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2:00 AM
But I should.
Calling someone abusive and good-for-nothing would get me in a lot of trouble.
 
@Mitch Have I ever what?
waits for onslaught
 
No slaughting in chat
sorry...AFK for a moment.
um...
 
@KitFox how were those armpits?
 
@KitFox Nope.
Not gonna.
Life is too short.
 
have you ever had to draw blood...no that's pretty tame...have you ever had to cut into someone?
 
2:03 AM
@Mitch Besides Bambi?
 
@Mitch You mean in a research capacity?
 
yeah, on -humans-
 
@tchrist I never did surgery on deer. Or any wild animal for that matter.
 
Oh, that kinda meat.
 
Bambi is free game.
 
2:04 AM
Can someone brief me on tchrist v. l'never?
 
ha ha I made pun.
 
@Mitch Only in Montana.
 
@Mitch Yes, funny.
 
pats @Mitch on head
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 y'know (that's the phrase of the week) the questions listenever asks are actually what one would think are the canonical questions for a site like this.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 is proud
 
also vows never to do that again
except by chance
or if the occasion arises
 
Keep it in yer trousas boah
 
@tchrist I don't think I'm being weird wen I say ' people couldn't take road kill if they wanted already'? I mean it's their choice. Is the worry they might be hit by a car when retrieving the poor thing?
 
Unfortunately, there was a typo in the Bill that will allow people to savage roadkill for food. :)
 
you know, safety.
 
2:07 AM
goes off to look at l'never's questions
 
@tchrist as long as everyone involved consents?
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 It’s an enervating experience.
 
I always mess up that word. Like temerity..it's the opposite of what it sounds like.
..like.
 
@Mitch Roadkill can be noisome, too.
 
another one!
but..that doesn't mean quiet though.
 
2:09 AM
Temerity != timorous.
 
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Q: passive auxiliary verb or progressive one?

Listenever Uncle Vernon made another funny noise, like a mouse being trodden on.                —Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone Is ‘being’ a passive auxiliary verb or a progressive one?

 
exactly
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 You have to go back and read her other, earlier questions to see the pattern.
 
'trodden' did she really use that word? only people from New Hampshire use that because it's on a flag. or something.
 
Well, what else would you say? Squishticated?
 
2:11 AM
'stepped on'. What is she British or something? That really needs to translated to English. You know, as she is spoke.
But a flag that says 'Don't step on me' just sounds kind of ...pleading. "Don't step on you? Fuck it, I'll step where I damn well please and your face is next'.
 
Talk about seeing red!!!
 
very read.
 
Never seen that one before. It is . . . startling.
 
how do you pronounce 'listenever'? Two words? or li-SIN-uh-ver?
 
Listen never.
 
2:13 AM
yeah!
because..she doesn't listen?
 
I think it is a polyparse.
 
@KitFox hee hee hee hee hee hee
 
@KitFox no no not the butt end of a sea creature, but a polyseme.
 
Somebody’s got polyps on their butt. Heh.
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者: so. what is your judgement? of her questions.
@tchrist that's not funny. some of my best friends...hm...said too much again.
 
2:16 AM
@Mitch . . . and the vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
 
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A: Term for a word that is unintentionally made up of two or more other words?

KitFoxAs a humorous neologism, you might call them polyparses.

 
I recall.
You said it took you days to think up.
 
I know. For @Mitch's benefit.
 
Did you actually experiment on parrots?
 
Parrots? No. Pigeons, yes.
I wouldn't want to experiment on parrots. They are mean biting critters.
 
2:19 AM
Parsing Polly: Experiments in Avian Cognition, by Kit
 
@tchrist what the . . .?
 
An experimental research methodology, vol 1.
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Isn’t that impressive?
 
@Mitch haven't read them yet. Boyfriend found a yoga video and we were yoga-ing. But the damn thing kept buffering because, you know, progress.
I already feel nicer, though.
 
Mmm. Yoga.
falls asleep
 
2:22 AM
wonders whether yogis can find boyfriend videos, too
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Q: prepositional phrases

Listenever It was drawing to an end now; but the evening was even warm, and I sat at work in the schoolroom (1) with the window open. (Jane Eyre) Presently the chambers gave up their fair tenants one after another: each came out gaily and airily, (2) with dress that gleamed lustrous through th...

