it does

Nathan C

@voretaq7 If I was a victim, that'd make me a zombie...

voretaq7

@ChrisS Hang on, I'm going to lock Mississippi and Michigan in a room to see who gets it...

Matt Bear

@NathanC so are you a zombie?

Chris S

5:30 PM

@MattBear I said "sure, sounds good to me"

voretaq7

@NathanC no, you could be a victim who hasn't been killed yet.

victims-in-waiting

Chris S

@voretaq7 Locking Maine and Massachusetts in the next room too?

voretaq7

... although Pet Sematary....

@ChrisS no. We'll wind up with another Vermont.

Chris S

@voretaq7 While we're at it, what about Missouri?

Matt Bear

@voretaq7 death by.... Publicly announcing your cell phone number at work, under an ad saying "Free in home tech support"

Nathan C

5:32 PM

@voretaq7 Yes, I'm a victim. My killer will be life most likely.

Matt Bear

my motivation to do a damn thing right now is 0...

Tanner

@voretaq7 You have to deal with HIPAA compliance, yes? Any thoughts on the looming XP expiration date and HIPAA compliance?

Other than XP obviously needing to die in a fire, I'm wondering if I can leverage the threat of HIPAA issue to get rid of some XP boxes.

voretaq7

@Tanner yes, my thoughts are "I have no Windows XP in my environment - HUZZAH!"

Tanner

I'm pretty sure we're 80% XP :(

voretaq7

@Tanner Dude, you can use HIPAA compliance to get anything you fucking want! Nobody has actually read the law, and they just take it on faith if you invoke the dread specter of HIPAA :-)

TheCleaner

5:38 PM

Maybe I'm oversimplifying it since I don't know Wordpress...but: serverfault.com/questions/534909/…

voretaq7

I mean it's REALLY HARD to violate HIPAA unless you actively TRY to do so, but people are so terrified they'll do ANYTHING to avoid even the slightest hint of a though of possibilities of noncompliance

pauska

@MDMarra social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/…

TheCleaner

"The General settings in my WP still have the xxx.elasticIP.xx for both the site URL and WP URL." - sounds to me like he just needs to change the general settings to point the URL to the right place now.

voretaq7

@TheCleaner probably. But there's a Wordpress site for this shit.

Tanner

@voretaq7 Hmmm... maybe I'll give it a go then.

voretaq7

5:39 PM

where people who use that ~~fucking giant security hole~~ software hang out ;)

@Tanner you won't pass any decent audit if you're still running XP after the end of support date though

TheCleaner

@voretaq7 apparently it is dang near impossible to violate. Since my annual health screening comes in the mail with the first page being "go here to view your full report. username = firstnamelastname, password=2013" -- yo...guess what? I can now see ANYONE's health screening you did for our company you r-tards...

voretaq7

@TheCleaner mmhmm, that's still secure according to HIPAA

mfinni

@TheCleaner Nah ah. Only this year.

Tanner

@voretaq7 Hell I'm not sure it would come up in an audit. It's a small ambulance company. Never heard anything about them checking on the IT side of things...

voretaq7

@TheCleaner and if you change the username you're violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.

@Tanner you store patient data?

TheCleaner

5:42 PM

@mfinni :)

voretaq7

Security through "OMG WE'LL SUE!!!!!!!"

seems to be the new strategy...

TheCleaner

@voretaq7 I'm simply pointing out a security flaw...you got nothing on me copper!

Tanner

@voretaq7 They use a couple programs to send data. we don't handle the storage of it.

voretaq7

@TheCleaner its all fun and games till someone changes a value in a form field.

AUTHENTICATED=TRUE!!!!

@Tanner hmmmm, gray area :)

TheCleaner

that's because them Canucks have crazy rules like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skill_testing_question
"You just won a new car!!! What's 3 x 3 and we'll give you the car!"

voretaq7

5:46 PM

if patient data is stored you need to show security (either through routine patching, internal audits, and maintenance, or "It's not connected to any external systems. EVER.")

