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6:01 PM
@Bob computer to computer too, with the older stuff. Besides what is old? regular people have been happily going on the web and reading e-mail and watching media with 500 speed processors and XP. not everybody tosses everything ever 2 years. What would the landfills be like if everything was thrown out because today it has auto negotiation. 100million old routers tossed, so there are no questions about crossover cables, is a little extreeme
 
Bob
@Psycogeek the question I was talking about was from someone wiring their own cable
doesn't sound like the kind of person who'd seriously run a decade-old machine.
also, most routers without auto-mdix are so old they're near useless
 
@Bob Mabey they are from ubgandeway, where old parts are given new life, in at the totem pole Cell tower, with the Dreamcatcher router.
 
Bob
I do have a non-mdix device here
huh
ps105 netgear print server
amusingly, it does have a physical push button to switch between mdi and mdix mode
and that BNC port! :O
> • Support for multiple protocols (NetBEUI, TCP/IP, and IPX/SPX)
 
dont knock the BNC :-) they still pipe broadcast full High def uncompressed signals around using that.
SDI
Ok how many minutes has it been? I already have to smooth out the heat sync base, does that qualify as a mod? Who had bets on 52minutes?
 
Bob
o.O
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A: How can I add a comment for each flag, on separate lines, in a bash script?

Soheil Hassas YeganehYou can evaluate comments before the slash, simply generating empty strings for comments which won't affect your script: bwa aln \ -n $n `# -n max #diff (integer) or missing prob under 0.02 err rate (float) [0.04]` \ -o $o `# -o maximum number or fraction of gap opens [1]` \ ....

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6:31 PM
In case someone wants to help science, check this post: plus.google.com/112504130537129706790/posts/VHZ1d9NCarC
 
7:13 PM
Ok 3-1 odds on making post (my real odds of things working the first time) what say ye? Post or no post. 1 stick of ram, integrated gpu thing, what could go wrong. Notes: the cpu was a return. Place your bets
I have it all assembled on a board over the trash can, I am hoping it will think twice about how close it is to going into it :-)
 
7:32 PM
@Psycogeek Bet set.
 
@Psycogeek I say POST
 
is that a POST?
 
@Psycogeek I win! :D
 
7:39 PM
that is is, pay the man with the brown derby hat.
 
that is one huge heatsink
 
its already whineing about everything, but it is there. That is the #1 cheapest heatsync that works amasingly well, the Coolermaster 212 .
 
My bet won too!
 
Anybody know if I can reverse the use of a DVI to HDMI adapter? I didnt much pay attention to the integrated only being HDMI out. If i use a HDMI cable from the Motherboard, to an HDMI adapter to DVI then stuff that into a DVI monitor , will it work?
 
@Psycogeek I don't think so - you mean something like this? bestbuy.com/site/Rocketfish%26%23153%3B---HDMI-to-DVI-Adapter/…
 
7:48 PM
Yes that is what it looks like, comes with Ati/Amd cards to go from DVI to HDMI
 
those are designed so that you can plug the DVI end of it into your motherboard and plug an HDMI cable into the female port and then plug the HDMI cable into your HDTV
but you want to do the opposite
 
Right, for when your connection is to a TV. But all my "monitors" are DVI only.
or VGA, and i dont see that happening either.
 
you want to plug a male HDMI adapter into your motherboard's HDMI output female port, then have some kind of adapter that then converts that to (presumably) dual-link DVI-D (single link would work if your resolution is lower, though)
unfortunately, HDMI output can't passively be converted to DVI-D, even though they are both digital signaling protocols, they are incompatible... the passive adapters take advantage of the fact that HDMI was designed after DVI-D, so HDMI receivers can be backwards compatible with DVI-D signaling
but DVI-D receivers have no knowledge of HDMI signaling because HDMI came out way, way after DVI-D did
so you need an active converter, usually some kind of a small box
 
that makes sence, no EDID thing ei ei o
 
@Psycogeek does your monitor have DVI-I female port?
 
