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12:32 AM
@tchrist Down the corridor, third on your left. The sign says gentlemen, but don't let that put you off.
 
@TRiG We have a Italian restaurant ’round these parts whose bathrooms read signore and huomini. The tourists are always figuring those are for the señores and the women. Oops.
 
@tchrist Round here, they say fír and mná.
 
Well, I could piss on a fir tree.
 
(Even when everything else is in English, it's quite common to see the toilet signs in Irish.)
Fear means man; fír is the plural.
And mná is the plural of bean (woman).
 
@KitFox no no not propensity. you're thinking of one o those 'male' medications.
 
12:37 AM
Fír na hÉireann agus mná na hÉireann
 
tu ra lu ra lu rai yay!
 
@Mitch No no, not propecia. You're thinking of the condition where you've got no hair.
 
Hello.
 
no no not alopecia, you're thinking of that miracle cactus for sunburn, which also strangely they put in drinks nowadays pleaes tell me why since you don' get sunburn there.
 
1:03 AM
swizzle sticks
 
@Mitch But aloe is poisonous. You must be thinking of that stuff they put in some gins.
 
1:23 AM
I hate the American press sometimes. Can’t spell their way out of a brown paper bag.
I’ll give ’em más papam. Sheesh.
 
1:49 AM
That's what you get for electing a pope from the New World.
At least in Europa Universalis, you could buy cardinals and make sure the one you wanted was elected.
Much more comfortable system!
 
 
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2:51 AM
@tchrist I missed this...how do you correctly say it then?
@KitFox What?? I've been drinking that stuff. not sloe gin but a drink that claims to have aloe.
 
3:11 AM
@Mitch Habemus.
@tchrist A bad writer does not check spelling or facts that he isn't 100 % sure of.
And, in the event that such is impossible or impracticable, he does not either leave out the uncertain or warn his readers about his uncertainty.
 
3:30 AM
@Cerberus neither good nor bad writers do that.
@Cerberus oh. hm... whatever is correct..wouldn't some one at least get it from some source like maybe the Vatican?
 
@Mitch Do what?
@Mitch Or Wikipedia. Or anywhere, basically.
If you are incapable of looking that up, or unwilling, your pen should be taken away and snapped.
 
@Cerberus warn readers of uncertainty
 
@Mitch That's not true. The most basic, simple method is by adding "perhaps", "could be", "I presume to be" etc. etc.
You could also elaborate and name the reason of your doubt.
 
weasel words which writers are expected to avoid.
@Cerberus doubt of what?
 
@Mitch Not true.
 
3:36 AM
@Cerberus I don't know. I'm not a writer.
 
Express doubt in your writing where appropriate, don't express it where it is not appropriate.
@Mitch Of anything you are uncertain about. Like the spelling of habemus.
I love how we are disagreeing in two rooms btw.
 
Sure, but no one is going to waste writing space on elaborating on doubt of a spelling.
 
That depends. In this case, you are right, so the other option is what he ought to have done.
 
in English Language Learners, 38 secs ago, by Mitch
@Cerberus If only we could refer to comments in the other room back and forth.
 
in English Language Learners, 19 secs ago, by Cerberus
:8505528 Hmm I'm afraid you're right.
 
3:39 AM
@Cerberus well, yeah....that he should have done the other (check his work).
 
OK glad we agree, then.
 
Maybe everyone is copying from reliable sources?but wrong
 
@Mitch I was assuming that was somehow impossible for him. Given that impossibility, he should have opted to leave it out.
@Mitch Impossible.
 
who is 'him'?
 
The writer who misspelled habemus.
 
3:41 AM
on another topic... did you just wake up?
 
Nope!
I came home from a dinner party a few hours ago.
 
oh. nice. dinner.
 
Yeah.
It was a sort of celebration of our friend's engagement.
 
in English Language Learners, 28 secs ago, by Mitch
in English Language & Usage, 19 secs ago, by Mitch
It's already too late for me (-5 UTC) so I have to say later... in two fora (sp?).
 
Correct!
See what you just did there?
Do you normally go to bed at 3:43 GMT?
 
3:45 AM
@Cerberus not exactly at that time
 
But around?
That's early.
 
Of course I did it because of the conversation before. I totally never use UTC...what a pain in the calculation ass.
 
