Root Access

@Bob @TomWijsman At this point, considering how terrible the upgrade experience has been for most people, I'm probably just going to wait until the weekend (at the earliest) to see if MSFT has any patches/fixes in the first couple days for upgrade issues.

Tom Wijsman

@allquixotic 1) Find some Microsoft Windows 10 downloader link somewhere in the comments of a Reddit thread. 2) Download it. 3) Freeze the process after it has the ESD file. 4) Turn that ESD file into an ISO file with some convertor you find on GitHub. 5) Burn that ISO on USB. 6) Run the setup from USB (in your booted Windows). 7) Remove files and registry entries for software not in your software list. 8) It finally manages to install.

allquixotic

@TomWijsman Sounds about right :D

Tom Wijsman

Because Windows Update and the Downloader itself fail miserably it only really works for me if you just launch it in its DVD / USB format.

Journeyman Geek

there's a direct link to the ISO

jane

1:19 PM

@TomWijsman how's windows 10? is it better than windows 8.1?

Tom Wijsman

Now you can figure out how much fun I'll have the coming days being a PC technician.

@jane The first ironic thing I found somewhere in the new control panel is a way to downgrade back to 8.1 within a month only.

It first looked a bit like fifty windows of grey, until I found out there's a Windows 10 blue theme that looks way better.

No Cortona for Belgium; so, meh...

Other than that it looks good for me so I won't be bothered by it.

I still have to get a little bit used to the changes in Windows Explorer.

And I'm not sure if I'll get myself converted to the Edge browser, probably will experiment with that later.

jane

That's funny, I was thinking of upgrading as well, but to hear that there's a downgrade button, I think it's better to stay in windows 8.1 for a while. lols.

Tom Wijsman

It's nice that they provide it.

GFSE

GemsFromStackExchange: If you choose poorly, you’re in for a heap of trouble.

posted on July 29, 2015

If you choose poorly, you’re in for a heap of trouble.

Tom Wijsman

If I somehow get bored in two weeks, it comes in handy.

jane

1:22 PM

and windows 8.1 is still kinda shitty, I still prefer windows 7 but I'm too lazy to reinstall everything.. lols

Psycogeek

"Gabriel Aul, confirmed via Twitter that those who prefer to perform a fresh install of Windows 10 instead of working with an upgraded version can do so at any point, , , , once they have received a license via the free upgrade initiative." And why cant they just get that via some Microsoft upgrade Licence site ?

allquixotic

woah, cool.. @Bob ovh.com/us/dedicated-servers/game/…

Huy

Did anyone find a fix to the "something happened" error using the media creation tool yet?

Journeyman Geek

yup

Huy

Can you tell me? :P

Journeyman Geek

1:26 PM

trying the nuke the temp folder and try again method

oh

Fix? no

Huy

Been trying to install Win10 for the previous 7 hours.

Journeyman Geek

you can download the ISO I guess?

Link's pinned

trying reddit.com/r/windows/comments/3eyrre/… now

Huy

I tried that several times too, without any success. :(

Tom Wijsman

@JourneymanGeek The error he gets is from the tool in that link.

Journeyman Geek

There's no tool

Tom Wijsman

1:27 PM

@JourneymanGeek I'd advise not wasting time on that.

Journeyman Geek

there's an ISO

Huy

The size of the downloaded update seemed to become larger by ~2GB after every attempt.

DragonLord

Trying again, this time on a much faster Internet connection at my college campus.

Tom Wijsman

@JourneymanGeek microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 --> "Download Tool Now (32/64-bit version)" buttons

The link forwards me to the above page; if you get something different, it's probably region based.

Journeyman Geek

Look closely at the link

Huy

1:28 PM

Yes, I can also only download the two versions of the tool, following that link.

Journeyman Geek

With the ISO at the end?

Huy

Yes.

Tom Wijsman

The ISO is probably for a specific region in the USA; if we visit it, we get a tool to download our copy for our region / language / version / whatever...

Awal Garg

hello

Journeyman Geek

0_0

IT GAVE ME AN ISO IN LINUX

Tom Wijsman

1:29 PM

@Huy At what point do you get that error?

