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12:05 AM
Is GNU Screen included in any the base installs of Solaris?
Anyway, I think this is probably OT, and belongs over on Unix & Linux. serverfault.com/questions/333427/…
 
 
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7:44 AM
G'day
OMG - read the comments serverfault.com/q/333427/9517 Diana is allowed near banking systems
 
@Iain Herpderp all around
 
8:00 AM
uname -sr; screen -v
SunOS 5.10
Screen version 4.00.02 (FAU) 5-Dec-03
so yeah....
 
I just checked one of my Solaris systems and it's not installed
@KennyRasschaert Where is that installed ?
 
8:13 AM
The binary is at /usr/local/bin/screen
We do have a habit of installing a lot of gnu userspace on those solaris boxes though
 
In that case it's probably been installed after the main solaris install
 
i was just trying to back up zoredache's point though
that it's very possible to use screen on solaris
 
Probably either built locally of from a package from sunfreeware.com
@KennyRasschaert I do too - it makes it so much easier to use
 
Also thank $DEITY for /usr/xpg4/bin/
I don't know what I'd do without a decent awk
 
8:45 AM
here's my day so far:
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Q: A dusty server room

pauskaHere's the story.. The owners of the building we lease office space from decided to do a renovation of the exterior. This involved in some pretty heavy work at the level where our server room is, including exchanging windows wich are fit inside a concrete wall. My red alert went off when I hear...

 
You have my condolences.
 
@pauska o_O
 
@pauska Auw
 
I guess its different when you're leasing building space :-( but here I'd just tell the building manager that the people who did that were not going to be allowed in the server rooms the first time I found the door unlocked. And he'd agree with me, too
 
@pauska Wow. Just read the question. Sucky.
 
8:52 AM
I just had a quick meeting with the building planner and our CTO
he put the white flag up immediatly
 
i can imagine you're furious
 
so now I just gotta figure out how to approach this
 
@pauska Get all the technicians in, make em check/clean all the equipment and send the bill to the building planner
 
Granted, servers can stand some dust, but concrete dust is a bit no-no. What happens if the room gets too warm and humid, or damp? If there's even the possibilty of the concrete solidifying, even in minute accounts, I'd want the whole lot replaced. That's probably quite expensive/a bit of a pain, so I'd go with getting some service personell out from the respective suppliers and bill it to the owenser of the building.
 
what @tombull89 said
 
9:03 AM
thats the thing, we dont have enterprise grade air conditioning etc
theres always a risk of our inverter failing, wich will lead to moist air
im going to probably write up a plan for both scenarious
cleaning and buying it all new
 
the question is whether or not the hardware warranty will still be valid after a clean up
 
9:18 AM
thats why im also calling our suppliers
 
Would you consider adding the bit about the air con to the question?
 
9:50 AM
Hello SysAdmin's
@pauska Sorry to hear about your dust issues dude, hope you get them resolved
 
10:41 AM
thanks
nice message from dell: "Power off all the servers"
Well, sorry - we don't have the DR site up yet, so no go...
 
@pauska Ouch. I don't envy you there. Much sympathy.
Also: Any chance Dell would invalidate your warranty if you don't power them off?
 
who knows.. we just have to take the chance
I also found a big water stain right in front of one of the racks 15 minutes ago
wich wasnt there yesterday
this is just getting worse.. god help me
 
11:17 AM
@SmallClanger Yeah my experience with Dell says the warrenty will be invalidated if you don't follow their instructions. It happened too us once
Of course if the support tech isn't a complete douche canoe they should let you off.
 
 
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12:24 PM
I've stuck a 150 bounty on this one, let's see if it gets any response from the SE team.
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Q: Regarding Stack Exchange-wide chat moderation

Thomas WardThere seems to be a lack of policies from what I can tell regarding how moderators moderate the chat system. I was recently flagged (and subsequently suspended) for certain language, which another chat moderator reversed. The meta regarding this is here: AutoSuspension from Chat for "Inappr...

 
UPVOTE (almost) ALL THE COMMENTS
 
Oh, that guy. He used to hang out in the DMZ. A few of us found him embarrassingly annoying. Kind of like when your little brother tagged along in elementary school.
 
