English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Robusto

16:00

But, seriously, when Palin opens her mouth to pontificate about "family values" and then has children who have children out of wedlock, pointing out the hypocrisy is not misogynistic. It can be phrased that way, but I think you have to consider the source. And the source is not "all people who think Palin is an idiot."

tchrist

@RegDwightАΑA Knack yourself out: $ oed /wurst => blutwurst bratwurst bratwürste erbswurst knackwurst leberwurst liverwurst mettwurst schinkenwurst Weisswurst wurst.

Robusto

@tchrist How could it get any wurst?

RegDwight АΑA

By typing sudo get me any wurst, duh.

Robusto

Typical sudointellectual trick.

RegDwight АΑA

I only just realized how gross the name Liverpool is.

Robusto

16:05

@RegDwightАΑA Blackpool is darker.

tchrist

@RegDwightАΑA Its demonym is far wurse.

KitFox

@RegDwightАΑA Oh, dude. You had to do that, didn't you?

Robusto

Also, I didn't know you could by Liverpool by the gross.

RegDwight АΑA

Wow. That's like, three pings in three seconds.

Robusto

Gaelic note: Dublin has the same meaning as Blackpool. Or so I'm told.

tchrist

16:06

@RegDwightАΑA Ok everybody, on my mark.

One.

Two.

Three.

Robusto

Wait, we can't all fit on your mark.

RegDwight АΑA

Dub Dub Dub Lin Dot Org.

tchrist

Drat.

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist to its defense, it is possessed by a demon.

Robusto

Question for ELU: "Does prepossessed mean the same thing as pre-owned? How are they both used?"

RegDwight АΑA

16:09

My preposse is on Broadway.

tchrist

grosses out

RegDwight АΑA

That was rather easy. Hm.

tchrist

Keep yer foreskin to yerself, kiddo.

RegDwight АΑA

Last I checked Beatrix was female.

tchrist

You’re the one with the prepuce on Broadway.

And me, with prepuke.

Let’s leave it there.

RegDwight АΑA

16:11

Better than Spielberg with his precocks.

Robusto

@tchrist You mean you work for tips?

@RegDwightАΑA His dementia praecox?

RegDwight АΑA

No, Dementia was you, shopped.

tchrist

@RegDwightАΑA So what? The loose fold of integument which covers the glans penis (or the glans clitoridis); the foreskin.

Robusto

@tchrist You read that in a cartoon. Similar to "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog."

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist I never said anything to the contrary.

Robusto

16:13

Hey, leave him alone. He is just sore that he doesn't have a fiveskin.

RegDwight АΑA

High five.

tchrist

You only think you’re pulling my leg.

RegDwight АΑA

No I really hope I don't think that.

Robusto

Also, I thought foreskin was a warning in golf that you are uncircumcised, and that your wang might possibly strike the group playing ahead of you.

RegDwight АΑA

Hm. Tiger Wang.

tchrist

16:15

No, it means loose cheese.

Robusto

drum roll Ahem ... "ahead"?

RegDwight АΑA

Yes yes very witty.

Write a book.

Robusto

@tchrist No, @Cerberus is the Dutchman with loose cheese, you looser.

RegDwight АΑA

Lavapalooser?

Robusto

Immer los, desto loser.

RegDwight АΑA

16:16

What is this grammar?

Robusto

It is faux grammar, such as you practice in practically every sentence.

RegDwight АΑA

Gehe nicht über Los, ziehe keine 200 ein.

@Robusto I wouldn't call that practice. Clearly that's mastery.

Robusto

You are totally Lost.

RegDwight АΑA

Lost del Rio?

Robusto

Lost (TV series)

Lost is an American television series that originally aired on the American Broadcasting Company (ABC) from September 22, 2004 to May 23, 2010, consisting of six seasons. Lost is a sci-fi/drama series that follows the survivors of the crash of a commercial passenger jet flying between Sydney and Los Angeles, on a mysterious tropical island somewhere in the South Pacific Ocean. The story is told in a heavily serialized manner. Episodes typically feature a primary storyline on the island, as well as a secondary storyline from another point in a character's life. Lost was created by Jeffre...

Much ~~worse~~ wurst.

RegDwight АΑA

16:18

Los del Río

Los Del Rio, also known as "The Del Rios," was a Spanish Latin Pop duo who formed in 1992 and broke up in mid-2007. They were best known by their smash-hit and hot dance single "Macarena", originally released in early 1994. The song peaked at the Hot Dance Singles and Billboard 200 by mid-1994. The song became a big hit in US and Mexico. The group decided to make a few remixes and other styles of the song. They became more famous (only by a bit) when they released the single "Tengo, Tengo" released on February 18, 1996. It was featured on the album Fiesta Macarena released in 1996. The g...

No, this is.

