The Nineteenth Byte

12:01 AM

Some more common codes to use (These are the ones that I most often use): Esc: <Ctrl-R>: <Ctrl-V>: <Ctrl-A>: <Ctrl-X>: <Ctrl-O>:
No idea if you'll be able to copy those from here, though.

Try it online!

@cairdcoinheringaahing If you look at any of my Vim answers, you'll see that that is what I do; just copy the byte. I made a list of all of them in Notepad++, since they all render uniquely, and put them next to the corresponding Ctrl code, and just copy and paste them as needed.

caird coinheringaahing

You can also insert the actual characters into code blocks on CGCC

If you use <pre><code> blocks, you can insert e.g. escape with !

@lyxal Have you tested that? It doesn't work: Try it online!

Plus, by the comments, it looks like it never worked

lyxal

12:17 AM

@cairdcoinheringaahing that's great!

Because then the winner is actually codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/230740/78850

Which is Vyxal

Very cool caird

AviFS

@AaronMiller Ooh, you're right, thanks! Good to know, though I like the <esc> in -v verbose mode, I think, for reading clarity

And so there's no doubt that I'm cheating. Though it does affect TIO's byte count

Which brings to other question: For counting vim, does a chord/combo like <C-R> count as one keystroke or 2?

Aaron Miller

@AviFS As far as readability, I typically use in the TIO and <Esc> in the submission.

AviFS

@AaronMiller But on SE it doesn't render... of course it doesn't, haha

ngn

@AviFS 1

AviFS

@AaronMiller Makes sense, thanks!

@ngn Yay!

A username

12:21 AM

@lyxal I'm trying to fix textarea resizing.

caird coinheringaahing

@AviFS Use <pre><code> tags and !

lyxal

@Ausername I suppose I should stop my own edits to main.html for a bit then

A username

Its fine, were doing different things./

Aaron Miller

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Q: How should vim answers be scored?

I like vim a lot. I've been golfing with it a lot recently. We already have clearly established that vim is a programming language, but there aren't any clear rules on how to score vim answers. The main things that I want to clarify are: Do modifiers (shift, alt, ctrl, etc.) count as an extra k...

AviFS

And is it odd/okay then to put 'n keystrokes' in header instead of the usual 'n bytes'?

lyxal

12:22 AM

@Ausername fixing #113 won't interfere with what you're doing?

A username

Nope

lyxal

good

AviFS

@AaronMiller Thanks... I did consider looking

Ah, "Internally, every keystroke corresponds to a single ascii byte." Perhaps then putting "bytes" next to the Vim answer is fine

@hyper-neutrino There's already an amazing lang for complex and expressive unit-conversion calculations like this, see Frink

But here's the idea:

A DSL for calculating the ABV of your mixed drink

Actually, in the the units dictionary they have units as obscure (and alcohol-related) as:

// Modern US Beer capacity
beerbarrel := 31 gallons     // A full beer barrel
keg        := 1/2 beerbarrel // The standard "keg" is a half barrel
beerkeg    := keg
ponykeg    := 1/2 keg
case       := 24 12 floz     // Why not?
beercase   := case

// English wine capacity measures (Winchester measures)

winegallon := 231 britishinch^3 // Sometimes called the Winchester Wine Gallon,
                             // it was legalized in 1707 by Queen Anne, and
                             // given the definition of 231 cubic inches.  It
                             // had been in use for a while as 8 pounds of wine
                             // using a merchant's pound of 7200 grains or
                             // 15 troy ounces.  (The old mercantile pound had

That stuff goes on for pages and pages. But they don't have eg. whiskey := 40 ABV. I suppose that's not always true, but anyway, for convenience the DSL/esolang could have all of those built in

caird coinheringaahing

I don't know about the US, but no one uses those UK measurements :P

AviFS

Of course not, hence ~~useless~~ obscure, haha

And then to do mathematical calculutations in the esolang, you'd have to manipulate and mix alcohols to get you the right number

ngn

12:31 AM

@AviFS let me propose a toast for the continued alcoholic theme in tnb tonight

caird coinheringaahing

Personally, I measure everything in amount of liquid I can soak up in a single 50cm x 50cm towel :P

AviFS

Might be pretty cool actually!! Wait! Imagine, you'd have to write a program (recipe) that would mix a drink whose ABV would approximate pi