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12:32 AM
used to "smaller" dELL and ThinkPads
 
thinkpad keyboards are bloody awesome
 
that's probably why my BF and I broke 'p
 
I sent some wrong vowels and ...well use your imagination
 
XD
you can edit stuff in chat within, IIRC 5 minutes anyway
 
12:35 AM
5 mintues, you mean a new chat server is being setup, or I'm gonna have privileges in the next 5
I"m just not used to a site that gives out privs like participation ribbons
 
naw, you can edit anything you said within 5 minutes on chat
lol. SE works differently
 
OH, ok, thanks for that
 
But once you get the hang of it, it makes sense
 
this Toshiba, ( I'm using 802.3) doesn't have LAN LED"s
who the hell ! / Toshiba treats Cat5 like some unwanted contractual obligation
 
I'm on a desktop XD
 
12:37 AM
Can't use WiFi
Not gonana use WiFi
 
Can't stand laptops much. I need my full sized keyboard, and decently sized screen
 
I started training for Penetration Testing
 
and..... that will blow your mind
 
I'm a computer forensics undergrad ;p
 
12:38 AM
It's harder and easier being a girl in this business, I got the cleanest unused restroom at work
yeah, and the credibility barrier, its higher but I notice once I attain it, I don't have to keep reasserting myself as much as the boys
but when they started demo'ing Aircrack on BackTrack,,,, and that thing is like a 10.04 or a 10.00 old distro
 
Well, that's probably cause backtrack isn't that well maintained, and has a bunch of custom crap
 
I'm sorry, I didn't ask you about the forensics training
I know that stuff isn't common except in the private sector
 
thats sadly true of a lot of FOSS toolkits
 
like at Big4 accounting, but even those guys are terribly uni9mpressive
 
lol, police here needs guys badly enough
 
12:40 AM
small feet...,intellectulaly that is
 
Kali Linux is a distribution based on the Debian GNU/Linux distribution aimed at digital forensics and penetration testing users maintained and funded by Offensive Security. It was developed by Offensive Security as the successor to BackTrack Linux. Kali provides users with easy access to a comprehensive and large collection of security-related tools ranging from port scanners to password crackers. Support for Live CD and Live USB functionality allows users to boot Kali directly from portable media without requiring installation, though permanent installation to hard disk is also an opt...
 
The team teaching us (private / non collegiate) those guys just have some jihad against Encase
 
I have Kali, and I hate it
 
thats interesting
 
12:41 AM
that's the whole reason I started posting here
cause as working students, we had the choice of choosing 64bit sleds for crypto
cracking the keys
 
We use something else, but I am having a brainfart over what it was called
 
and I picked a Satellite
 
sleds?
 
forget the acronymb, but bad ass briefcase battlestar, fast computer, 64bit minimum
like hotrod sled
 
12:43 AM
I felt like top b'itch cause I got the better satellite and my boy got an "older" Toshiba AMD
 
Prodiscover
that was it
lol
 
and we had to cople the ALF driver for the Atheros 802.3 card
imagine that for a sec, a distro that detects the WiFi, but not the CAT5 !!!!!
 
If I had to build a system for that, it would likely be a desktop
lol, that's pretty interesting
 
We're gonna travel on the road
I don't I can say which agency I'm with, but I'm Fed employee
Its not a TLA "three Letter Agency"
 
@Karen3819x4: mini ITX then. If I had to crack passwords, a good video card does wonders
 
12:45 AM
I heard that, pyrit was the demo so far forusing GPU's,
does that make a big difference ?
 
Personal preference, I'm oldschool
oh, hell, yes.
 
I don't know if you can share, but on these Satellites, the "old" one and new one
 
though, my nvidia card isn't as good at GPGPU style stuff
shrug
 
Aircrack-ng on BackTrack gets ~1,800 keys per second
 
Right now, I'm a general desktop guy, for a small engineering company
 
12:46 AM
I joined an MCSE headstart in h.s
man, talk about earning credibility
 
I'm self taught. Took the scenic route through school
 
learned that MCSE's aren't taken seriiously
ended up stuck doing desktop installs as a temp, before 2008, still hard to make a way in that business
 
eh, learnt to build computers at 13, got into engineering school, hated it, went for computer security, had a meltdown, went back to school and almost done
 
got tired of answering round about questions by middle aged wanna be pirates, wondeirnag aobut "backing up DVD's"
 
12:48 AM
or why their DVD's from Europe don't ploay / translaation
 
"Can I have an older version of java? This site dosen't work"
 
"why doesn't my norwegian hentai kiddie screw toon play on my region 1 player"
"Well, Mr. John Smith...
"if you just forward your info and CC the postal inspector,
 
Turns out the site in question was down, on the same day I decided to bunp java a half dozen versions ;p
XD
 
we'll get to that immeidately
 
One nice thing about a family business.
 