7:56 PM
yup pretty much all of them are DVI female kinda inputs only. 2 of them have a VGA tossed in on the side , i assume for Onboard video :-)
 
@Psycogeek what kind of DVI, though?
 
@somequixotic uhh the one they put on monitors :-) It would be hard to see what is an isnt connected .
like inside there
 
if it's DVI-I, the female port on your monitor would have four square pins and one long "cross-bar" rectangular pin in the middle of them on the left-hand side, as the image shows
I think you need dual-link DVI-I on your monitor to get full resolution
 
my monitors are all normal resolutions 1080 kind
 
single link DVI-I or DVI-D supports up to 1920x1200 resolution at 60 Hz
so that cable might work for you
 
8:03 PM
@somequixotic Wow i never noticed that, the LG-IPS23 has no pin slots there in the Quad area As shown in figure 8 3rd item down. sheez I could have crunched a cable into it that has pins there. they oughta tell us these things (in like the manuel i dont read:-)
Here is another monitor its a more squarish 1080 having only ~1600 in the horizontal. The DVI connect matches the 4th item down in the picture (dual link) i can see metal pins in it, but again no way to know how it is conected internal.
i am going to test the adaption on it, it is the older one of the set, will see if it sees anything .
skip that, i am pretty sure that there are no adapters of that type here today.
@somequixotic --- Hey the one you linked to at best buy states "Adapts an HDMI output to a DVI input" 25$ is a lot for an adapter, but mabey it sends out some kind of ID. and most people are indicating it worked in the direction stated.
 
8:32 PM
@Psycogeek yeah, I think it should work for your case
 
@nhinkle <--- he would know about actual high-res monitors, and possible needs for dual links ?
 
it may have a tiny little bit of digital logic integrated into the cable for some kind of conversion, or maybe not
 
@somequixotic if it doesnt that is a lot of money for an adapter :-(
 
@Psycogeek in Soviet HDMI, cable adapts YOU!
 
next up, toss it into this old dusty case, that has been patiently waiting for a 8Gig speed intel.
 
8:56 PM
@Boris_yo So only @OliverSalzburg, @somequixotic and @JourneymanGeek are allowed to change their avatars? At least there are the pet animal themes with the latter two. But I am keeping a theme as well. It is just that you have to be brazilian to know what the theme is.
4 hours ago, by Bob
That shit would probably nuke every other music player on installation, and then the OS on uninstallation.
Still better than iTunes.
 
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9:26 PM
there's a substantial edit and a reopen vote :)
 
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The case has some kind of convienient tray thing to put the board on.
 
@Psycogeek And your smartphone that you took this picture with is...?
 
put a few extra standoffs in, and double check that they are in the right places
@Boris_yo it is an old panasonic lumix camera, with a lens kind
 
9:30 PM
@somequixotic reopened
 
put the new backplate in the hole. look how old the other one was.
 
@Psycogeek 'sup?
 
@nhinkle Hi, does your high res monitor require Dual link DVI ?
 
@Psycogeek yes. Generally anything over 1920x1200 will require dual-link DVI or else DisplayPort.
 
@nhinkle thanks.
try and get the "easy" tray to wedge down in there.
 
9:42 PM
@Psycogeek Can you still use all 4 RAM banks with that fan?
 
@OliverSalzburg the first slot ram is still in it, in that picture, too black to see. The stupid "jaws" or the extra heatsync of the thing butt right up to the fan. I think i need another picture to show it.
 
@Psycogeek Oh, I see it now
 
I have that fan raised about 3/4" and the top of the gapped heat spreaders is 3/4" into the fans airflow
Plan is to probably have 2 fans barely turning, the one on the ram side high, and the one on the other side set low.
 