@TheCleaner we have similar rules in the US. You'll notice almost every contest has the "No purchase necessary, offer void where prohibited" boilerplate.

Except my contests which always say "Offer void where permitted"

(I don't like giving out prizes.)

Tanner

@voretaq7 Hmmm... We're probably fine then, unfortunately. I believe most the time they're using the XP boxes to connect to our terminal server, which then connects to this 3rd party who stores the data.

Dan

@voretaq7 We get "No purchase necessary" here, too. One day I'm going to phone up and demand a 1000 chances at winning

The I guess it's Fiddler time — Mathias R. Jessen 8 hours ago

Rolf Harris spotted

TheCleaner

@voretaq7 reminds me of Mitch Hedberg

I think Pizza Hut is the cockiest pizza chain on the planet, because Pizza Hut will accept all competitors' coupons. That makes me wish I had my own pizza place. "Mitch's Pizzaria... this week's coupon: unlimited free pizza. Special Note: coupon not good at any of the Mitch's Pizza locations. Free pizza oven with purchase of a small Coke. Two-for Tuesday: buy one pizza, get one franchise free."

voretaq7

@TheCleaner Pizza Hut has to do SOMETHING. Their pizza is atrocious.

Dan

@TheCleaner I bet a franchise free pizza would be delicious.

Nathan C

5:53 PM

Yay for deployable nsclient++

Matt Bear

@voretaq7 that what I did with the SOC 2 :D

Tanner

@voretaq7 Worked at a Pizza Hut. Can confirm. (Pro tip: don't eat the pasta. Ever.)

that shit has a shelf life of about 20 minutes...

TheCleaner

@voretaq7 never have liked them. Papa Johns I can handle...but we typically stick to various local shops. I like NY thin style the best...

Nathan C

Well that's a good start. All the nagios checks are timing out.

TheCleaner

Now I'm stuck looking up Hedberg quotes.
"I'm trying to raise money, to buy one of those machines that shows how much money has been raised." - man I miss that guy.

Nathan C

5:59 PM

It'd help if I actually started the nsclient service...

voretaq7

@Tanner I'd take their pasta over their pizza.

Tanner

@voretaq7 Had a cook forget to throw out last night's pasta. It had turned green in a mere 12 hours...

Ryan Ries

@Tanner Was it pesto?

;)

voretaq7

@Tanner their pizza starts our green. Cheese shouldn't be that color!

TheCleaner

@Chopper3 - did you ever post results of the discussion with the SE staff? Any actionable items, etc?

Nathan C

6:05 PM

Uh oh, nagios flooding inbound >.<

voretaq7

23

Q: Fibre channel long distance woes

I need a fresh pair of eyes. We're using a 15km fibre optic line across which fibrechannel and 10GbE is multiplexed (passive optical CWDM). For FC we have long distance lasers suitable up to 40km (Skylane SFCxx0404F0D). The multiplexer is limited by the SFPs which can do max. 4Gb fibrechannel. T...

I really wish I could help this guy, cuz he has a brain and stuff

Chopper3

@TheCleaner I didn't no, sorry, went away for a week - have the notes here, will get to it but not tonight sorry

@voretaq7 I know, love the dude

TheCleaner

@Chopper3 no worries here...just wondering if it simply died...

pauska

@voretaq7 lovely that answer you deleted

surely the weather or a sports event has to cause interference of a optic cable..