12:50 AM
and the answer to baking up your Blockbuster movies...
 
While the pay's crap, I don't need to deal with shit like that.
 
is disguised asthe no fail business opp in the top of your spam folder
follow those instructions esxactly, ande all will be solved
My partner General NScruYou
 
lol. yup, you're a sysadmin alright
 
1st week of class, was a refresher on ethics, duh
we didn't have to go through top secret background check, nothing like what Airforce one pilots go through
but it was made clear, o0r maybe jsut to enforce a value sense
that using these techniques as ill isn't to be done
since eventually, they'll just be the ones hired to get us
they use rifle comparisons alot
they keep calling backtrack AK47
and EnCase M16
but I didn't theink they were the same thing
one was post mortem, the other is a widow maker
but Kali, speaking as a LINUX admin, an IIS admin, a general server dog..... that thing isn't ready
I forgot to apologize in advance, I'm really excited about this stuff
 
lol
tis fine. learning about the 'dark side' or at least the 'slightly dimly lit side' has that effect on people XD
 
12:55 AM
I'm such a sh!t
you were talking about your forensics package
 
not really ;p
 
and I'm flopping around with "1,800 keys per second on pyrex"
 
just mentioned it cause its vaguely relevant
XD
 
I used to mistype pyrit as pyrex
 
I would suggest moving this to RA tho
Invite sent
 
12:57 AM
The champagne room
where everyone keeps their clothes on
 
lol
general chat room ;p
where there, in theory, are actually people on most of the time
 
I'm gonna call it the "Pad UID 0"
that shorthand makes it easier meeting new employees
gonna read questions and keep the tab oepn
 
1:15 AM
...talked his ears right off,
probably rolled his eyes so far into his forehead, he ended up seeing his own brains
 
1:40 AM
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2:33 AM
JG, still here ?
 
on and off
 
You're now my friend, sorry for melting your ears
 
2:51 AM
GRAAH. VS2012 removed the installer projects
 
funny
 
@ruda.almeida it's opposites day
 
JourmeanGeek was guiding me through the SSO process and deflating my expectations about one account / multipe StackExchange access
 
hell it's been opposites week
temporarily (?!) reverted to windows server on project
 
I use Google's SSO with SO.
 
2:56 AM
yeah, that ddint' work
 
It works fine so far
 
oh, yes, google single sign on works well
 
Despite the fact Google SSO is now DSO
 
you have one shared "network account" that's tied to all the site accounts, chat account, etc
 
2:56 AM
Dual Sign-on (Google and G+)
 
I have a gmail acccount and I created the OpenID and enabled both
I click "logins" and I have both listed
 
Because, f@#$ simplicity, let's reinvent our own wheel we just built last year
 
jokerdino probably uses launchpad openid -_-
 
lol
@ruda.almeida: I'm still a bit annoyed at them over google reader
 
2:58 AM
logons still shouldn't be this compex, that's the old soup that was solved long ago, ala Facebook, Yahoo, that problem was addressed longer than some people here have lived
 
you think it's complex now, hoho, wait until they implement HTTPS site-wide :)
 
lol
I still don't
 
ssl is kinda useless for a forum site
until I'm using a server in a country where my hands get amputated for using google, SSL never made anyone safer
 
3:01 AM
 
i thought it went more like
SITUATION: Nobody's ever thought of making an A/C charger before! Let's patent one!
Patent office: "I've never seen anything like this before! Patent granted!!"
Firesheep is an extension for the Firefox web browser that uses a packet sniffer to intercept unencrypted cookies from websites such as Facebook and Twitter. As cookies are transmitted over networks, packet sniffing is used to discover identities on a sidebar displayed in the browser, and allows the user to instantly take on the log-in credentials of the user by double-clicking on the victim's name. The extension was created as a demonstration of the security risk of session hijacking vulnerabilities to users of web sites that only encrypt the login process and not the cookie(s) created...
 