@Psycogeek Did you get a completely new setup? Or just a new board?
> ...was flying a remote-controlled helicopter worth about $2,000 when it struck him, cutting off the top of his head,...
O___O
 
@OliverSalzburg it is an Upgrade (dont tell microsoft :-) it just has to be built on the side, because the computer it will upgrade is still working.
so many of the things will not go in it till the very end.
 
10:02 PM
@OliverSalzburg Like indians cutting off scalp in old days...
 
@Boris_yo They used remote-controlled helicopters for that?
 
@OliverSalzburg No they just used their tomahawk to do the cutting...
Don't you hate that YouTube spam comments where they say something as "Absolutely agree with you, in fact we have something in common. That's why you should checkout that website to watch there movie/play game etc."
 
@hexafraction Hey there! You're pretty special, aren't you? :)
 
Or how about [website name] that if typed in Google it will appear in 1st place?
 
@JohnCavil What?
 
10:11 PM
@hexafraction Apparently of all members here, he thinks you are special...
 
I'm just sitting here with another nasty piece of hardware that refuses to listen to me.
IBM xSeries server, home environment.
I'd actually love a bit of help. The RAID controller kernel hangs boot if there's a SATA disk in SAS bay 3, and due to a little physical issue I can;t stick it into bay 0.
If there's no disk the machine is worthless. I tried some hacks with reconfiguring the IO card's connections to the RAID controller and switching around top and bottom cables, to no avail(raid controller kernel fault)
nevermind, found it. Bad pin oxidation.
 
@hexafraction for the power or the data ?
 
Data.
Looks like it got oxidized then a bird crapped on the card.
 
Spend 5 minutes making sure i got the PSU in right side up because the logo, is designed for bottom of case or top of case visuals.
ohh crap, that is wrong, i need to put it in upside down, to get the fan down so it pulls heat from the cpu pocket. Which makes the switch feel the wrong way.
add the rest of the ram in
now i should test again, to be sure.
 
10:40 PM
@Psycogeek I think I have the same RAM :D
We're RAM buddies now! ;D
 
@OliverSalzburg it wasnt my choice, they only had one type in the store that was even close to what i was headed for.
 
@Psycogeek I got that RAM because I wanted 1600 RAM, but my CPU can't even handle that :P Still need to upgrade the CPU
 
it is some 1866?? sure whatever, i will have to time it manuel anyways.
 
@Psycogeek Oh, so don't have the identical kit, I guess. As I just said, mine's only 1600
But it's a Vengeance kit as well
 
@OliverSalzburg honestly i would have been as happy with some kingston value ram and no spreaders.
because it was Cas 9 this is cas 11 or something.
 
10:45 PM
@Psycogeek I was looking at several different kits at the time, it seemed like the best deal actually. I didn't pick these for any specific reason AFAIR
And the heat spreaders forced me to turn my CPU cooler around :P
Which obviously sucks
 
@OliverSalzburg ... instead of blows
 
Oh well, getting 32GB was worth it either way
@Psycogeek Oh, good one :D
 
@OliverSalzburg you mean it didnt? when you turned it around did you change your flow to reversed also?
 
@Psycogeek I had to turn the cooler around, the fan could not be turned itself. So now it blows air in the opposite direction of the case fan
But it didn't matter for measured temperatures, so, meh
 
@OliverSalzburg oh. well with this fine piece of cooler, i think i can do just about anything, including turn it up 90* ? not sure how the flow is going to work in the case yet. I dont know what a top fan is
 
10:50 PM
That was the old RAM without spreaders
@Psycogeek I tried everything :P
That's how I "solved" it for now :P
 
Hole in the top of the case, good place to spill my drink
 
I guess a different cooler could work. But I had gotten that cooler only recently before the RAM upgrade and wasn't going to replace it already
 
@OliverSalzburg none of the images are showing here ?
 
@Psycogeek Weird, they should be on stack.imgur
 
@OliverSalzburg i open them in another tab still not seeing it.
 
10:54 PM
Works here.
 
they're working for me
 
@Psycogeek Strange, I uploaded them through the chat upload
@Psycogeek Are they coming up blank or is there no response from the server?
 