12:53 PM
just got word from EMC
 
and?
 
no warranty, no support
we basically got to buy a new san
 
wince...and an EMC SAN doesn't come cheap.
 
this one was $100k
 
@tombull89 perhaps tag it as a feature request too?
 
12:56 PM
I hope you had something on paper about the temporary wall/shutting the door.
 
yes, both written and about 20 witnesses at the information meeting when the construction plans were released
And who can blame EMC anyways... it's in the contract, they get to sell another SAN and they minimize the risk of having to give us more hardware/support than normal.
 
@pauska Should be easy getting it replaced/financed by the construction workers then, no?
 
@BartDeVos We're pushing it through our own insurance company, wich will again issue egress against the construction company's insurance company
 
That's one hell of an expensive wall...
@RobMoir Done.
 
@pauska Reasonable :)
 
1:08 PM
atleast I get a $100k SAN for lab'ing...
 
or - if everything needs to be replaced - $227k of lab gear
 
1:26 PM
I'm guessing that the building contractor will remember to ensure that doors are shut next time
 
My Employeez be Stealin' ma Data!
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Q: Data leak prevention and HTTPS issues

chmeeeI've been looking at several data leak/loss prevention suites but, in their documentation, I'm unable to find how they treat HTTPS. One of the 'leakage vectors' is sending information to webapps through HTTPS. In which case, the only way to detect the leakage would be to decrypt it. But, to do ...

Probably not, @tombull89
(re: chat moderation)
I think their general attitude on chat is that chat is "just chat"
It was a feature that they used internally for work and were surprised that anyone on the site actually used it, so I get the feeling that chat is only begrudgingly kept around for anyone outside their offices.
 
You can restrict rooms, can't you?
 
@BartSilverstrim SOlution: Sack all of your employees. You clearly don't trust them to handle the data they need to access to do their job, so you're better off without them.
 
Employees are so annoying. They're like users sometimes.
Alwayz steelin' ma data.
I'm surprised they don't just say (regarding chat) that you're free to right click/ignore this user to fix things you'd otherwise flag.
 
@tombull89 meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/112691/… - I've edited my reply with a suggested change to maybe kick of some discussion for you
I do think people need to flag less and ignore more in chat, myself
 
1:34 PM
I wasn't even aware that there were a lot of flags being thrown around here.
 
Well, you know, some of you have avatars that annoy me and other times you just throw a lot of boob references around. That sort of thing is SO off topic for serverfault that I just have to flag you for it.
 
Frankly I'm surprised I haven't been banned yet. I somehow manage to stay under the radar
 
1:38 PM
52 secs ago, by pauska
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Cache all the data, I'm currently in the middle of discussions where I have to prove why we should cache our data outside of our massively over worked SQL Server. Showing a 180% increase in performance caching a single page on our app apparently wasn't enough.

Occording to my source, no one in a professional IT place uses in memory caching.... *Facepalm*
 
@ITHedgeHog I've heard things like this. Our CFO had heard this from his son...
And he must be right...
because, hey, he's 14 and his son...
 
If you cache the farmville, youll load your fibre faster than if you were to defrag the SSD.
 
'sup
 
1:45 PM
C H A T C E P T I O N
6 mins ago, by Holocryptic
52 secs ago, by pauska
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@ITHedgeHog: um...yeah...okay...
They're aware that memory is faster than disk access, yeah?
 
@BartSilverstrim Lies perpetuated by the media
 
Wish I could tell you were I was just listening to or reading a bit about databases in a company that are almost entirely contained in memory for performance reasons...thinking it might be tied to MongoDB.
 
@RobMoir Cheers. Sounds like a good suggestion.
5 mins ago, by Shads0
6 mins ago, by Holocryptic
52 secs ago, by pauska
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1:55 PM
Yay! free flag weight!
 
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Q: Mod_ReWrite: Unwanted redirect

user1058903Mod_Rewrite is redirecting. RewriteRule ^viewPage/([^/]+)/([^/]+)/$ /viewPage.php?ID=$1&Title=$2 [NC,L] Typing in www.domain/viewPage/123/abc/ is returning back www.domain/viewPage.php?ID=123&Title=abc I don't want the page to redirect from www.domain/viewPage/123/abc/ to www.dom...

WTF top to bottom...
Multiple accounts too....
 