At what GMT do you normally go to bed?
 
Yes, a round tuit.
 
And I'm playing a lot.
Tuit?
That means something in Dutch.
 
3:47 AM
It's a stupid joke. "I'll do your request when I get a 'round tuit' " (when I get around to it). and there's this stupid thing on your desk with the label 'tuit'. Hilarious.
what does 'tuit' mean in Dutch?
 
Ahh that tuit.
That is sort of funny.
A tuit is...hard to explain. If you cut a hand-sized pipe lengthways, what do you get?
 
OK...you're drawing me into your madness of European midmorning bedtimes (in UTC)
a half-pipe?
 
Yeah...
 
a roof thingy.
that you lay over and under.
 
And what if it's not exactly pipe-shaped, but like a 90-degree angle?
But you could still e.g. let water stream through/over it.
 
3:51 AM
that when you're running from Jackie Chan and 007, you slip on them and slide but hang on to the gutter and then pull them out from under their feet so that they fall off the roof into the automobile crushing contraption.
Obviously.
 
Heh.
We call that a dakgoot, a roof gutter.
Actually, I think a tuit can also be like a full pipe.
 
@Cerberus uh...like a ...angle? corner shape? but why would you cut a pipe like that? just say 'corner'?
 
It can be an exhaust little pipe-thingy, like the tip of a faucet.
 
but cut in half?
 
No, no, the corner is not essential.
No, it can also be a whole pipe-like shape, I think.
 
3:53 AM
yay google translate!
 
And what does it say?
 
spout, nozzle
it doesn't say spigot which might work.
 
Hmm yes...but can a spout or nozzle also be shaped like a half-pipe, open at the top?
I would say a tuit can be a spout/nozzle/spigot, but it can also be open at the top.
 
um... hmm... not the first thing I would think of...but the first thing isn't coming to mind.
yeah I think that works.
so a tuit is normally square (or angular)?
 
No.
The shape actually doesn't matter.
 
3:55 AM
but always open at the top or just sometimes?
 
I was just mentioning an angled tuit to make sure you didn't think it had to be (half-)round.
Just sometimes.
 
OK. Great. My dreams will now be filled with some rond -and- angular tuits. just effing great. Thanks.
On the other hand I just saw a show about the surgical procedure to separate two siamese twins that were connected at the head...not exactly sharing part of the brain, but with lots of scary intetwining of veins.
 
Would you like something even more disturbing in your dreams?
 
OK Great again, now -that- has replaced the sluice/tuit thingy.
 
Oh wait.
 
3:59 AM
um...forewarned is foretold not to click on links people post...right before sleep
 
@Mitch That's scary too.
Do you see the plastuit?
 
That looks quite practical.
 
Plas = pee.
 
good for long car trips.
 
Hey, what is the opposite of an exhaust spout?
Absolutely.
 
4:00 AM
what is the girl in the lower left -doing- though?
Oh. enlarged.
@Cerberus intake valve.
 
She's being practical.
@Mitch Right, I suppose you would have to use valve, when it is about intake.
I think a tuit can be both for draining and for taking in liquids.
 
@Cerberus in AmE you don't say exhaust spout...you say....
 
Yeah I didn't mean that as an actual phrase.
 
just 'exhaust'?
 
You would just say exhaust, or spout, or whatever.
Jinx.
But an exhaust makes me think of cars.
 
4:03 AM
yes. what other kind of exhaust is there?
now they gotta come up with a popotuit.
 
I meant any kind of pipe that is normally used to pour liquids out of.
 
a better 'bedpan' for people on the go! really, they gotta go!
 
Like...the spout of a teapot.
Good night!
 
yeah, that's not exhaust.
later
 
I was trying to describe its function as "functioning like an exhaust".
 
 
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8:14 AM
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hi
 
 
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user19161
10:51 AM
Hey @reg I see you have done so many edits, lol.
 
11:16 AM
@JasperLoy Yeah it's crazy, basically the look and feel of the posts on this site is down to just a handful of people.
 
user19161
11:28 AM
@RegDwighт I did some rep whoring again yesterday!
 
user19161
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A: Solve $\cos^2x-\sin^2x= 1$

Jasper LoyUse the identity $\cos 2x =\cos^2x-\sin^2x$.

 
He said, breadthlessly.
 