@OliverSalzburg its just me :-( I try to fix here.
 
Maybe a CDN thing :\ ...if imgur has one
lol typo in Bjarnes presentation at Going Native
 
@OliverSalzburg I fail to see anything wrong with that
 
10:55 PM
I hope it's a typo
 
@OliverSalzburg back, it was just my leaky browser, i see the pics now.
 
C++ coders are fairly naive to think that they're better than Java/Ruby/C#/Python/... well, ok, C++ is better than Python.
 
@somequixotic Using the best tools does not make the best craftsman
 
@OliverSalzburg Now thats the ram i would have wanted. Is da fan big enough for ya :-)
 
@Psycogeek The cooler/fan is the result of serious heat issues, before I was using the stock one plus.google.com/u/0/photos/106340271308638051514/albums/…
 
10:57 PM
@somequixotic "well, ok, C++ is better than Java." FTFY
 
@Leathe TypeError: Cannot convert 'Java' to type 'SomeTypeYouDontEvenHaveInstalled'
 
:b
 
@OliverSalzburg How is the SSD tied down? did you have to buy a 3.5 adapter thing? mine came with nothing. although the directions show the user installing it :-(
 
@Psycogeek The proper "sled" came with the case
So you had to fix it to said sled and that would slide right into the case
 
11:00 PM
I think it's one of the only places where I needed screws
 
I get this error could do loves you message? awesome
 
@OliverSalzburg ohh the case. my case was born before they were using SSDs fluently.
mabey i can drill some holes in the tray they provide
 
@Chrislast Welcome to Root Access chat for Super Users! Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
does anyone know the C language here, i need help
 
@Psycogeek I even bought one of those SD card things for a 3.5" slot, from the maker of this case as an accessory. Turns out, all the 3.5" slots are completely inside the case and rotated 90°. There is no way to install it and have the slots on the outside and/or front of the case
We missed message 11111111
 
11:03 PM
@Chrislast have you check over at stackoverflow? :b
 
:11111111 test
 
@Chrislast first, wrong chat for that -- there are chatrooms for talking about programming at chat.stackoverflow.com -- second of all, knowing the C syntax (language) really doesn't say much; most of the interesting things with C involve library routines
 
@OliverSalzburg hmm, i got a floppy hole, mabey some duct tape it will fit in there :-)
 
and third...
!!tell Chrislast meta
 
@Chrislast Please don't ask to ask; just ask!
 
11:05 PM
ok
 
well, technically he didn't ask to ask.
 
@Leathe no, but he did the next best thing, which is act like a Pakled
 
i created a char array in my main method, i then used scanf to store a string in there, then i passed it into a function that accepts a char array, but when i try printing the text in char array using printf, i get weird output like @☺♣
by the way, using the printf function in the function that took that char array
 
@Chrislast generally, when you get "weird output" when trying to print something, it's because you're either printing random areas of memory, or an uninitialized segment of a buffer
 
i have no idea what you just said
but ive used &arrayname
 
11:08 PM
 
for printf args and scanf
 
What is this connector there on the left, never seen anything like it.
 
it's really hard to understand what exactly is wrong unless you post your entire code
 
should i post it here
 
@Psycogeek power connectors?
 
11:08 PM
it is 19 lines
 
oh.
 
sure, it'll shrink down in chat... but when you post it, put it in the chat line, then press Ctrl+A, then click Fixed Font button, then click send
 
#include <stdio.h>
#include <conio.h>

void PrintArray(char anArray[]);

int main(void)
{
    char input[] = "";

    scanf("%s", &input);

    PrintArray(&input);
}

void PrintArray(char anArray[])
{
    printf("%s", &anArray);
}
 
wrong, wrong, wrong.
ok, where to begin...
 
lol
 
11:10 PM
when you declared char input[] = ""; you essentially, for all intents and purposes, declared that the "input" array can have no more than zero characters inside of it.
that's like saying: char input[0];
 