yeah,,, how ya gonna do that on a switched network
 
you can sniiff your own cookies, all day long
Well, wifi was your first mistake
and thats even assuing you aren't even implementing some kind of virtual isolation
 
clueless IT people install a hub instead of a switch in a campus dorm room, and you're hosed
 
3:03 AM
and who needs your panera whatever, Just wireshark is good enough
 
Are hubs still being SOLD?
 
we can't buy hubs in the us
 
oh yes
 
you gotta really seearch for one
like in an Alabama garage sale
where the mayor doesn't have shoesx
thats where the last ethernet hub was sold in america
 
We can't buy hubs in my goddamn 3rd world country, AFAIK
 
3:04 AM
you can mac spoof
but you still gotta be on the segment
even then, that isn't as easy as you'd thing
 
there are plenty of MITM attacks possible (to varying degrees of difficulty) on almost every internet connection, with few exceptions; if you don't mind people impersonating you or accessing your personal data, that's one thing, but elsewhere it makes sense to use SSL
also -- practically every employee working in a large corporation regularly gets MITMed by their own company for all their unencrypted traffic
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yeah, you gonna jack an OC192
 
and keyword searched
 
no, I don't think so Qui
if I'm a corp admin, I'd just reproxy the connection
no necessity to slow down the segment with a spoof
Qui
have you EVER really , executed such an attack
or not, cause I see alot of pasting, but not a lot of posting on the subject
 
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3:08 AM
at my org we are forced to go through a proxy if we want access at all... they can't force me to use their SSL trust chain because I installed my own browser and I have control over what certs it is using, but I know for a fact that they have a proxy that scans the unencrypted traffic for red flag keywords
 
yeah, congratualtions
wait until they learn who won the 1998 world series
I was doing that as a kid with IIS 4 / Proxy Server 2
1998
your org every think about upgrading, to Novell NetWare
Sun Micro used to make nice systems
I heard Silicon Graphics is havin a blowout ten for one sale
 
o....k? I don't exactly see what your point is? "SSL isn't necessary"? I love statements like that because it's a famous last words type thing -- one minute you're sitting on your high horse safe and sound, the next minute, crap I wish I had used SSL
who's living in 1998, again? SSL isn't even a performance impact on modern systems; CPUs have instructions in hardware that do fast crypto
 
or, someone like you who is percieved as militant by the network admins
 
I'm not perceived as anything; I watch my words ;p
 
wondering why you're tunneling everything over a non approved browser
You mentioned the performance question, which is facile
 
3:13 AM
lol
 
but answer this tough guy
 
I have a SGI system under my desk ;)
 
if SSL is fo suckun bithcun
whh the fuck
are more databases
and customer info
 
yeah, because they can tell what my browser is. system is clean of keyloggers and unannounced RDP. I've had local admin and took a peek. no idle network traffic or rootkits. I use the exact same user agent as the default browser
 
getting looted on a wholesale basis
 
3:14 AM
could be because someone logged into phpmyadmin over an unencrypted connection... ever consider that?
 
despite the prominence, even end user demand for "safe online banking, that little padlogck"
 
but yeah, application security at a browser level is a serious issue -- and SSL is but one part of the solution, not the whole thing
 
I wouldn't use PHP on a corporate server anyway, does the Cuban embassay pay you well to hsot their brochure ware ?
who the hell uses PHP on a corp box, except someone that pastes ?
 
@Karen3819x4 O_o"
 
I never said I use phpmyadmin.
You're taking my statement completely out of context.
 
3:16 AM
Do you have a context ?
besides pasting google articles ?
 
I said that people might be getting hacked because they're logging into phpadmin unencrypted with credentials. That is one possible way. I was responding to your question about "why the **** are more databases and customer info getting looted on a wholesale basis".
 
Garticle ?
 
The last time I pasted anything was more than a page ago on my 1080 vertical screen.
 
alright, go backstep all you nerdinja,
stats like yours only helped Mitt Romne
 
3:17 AM
...wow... you have a mental disability or something...
I can't even follow what you are trying to say.
 
You have credibility issues
you've never really performed a man in the middle attack
 
@ruda.almeida: I have a hub here somewhere
 
you've never really sniffed an SSL cert or cookie except your own
any guy can sniff his own cookies
 
@Karen3819x4 I don't think he ever said he did.
 