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Q: adjuncts that express results

Listenever Martin considers [Tim a creep.] Greg painted [the wall] red. (Bas Aarts, English Syntax and Argumentation) Aarts says, in first sentence, [Tim a creep] is a small clause, and this is the object – a preposition - of ‘considers.’ For the second one, [the wall] is the DO, and ‘red’ is the a...

 
Uh, Rowland?
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A: Can a participial construction modify an adjective?

RobustoWhy is that any different from the following? I was late getting to work this morning. We thought we got away without being seen, but were soon getting our comeuppance from Mrs. Ainsworth. I was crazy thinking I could pull the wool over their eyes. All of these are normal, grammat...

 
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Q: notion of complement

Listenever Liam is very ill. (English Syntax and Argumentation, Bas Aarts) Traditional Grammar says ‘very ill’ as a subject complement. And the book says ‘very ill’ as a complement for verb be. Do I have to accept the remark as ‘Liam is’ can’t complete a sentence, so the verb needs a complement. Or th...

Neither. The phrase is very ill is a verb phrase. Ill is a predicate adjective, modified by the emphatic adverb very. The logic (ignoring very) is ILL (LIAM), showing the predicate adjective. The term complement adds nothing to the discussion and should be dispensed with, since it doesn't have a useful definition. — John Lawler 2 days ago
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Q: What do you call the adjectives between transitive verbs and objects?

Listenever I carefully pried open her mouth. (The Weed that Strings the Hangman’s Bag) When intransitive verbs are followed by adjectives, they seem to call these adjectives as subjective complements or adjuncts. But the example has transitive verb [pried] before an adjective [open]. In this case, do...

First, forget everything you've learned about "adjectives"; it is, regrettably, apparently, completely wrong. Next, look up the term phrasal verb; look up and pry open are phrasal verbs. Any English word can be many different things; open is a verb and an adjective and a phrasal verb particle, and it can appear in many constructions. Don't use the term adjunct at all. — John Lawler Feb 6 at 15:55
But she keeps using adjunct even after he told her not to. Sigh.
Maybe we can get an adjunction.
 
Why are we calling OP a "she" anyway?
Do we know?
 
Yes.
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Q: Can adjectives make adjuncts modifying verbs?

Listenever Her teeth gleamed white against the tanned skin of her face. It seems ‘white’ is an adjunct modifying gleamed, while it’s not a complement for it’s not necessary to complete the meaning. But I’m wondering if adjectives can make adjuncts modifying verbs. My question are two: (1) Is ‘white’ a ...

It's not helpful to think about "adjectives making adjuncts modifying verbs". Part of speech is governed by use in constructions, not the other way around. And adjunct is a question-begging term; if one's audience knows and believes all the same answers to the questions it begs, then it's safe to use. But I doubt this is the case on EL&U. — John Lawler Feb 2 at 19:21
Although I now forget why we know. But it came out at one point.
 
I just learned something interesting.
 
2:29 AM
Is it something you can or will share?
 
listens with hands clasped under chin
 
Do you remember that our troll crossposted on other forums?
 
Hey, I know that picture.
 
I see.
Figures.
@KitFox Yes, but this was a different one.
But I see the crossposting, yes.
He-Whose-Name-Must-Not-Be-Spoken would both crosspost and if I recall correctly, plagiarize.
 
Yes.
 
2:33 AM
I am not up to doing the cross-analysis for how many or which ones are crossposted. I see a few.
 
It is different.
 
She may not know that she oughtn’t be doing that.
 
But I thought it was interesting that they had the site in common.
Also, someone else uses that site, I've just discovered.
 
I’m guess that that is because of the purpose and prominence.
Well, it isn’t me. Who is it?
Wait,I know.
Barrie?
 
You know what? I shouldn't have said so.
 
2:35 AM
Then don’t.
I can’t help but read the other username as eggpoo now.
An intersection of users on both sites is perhaps not all that surprising.
 
I guess not. I am really doped up. I should sleep now.
 
I don’t know why people use different usernames different places, but that’s just me.
Too hard to keep track of in these doddering rafters that were once a mind.
 
Well, the picture is a clue.
You could probably find a lot of me that way.
 