@Psycogeek looks like an IDE/SATA connector
 
but when i printf inside the main method it shows the characters
 
Whenever I read #include <conio.h> I think about this:
 
not when i pass it though
 
damnit @OliverSalzburg I probably cannot unsee that now
 
11:11 PM
@Chrislast I haven't even gotten to the second part, which is that you're passing the array incorrectly
 
@Leathe :D
 
oh
dont know why they didnt make a string variable type
this is annoying
 
first thing's first -- because you aren't declaring a static number of characters, but rather accepting them from standard input, you should not declare your array of type char[]; you should use a char* (pointer) instead
 
@Leathe :11115637 yes they are the modular power cable thing, the right one is molex, the left one i have never seen anything that would connect to at all. it is not the flat sata connector we use in this country (which i should have also included in the picture)
 
char *input = NULL; is a good way to initialize the array
 
11:12 PM
oh
 
@Psycogeek I see.
what does it say on the cable then?
 
i replaced everything with a pointer
 
there's TUBE... something
 
and my program breaks
after i enter some text for the scanf
 
@Chrislast is this on Windows or Linux or Mac?
 
11:13 PM
windows
im using codeblocks
ide
 
OK, but what compiler?
I guess probably mingw
 
no idea
 
sigh OK... here's the thing... the scanf function expects you to take care of allocating enough space in your buffer to store all the characters
 
gnu gcc
how do i manually allocate
that is annoying
 
@Leathe it says CST or it could be CSI on the locking mechanism very small. what is odd is there are a few of those on the cables not just one.
 
11:15 PM
you keep saying everything is "annoying" -- this is a low-level programming language that is explicitly designed to be as bare bones as possible. why are you doing this?
are you genuinely trying to learn for learning's own sake, or are you trying to accomplish something specific?
 
@Psycogeek your cable is a crime scene investigator D:
 
i think c is peice of shit compared to java, c++, c#
 
@Chrislast I ask again, why are you doing this?
 
it is all because of not having a string type
because im in a computer programming program in college
 
@Chrislast there are libraries in C that have automatic memory management for strings.
 
11:16 PM
@Chrislast so essentially, because you have to :P
 
hundreds of them, in fact
 
plus i like programming
so how can i fix my issue
 
@Chrislast essentially, you need to use a loop, and allocate an array of an arbitrary size you choose, and keep filling it up, and then resize another array to construct the string
for instance you could declare a static array of 64 characters and repeatedly sscanf into that, until you get EOF (the null byte, a.k.a. hexadecimal value 0x0, a.k.a. NUL) which signifies that the user has stopped their input...
 
but wait a minute
 
@Psycogeek to be honest, the CST or CSI could possibly be the manufacturer for all I know
 
11:20 PM
im pretty sure you cant get the index of a char pointer
 
google search doesn't bring up anything like those cables, just really small ones
 
and i need that to check for specific chars
 
@Chrislast a char* is the same, in memory, as an array... the difference is in the syntax of how it's handled
you can still use an array accessor to get an arbitrary offset from a char*
 
now what if i scrap what you've been telling me for the past 5 minutes and set the array size to be 500
 
@Chrislast that's great, but if I enter 501 characters, it'll overwrite the bounds of the array
and cause all kinds of problems because it'll overwrite the NUL byte that counts as the string terminator
 
11:27 PM
oh i can just put a simple if statement for now
 
@Leathe it could, hmm mabey the manuel (oh that thing:-) will say
 
which means that your string will terminate at some arbitrary location in memory where there happens to be a NUL byte
 
actually i cant
im sure ill figure out some function or code to solve that
but forget about that
i still get weird output
 
you're going to get "weird output" until you understand how C strings are stored in memory
 
@Leathe manuel just says that they are "molex" also.
 