@Karen3819x4: erm, you just got here, and you insulted one of the long time users... seriously?
and @allquixotic knows his shit
 
3:18 AM
so, long term usage justifies arrogance and b.s. ?
 
@JourneymanGeek Yes, but you can buy one in stores nowadays?
 
er, no, but being new here dosen't justify the same
 
by that meausure, the entire industry would be domianted by forum participation ? right ?
 
@ruda.almeida: hm, I have no clue, honestly ;p
good routers apparently have mirrored ports, which does the same
 
kinda the switch really
that isn't a good burden for a busier router
 
3:20 AM
@Karen3819x4: or you can treat others as you wish to be treated, and treat others with a little respect
 
I am
 
@Karen3819x4 Generally here in SO long term usage is coupled with either adapting to "teh greater good of the community"(c) or being filtered out. Arrogance and BS are generally traits of newbies.
 
except when you're being sunk, all of a sudden you're brining up bones and usage stats
oh pardon the hell out of me
This is typical manstuff in this biz
that comes up
 
I'm just having a discussion. I never claimed SSL was the end-all be-all. You're reading into my statements to construe that I am saying things or making claims which I am not. It's really simple: to summarize, I said something about "wait until stackexchange implements SSL" (they're going to do it soon; they've stated they will), you said something to the effect of SSL isn't needed; I then provided a few examples for how it could be useful. As part of a wider security strategy, of course.
The ad-hominem is totally unnecessary and only happens in here once in a blue moon. We have regular discussions in here about the pros and cons of this stuff without getting hostile.
 
Long term now, backjustifying
 
3:21 AM
@Karen3819x4: honestly, no one here gives a crap about anyone's gender.
 
Quix, you said, it, now own it cause your fan club talked you up
not true
 
@JourneymanGeek Or anyone's animal kingdom, in @JourneymanGeek's case =P
 
this whole convo started when someone said " a girl in here "
 
that was Ruda actually, for that lovely greeting,
are the rest of you guys gonna keep contradicting yourselves while you scroll through the transcripts ?
 
3:23 AM
@Karen3819x4 I always say silly things. They are never meant to be taken seriously. Half an hour with me in the chatroom is more than enough to realize that.
 
Oh, so, I'm supposed to know who isn't serio, and who can't be challenged like the quix
fuck guys
you're demanding I own what I say
 
@Karen3819x4: there's nothing wrong with challenging ideas and backing it up. You just accused someone of having credibility issues - that's a personal attack
 
Also, I have been here for a few months and you and Ariane are the 2 only women I've seen here. Women are rare in the IT industry and that is a fact. But I'd treat any woman as I'd treat any man. As I do, in fact.
 
Well JG, I shoulda confided earlier when we were sharing backgrounds
I'm a law school grad too
and we're looking at the same tape
 
eh, my other major's management. No one's perfect ;)
 
3:25 AM
and the fact is, you're applying a diff standard to my conduct
I got more lawyer jokes than you do
growing up, there were so many attorneys in my family I thought my last name was esquire until I turned 14
and I learned to despise lawyers but I didn't need lawschool to detect the hypocrisy
 
Hmmmm.... Hostility in the Force I am sensing....
 
w t f
 
@Karen3819x4: we're applying the same standards. its fine to challenge ideas its not fine to come in and be immediately be hostile
@ruda.almeida: I wonder if ariane ever worked out what was wrong with her GF's PC
 
oh, so when does a person earn the right to be hostile
 
3:27 AM
@Karen3819x4: never
 
@Karen3819x4 never
 
when you guys figure out the SSO ?
b
 
there's never a need to in polite company
 
I was polite
 
erm, not particularly, no
 
3:27 AM
now like the rest of most people around you
I'm leaving
you wonder why, you're unapprecaited
fuck
 
If you think anyone here has been hostile, please understand, it was not intentional, and if you construed anything that was said by me as hostile, I profusely apologize.
 
Well I'm going to watch The X Files with my girlfriend
 
3:45 AM
Did I come in at a bad time?
 
@Luke nah, that was a while ago ;p
 
Bob
@allquixotic Yea. You're supposed to use WiX now. I still haven't gotten around to learning it; it's a pain.
 