Flaggy flaggy flaggy
 
PUT IT ON THE PHONE!
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Q: What ways to host a service are there except owning a server or renting a cloud service virtual machine?

sharptoothSuppose I want to host some web-service - a bunch of code that will accept HTTP requests, do something useful and serve results as web pages. AFAIK there're two options. I could buy a server and host it at my office/home/whatever or at a colocation facility. Or I could rent a virtual machine in ...

He...didn't say put it on his phone?
 
Did someone castrate TomTom?
 
@BartSilverstrim Of course he knows that. But AppFabric isn't just memory is it... its one of these new fangled 21st Centuary products.
Basically I think he fears my next step will be NoSQL!
 
2:05 PM
NOSQL! MAKE HIM CRY UNQL!
 
How is this +37 when it should be closed
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Q: Where does email sent to *@example.com go?

bryan kennedySo I've wondered this for a long time. Where does email sent to *@example.com go? If I accidentally sent sensitive information to *@example.com would some evil person (potentially at the IANA) be able to retrieve it someday?

 
Well, its off to the CTO when he returns
 
Is it just me or is there another influx of HerpDerp today?
 
@MarkM it came from SO - I noticed it on the HOT list this morning
 
I can't deploy a memory cache until then...
 
2:09 PM
@ITHedge: what's the plan? Guerrilla memory cache it, then wait and point out later that you single handedly fixed their problems with IT ninjitsu?
 
Well.... its already deployed, in production and my new projects use it.
I could turn off their caching but unless theres a problem I won't.
I think someone thinks I was asking permission to memory cache, I wasn't I was telling them.
Oh well.
 
If it's already using memory caching, why was there a question about it?
And how'd you have to demonstrate that it was helping?
 
I wonder if TomTom is regretting his SmartPhoneServer idea?
 
@tombull89 Why would he?
 
... surely I'd have no idea.
 
2:22 PM
Because any time he answers on a semi-webhosting-related question there's always a HOST IT ON A SMARTPHONE!?!!11!!one! comment on it.
 
Does he know he's like a patron saint of the SF chat?
 
@BartSilverstrim I think he avoids chat because of that.
 
But...we like him.
 
@tombull89 Lately he's been making those comments
 
What comments?
 
2:27 PM
@BartSilverstrim We like him because he doesn't talk like that to us
@BartSilverstrim I dunno, there have been a few comments lately where he's made reference to his smartphone
 
WE LIKE HIM. Maybe his smartphone has pony pictures on it.
 
In such a way that I think he knows it's reached meme status
 
This place is like pony central every weekend. It's strange as hell.
 
That pretty well sums him up.
 
2:30 PM
@BartSilverstrim Because I was told to demo it as a this is what we're doing, and the senior developer has turned it in to, you must convince me before I allow this.
Ignoring the fact its done.
As the boss is away, Senior dev can make my life hell ;)
 
Its a common problem, I'm the IT Cowboy ;)
 
Is that another way of saying you act like an ass to them to provoke them?
 
Sung to the tune of "I'm the unknown stuntman"?
 
No, well not intentionally.
I'm the guy you speak too when you need a solution quickly. The other guys you go to when we've got 6 months to consider before deploying.
The fact I was Infrastrucuture Manager gets up his nose, I lost 'years' of development time
It rankles him that I'm now back to developing and I've got a catalogue of systems engineering tricks to deliver projects
 
2:45 PM
DevOps :)
 
Pretty much
But thats a no no word too ;)
 
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A: Where does email sent to *@example.com go?

seanp2kexample.com has no MX record, so your SMTP server on the sending domain should bounce the message if configured as most SMTP servers are. EDIT: for clarity to those who find this answer in the future, here is an explanation of what an MX record is: (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mx_record re...

 
That comic is funny because it made me realize I needed to stop doing that.
Now I find most people on the Internet are just funny, where the diagram between funny and pathetic intersect.
 
Wow, did you see @pauska's question this morning?
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Q: Construction workers filled my SAN with concrete and mineral dust

pauskaEDIT2: EMC has dropped our warranty and support, so this is going to be an insurance case. Don't know how HP/Dell/Cisco will respond yet. Here's the story.. The owners of the building we lease office space from decided to do a renovation of the exterior. This involved in some pretty heavy work ...