Robusto

No, the other is. Like-minded people agree.

tchrist

Lost el Río?

It’s still in the cañon.

RegDwight АΑA

My Wurst-Käs is better than yours. I could teach you, but I have to charge.

Robusto

@RegDwightАΑA Well, my dentist has a practice, but I count on his mastery. So there.

tchrist

pukes

Robusto

16:19

@tchrist But is it cañonical?

RegDwight АΑA

No puking on dentists in this chat.

Robusto

Yeah, what's up with that?

tchrist

General reference! — Xavier Vidal Hernández 3 mins ago

Whoda thunk?

RegDwight АΑA

Major Tom!

Robusto

Private Opinion!

tchrist

16:21

Special Forces

Robusto

Special forceps.

RegDwight АΑA

Admire Al.

tchrist

Class warfare

Orderly retreat.

Robusto

"Rear" admirable!

tchrist

Family affairs.

Admirable rear.

ΜετάEd

16:21

@tchrist Hey. This is a family show.

Robusto

Plagiarist.

tchrist

Some of my best friends are Family.

RegDwight АΑA

Plague-guitarist.

Robusto

Yeah. Sly and the Family Stoner.

ΜετάEd

@tchrist Roll your own, they say.

Robusto

16:22

Own your roll.

tchrist

Synchronicity cannot be proven across reference frames, and indeed, has no meaning.

RegDwight АΑA

Troll your feed.

Robusto

@tchrist You're too Jung to believe that.

ΜετάEd

Contemporary English Corporal.

Robusto

@ΜετάEd We are playing way past military ranks now. Just thought you'd like to know.

Keep up.

ΜετάEd

16:24

Puns yesterday, puns tomorrow, but never puns today.

tchrist

Prepare catlock, insert . . .

RegDwight АΑA

Latcock?

tchrist

Key pup.

RegDwight АΑA

Very wee tea.

Robusto

Stop the word, I want to get off.

tchrist

16:25

Porridge.

RegDwight АΑA

Eric?

Robusto

Mahlzeit. Or Mah Jongg. Or something. Just letmeouttahere.

RegDwight АΑA

I am about to mute a commie.

tchrist

Porringer.

Gotta rhyme?

RegDwight АΑA

Why would one ring a pore?

@tchrist no rhyme here, only reason.

tchrist

16:26

and gae the Prince of Orange her.

Over tea.

RegDwight АΑA

Eating an orange
While making love
Makes for bizarre enj-
oyment thereof.

tchrist

Don’t do that.

RegDwight АΑA

Now that's what I call an enj- / ambment! — RegDwight АΑA Oct 8 '10 at 14:18

tchrist

O what’s the rhyme to porringer?
Ken ye the rhyme to porringer?
King James the Seventh had ae dochter,
And he gae her to an Oranger.

RegDwight АΑA

"Had ae dochter" is what they still say in the local dialect of my neck of the woods.

tchrist

16:29

There was a merry PASSENGER,
a MESSENGER, a mariner:
he built a gilded GONDOLA
to WANDER in, and had in her
a load of yellow ORANGES
and PORRIDGE for his provender;
he perfumed her with MARJORAM
and CARDAMOM and lavender.

RegDwight АΑA

I see you're on a roll again. Keep it up till I log in from home again. See you on the other side.

tchrist

Chatkilling monster I.

Ken ye how he requited him?
Ken ye how he requited him?
The lad has into England come,
And taen the crown in spite o’ him.

KitFox

@mussri I can ping you from here.

tchrist

And so can I, and so can any man, but do they come when you call them, Glyndŵr?

ΜετάEd

17:01

I come, Greymalkin.

tchrist

Only one? Marry, ’tis enough.

Cerberus

hello.

Hello.

tchrist

’lo.

Mahnax

Good morn.

ΜετάEd

17:17

(morning-p)

KitFox

@ΜετάEd That like morning wood?

Cerberus

Ah, I'm trying to chat on my mobile through Team viewer.

tchrist

A courageous move, Minister.

Cerberus

On 3G, it is actually working quite well.

Haha, yes, and quite novel, don't you say, Humphrey?

Want this a tripartite euphemism, by the way?

tchrist

OFMH HaveABeer is now alleging that Coleridge is misusing English!

Congratulations, but I'm unsure that the 'rare' usage is correct here! I presume that the writer misuses 'rare' for 'scarce'! — Xavier Vidal Hernández 3 mins ago

ΜετάEd

17:26

@KitFox I was speaking with a lisp.

tchrist

facepalms

KitFox

sighs And I am trying to figure out how to respond to his meta question...

Cerberus

Haha, X is funny.

And I'm chatting on my mobile, hurray! Except that it won't recognise 'hurray', so I can't Swype it.

tchrist

@JAM Since you are so expert on this matter, what could or should be the role of "poethics" in that context? — Xavier Vidal Hernández 44 secs ago

Poe. Ethics. Nevermore.

