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12:00 AM
@tchrist You and English.
In all seriousness, someone totally misinterpreted some of your comments and then accused you of things
 
Uh oh.
I thought you were making a joke about not being able to take a compliment.
 
Nope.
 
“If people like me can say this, so can you.” — I feel like like is acting like a preposition there.
Do you mean the Listen person?
 
Yup.
 
What do you think I should do?
Or not do, as the case may well be.
Oh noes, it’s Mitch. All is discovered.
Every time I mitchion him somewhere, he appears.
kiboze (third-person singular simple present kibozes, present participle kibozing, simple past and past participle kibozed)
(Internet) To search the Usenet news for a string, particularly one's name or nickname, especially with the intention of posting a follow-up, as popularized by James "Kibo" Parry.
"[...] adds spaces to people's names to prevent kibozing. It doesn't help when you're replying to me in a newsgroup I read; I'll find that article just fine. Besides, I don't kiboze."
 
12:08 AM
I can't decide what to do with my evening.
 
Walk, play, work, sleep.
 
It's the play I can't decide on.
 
Ah.
 
Although Hamlet is ever a favorite.
But seriously...video games? Chatting? I don't think I have the fortitude to write tonight, which is unfortunate.
Maybe a movie.
 
Good for when you’ve no playmate, filled as it is with soliloquies. Why they don’t call them monologues, I have no idea.
 
12:12 AM
Monologues are for vaginas, from what I've heard.
 
I keep having a hard time letting a movie keep my interest long enough. I dunno why.
Only for chatty ones, apparently.
Maybe it is because I keep trying to watch bad movies.
 
My husband is gone until tomorrow night. I've had a lot of kid time in the last 48 hours.
 
Do you have a backup?
 
Not this time.
My brain is kind of mushy.
 
I hear that happens. Are they down for the night?
 
12:14 AM
I'm very proud of my children, but they are yet lacking in social refinements.
@tchrist Yeah. Gramma D too.
So you understand my quandary.
 
So you can play, just not too loud nor too far away.
 
Right.
I'm not much of a phone chatter ironically.
I don't have many friends anyway.
But I also don't often have time to myself like this.
 
Well, not aural ones.
 
I have three friends, besides my family.
And I dislike two of them currently.
 
I’m sorry.
 
12:16 AM
shrugs It happens.
I'll like them again soon, I'm sure.
 
I have never thought to count them. There are few I talk to with much frequency. None, nearly. Just old friends.
@sim I am afraid we are not done with her flusterment. Is there anything I should do? I suspect that I’d best say nothing at all.
She’s rapid-firing comments, I see.
 
Oh a kerfuffle?
 
I called one up today at noon her time and chatted for more than a half hour. Needed a break from production woes.
@Kit Something like that. Here, but also check the deleted comments.
 
@tchrist I see. Yeah, I think just lay low for a bit.
 
Will do.
 
12:20 AM
It is generally hard to listen with ruffled feathers.
 
Rob had a really funny quip about that one lately.
 
Rob is full of funny quips.
 
yesterday, by Robusto
For someone whose screen name is Listenever, she sure talks a whole lot more than she listens.
Forgive him his whose.
Well, you have to give her one thing: she certainly is trying.
Take that as you will, though. :)
 
ftfy
 
Ah better.
I couldn’t figure out what you’d done to pop in front of me in the rogues’ gallery. Now I do.
 
12:23 AM
It's not Listenever anyway. It's List enever.
@tchrist scratches head
 
Enervating, eh?
 
Yeah.
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Q: The British Way: “Inverted Commas” [sic]

whippoorwillHere goes -- strictly British style pertaining to punctuation with inverted commas. Please, no recasts to reported speech. Thank you!!! 1) The sign said, 'Vehicles will be towed at owner's expense'. (I say full stop goes outside as shown because this is a non-dialogue quote.) 2) His sentence wa...

 
I saw your icon jump in front of mine, but you said nothing.
 
These are not on-topic, I think.
@tchrist Oh, rogues' gallery. Penis gallery. Got it.
 