Journeyman Geek

@TomWijsman: happens as soon as you run it

Tom Wijsman

It doesn't even download anything?

Journeyman Geek

Nope

Tom Wijsman

How's that even possible. :-/

Journeyman Geek

Damn it MS. This is like waving cheese in front of a wauzer on antibiotics.

Tom Wijsman

1:31 PM

@Huy: @JourneymanGeek: You might be able to use the ESD file you get from Windows Update to create an ISO.

Huy

@TomWijsman: If I use the media creation tool I have two options: 1) upgrade PC, 2) use an external device (USB/DVD). When I choose 1, I get that error immediately. When I choose 2 and my USB device, it downloads to 100%, then does two more steps and then in the middle of it stops and the error comes up.

Journeyman Geek

I have the english language ISO downloaded

Tom Wijsman

Oh ok, Huy only then.

Journeyman Geek

@TomWijsman: I have an iso

Awal Garg

Hey I guess not enough people would have asked this today so... Can I use my windows 8.1 key to install windows 10 in a VM from the direct ISO?

allquixotic

1:32 PM

Is it perfectly ordinary to run SODIMM PC3-12800 (DDR3-1600) at DDR3-1333 (PC3-10666) speeds? Can pretty much any decent stick of RAM clock down from 1600 to 1333?

Tom Wijsman

@AwalGarg Shouldn't take long to just try it. But you might be able to install 8.1 in the VM first, then run an upgrade to 10 straight away.

Journeyman Geek

sure

allquixotic

(running a Sandy Bridge i5 and thinking of upgrading to 2 x 8 GiB sticks, but CPU only supports 1333 MHz DDR3)

Awal Garg

@TomWijsman I live in India and bandwidth sucks here, so downloading the iso will take a few internet years. I can either upgrade, or download an iso.

Psycogeek

@Huy wow that is a seriously stupid way to have a media creation tool work (ny microsoft).

Huy

1:35 PM

I actually find the whole upgrade process really annoying.

Tom Wijsman

@Huy Uhm, no, you can use some ISO mounting software as an alternative.

@Huy Imagine me spending 1 hour yesterday evening, then another 2 hours this morning.

Huy

@TomWijsman: I'd need an ISO first, which I can't get on the starred link.

Journeyman Geek

which language version?

Huy

German.

Tom Wijsman

@Huy The tool gives you an ESD file somewhere in a C:\$WINDOWS.WS folder. You can turn that ESD file into an ISO file with some tool you can find online.

Huy

1:36 PM

@TomWijsman: Actually, when I'd start the tool, the Windows.BT and .WS folders would decrease in size immediately.

(the media creation tool by Microsoft)

How do I know whether the Windows.BT/.WS folders are ready already? What size should they have?

Tom Wijsman

(Converting the file is not a legit Microsoft way to do it, but the only way I managed to eventually do the upgrade to obtain a legit Windows. >_<)

@Huy Because it downloads it again when you run it again.

.BT is used for Windows Update and for the actual installation. .WS is used for anything the Tool does.

@Huy After you have the ESD file it will unpack it into a Windows folder (which will look somewhat like the contents of a Windows installation medium)

I basically froze the process at that point such that I could convert ESD to ISO instead of unpacking it.

Because somehow the unpacked version that the tool runs itself afterwards is broken.

Journeyman Geek

Now its frozen on 'preparing for installation'

Swell

Tom Wijsman

And through an ISO it works. Strange, but the reality for me.

@JourneymanGeek Sounds good...

allquixotic

damnitttttttttttt someone has hash browns from McDonalds in here and it's making me hungry... I'm trying to diet here and I smell golden brown fried potato.. -_- it calls to me

Tom Wijsman

Installation took a while for me.

Journeyman Geek

1:40 PM

lol

Huy

I have an Install.esd roughly 2.65GB large. Should that already be the complete file?

allquixotic

> It looks like you're trying to diet here and you smell golden brown fried potato.

Would you like help?

Yes, please!No, thanks.

Tom Wijsman

@Huy Yes, that sounds about right.

Journeyman Geek

looks like it started

Huy

@TomWijsman: Getting an ISO using that ESD, will I still be able to only upgrade and not fresh install?