Cerberus

Learn2Greek.

Robusto

17:32

Yes. I'm for deleting Xavier's idiot blathering. I wasn't before, but if he's going to say that Coleridge "misuses" English ... the mind reels.

tchrist

Élitist.

Robusto

@Cerberus You can teach it to recognize "hurray" ...

tchrist

At least he isn’t using the post-m0dren generator today.

Still nonsense.

Cerberus

@Robusto Alas, that doesn't work in Team Viewer. Even automatic spacing doesn't work.

Robusto

@Cerberus Then I'm glad I don't use Team Viewer.

Cerberus

17:38

@Robusto It's the only way I can chat at all on my mobile, because SE refuses to log me in at all on my mobile.

Robusto

@Cerberus Yeah, but there's a fix for that.

Cerberus

It refuses any credentials I throw at it, as usual on a new device. Do you know of a way?

I will be at my destination in fifteen minutes, by the way, so I will have to go offline then.

tchrist

Aye, but is it a rare device?

Mahnax

thwacks

Robusto

Feb 3 at 13:05, by Will Hunting

@robusto I saw your chat login problem. Did you try this? Log in to ELU, go to english.stackexchange.com/users/chat-stackexchange-login, and login from there without having to key in anything.

This always works for me.

tchrist

17:43

I found an Iliad ref, in the Bryant translation:

@Zairja Don’t forget the Bryant translation of the Iliad: “Twelve mantles thence he took of texture rare; / Twelve single vests : twelve carpets next he chose: / Tunics and finer robes, of each the same: / Of gold ten talents; polish’d tripods two; Four cauldrons, and a cup of rare device ;” — tchrist 1 min ago

Guess Bryant misused English, too.

Robusto

@tchrist Obviously Homer misused the word.

tchrist

Or was that Homer?

Robusto

Jinxxx.

Cerberus

And my connection may drop even sooner, as I am roaming the countryside. Ah, it just dropped. Now I'm back.

@rob Thanks, but I can never log into SE at all.

Robusto

Ngrams show numerous instances of the phrase "he fell to the ground" and I would doubt that they all refer to falling from the sky. — bib 2 hours ago

facepalm

Cerberus

17:48

@tchrist It's not my phone: this happens all the time on various computers. This is a Galaxy Nexus.

tchrist

Add Shakespeare, in Cymbeline, Act 1, Scene 6: “Which I, the factor for the rest, have done / In France: 'tis plate of rare device, and jewels / Of rich and exquisite form; their values great;”. Just what you’d expect a guy who didn’t know how to spell his own name! — tchrist 36 secs ago

ΜετάEd

@simchona.

KitFox

@Reg I left an answer I think you'll like.

tchrist

Too late.

:)

coleopterist

Hullo :)

KitFox

17:55

0

A: Deleting of Xavier's comments

Thank you for your contributions to the site. I am glad that you wish to be a helpful contributor here. You are a very new user, and the fact that you are already a top contributor speaks to your efforts. For that reason, I am glad that you chose to post your question here on the Meta site. It ...

@tchrist I removed it because it turns out it isn't true.

JSBձոգչ

phew. i used up all my delete votes and all my close votes today.

KitFox

@coleopterist Hi,

tchrist

@KitFox Exquisitely well done.

KitFox

bows

tchrist

@JSBձոգչ That takes some work.

coleopterist

17:56

JSBձոգչ, you've been busy :P

JSBձոգչ

and the top ~20 recently edited posts on the activity page were edited by me

KitFox

@JSBձոգչ Thank you. I really appreciate it.

JSBձոգչ

whee!

tchrist

I used up delete votes on SO the other day, but only because I worked very very hard at it. I think I have like 35 of them there.

Maybe 25? Many though.

coleopterist

KitFox: All that electioneering appears to have added even more polish to your diplomatic skills :)

But, I'm certain that Xavier is going to 'precise' you shortly :P

KitFox

18:03

Being mod is serious business.

simchona

@ΜετάEd ?

KitFox

He can precise me all he wants. It is my job to help.

coleopterist

Roger, Roger.

cornbread ninja

tips hat afternoon, all

KitFox

Hiya @cornbread.

coleopterist

18:06

Yo

Mahnax

Hi @cornbread!

cornbread ninja

What a reception!

How goes it?

Mahnax

throws flowers

cornbread ninja

gets misty

KitFox

kisses @cornbread

cornbread ninja

18:07

(^_^ )

KitFox

Oop! Sorry. Got caught up in the moment.

Mahnax

covers eyes

cornbread ninja

@Mahnax it was on my cheek

yes, that's the ticket

Mahnax

@cornbreadninja Well, I guess that's OK.

cornbread ninja

Have you decided on your forever present? That's a tough one.