Dan

@voretaq7 Yeah, that's a quality question

Matt Bear

6:17 PM

I just got a whiteboard, I dunno why I'm so damn excited about it

4 screens, but I still prefer the white board for tracking shit

Ry Jones

@MattBear not a Whiteyboard? whiteyboard.com

voretaq7

@pauska it's good troubleshooting tips, but it's not an answer :)

Matt Bear

@RyJones nope, old school whiteboard :D

DanBig

0

Q: Need Help On a Cisco 3800 Series Router

I'm new to the IT field and have no networking skills and I'm having problems with a cisco router, it is a 3800 series. I tried to telnet into it and I could not and I tried using putty. Can you advise me on what my settings should be in hyperterminal and putty in case I have the wrong settings...

networking

Matt Bear

@RyJones haha the commercial for whiteyboard is funny... I was waiting the whole time for some whitey joke

which might of been the joke...

Ry Jones

6:23 PM

@MattBear they used to be a lot edgier

Matt Bear

wow...

►

Dan

YouTube comments:
`This is not the best solution. I agree with that. Putting an armed guard outside every classroom would be an optimal solution.`

Fuck you USA!

Michael Hampton

@Dan In the US many schools already have armed police on site, every day.

It's not common in primary schools yet though.

Danila Ladner

@DanBig If you new to IT field, you probably have no business fiddling with the router.

Ry Jones

@DanilaLadner how else will you learn? It's best to do the minimum to set the router up for your customer, then leave it alone for a decade while it's pwnd

Danila Ladner

6:35 PM

It is the same thing, I do not have real electric skills, but there is 480V welder stopped working, I've opened it up but see no clamp with "+" sign.

Matt Bear

►

found my new server room door

Danila Ladner

Cisco Packet Tracer

is the answer

Dan

@DanilaLadner To be fair, at some point you just have to jump. SF isn't the right place for those with that little experience, though

Danila Ladner

Right but not @point OP described in his question

Joel E Salas

I probably submit like 10 linux bugs a day

I'm the best QA tester because I have the worst fucking luck

Dan

6:45 PM

@DanilaLadner It's a shit question, but he says nothing about his situation. I've certainly jumped in on worse - I'm just clever enough to Google the fuck out of it and tell nobody ;)

TheCleaner

@RyJones I see a future IT Systems Director that "ran his own consulting firm for years"

Dang you people and your Cisco question...now I'm clicking related after related Q's on the side and closing them as shopping questions.

I don't have any close votes left...so maybe I should start a bounty on this one:

3

Q: Is 'Time Management for System Administrators' a good gift?

I'm thinking about getting this book for our sysadmins to help them deal with the constant interrupt nature of their jobs. What's your take on the book? Do you have any other recommendations on time management for sysadmins that the book doesn't cover adequately?

book time-management

Nathan C

7:03 PM

Question...why bother VTCing >3 year old posts?

they're dead anyway

Ry Jones

@NathanC less google cruft

TheCleaner

13

Q: Should we vote/close old Shopping questions?

I searched Meta hoping for a direct answer to this one, but so far I'm only finding semi-related Meta questions. Here's the sequence that led me to this question. I saw this question: 2-port dual monitor HDMI KVM switch? Which I voted to close as Not Constructive (Shopping). There was a relat...

discussion

Michael Hampton

@NathanC They attract opinionated answers and spam.

pauska

^

voretaq7

@NathanC Nothing wrong with voting to close them, but also absolutely no reason to go on witch hunts

@NathanC If you're spending your time going through the back catalog of Server Fault looking for things to close You're Doing It Wrong.

Michael Hampton

7:25 PM

There's more than enough stuff to close just on the front page every day.

And it's much more visible.

pauska

from a new discourse release:

"Animated GIF avatars are (thankfully) disabled by default, but if you hate yourself and your discussion community, you can optionally enable them … but if you do this, I want you to know that you are a bad person and you should feel bad. I’m just saying."

5

btw, @ewwhite - blog.discourse.org/2013/04/the-discourse-servers

read it and weep

both haproxies sharing a single PSU, two netgear switches (one of them isn't even plugged in, it's a "hot standby", a soho wifi router with dd-wrt as an VPN endpoint, supermicro, consumer SSD's and the list goes on and on

voretaq7

> Redundancy is essential for a router, because if this thing goes down, nothing will be accessible. So we looked into a “twin” server that has two complete servers inside sharing one power supply.