DragonLord

1:41 PM

@allquixotic, please bring the chatbot back online.

Tom Wijsman

@Huy Yes.

Huy

@TomWijsman: Can you tell me which tool you used?

Journeyman Geek

@Huy try software-download.microsoft.com/pr/…

Tom Wijsman

@Huy Doing it the sophisticated way I did my Windows 10 desktop and user folder and games and stuff look and work the same they did on Windows 8.1.

Huy

@TomWijsman: What do you mean by that?

Tom Wijsman

1:43 PM

@Huy github.com/gus33000/ESD-Decrypter/releases/tag/1.0.1.6

Just drag the .ESD file on top of the .BAT file and follow along (pick option 1).

@Huy I mean that I didn't lose anything in the process.

It's not a clean install, it's an effective upgrade where you get to keep everything you had on Windows 8.1.

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic heh.stay strong!

allquixotic

@DragonLord I don't really have the time to look into what's wrong with it right now. I can start it, but it won't show up in the room. I think they changed the authentication stuff and it broke my Selenium code.

I can look into running it with Zirak's node script though (ugh)

Journeyman Geek

yay!

The reddit thing worked

@allquixotic: if you need the english iso let me know

Tom Wijsman

@JourneymanGeek Saw some page on reddit where all the different ISO files were linked to, not sure whether I could find that back. But yes, there are straight link.

allquixotic

gonna need to merge Zirak's codebase into mine

DragonLord

1:47 PM

Main Windows 10 image downloaded.

Tom Wijsman

@Huy: In the event that you use Journeyman's link, please verify whether you have the normal or the pro version of your current OS.

DragonLord

The college WiFi is 25 Mbps while my connection at home is <1 Mbps :(

Journeyman Geek

@TomWijsman: that link gives me an Installer in windows and an ISO in linux

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek :P at work I'm probably gonna uninstall and delete all personal stuff from the main Windows OS and run everything in a Windows 10 VM

Huy

@TomWijsman: Do I need to extract the ISO to a USB or just to my PC ?

allquixotic

1:48 PM

already have VMware installed, just didn't really have enough RAM to do it comfortably

Tom Wijsman

Oh, by the way, talking about downloads, I must've downloaded Windows 10 at least 10 times with my attempts to get things to work. 8-)

allquixotic

once I get 16 GiB I'll be able to do it comfortably

Journeyman Geek

heh

allquixotic

@TomWijsman You are a monster. You've downloaded something 10 times that other people are still waiting for the first time of.

Damn northern Europeans and their ridiculous internet connections

Tom Wijsman

@Huy I used Windows DVD/USB Download Tool to put it on USB. Any ISO to USB tool suffices, really.

Journeyman Geek

1:49 PM

@allquixotic: ._.

Tom Wijsman

Alternative you could mount the ISO using some kind of virtual drive tool.

Huy

That's what I thought. Let's see if this works.

Journeyman Geek

took me about 5 minutes to download

DragonLord

@allquixotic The problem is how internet works in the US. The FCC is trying to fix it but it's an uphill fight against ISPs.

Tom Wijsman

@JourneymanGeek It was on my system before I noticed it started to download. :S

DragonLord

1:50 PM

Infrastructure is owned by and can be exclusively used by one ISP.

Tom Wijsman

@allquixotic Yeah, in Steam it peaks around 19 MB/s. :D It's a server connection though. :S

Psycogeek

as many people that are downloading and re-downloading the thing, why isnt Microsoft servers crippled by now?

Huy

@TomWijsman: I got an ISO using your ESD decrypter... It's called Windows10_Pro_InsiderPreview__de_10240.iso. WTF?

DragonLord

@Psycogeek The CDNs are already overworked.

blog.streamingmedia.com/2015/07/…

Tom Wijsman

@Huy Don't mind the InsiderPreview. 10240 is the final build. It's just a thing that's in the tool.

Huy

1:51 PM

Are you sure?

Lots like this: "is 10240 the final build". No. It's a near-final build that's on new PCs, but we've done lots of fixes since then.