I forewent doing anything more to it than fix the title.
You see penises up there? Must be some javascript magic.
Or someone has changed their icon again and I haven’t refreshed.
@KitFox But I am hardly fond of it.
Oh crud, you’re right, and it is getting worse:
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Q: British Punctuation Part 2

whippoorwillAgain, strictly per British style ... 1) When he referred to her as a 'schlimazel', she cried. (Comma outside as shown?) 2) He said that he was going to 'blow the blow the whole thing out of the water'. (Full stop outside as shown, methinks.) 3) When she screamed 'Shut up!', you could hear a p...

Blech.
And she threatens us with a third volley, too.
 
12:28 AM
I left a comment, but I need the duplicates. There are dozens of these kinds of questions.
 
The last two seem NARQ
 
People keep asking if X or Y correct, without saying anything more. It is often impossible to answer them.
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Q: That versus Which

user40069What is correct for the following sentence? Melville's short story begins with the narrator's detailed description of the two unusual employees he hired as scriveners in his law practice WHICH involves the business of managing important legal documents. Versus Melville's short story begins w...

 
I am obsessed with proper punctuation, especially British style. Let's see whether you can endure my barrage of rigorous questions. Be patient with me!
From the profile for that user ^
 
Peevy.
You are shitting me.
I thought you were being arch.
Perhaps she’s mistaken us for a therapy group to help lend affirmation to her OCD.
Ok, I got the that/which dup. Still looking for the quotes one?
Ayup.
Or rather, you gottem.
 
Punctuation. Ergh. Thousands of these.
 
12:38 AM
Is can be hard to find the canonical dupe.
 
I found one that was close enough.
And left a loooooong comment.
 
@KitFox Very well done.
 
Kinda rambly. I guess I'm not going to play video games tonight.
 
I do not think she can see your comment on the question of hers you deleted. They recently fixed that bug in the inbox list that let those sneak through, and you zapped it really soon after the comment. If it it had been an answer instead, then she still could.
Well, with care.
 
Really? They never mentioned that.
How irritating.
I am waiting for the onslaught.
Maybe some crackers would be good.
 
12:50 AM
There will be no onslaught, because they will never know what hit them.
Did you first close it as one dupe, then reopen and close as another?
The timeline shows a bounce, but no further details.
I’m just curious. I don’t mean to be annoyingly nosy.
 
No, sim had closed them as narqs.
 
Ah, ok.
I didn’t feel like editing it just to expose that.
Funny that the /timeline thing doesn’t show it, but if you edit it, then it is in the history. I do not any other way to figure those things out.
 
Not that onslaught. I mean the rage about injustice, etc. Just look at all the closed questions on the front page, etc.
 
Oh.
Waiwai also did his part.
 
I found some Triscuits and cheese.
 
12:54 AM
Oh, one thing I wanted to tell you mods about.
 
What did wai do?
 
Oh, he just closed and dup-closed some stuff. It needed it.
But um, the other thing. . .
When a moderator processes the Close Vote review queue, you of course are used to your Close carrying the day. But did you realize that your Leave Open does as well?
It removes it from the review queue, just as though it had gotten five Leave Open votes.
 
Yeah, I knew that.
 
Ok, cool.
 
I wish they had told us up front though.
 
12:56 AM
I just didn’t know whether you knew is all.
 
Took me a couple of weeks to figure it out, I think. I don't use the review tools much.
 
I mention it because waiwai went through a huge bunch and marked them leave open. I do not know whether he knows his own strength. :)
But maybe he was just doing what needed to be done. I have not gone and looked at the particular instances.
 
He might not. You could mention it to him.
 
Reg uses the queues as Edit Queues.
 
I think Reg was the one who told me.
 
12:58 AM
I told Reg. :)
Or at least, I remember venturing the theory.
 
Don't we have a formal email greeting question?
 
Several.
 
Why can't I find one?
 