Better than breadthlessly.
 
user19161
Yes, Reg said, breathlessly.
 
Breaking breadth, breaking breadth, we are gathered here together to break breadth.
 
user19161
11:34 AM
Let us break bread instead.
 
Width what are we breaking breadth?
 
user19161
A loaf of bread can feed a thousand people.
 
@Robusto Height don't know.
 
To put it another way, what are we breaking breadth width?
Eats, poops, and leaves.
 
user19161
Eats poop and dies.
 
11:35 AM
The niveau levels here are staggering again.
 
Eau neau!
 
Eu nuch?
 
user19161
Niveau is a difficult word.
 
user19161
Now I must check the dictionary.
 
Wink wink, nuch nuch.
 
11:36 AM
'Nuch said.
 
user19161
I see the beaver has become the owl again.
 
Let the mighty beaver soar.
 
user19161
The dream remains the same.
 
@RegDwighт You need to see an Adlerian psychiatrist.
 
In order to see him I need Adleraugen.
 
11:38 AM
BTW, yay! I'm supposed get my replacement piano hammer today.
 
Perhaps I can ask Eagle Eye Cherry.
 
user19161
Eagle Eye is a nice movie.
 
@RegDwighт Is that an idiom in German too?
 
user19161
@Robusto Finally you can play D4.
 
user19161
D is the 4th letter, interesting.
 
11:40 AM
@Robusto you broke your piano hammer? You shouldn't have hammered with a glass hammer at a steel piano.
@Robusto It is.
 
You know, it only just this second occurred to me that I could have swiped the D7 hammer and used it for the D4 in the interim. D'oh!
 
I think the former is like half the size of the latter.
 
user19161
Instead of D4 one can play 4D, a lottery.
 
What is a for "brilliant idea thought of too late"?
@RegDwighт On a digital piano, they're all the same size.
 
@Robusto the single word for "brilliant idea thought of too late" is single-word-request.
 
11:41 AM
What the hell is it with a score of proofreading questions this morning?
 
Pretty low score if you ask me.
 
So BTW I have question for word in language English.
Let me find the place in our software...
Here it is.
 
user19161
I tried openSUSE 12.3 yesterday, not too good.
 
So we have a button in our software labeled with the following text:
Extract symbols
Click to extract and display symbol information.
(Hold SHIFT to extract also source files, variables, functions and sections.)
Tell me if you have a problem with that. I do.
 
Oops
Duh. Bad. Do also not that.
 
11:44 AM
Is write Cancel in button use English good? Why it not Cancel You This?
 
@tchrist yeah that's what I'm saying.
 
user19161
English might become that in a century, don't laugh.
 
As does a co-worker. But I'm told everyone else thinks it's grammatical.
 
It either has to be "to also extract src etc" or "to extract src etc also"
@RegDwighт They’re Germans.
 
Yeah.
 
11:45 AM
That would be the problem.
 
@tchrist actually I ruled out the latter possibility as well. The sentence becomes unwieldly.
 
Agreed.
 
user19161
@RegDwighт I have no problem with that. Maybe because I have a problem.
 
They must be prisoners of the no-split-infinitive heresy.
 
I don't think that is it.
But I don't know what their logic was, I wasn't here when the discussion happened.
 
11:47 AM
Is it just German syntax intruding?
 
I only see the result.
 
Well, it is not pretty.
 
user19161
Drink orange juice. Drink also apple juice. There, perfectly alright.
 
No, not perfectly alright.
You can’t put also after the verb like that.
 
@tchrist not really, no, because in German it would be "Hold SHIFT to also source files, variaables, functions and sections to extract".
 
11:47 AM
Also drink AJ. Drink AJ also. But not what you have.
 
Thank you. I am very glad this chat has a transcript.
 
user19161
Ah, wonderful. I have become German, yay!
 
yah
Break out the lederhosen.
 
user19161
Ich liebe dich.
 
user19161
That's the only German I know.
 
11:49 AM
Moi non plus.
 
@JasperLoy As we’ve all long suspected.
 
That's the only French you'll need.
 
user19161
Eine kleine Nachtmusik.
 
user19161
Yeah, I know that one too.
 
Hey.
You did it.
You finally managed to not missspel that.
 
user19161
11:50 AM
Just do it. Nike.
 