Redundancy. Jeff's DOING IT WRONG. :'(

pauska

Very, very wrong..

meta.discourse.org/t/the-discourse-servers/5898/40?u=pauska

voretaq7

I like Jeff, but this is an example of why developers shouldn't play sysadmin. I'm hoping they've rectified this architectural sin since that blog posting...

pauska

and "IPMI is great!"

I wonder if he ever tried to use a modern iLO

"Gigabit Ethernet hubs, cat6 cables, and a 1u power strip are all relatively inexpensive. I do recommend having two switches racked with one as a hot spare because if your switch dies, you are in big trouble!"

I want to believe that he wrote that tounge-in-cheek

Nathan C

7:36 PM

@voretaq7 Yeah, I only close the recent stuff.

voretaq7

@pauska IPMI is adequate

pauska

@voretaq7 same.. GREAT developer, and has a very special ability to understand what works and what doesn't work when it comes to user interaction

voretaq7

@pauska yes... now step back and let the pros build the architecture it will run on so it doesn't all come crashing down in the middle of the night

@pauska "hot spare" to me implies teamed NICs and failover

though my current environment isn't like that -- we're an A/B environment -- If I lose a switch I lose either A or B -- whatever's left up and running is what serves customers until the problem is fixed.

we SHOULD implement NIC failover. Maybe soon.

Nathan C

How often do switches fail?

We still have 10 year old 3com switches in service and they're running strong...

pauska

@voretaq7 meta.discourse.org/t/the-discourse-servers/5898/28?u=pauska

voretaq7

7:39 PM

@NathanC I had one go out earlier this year

pauska

"So if it is very urgent I would call them, they would disconnect and reconnect all the network cables to the hot spare secondary switch in the same order. Pretty easy, since both our live and hot spare are the exact same switch and stacked right on top of each other."

Nathan C

Don't a majority of "enterprise" switches have stuff like dual PSUs and such?

voretaq7

power supply went flaky

@NathanC "Carrier grade" switches have dual PSUs

Nathan C

Ah...

Tanner

> For small businesses, we want an easy $49.99 to $199.99 month hosting plan so you can just click a button, enter your credit card information, and set up forums.example.com in 15 minutes or less on our world-class hosting service. Sure there will be other hosts, and the more the merrier, but we'll always know how to host Discourse best because we wrote it.

voretaq7

7:39 PM

your average 1U 48 port packet-passer? not so much.

Nathan C

Yeah, I like @pauska's idea.

Have a hot spare, just flip cables on switch failure.

voretaq7

@pauska yeah I'd charge 1 hour per cable, off hours rate...

pauska

@NathanC or... dual-home the servers

voretaq7

"your switch failures make me rich man - we LOVE your company :-)"

pauska

or were you being sarcastic

it's late and I can't tell

Nathan C

7:41 PM

That too. We're going with that setup in our new plant.

voretaq7

I mean right now if I lose a switch that's what happens, we just stay up while cables are being moved :)

Nathan C

Two ESXi hosts, servers are clustered with each other.

pauska

I haven't seen a enterprise grade switch fail completely

I've seen software lockups, full TCAM (which results in the CPU going apeshit, and not letting you log in) etc

Nathan C

I'd imagine the switch would be cycled out because of EOL before anything hardware went in them

pauska

our core here is a pair of stacked 3750-X'es.. I kind of regret stacking them

stacking is great for edge transit switches, but not so great for a core

Nathan C

7:43 PM

Cables, cables everywhere.

voretaq7

You know what though?

pauska

@NathanC I've seen some terrible shit when it comes to 3com gear, particular their layer3 models

voretaq7

I don't care if Jeff is running the whole fucking thing on a raspberry pi

because he got this part right:

read-only access for a service whose sole interaction with Twitter should be authenticating me? You win the internet.