Turns out in the U.S. business letters, Dear Sir: is de rigeur, but in the U.K., the colon is deemed too Victorian.
Although the Economist rewrites all salutations to “Sir:” for publication of letters.
Let me look.
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Q: Where should the comma be placed in the salutation of a letter?

igorSometimes I see a comma after the proper name: Hello Mr. Black, In order to give you.... But my native language is not English and I think that the comma in this phrase should be placed before the proper name: Hello, Mr. Black. In order to give you.... What is the correct p...

Is that the one?
Maybe here, in the answer:
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A: The correct syntax for "I/We remain" at the end of the letter

RyanThe forms shown above are traditional forms and are still perfectly acceptable. Modern casual and business forms are more succinct: the opening salutation and the closing valediction are brief, formulaic, and entirely independent of the sentences in the body text, each of which is complete in its...

It includes the greeting.
 
I got one already. Thanks.
 
1:02 AM
K.
 
Yes?
 
Sorry, that was concurrence or accord.
 
Now, what to do with this:
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Q: Common English bigrams / trigrams - recognising that a jumble of letters contain only valid English words

StuRI need to figure out the best method of ranking strings against one another so that I can tell which contain meaningful English words / sentences. This string contains English words (with no spaces or punctutation): THISISASENTENCETHATCONTAINSENGLISHWORDS This contains a jumble of random l...

 
Darn it.
 
I think this is actually a dupe.
 
1:03 AM
I like that question, as a programmer. But I dunno that it is a good fit for us.
Maybe it got emigrated to Linguistics?
 
Could be. Might could be it ought to go there anyway.
 
That’s what I was wondering.
 
Can't remember the linglings. brb
 
Only two hits for bigrams there.
But many more for ngrams.
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Q: Are there tools similar Google ngram, which recognise conjugated or declined word forms?

bernd_kI just found out, that with respect to the German language, where prefixes of verbs are separated from the verb and posed behind the object, I have no chance to find out, if a verb with a prefix is used more frequent than than the same verb without the prefix. Eg. Er schätz sie. and Er...

 
Sentence parsing, I think.
Probably I'm thinking of a Ron Maimon question.
 
1:08 AM
etaoin shrdlu () is a nonsense phrase that sometimes appeared in print in the days of "hot type" publishing because of a custom of type-casting machine operators. It appeared frequently enough that it became part of the lore of newspapers. It is the approximate order of frequency of 12 of the most commonly used letters in the English language. History The letters on type-casting machine keyboards were arranged by letter frequency, so the letters e-t-a-o-i-n s-h-r-d-l-u were the lower-case keys in the first two vertical columns on the left side of the keyboard. When an operator made ...
Maybe I should be looking for “letter frequency” or something.
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Q: How could one generate gibberish that mimics a specific language?

blundersIf given a list of languages the listener was able to understand or classify, how would you generate textual output using a standard phonetic alphabet, for example IPA, that would sound like a language if read by someone familiar in reading the textual output.

That’s getting warmer.
 
I might be thinking of this one:
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Q: How to test if a string of words is a grammatical sentence

Steven smethurstIs there a way to test to see if a string of words forms a complete sentence? For example: The dog jumped over the fence == Good The cat square seven the triangle == BAD I was thinking the type of words (verb, noun, etc.) and order of the words would help in creating a rule set to test the...

 
I think you would normally test the string against a dictionary database, starting with the first character and so forth.
 
The thing is, he asked whether he could use this to test whether a string had a meaningful sentence in it, assigning a ranking.
He really can’t. He can only decide whether and how much it looks like things that could plausibly be words in written English.
 
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Q: Efficient linguistic algorithms for detecting language of a website?

HauserSome browser addons and web-services for website/dictionary translation sometimes offer a "automatic-language-detection" feature. This works more or less in my experience. There is probably a variety of different possible algorithms, like indexing some words of a website and compare them with di...

 
Which is a much more tractable problem, of course.
 
1:13 AM
So...I think this might be a better fit for Linguistics.
 
Yes, I alas do as well.
Do you have to confer?
Well, or should you, rather?
I bet they’d take it if asked.
 