Hm.
 
@KitFox wait...you did that for me? blushes
then farts
good mood gone
 
2:38 AM
I don’t use pictures. I just use the same name. I guess I am more wordishly oriented.
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I've heard that emergency rooms are full of yoga 'accidents'
"Doc, you see, I was ...um.. doing... well.. there's this ..'yoga'..um thing... and' docs eyes roll..again
@tchrist an adjunct is someone who acts like a professor but gets paid like a grad student.
 
Are you kidding? Some people will fork anything. — KitFox 1 min ago
 
> What's not to like about Robin Hood? I'll steal from the rich and give to a poor bear: me. Stay here, Friar Boo-Boo.
 
@tchrist relevant comment thread:
Christ (not you @tchrist), it's effing 2013, and this is a topic?
(yes, I'm slowly going through the transcript and commenting on every single nuance until I catch up)
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 listens with hands over ears
 
@Mitch Could be that they assumed that "Andrew" was a man's name. Bunch of stupid sexists.
 
2:45 AM
@KitFox ya know, sleep itself is like doping up. shouldn't mix the two.
 
I used to be a neuroscientist, you know.
growls
looks sleepy disgruntled
Stupid girl scout cookies are alllllll the way downstairs.
 
@KitFox Isn’t Forking the old Pinyin romanization scheme now considered politically incorrect? Perhaps that’s the problem: everybody who’s anybody knows you have to call it Voorjing these days.
 
@KitFox Oh. hm. I didn't bother looking at details. That is a bit surprising the if 'Andrew' is plastered everywhere without her first name.
 
Well, or just plain forging.
 
@tchrist voor? nonesuch. fujing, maybe.
 
2:48 AM
Too much Vorkosigan Saga for me lately, I fear.
 
@KitFox the actual science doers are becoming more parity-ized...um...whatever the word for that is...um...equal?
 
Wut?
 
@Mitch Coëval coëds?
 
Also this 'thing' (blog) is on -Facebook-. First, it's facebook, second...what the hell is a blog on facebook for. Is this all part of googles plans? getting rid of reader, will make Facebook take over all the blogging, then Google and Facebook will do a mutual corporate takeover of each other.
 
@Mitch Yeah. People often do stupid crap like that. Makes me really angry.
 
2:50 AM
like a health food store and a McDonald's mooshing together.
 
@Mitch Mooshing?
 
Oh, my husband is a fan of that page. It's great.
 
Is that another bad Chinese joke?
 
Moosh. Like smoosh.
 
@tchrist right...another one...why are female students called -coeds-, the metonymy for the marked group?
 
2:51 AM
I thought that was mushing.
Like pushing.
 
@tchrist like what you said....squishicating, combining in a glutenous mass
 
Ooh glutes.
You forgot the t.
squishTicating
 
yeah, they can be kinda mooshy
 
@Mitch I’m bashful around cows, too.
 
@Mitch We have that question.
 
2:53 AM
@tchrist i pronounce the vowel like wuss or book
 
@Mitch So do I. Or push or tush.
 
Oh. Oh. You knew that.
 
oh sure, but mush I pronounce like ... like...
like hush
 
Oh, like in mashed potatoes.
 
hm...I pronounce those differently book and mush.
 
2:54 AM
Mushy taters.
Mush and mush are different, yes.
You mush a dog but mush your taters. Those sound different.
 
@KitFox this one?
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Q: Hypernym for "boys only", "girls only", and "co-ed"

Allan DaviesWhat word would be used on a form where one is asked to stipulate if a school accepts only boys, girls or is co-ed? We are creating the form, and the word I am looking for would be used for a drop down that has the three options "boys only", "girls only", "co-ed".

Nope. Its this one:
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Q: Why does 'coed' only mean female coeducational students?

coleopteristAs an adjective, the word coed, short for coeducational, indicates an institution that teaches both males and females. However, as a noun, it can only mean "a young woman who attends college". Why is this so and how did this come about?

 
I thought it was now men-only vs women-only vs party-on.
Not poisongurls.
Can they co-ed us against our will?
You have to use the Sheldon pronuncification.
 
funny. I actually answered that question. Also coleopterist asked it, answered it, and accepted his own answer.
 