@Bob ugh... yeah... I'm using InnoSetup instead
 
Alright...
Anyways, I got SSH running on my server at home... What type of cool things can I do with it? I know I can proxy my internet traffic through it... Is there maybe a way to mount a share from home on my notebook when I'm away?
 
Bob
@Karen3819x4 ARP poisoning.
@allquixotic Does that do MSIs?
Because I'm working on something that will likely be deployed across enterprise networks, which is.... frustrating, to say the least.
Sticking with 2010 for now.
 
3:49 AM
@Bob no :(
 
Bob
@allquixotic where do you even get hubs now?
 
@Bob I need .NET 4.5 support :/
 
Bob
@allquixotic Damn it.
I've tried a couple of graphical WiX editors so far. They're all pretty broken and not very beginner-friendly.
Microsoft is shooting itself in the foot here.
 
definitely
and InstallShield LE is lol
it's an obvious ploy to attempt to sell more licenses of InstallShield full, but it's like $OMG
 
Bob
@allquixotic I guess the main issue is the latency introduced by handshaking, and the slight network overhead.
 
4:02 AM
@Bob which is ameliorated by using http pipelining and keepalive... in the case of regular http, keepalive limits scalability, but in the case of https it's actually better than re-handshaking over and over
 
Bob
@Karen3819x4 I've dabbled with ARP poisoning networks. Basic HTTP authentication, and passwords passed in POST requests, were frighteningly easy to capture.
 
@Bob I don't think she is coming back :P
 
Bob
:\
Still.
Cain, 5 minutes on a busy network, half a dozen passwords.
I pretty much always route all my traffic through a VPN whenever I'm on semipublic networks now.
Even if the WiFi needs authentication. This is especially relevant in school and work networks :\
 
@allquixotic what did I miss
 
Bob
@Sathya Lots of drama :P
54 mins ago, by Journeyman Geek
@Karen3819x4: erm, you just got here, and you insulted one of the long time users... seriously?
 
4:13 AM
@Sathya not much. someone getting defensive / offensive in the course of a typical discussion
personality clash or something... in here you have to be able to withstand people arguing against you without getting offended... which happens on a daily basis because we're all engineers / techs of some sort and are used to technical banter without taking it personally
it's not that you have to have a thick skin; you really don't, because nobody in here is going to attack you
but Bob almost constantly tries to argue against me and i find it enjoyable, it doesn't make me angry, lol
 
ah
 
Bob
@allquixotic :P
nice to hear
 
@Bob I like to hear your ideas
we often take arguments to their logical extreme
we both know how it'll end but we carry out the thought experiment anyway
 
Bob
yup, definitely lots of fun
 
out of all the regulars here I only once got in a slight barking match with Ben (sidran32) but that was a while ago and we're still friends despite it hehe
oh and einsteinsgrandson but i won't even start w/ him lol
 
4:17 AM
Microsoft has a back door for fixing incorrect SKU's. [makes a mental note]Robert Harvey 1 min ago
 
oO I just noticed the font in chat.SE is way smaller than in chat.SO (at least, on my machine)
 
ctrl+0 ?
 
4:41 AM
@RobertHarvey backdoor? more like they take your word :))
 
Alright, just created a user on my Ubuntu server, and am running a script from another server to do a backup... Looks like it won't be done till morning. WIsh me luck
 
good luck!
 
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I'm not used to working with Linux, so I copied a script I found online, but the commands seem OK
 
Bob
@Luke Backup... tar? rsync? why would a script be necessary? o.O
 
5:02 AM
o0
@Bob makes it worse that I invited her off ask a SU mod, cause she was going way off topic
 
@HackToHell fixed! you are a wizard
 
5:43 AM
lol
 
@allquixotic wheee !!!!
All bend to the Evil Sauron :O
 
@HackToHell :D
kind of a throwback to the hats of christmas
 
Somehow I doubt the sender's name is Gina Smith, even if thats an amazing show of india-pakistan co-operation
 
5:54 AM
lol i got a spam not too long ago from "Johnathan Pizza" (last name allegedly "Pizza")
 
I was more amused that they'd send e mail from a 'indian' address via a 'pakistani' server
 
lol
spam crosses borders
I'm sure you'd just as soon see an Israeli TLD with a Palestinian domain name indicating fruitful cooperation between those two nations.... or NK and SK
for spam, sure... but not likely any serious biznis
 

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