If they ever went to their chat room.
@Cerb, what do you think? You know those guys.
And what happened to Octavio? I thought he was a mod there.
 
I think it would be OK on Ling.
He is.
Otavio.
 
Did he change his name or something?
 
You did.
Hehe.
 
Odd. TL bot reports only three.
 
Screw it. I'll send it over.
 
Sure.
 
oh hai.
I'll show myself out.
 
1:23 AM
Hi @cornb ... Oh.
sniffs armpits
Oh.
I guess I shall watch a movie then.
 
This person wish their question reopened, but I do not see how it could be, even after the edits:
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Q: Are there any other abbreviations in the set "sb." and "sth."?

VillageIn the context of foreign language grammar study, "sb." and "sth." serve as substitutions for "somebody" and "something", essentially telling readers that a person or thing can be placed in that part of the sentence. Are there standard or common abbreviations in this similar usage meaning "some...

It is a list question, isn’t it?
 
It is and it isn't. I think it should be re-opened.
 
They have made a substantial effort.
 
Sb and sth are used in dictionaries. The question is essentially asking if other some- words can be similarly abbreviated.
 
But you just grab any dictionary’s list of its internal abbreviations.
There will be as many of those as there are dictionaries, and none alike.
 
1:31 AM
That might not be obvious to a NNS?
I mean, using "n." for noun is pretty common.
I don't know that it would occur to me that it might be dictionary specific.
 
Here’s the OED’s list, which is public.
 
So they don't use sb. or sth.
 
Not in the current online OED. In the OED 2, "sb." is substantive. Honest.
I have the printed book and the SGML markup; trust me, it is.
 
I believe you, but I have never encountered it that way. At least, not to my recollection.
 
For the 3E, the changed all the "sb." to "n.";
 
1:34 AM
And anyway, that's beside the point.
I think the question is clearly defined, and within our scope.
 
Here is the OED 2 abbreviation list, in which “sb.” indeed figures.
 
The question is fine.
 
Ok, what would be the right, or a best, answer for it?
 
I don't know.
 
Would you know it if you saw it?
 
1:35 AM
Yes.
 
I don't have the answer. Are there more such abbreviations?
 
Ok then.
 
But I'll suggest an edit that I think will clinch it.
 
I think not.
Then the answer is no, still a good answer.
 
I would know if i I saw it.
 
1:36 AM
Somewhere there was a list of old ones that used to be used in the 19th century; they were very different.
 
What's 'it' again?
 
Like "v.n." for neuter verb, for an intransitive one.
 
You could have said all this in an answer.
 
what's a -neuter- verb?
 
You would have helped the OP.
 
1:38 AM
> Are there any other abbreviations belonging to this set of some- words?
 
Actually hasn't @tchrist said just that in an answer?
st for sometime?
so for someone?
 
Well, the OED3 uses "Som." as an abbreviation.
 
I think that is the gist of the question.
 
But it does not use any of those ones the OP mentions.
 
nobody says somewhen
nobody seriously/
 
1:39 AM
Then explain how different dictionaries use different abbreviations, name a few that are common, and tell the OP whether or not a common one for somewhere exists.
Probably not.
 
He's not asking for dictionary abbreviations.
 
@Mitch Sure they do. It’s somewhence that’s the rarity.
 
somewhither?
 
Nope.
For somereason.
somewhen: At some (indefinite or unknown) time; sometime or other. Common in 19th cent. Usu. coupled with somewhere or somehow.
 
some -body-? it's so ... vulgar. Put some clothes on man.
 
1:41 AM
He wants to know how some- words are abbreviated because he's seen sb. and sth. and wanted to know if there is a general style of abbreviating those words that way.
 
the answer is 'no'.
 