 
@MarkM Yup. +1'd it when I woke.... We had something similar (all server and network gear, no SAN) when they demo'd and rebuilt our NO. Constrution Co swore they could protect our gear, district refused the outages to move it all (and wouldn't pay to temporarily store it all somewhere else for 30 days)....
 
2:53 PM
Ouch. So EMC said it's not their fault now because of the work being done.
 
Yeah, while I would be annoyed about dust in the serves, concrete dust is another thing, especially if you get humid or damp conditions.
YAY lumps of concrete on motherboard! RAM! heatsinks!
 
Ya, not shocked that EMC dropped support.
 
Pauska: "Hi, yeah, we're got concrete dust in our SAN, can you suggest anything or is there anything we can do?"
EMC: "lol, no. NEW SAN TIEM MONEY PLZZZZZ"
 
We should probably wait a couple days before razzing him for not moving them. He's probably not in the best mood right now...right?...
 
you are very correct
this is probably one of the worst days in my working life
 
3:01 PM
2 hours ago, by pauska
atleast I get a $100k SAN for lab'ing...
 
Um...oh...hi Pauska.
...Hope you have a happy Thanksgiving?
 
small consolation...right? riiiight?
 
@pauska at the worst, insurance will cover it, right?
 
@MarkM we're pushing it all on them, so hopefully they will cover it
And yes, I wish we had a spare server room, a spare A/C unit, spare core switches, spare fibre connections etc, but this small business with onsite server room
I'll tell you one thing though.. I'm going to push hard for colo rack space..
Our Cisco partner has responded with a "maybe". They might send someone to open up the gear to see if it's damaged.
Dell told us to clean it with professional partners, but I havent gotten a written guarantee about that. HP is still silent.
and fuck, I forgot to call APC
 
@pauska I don't envy you the hassle you're about to endure in the coming days/weeks/months.
 
3:09 PM
the "silly" part is that there probably wasnt enough dust to make any real damages
but it doesnt help us, as we -need- to have warranty on everything
@MikeyB yep, this sucks.. gotta be done tho.
 
APC has been pretty good in the past to us.
Well, me.
 
yeah, I got the same feelings about them.. always helpful and professional
and honestly, a big ass UPS should be taking lots of beating without failing
 
3:29 PM
I blowed an APC up once. They replaced it free.
Said it shouldn't have blowed up like that.
I switched two wires around while reconnecting a power switch on a PC and somehow that blew up the APC backup.
 
3:42 PM
@KyleBrandt, what do you need bribing with to get the "chat" link kept at the top of the page when a new blog post is made?
 
or.. get the new blog post stuff to track your user id instead of session
annoying that I have to open up the blog both at work and home
 
@BartSilverstrim I blowed up an MGE UPS once. It lead to a chain of events that made the datacenter dark, warm & quiet
 
@tombull89 @pauska @BartSilverstrim google.com/support/chrome/bin/answer.py?answer=95739
IE is for self mutilators. So people like me, basically.
 
@Holocryptic Or the people who are fored to use IE by lockdown/workplace policy...
 
@Holocryptic Huh? How is that related to my question?
 
3:51 PM
@pauska For when the chat link is not there
 
@tombull89: Convince someone on Meta -- not my call
 
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good afternoon fuckers
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It's still morning
 
@Chopper3 I'm not sure I could find anything offensive coming from you. I mean, how could I, what with the senility?
 
3:53 PM
@ChrisS Or very after yesterday's noon. :)
 
Welcome to SF chat, where verbal abuse gets stars instead of flags...
Afternoon @Chopper3
 
verbal abuse is relative
 
I'm sure he meant it with the kindest of intentions. =]
 
@ScottPack don't joke, my brain is indeed failing
 
@Chopper3 I hear the looks are the first thing to go. ...
 
3:55 PM
@ChrisS that's me, a kind man
 
Phone blocks.....are spaghetti.....fuck me
 
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Q: setting static ipv6 address in ubuntu

SztupYI'm trying to add an ipv6 address to an already existing interface, which previouosly only had ipv4. This is my config: auto lo iface lo inet loopback auto eth8 iface eth8 inet static address 88.**.**.** netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 88.**.**.** iface eth8 inet6 static pre-up modprope...

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