Tweeted by joebelfiore on July 29, 2015 at 3:59 AM

DragonLord

The Windows 10 download includes both the main system image and several key updates to fix bugs.

Tom Wijsman

@Huy extremetech.com/computing/…

DragonLord

Download seems to be done on my end. Hang on...

System seems to be preparing for installation.

Tom Wijsman

@Huy It's just a file name given by the converter. The ESD it comes from is RTM.

allquixotic

ok I'm going to do a Zirak->allquixotic merge for SO-ChatBot

then try to deploy it with his node script

that SHOULD fix the issues

Tom Wijsman

1:54 PM

!!no

allquixotic

..........

it's not up yet. :P

Psycogeek

lol

DragonLord

Dism Servicing Host Process and Modern Setup Host are busy preparing the completed download for installation.

Huy

Ok, let's see if this works. Got it on my USB device.

Tom Wijsman

@Huy: If you want to confirm, ask someone here for the header of his systeminfo output.

DragonLord

1:57 PM

Rebooting the Dragon.

Tom Wijsman

OS Name:                   Microsoft Windows 10 Pro
OS Version:                10.0.10240 N/A Build 10240

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek @DragonLord @TomWijsman Do any of you think it would be a good idea to write and maintain a GitHub Gist and pin it on the starwall with a sort of "FAQ" about the day-zero Windows 10 upgrade process?

I don't have the knowledge yet since I haven't upgraded personally, but there's a lot of info in the chat scattered in here so far

Tom Wijsman

@allquixotic Maybe, depends on how soon they'll fix the upgrade issues.

allquixotic

maybe we can also include links to third-party sites that have useful info

Tom Wijsman

Full screen games ALT+TAB to Windows and back is lightning fast now.

allquixotic

2:00 PM

@TomWijsman new WDDM layer helped, I guess?

I hope the hell that works on AMD and not just Nvidia

that will make crossfire awesome again

Tom Wijsman

NVIDIA here, so no idea about AMD.

allquixotic

(provided the games I play actually work with crossfire)

Psycogeek

I just checked again, it simply exists after 2 seconds or so with the message "Something happened." (in Dutch). It says this twice actually. — Jeroen Bollen 3 mins ago

DragonLord

Several drivers were installed. Can't install Windows 10 just yet. Not sure what's going on.

allquixotic

Isn't it always true at any given instant, within any span of time, until the ultimate heat-death of the universe, that "something happened"?

Psycogeek

2:02 PM

global something happened even

Hennes

also after the heat death? Since we will still have virtual particals popping in and out of existence.

allquixotic

@Hennes hadrons?

Hennes

No, more basic iirc

superuser.com/review/suggested-edits/406622

Somebody copied a press release ?

allquixotic

@TomWijsman if it doesn't help with AMD, I may have to get that 980 Ti after all >_>

Tom Wijsman

Gotta love the light blue lines below the icons on the start bar, looks much more modern like this.

allquixotic

2:04 PM

NOW I WANNA UPGRADE D:

DragonLord

Installation Ready: The following updates are downloaded and ready for installation. This computer is currently scheduled to install these updates on ‎Wednesday, ‎July ‎29, ‎2015 at 10:12 AM:
- Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro

Event logs. Just gotta wait a few minutes.

I'm going home now.

Download is complete and Windows 10 is ready to be installed.

Journeyman Geek

lol

@allquixotic maybe

and yes

allquixotic

maybe what? I need a reply!

Journeyman Geek

it literally says something happened

having a collected set of information is nice

allquixotic

support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3016536

Blog bot

2:12 PM

“Why are there so many programming languages?”

Matt Sherman on July 29, 2015

I was asked this question twice in the past week, by colleagues who work with our clients. It’s a great question…

allquixotic

holy god, VS2015 installs tons of dependencies

Psycogeek

@DragonLord uhh yea but didnt you say that before too ?

Tom Wijsman

@allquixotic Yeah, a screen full off software in the software list. :S

@DragonLord You should get the ISO or ESD mate, don't trust Windows Update.

@allquixotic Yes, what!

Journeyman Geek

.