The answer is Naw.
Or nay.
Or nope.
 
s.one. should say so
 
Like if someone sees Rx and wants to know if you could write Contrux
 
1297 R. Glouc. (Rolls) 5212 - Of þe batayles of denemarch þat abbeþ ybe in þis londe... Worst hii were, vor oþere somwanne adde ydo [etc.].
1833 J. S. Mill Let. 5 July in Wks. (1963) XII. 163, - I shall write out my thoughts more at length somewhere, and somewhen, probably soon.
1863 Kingsley Water-Bab. 349 - Some folks can’t help hoping..that they may have another chance, to make things fair and even, somewhere, somewhen, somehow.
1875 Whitney Life Lang. ix. 174 - Spoken somewhere and somewhen in the past.
 
1:42 AM
Contru-escription?
 
The 19th-centurians liked it.
 
exactly. no one seriously.
 
Huh? They were serious!
 
they're all dry jokesters them 100 year ago people.
seriously joking!
I thought Rx was for prescription.
 
somewhence adv. rare From some (indefinite) place; from somewhere or other.
 
1:44 AM
So I just walked down to check on the little one because I thought I heard his door clunk. I tucked him back in and there was a big THUMP behind me. Stupid door opened by itself. Scared the bejeezus out of me.
 
1564 Mrs. A. Bacon tr. Jewel’s Apol. L iiij, - Fearing that the people shoulde..somwhence els seeke a surer meane of their saluation.
1905 Daily Chron. 11 Aug. 4/7 - That little boy seems to live on his imaginary trudge-somewhence-somewhither!
Gosh I was wrong: there’s somewhither.
 
the door made a thump?
 
It knocked into the books on the floor by the bed.
 
he's totally hiding something large like a secret log or something.
and it fell over.
 
He's two.
Also sound asleep.
 
1:45 AM
o then he's hiding a friend. logs are too hard.
kid's at that age are never asleep. they're just fooling you, waiting for you to leave the room and then the toys come alive.
 
Hahahaha.
I miss all the fun.
 
I saw that one.
 
Were you my recent upvote then?
 
Might be. Might not. :)
 
Yeah, if you try to stare them down, you'll fall asleep first. sure they close their eyes and slow down their breathing. They're ninja's like that. Jedi too.
 
1:47 AM
I think I should use meat puppet in a story.
It's a good phrase.
 
Yes, I was.
 
@KitFox it sounds weird.
 
Yeah. That adds to the charm.
 
like, can you cook it?
 
Yes.
 
1:48 AM
 
Duh.
 
but... it won't be so flexible then. Will it still fit? can you still do the scrunchy up faces...
 
@tchrist Thank you.
 
you know like lamb chop...
 
Was it for meat puppet, or something else?
 
1:49 AM
holy crap...lamb chap was a meat puppet.
 
@Mitch Remind me never to eat your meat.
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Damn it. That came out all wrong.
 
another one that sounds...just not right.
 
@KitFox I have no idea what landed me there.
Probably looking at the recently-deleted list.
 
Right, I meant the upvote.
 
I know.
@Mitch Who are you to judge? :)
 
1:51 AM
I didn't think I should say so, but we used to jokingly refer to our study participants as meat puppets.
As a scientist, I don't think it gets much more insulting than that.
 
The imagery is, um, not fit for public places.
Nor my nightmares.
 
Oh. Haven't I mentioned my background in experimentation?
 
@tchrist it's kinda like how seeing somebody else eat their boogers is totally revolting... but...
I've said too much already.
 
@KitFox Sexual, yes. Guinea pigs, no.
 
@tchrist like in men in black, where the alien takes the entire 'outer part of a human and wears it. kinda funny. if you're not the human.
 
1:55 AM
No, not guinea pigs. People, monkeys, mice, rats, pigeons, cats.
Oh FFS. @tchrist, I'm going to do some surgery on the whole frigging comment thread.
 
@KitFox hae you ever, in yourscientific experimentation, with humans, ever had to... you know...
 
Which?
 
@tchrist The contentious one that's now generating buttloads of flags.
 
I removed my other one, added one for martha, and voted to reopen.
Is this Listener’s?
Sorry. I have not been contributing but that top one, which you know.
 
Maybe.
And anyway. Surgery. scrubs in
 
1:58 AM
I’d say she deserves what flags she’s gotten. Which were not mine.
Meaning, I’ve raised none.
 

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