Oh, look what I found.
mush [mʌʃ], v.[entry#2] dial. Also 9 mosh.
Etymology: Onomatopœic alteration of mash v., suggestive of duller sound made in pounding something soft. Cf. the earlier mush sb.[entry#1]

trans. and intr. ‘To crush, pulverize, crumble; to mash, to reduce to pulp; to crumble or decay away’ (E.D.D.).

1781 Hutton Tour to Caves (ed. 2) 93 - Mush, to crush, or crumble.
1848 A. B. Evans Leicestershire Words 58, - I thought that she would have moshed her children then and there.
1855 Robinson Whitby Gloss., - To Mush, to crumble, to moulder.
They seem to think it is [mʌʃ].
I don’t say it that way, though.
I say [mʊʃ].
 
3:16 AM
@aedia have you had these diamond jubilee peeps?
so tasty.
 
3:34 AM
@tchrist is that the same vowel as in 'book'?
 
@Mitch Yes.
 
Woo hoo!
But 'mush' should be pronounced that way, I'm just saying there's another word 'moosh' pronounced like [mʊʃ] that is close to meaning of 'mush' but not exactly. It's only a verb.and it means to squeeze together, not to break down in a squishy way.
and with that...I have to prepare for time to turn into tomorrow. by closing my eyes for a number of hours.
 
3:51 AM
We had a 100-car pileup today.
The road that goes around Edmonton got shut down—or they tried, at least.
 
Oh God.
 
Roads to and from Edmonton were shut down.
 
That looks horrible!
 
~300 injured, no deaths though.
 
Were people hurt?
Oh, God. That is a lot. That's the only good thing about snow: people simply drive slower, so, yes, there will be more accidents, but they will all be less serious.
 
3:53 AM
30cm of snow + wind = 0 visibility.
There was an accident at the bottom of a hill.
When people came over the hill, they couldn't stop in time to avoid it. Pileup.
 
Ah, yes.
 
A few smart folks drove as far into the ditch as possible.
 
Instead of?
 
Joining the pile.
 
Heh. So there was a ditch on the side or something?
 
3:55 AM
I'll try to find a good pic.
 
The weather is OK here and I'm baking lemon tart. For contrast.
 
Well, there's one.
There's the snow.
 
That looks terrible. Although I see only snow, no ditches or anything.
 
You can see a ditch off to the side in that one, sort of.
Between the road and the trees.
 
Hmm yes I see something. What a horrible pile.
 
3:57 AM
Indeed. A real mess.
 
On highways, we call them chain collisions.
 
Makes sense.
 
Is there any way this could have been prevented?
 
Not reeaaally. The accident that caused it all was between a Greyhound and a semi truck, or something.
After that, it was just the bad placement that caused the pileup/chain collision.
(Or so the story goes).
 
Hmm.
Maybe warning signs at the top of the hill?
I need to stir my bain Marie now...
 
4:05 AM
OK.
I mean, warning signs, sure. But nobody's going to see those and say, "Oh! I'm going to slow down to 40 km/h now."
 
Yes. But now look: John Glenn used our *mush*: mush [mʌʃ], v.[entry#4] colloq. Etymology: f. mush sb.[entry#1] (def#3). Const. in. To sink into a soft surface. 1948 N. Shute No Highway ii. 41 - The landing was a hazardous one because of the alternate thaw and freeze: the skis [of the aircraft] mushed in beneath the icy crust.
1962 J. Glenn in Into Orbit 13, - I..skimmed right over the top of a rice paddy-almost mushing into it.
But they still have the wrong vowel.
 
 
1 hour later…
5:15 AM
@Mahnax Maybe make it "warning: break during snow". I don't know.
 
5:57 AM
Update: 3 dead.
Anywhere from 100-300 injured.
 
6:24 AM
oh!!!! where this incident happened?
 
@iHungry Edmonton, Alberta. There was a 100-car pileup on a big highway. There are pictures above.
 
very horrible situation
 
Truly.
 
Global Warning is the big reason behind this incident
 
What?
Global warming?
 
6:36 AM
yup
 
That is ridiculous.
 
Have you seen Day after tomorrow movie?
 
I don't see how it's relevant to this situation.
Although, for the record, I've seen it.
I suppose I should ask: are you being serious?
 
ok. See that movie. The director show good message to world
 
This accident was caused by a large snowstorm combined with an unfortunately placed collision.
 