-ahh shit

video card drives are FUBAR

Psycogeek

Journeyman Geek

2:21 PM

Networking seems down too

Psycogeek

That is undoubtedly the improved error clarification that is in windows 10, if you could hear "Cortana" it would explain exactally what is wrong , and how to correct it :-)

Journeyman Geek

rebooted and networking is back up

Psycogeek

Just say "Windows" WTF happend , into the microphone :-)

Huy

@TomWijsman: Worked. Thanks!

@TomWijsman: Can't seem to activate Windows though, did it automatically activate for you or anything I need to do?

Says the license wasn't found or is not valid, I used a dreamspark version of Win8.

Tom Wijsman

@Huy It reads "Windows is activated."

Make sure all the automatic services are started. Then refresh the system page of the control panel.

If you don't suceed in that, you might need to look up some slmgr.vbs tricks to get the activation going manually.

@Huy: But hmm, not sure if Dreamspark versions of Windows 8 are valid for an upgrade.

Huy

2:33 PM

@TomWijsman: They should be.

Tom Wijsman

@Huy Do you know whether it falls under OEM, Retail, VLK, ...?

Journeyman Geek

they are

Mine's dreamspark, worked fine

DragonLord

> Installation Failure: Windows failed to install the following update with error 0x80240020: Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro.

Journeyman Geek

@DragonLord: I had that

Tom Wijsman

17 mins ago, by Tom Wijsman

@DragonLord You should get the ISO or ESD mate, don't trust Windows Update.

Journeyman Geek

2:34 PM

reddit.com/r/windows/comments/3eyrre/…

this worked for me

Tom Wijsman

@DragonLord You might be able to find the ESD in the \Windows.BT folder

(Note that Journeyman's advice redownloads it, if your connection allows it.)

DragonLord

tenforums.com/windows-updates-activation/…

Guess what? That worked.

Empty the C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download folder. Don't delete the Download folder proper, just the contents.

Journeyman Geek

@DragonLord: Thats PRECISELY what my reddit link said

DragonLord

PSA: If your system downloads Windows 10 but fails to install it with error 0x80240020, empty the contents of (but do not the delete) the C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download folder, then run` wuauclt.exe /updatenow` in an elevated command prompt.

2

Tom Wijsman

@DragonLord Or just give up.

9 hours ago, by Michael Hampton

Reservation not working? 80240020 your unlucky number? Get an ISO https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO

51 mins ago, by Tom Wijsman

Oh, by the way, talking about downloads, I must've downloaded Windows 10 at least 10 times with my attempts to get things to work. 8-)

Hmm, can't adjust icons on my task bar.

DragonLord

2:43 PM

Downloading again. It'll be a long wait.

Tom Wijsman

Can't right click to unpin them, how does this work?

DragonLord

Looks like it'll work this time.

Tom Wijsman

@DragonLord Looked like it worked 10 times... nope. :D

Huy

@TomWijsman: I can but it lags a bit.

Psycogeek

now you all broke steam too

Huy

2:48 PM

@TomWijsman: Is there a way to get the start menu to open on my secondary screen when focus is currently on my secondary screen? It seems to open always on my primary screen, despite focus.

Psycogeek

guess someone has thier system up and running downloading thier 250gig of games again.

Tom Wijsman

@Huy Dunno, working on one screen now. Try right clicking the task bar and then properties.

Journeyman Geek

heh

Same issue on my laptop

GG MS

Tom Wijsman

Guessing if there would be a setting it would be in a similar location as Windows 8(.1).

Gonna reboot to see if that fixes the right click issue.

Probably a first boot has some first boot issues if you know what I mean... ^_^

Journeyman Geek

yup

Psycogeek

3:02 PM

0

Q: Can't install nvidia driver on windows 10

I've installed Windows 10. Then I tried to install the driver for my nvidia card (gtx 750) but it failed. At first restart the resolution became really high (1920x1080) so it seemed like the driver was installed successfully. Then suddenly black screen. I've restarted the computer and it went bac...

Sure it is a longstanding problem, but some people on the web are suggesting that the win10 updates will conflict with the manufactures driver and set it back to the windows update one.