11:29 PM
i havent learn any actual C programming in college yet, so dont worry im not hopeless yet
 
you also don't need to pass a pointer to the array to scanf as the last argument, just the array itself
(or equivalently, a char*)
 
you mean the ampersand &
 
@user2256236 Hey there! You're pretty special, aren't you? :)
 
@Psycogeek like that one then? :b
 
11:32 PM
Oh my something that is Not in the wiki, the 5 pin molex, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molex_connector sombody should get on that right away.
 
arrays are always passed by reference
 
@Chrislast C doesn't have a concept of pass by reference because references don't exist in C
arrays are pointers
 
@Leathe no that is a Cd thing. way smaller. notice on this 5pin molex there is a gap between each pin place
 
but pointers aren't references
and an address of a pointer still isn't a reference
 
@Psycogeek ah, you're right
 
11:34 PM
oh
 
references as you know them in C++/Java/C# don't exist in C
 
no wonder nobody uses C anymore
 
er...........
 
no wonder majority dont use C anymore
 
actually...........
actually...................
 
11:35 PM
..?
 
the entire Linux kernel, the entire Windows kernel, and most low level operating system utilities and compilers for both Windows and Linux are written in C
 
i knew you were going to say that
that is exactly what i learned today in linux class
 
application programs are written in higher level languages because they have runtime environments, written in C, to support them
 
yeah but that doesnt count
 
C is about as close to the hardware as you can get without writing assembly
all real programmers understand, at a fundamental level, how C operates, so don't think it's stupid or outdated or annoying... otherwise you'll just be a script kiddie
 
11:38 PM
maybe when i understand why my god damn array isnt being read properly
oh what do you know
when i try printing char by char, it works
and i change it back to char input[] = "";
explain that
 
wait, @Psycogeek Perhaps that's not a 5 pin molex at all
but rather, a 4 pin molex. gasp.
 
OH MY GOD
 
the middle one doesn't seem to have anything inside it
 
i just found out something else
printf("%.5s", anArray);
that .5 must be showing the first 5 chars
 
@Psycogeek: modular PSU?
 
11:42 PM
@JourneymanGeek yup
 
its just an unusual connector they use so you don't plug in stuff by accident ;p
 
@Leathe well there is indeed only 4 connections, but it could have 5 , so it would be "classed" 5 .
 
@Psycogeek true. I just found that link, so :P looks a lot like the connector you have
 
@Leathe that is what it is, now wht connects to it
 
11:46 PM
@Psycogeek: you plug that into the PSU
 
Wow. Thanks Amazon!
 
@JourneymanGeek Big Duhhhsville. It is the Other end , the one that goes to the PSU, why didnt i think of that :-)
 
it loops back to the PSU
INFINITE POWER
GG
HL3 confirmed.
aww :(
Well, it seems that we've..
connected the dots.
 
lol
 
I think thats designed so you can connect molex or sata
sata also has a 3.3v rail
and molex is less useful now than it used to be, unless you've got unusual stuff
 
11:53 PM
I got one other thing, they didnt give wire for. There is a Half n' Half PS2 port on the back with green and purple, how do you connect both a mouse (actually trackpad this time) and a keyboard?
 
you mean it's just one port, but it's both green and purple?
 
@Leathe yes one multi use PS2 port i assume?
 
one or the other
 
I suppose
 
PS2 ports are kind of an afterthought
if you really need PS2 ports, get an active converter
 
11:56 PM
hmm
 
@JourneymanGeek Keyboards can be faster on PS2, and USb uses more cpu
 
I wonder if my motherboard has a PS2 port at all
checks
 
@Psycogeek: I didn't design it ;p
and USB CPU usage is negligible on a modern system
 
it does. 2 of them actually
 
and most modern combo ports go through another bus anyway
 
11:58 PM
and PS2s have always been legasy connected (sorta), even if your usb is not drivered in any way, the PS2 has always seemed to be like connected different.
 
I'm not going to argue one is better than/worse than the other ;p
 

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