6:39 AM
No. This kind situation always happen also my country too. Many people lost life.
 
Large snowfalls of this kind are not uncommon in this region.
 
ok.
 
What is your country, if I may ask?
Although it's not particularly important, I suppose. Never mind.
 
Avalanche, heavy snow fall always happen in Kashmir state
 
Hmm, interesting.
 
6:43 AM
In Last year more than 135 Pakistan Military people lost their life due to Avalanche
 
Oh my.
That's horrible.
 
Yeah, I actually found that before you posted it, hehe.
 
:D
 
I used my Super Google Skills™.
 
6:46 AM
hmmm
 
Perhaps it is time for bed. For me, at least.
 
ok. see you. Good night
 
Bye.
 
 
4 hours later…
10:31 AM
Those are the top three funniest book titles this year, in order.
> Also shortlisted for the award this year was a study of Adolf Hitler's health titled "Was Hitler Ill?", "Lofts of North America: Pigeon Lofts", and a guidebook titled "How to Sharpen Pencils".
Why can’t we get questions on goblinproofing?
 
Hi @t
hi @tchrist
 
11:14 AM
Thanks @Reg, for boosting the meta post about the blog
 
11:40 AM
They're like community-college classes.
 
Pregnancy Assistance Center North welcomes Santorum
 
My favorite: a class called "Can I Fry That?"
 
hi @robusto
 
hello
 
i want to learn english
i am little bit weak
in spoken as well as writing
 
12:32 PM
I'm guessing you want a different word for a -woman- who treats men and women equally? An amphiphilatrix? — Mitch 13 mins ago
@Mitch An amphiphilatrix . . . as opposed to what, an amphifellatrix?
Plus aren’t all -trixes/-trices girls?
 
it seems ironic(?) that he wants a word exclusively for men, that describes being unbiased genderwise.
 
ya
It is stupid to ask for a single word for a complex concept.
 
that too.
 
12:58 PM
We just need to find a way to map all concepts to other concepts, then we can use one word to describe everything.
4
kinda like how SAT is the canonical NP-complete problem.
 
what is SAT?
 
heh
 
In computer science, satisfiability (often written in all capitals or abbreviated SAT) is the problem of determining if there exists an interpretation, which satisfies the formula. In other words, it establishes if the variables of a given Boolean formula can be assigned in such a way as to make the formula evaluate to TRUE. Equally important is to determine whether no such assignments exist, which would imply that the function expressed by the formula is identically FALSE for all possible variable assignments. In this latter case, we would say that the function is unsatisfiable; otherwise...
 
I see. Thanks.
 
@tchrist I know! Sassy!
@tchrist well, yeah. He should have asked for the female version of a the name for a man who treats men and women equally. I gave that word for such a female.
Obviously we now need a word for a man who doesn't ask for a word for a female who treats men and women equally.
@MattЭллен Yeah..it's a problem.
 
1:12 PM
@Mitch my seeing? Is that a threat?!
 
@MattЭллен Yeah, what if it is a threat? What are ya gonna do about it hunh? Solve it? I dare you.
 
@Mitch I shall insure my eyes, and wear bullet proof glasses. They will prove P=NP. With bullets.
 
@MattЭллен Problems, cover yourselves! Men, cover your eyes!
 
covers his eyes with himself
 
2:07 PM
Haha. Gee, ya think?
 
2:50 PM
Hi @MattЭллен
Busy?
 
Hi!
I am not remembering it right, but there's a phrase like "And what are you bringing/adding to the plate?" or something. Anyone know the actual phrase/idiom? (Tried googling.)
hmm... guess I am wrong :-/ idioms.thefreedictionary.com/plate
 
3:07 PM
Hello!
Yes, I'm cooking myself some late lunch at the moment
@TheoneManis The phrase I think you mean is "what do you add to the mix?"
one that uses bring is "what to you bring to the party?"
 
@MattЭллен Oh, yes! :D
you're awesome
 
lol. thanks :D
 
3:29 PM
Hello firneds
 
3:56 PM
@MattЭллен Cf. "What do you bring to the party?" "What do you bring to the table?" and many others.
 

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