Reg, fix this:
/questions/107290/
That’s just wrong.
Sorry for forgetting to say please.
 
@Robusto I think Cancel You This, Cancel You That is what Fatboy slim sings in Weapon of Choice.
 
Some asshole is posting other people’s personal info.
 
user19161
@tchrist That is the work of Nortonn it seems...
 
user19161
Yes, according to my detective skills, it is Nortonn.
 
11:53 AM
Thanks.
 
Huh, the inlining doesn't update.
Well, then.
 
He’s mad at Andrew for calling him out.
-4
Q: Grammar, Sold As...Per

takey---==,--=.-.,=-==----- The context is a sales ad: source "Plastic Prince - Heavy Duty 42 Gallon Contractor Bags - 3 Mil - 32-Inch by 48-Inch - Sold As 20 Bags Per Box." Is "sold as 20 bags per box" okay English? Should it have been "sold as boxes of 20 bags" or "sold as 20-bag boxes"...

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A: What are these weird symbols that keep showing up in certain posts?

Andrew LeachNortonn S is a suspended user. The random punctuation is a trademark of his which he adds to sockpuppet posts. It's a reliable signpost and is helping my flag count — and probably that of others. All of these "new users" are one person.

 
user19161
This is a very dangerous man.
 
I don’t know that I would use those words, but he seems to be altering his MO a bit here.
 
user19161
I think we should just ignore him from now.
 
11:55 AM
Becoming more of a criminal vandal and pest.
We can’t, and you know it.
 
-2
A: Prefix di- and bi-

RebeccaYou don't know what the answer is because you are dumb unlike me!!!! Rainbows are my favourite things!!!

Anyway. I gotta prepare for a Webex now.
 
This is a dupe, but I can’t find it:
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Q: Searches revealed that... or Searches revealed

Marcin D.I would like to know if the word "that" can be removed in the following sentence: "Searches revealed that Johns was awarded a grant by the Chilean Innovation Program." I read in other threads that "that" can be omitted in sentences like "She said they won't come". But is this the case with the ...

 
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Q: Are there rules about using "that" to join two clauses?

kiamlaluno He will understand that I was not joking. He will understand I was not joking. Which of the sentences is correct? Are there any specific rules about the use of "that" in the sentences I reported as example?

 
Yup.
Thanks.
 
NP.
= P.
QED.
 
12:06 PM
Have to done some homework? — Kris 7 hours ago
Heh.
 
12:23 PM
q/107297/2085
Et resurrexit.
 
It's spam I guess.
 
Thanks.
 
@RegDwighт Too bad you can't completely obliterate a post. Leach's info still appears in the edit trail of the deleted post.
 
Well . . . that requires dev intervention, I think.
 
You know, instead of deleting such posts, perhaps they could be migrated to an invisible (except to mods) private dummy site.
 
12:26 PM
Too much work. To what purpose?
 
How much work could it be? It's just another instance of an SE site.
 
“just”?
 
But it's flagged private or whatever.
Hey, the model exists already. Not like they have to reinvent the wheel.
Create a regular instance of an SE site and flag it private. I'll bet they have such a thing already.
Simpler than a tool that allows for complete post obliteration by mods, and safer as well.
 
You can still find migrated postings.
 
Not if the target site is private.
 
12:28 PM
Sure you can.
It leaves a ghost.
I think they consider obliteration too final to give out to hundreds of mods.
I think that’s why it’s dev-only.
 
I will have to whale the tar out of you if you keep that up.
 
I left a notice in the Teachers' Lounge. Perhaps they can do a hard delete. No idea.
Now he keeps posting as Andrew Leach.
Twice already.
I have a Webex to attend in about 15 minutes.
 
Gee thanks, Rob, for sending me here:
That was in your whale link.
But you’re right.
 
Smart guys for smart whales.
Weld the mack on.
I'm getting better. Deleted within 9 seconds.
 
> (note: youtube could be the next forum)
 
12:43 PM
But I'm almost out of here.
 
I have India in 7 minutes.
 
So we have the post IDs 107290, 107297, 107298, 107299, 107301.
 
Ah, ok good.
I don’t know if there are any other mods around to take over for you, but these should not be allowed to stick around.
It otherwise takes 5 close votes and 3 delete votes, which is a bit slow.
 