Plus some noise about a failure due to dueling drivers

Nate Kerkhofs

3:18 PM

I'm trying to run the Windows 10 update tool. I select "update this computer now" and then I get "something happened"

allquixotic

@NateKerkhofs please read up in chat

Psycogeek

@NateKerkhofs what i am getting so far is it is better to snag the ISO , and do an "in Place Upgrade" this will still do the upgrade thing providing a key.

Generally "in place upgrade" methods are also a type of lapped install, or repair install kind of thing where you do not lose your user data and layout. although anyone messing with it who has not already secured thier user data and other software licencing , and a clone of thier working system, is basically nuts anyways

Nate Kerkhofs

I can apparently choose 2 versions of Windows Home: Windows 10 Home N and Windows 10 Home without N

DragonLord

This time around, I'm at my local coffeehouse

Seems to be working now, but it'll still take a while

The WiFi is a bit slower here at 15 Mbps

I can't spend too much time on the streets due to a heat wave lasting several days

allquixotic

!!info

DragonLord

3:30 PM

@allquixotic Chatbot doesn't seem to be in the room.

Are you sure it's logged into the chat?

allquixotic

@DragonLord I wonder if the account got banned?

let me try manually

ChatBot John Cavil

this is me, logged in manually

allquixotic

going over to talk to Zirak

GFSE

GemsFromStackExchange: What, is riding on a sled not pleasurable enough?

posted on July 29, 2015

What, is riding on a sled not pleasurable enough?

rlemon

halp! win10 is being a bitch! what2do

atm, "KB2952664 is not installed"

when I goto install it, it tells me it is installed. :(

DragonLord

3:42 PM

!!/info

Nate Kerkhofs

All windows updates are installed, I assume?

rlemon

@NateKerkhofs yes

DragonLord

Not working.

rlemon

WOA!

I see flags on chat.se?!

nice

one step at a time.

DragonLord

@rlemon If you have 10k total reputation network-wide, you get to see and handle chat flags.

rlemon

3:44 PM

how do I actually get around this

@DragonLord yea I don't come on chat.se much, didn't realize all of my so rep carried over

DragonLord

All rep on all sites count towards the 10k requirement.

Nate Kerkhofs

@rlemonI assume you rebooted already?

rlemon

@NateKerkhofs like 50 times :P

people are getting annoyed, I host a chatbot :P

keep killing it

Nate Kerkhofs

What method are you using? ISO?

rlemon

I've tried the 'reserve' method, after a reboot my icon is gone.
I've tried the MediaCreationTool and it just says "something happened"
I am now trying to get my icon back and getting the error above.

but I have installed said update

I can see it in my updates log

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 4 hours ago, by Ben Fortune

For anyone getting errors, Delete everything in C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download and run wuauclt.exe /updatenow

also tried this

DragonLord

3:48 PM

1 hour ago, by DragonLord

PSA: If your system downloads Windows 10 but fails to install it with error 0x80240020, empty the contents of (but do not the delete) the C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download folder, then run` wuauclt.exe /updatenow` in an elevated command prompt.

Nate Kerkhofs

Just download an ISO throug the MediaCreationTool, burn it to a DVD, and use that

rlemon

@DragonLord tried that

I have the $WINDOWS~BT folder or w/e

but no network traffic to indicate I'm getting a download

@NateKerkhofs I don't have a w10 key.. I was trying to see if "upgrade this PC" would not ask for one

I am migrating from w7

Nate Kerkhofs

You don't need a W10 key

rlemon

really?

okay I'll try that then

Nate Kerkhofs

the ISO detects that you got a legal W7 installed and does an inplace upgrade

rlemon

3:50 PM

someone in the js room said I did need one

Nate Kerkhofs

it links a new key to your motherboard during the upgrade, provided you got a legal W7 installation

windows.microsoft.com/nl-nl/windows-10/…

rlemon

yea all my windows are legit

(company pays for keys)

difference between pro and pro N??

75

Q: What are the "N" versions of Windows 8?

Microsoft just released the final Windows 8 versions for MSDN members, before its consumer release in october. Anyway, I am a MSDN member. Today I went to see my downloads page and I found a list of the new versions to be downloaded. Windows 8 Windows 8 N Windows 8 Pro Windows 8 Pro N Windows ...