pauska

wow, a twitter app that doesn't auto-add new friends for you

never seen that before

voretaq7

@pauska because Jeff is smart, and most other developers are retarded cockbiting crackmonkeys,

pauska

7:45 PM

I just removed every single twitter app I had, and I'm not ever going to add one again

Nathan C

@pauska Eh, they were hand-me-downs from our parent company before they split.

pauska

got a bit tired of unfollowing 200+ people every week

Nathan C

We'd get all their old gear when they upgraded lol

pauska

@NathanC oh I'm not saying you've done something wrong

it's normal.. old gear tends to stick around

the first thing I did here was to replace the entire network infrastructure :P

Nathan C

yeah, they're 10/100s...

pauska

7:46 PM

I wish I knew more back then than I do now.. like not using desktop switches for data transport

Nathan C

Luckily next year we're finally going all gigabit

Danila Ladner

go for 10G skipping 1G -

Nathan C

11286 Hrs 50 Mins 48 Secs

Danila Ladner

-)

pauska

It's going to be exciting to follow Discourse when they start puzzling about their one billion packets per second platform seems unresponsive

Nathan C

7:47 PM

uptime of one of the core switches ^

pauska

I guess that netgear switch probably has a shared buffer pool of 64K or similar

Nathan C

amazon.com/3Com-SuperStack-Switch-24-Port-3C16985B-US/dp/… shiny!

lol

voretaq7

@pauska hey! Our core is netgear...

cheap, reasonably performant, and only one failure since we switched to them.

Nathan C

Our new place will be all CAT6...so we can go 10 gbit if we want to

pauska

@voretaq7 you are not serious..

Danila Ladner

7:50 PM

what netgear model as a core?

voretaq7

@pauska dead serious

Danila Ladner

yeah I did not hear a lot of netgear stuff serving as core

voretaq7

@DanilaLadner GS748T

@DanilaLadner our demands aren't that significant

Nathan C

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Q: Windows Server 2008 R2 show a list of all user logins without administrator access

Is it possible that a standard user connected to a Windows Server 2008 R2 Remote Desktop Server could get a list of user login dates and times without ANY admin privileges whatsoever? Is there some kind of powershell command that can be run perhaps?

windows-server-2008

Danila Ladner

I actually had that model installed on some side jobs, they still have it, it's been 5 years I think

Nathan C

7:53 PM

burn it with fire!

voretaq7

they're not bad switches as far as packet-pushing goes. the management interface is a fucking joke though, and their SNMP engine blows.

TheCleaner

You know you want to run a Huawei S6700 as your core switch @voretaq7 -- setec astronomy!

pauska

"Buffer memory: 1,632 KB embedded
memory per unit"

I'm not sure if we have the same idea of what a "core" is

Danila Ladner

yeah, the company I installed for did not really care about SNMP much

pauska

it's like saying that my airport extreme at home is my core

voretaq7

7:55 PM

@pauska if that's what you push all of your traffic through then yes, yes it is :-)

pauska

System Requirements
– Category 5 UTP network cables or
better
– Network card for each PC
– Network software (e.g., Windows®)

:-D

Cisco should add that as well, much less confusing!

voretaq7

It's certainly not something I would deploy at 5x our current traffic, but I also can't justify a shiny new 7000 series Cisco for the paltry amount of traffic we move

(hell I can't even justify a 2600 series Cisco for the traffic we move)

pauska

yeah, I know, I'm not trying to bash you

voretaq7

@pauska shut up and bash me - I can use that to try to get a CRS-3 :-)

@pauska Macs don't need network cards? THINK OF THE SAVINGS! :-D

TheCleaner

@NathanC I'm sure I'll get baleeted....but:

Yes. The admin could put the list of results in a text file on the user's desktop for them to access. — TheCleaner 40 secs ago

voretaq7

7:58 PM

@TheCleaner stop making work for other admins!