Five downvotes to take it off the front page.
That's a start.
 
Or is 4?
 
12:46 PM
Five I thought?
Or you mean delete votes?
 
No, I mean downvotes.
 
Delete is three. More if it's upvoted.
 
I do not think -4 show up.
On front page.
 
Hm. 'D be news to me.
 
Useta be –5, maybe.
I tested this by downvoting a –3, and it was no longer showing.
 
12:47 PM
Perhaps the leap from –4 to –5 is faster.
 
Oh maybe.
 
–3 is just greyed out, and only for answers.
 
-4
Q: Restriction TO vs Restriction OF

TerrySI would need to understand where should I use "to" and "of" after the word "restriction". I feel the difference but cannot express it clearly. The examples with an explanation would help a lot.

That one is 21 hours old, and doesn’t show. It might be too far down though.
I can’t find a good –3 candidate to test on. Some other day.
 
Yeah, simply pushed off. It does show up in the chronological list.
 
That’s where I found it.
The chron list shows all.
Ok, off to India.
 
12:50 PM
@tchrist Hmm, my link seems to be working fine. I don't get tall guys in their undies, just TheFreeDictionary.
 
I'm kind of incompetent here because I often see stuff nobody else sees.
And I'm out as well.
 
Anyway, commute. Laters.
 
chat assplodes
 
1:11 PM
Perfect. I kill chat just by logging in.
 
@RegDwighт And 107303. This needs to be taken up with the SE team.
 
-4
Q: SPAM: please downvote, close, and delete

Andrew Leach[--------spam deleted---------]

 
@tchrist Thanks for seeing to that
 
We’ve been working on it all morning Andrew. Right now our mods are busy, but the matter has been raised in the Teacher’s Lounge,
In the meantime, we have to do what it says there in the title.
But think of it this way: you get two free flags. :)
 
I've been out at a meeting, so I've only just come back to it.
 
1:22 PM
Per posting.
Oh.
This is like #8 or 9. Check the delete log in the 10k tools.
@Reg I just proved it disappears at –4.
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Q: SPAM: Please downvote, close, and delete

Andrew Leach---Go away you sad person, please---

Reg is at a meeting. Kit is usually here in the morning, but not today.
 
There are three other mods, though; but they are all in the US.
 
Sim is usually on later. The other two are less commonly seen.
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Q: *S*P*A*M*: Please downvote, close, and delete

Andrew Leach[--------spam deleted -----------]

I think we need more attention. He’s uneditting my edits.
 
@tchrist Who is this guy and why is he trying to sabotage Andrew Leach?
 
It’s Norton.
Andrew outed him on Meta.
 
Norton!
 
1:36 PM
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A: What are these weird symbols that keep showing up in certain posts?

Andrew LeachNortonn S is a suspended user. The random punctuation is a trademark of his which he adds to sockpuppet posts. It's a reliable signpost and is helping my flag count — and probably that of others. All of these "new users" are one person.

I wish I could superping. :(
Oh, I know how.
 
Flag as bug?
 
Flag as spam, generally.
I just sent Shog9 a message.
If he comes here while I’m in my meeting (I’m on mute right now, but it is going to go for more than hour more yet I think) somebody should please explain to him (or any other mod or comm-mgr or dev) what is going on. I know Reg left a note in the TL, too.
 
How does he keep evading the IP address filter?
 
There isn’t one.
 
Oh. Then that's a trivial protection to bypass.
 
1:44 PM
He's now undoing my edits. Perhaps an edit war will get some SE attention.
 
I know.
@Robusto That won’t work. He uses roving dynamic IPs.
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Q: *S*P*A*M*: Please downvote, close, and delete

Andrew Leach[--------spam deleted -----------]

That is ready for deletion.
 
And ... done.
 
Thanks.
 
@tchrist Never underestimate the power of a troll to be a crusading annoyance.
 
This has been taken to a new level.
It’s actual vandalism.
And worse.
 
1:47 PM
Not only that, I might get a letterbomb.
 
Any of us is vulnerable.
Well, my address has always been a matter of public record, but I wouldn’t appreciate somebody putting up kiosk posters of it with a WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE.
3 down.
(Check 10k log)
We need to keep a list of these post IDs for database deletion.
 
User 39540.
 

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