Mahnax

18:09

Oh, I think I would like a nice set of pens.

I really enjoy pens, and I take good care of my things.

coleopterist

/me totally misread both those statements.

cornbread ninja

@Mahnax hooray! I practiced some Gothic whilst awaiting my sandwich.

I have thank-you cards due.

tchrist

@Mahnax Dip pens or fountain pens?

Mahnax

@cornbreadninja Oh, how nice!

tchrist

@coleopterist Wicked. Blame it on the font.

Mahnax

18:10

@tchrist Ooh, I'm not sure. Probably fountain pens, but dip pens are good too.

cornbread ninja

@tchrist I bought my first Brause nib recently. I'd only had Speedballs.

KitFox

giggles

cornbread ninja

SPEEDBALLS!!!!

coleopterist

@tchrist Quite :)

Mahnax

Oh, have you had any luck with your cert, @tchrist?

cornbread ninja

18:12

Almost bought a Lamy on mah birthday.

Mahnax

lamyusa.com/lamy_mechpencil_L147_pur.php

I like this one.

Mechanical pencils are fantastic.

cornbread ninja

wowsers, that is more than the fount I was going to buy.

Only just.

I'd asked what they had in a broad nib, and they made it sound as though Lamy was my only option.

Sooooo, how 'bout that Xavier?

Mahnax

This is beautiful.

cornbread ninja

@Mahnax mmmm, broad.

Mahnax

@cornbreadninja Yeah.

Speaking of mmmm, I'm hungry.

moseys on over to fridge

cornbread ninja

18:19

@Mahnax here's the one I was after.

tchrist

I found more people misusing English: more Spencer; Shelley. Put them in the rotten-apple basket with Shakespeare and Bryant, foul corrupters of youth. I blame Homer.

3

cornbread ninja

@tchrist D'oh!

Mahnax

@cornbreadninja Nice.

cornbread ninja

@Mahnax I'm a fool for blue.

KitFox

Sweet!

Oh.

The pen is blue.

Mahnax

18:21

@cornbreadninja I prefer silver in a pen, or maybe black.

tchrist

@Mahnax No, haven't.

Mahnax

@tchrist A right shame that is.

cornbread ninja

@KitFox you don't have to work blue to get a laugh!

Mahnax

lamyusa.com/lamy_fountain_L68_studio.php

This one is nice too.

A wee bit on the pricey side, though.

cornbread ninja

@Mahnax drool

I want to cut a bamboo pen.

Mahnax

18:23

lamyusa.com/lamy_fountain_L65_studio.php

They're all so pretty!

cornbread ninja

@Mahnax oh, that's more like it. Probably grippier, too.

This reminds me that I need to find where I put dad's Parkers.

Mahnax

Hmm.

I wonder if the egg salad is all gone.

Robusto

"Say what you want about Icarus, but he was making an innovative use of wax and feathers." — David Weigel, Prog Spring.

RegDwight АΑA

Bah. TPTB are in our proposals closing questions.

KitFox

And eating roses?

RegDwight АΑA

18:28

Interesting that they don't close those exact same questions here on ELU.

Mahnax

Huh.

How is it NARQ?

KitFox

Did you see the answer I left @Reg?

RegDwight АΑA

They also deleted my pledge to use votes with care.

And I only added it there after having seen it on a bunch of other proposals.

@KitFox on the X question? No, I'm only just in. Lemme see.

KitFox

I hate when they muck around like that.

RegDwight АΑA

►

cornbread ninja

18:32

I like the way the review/tools look now, and I couldn't find a decent reason on MSO, so where has my Copy Editor badge progress gone?

@RegDwightАΑA nice.

ΜετάEd

@simchona !

Robusto

Also, TPTB owe me a 9th gold badge. So cough it up, byatches.

tchrist

@RegDwightАΑA Alain amuses.

RegDwight АΑA

@KitFox very good and better than anything I would have produced. Should I buy a hat one day, remind me to tip it.

Now I have to vote to reopen the i.e. vs. e.g. question. This aggression will not stand.

KitFox

@RegDwightАΑA I figured I would turn it to our advantage.

RegDwight АΑA

18:39

Yeah. Good strategy, but I often forget.

tchrist

I want a platinum badge for an answer scoring 500.

KitFox

@RegDwightАΑA Well, I'm new, so...

tchrist

Or maybe mithril.

I rather like mithril.

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist first get to 499, then we'll talk.

The top answer right now is at some 150 somethings.

tchrist

@RegDwightАΑA Well now that you’re home, you might even be able to read it.

Mahnax

18:40

@tchrist Yes, mithril is nice.

tchrist

521

A: Why does modern Perl avoid UTF-8 by default?

: ℞: Set your PERL_UNICODE envariable to AS. This makes all Perl scripts decode @ARGV as UTF‑8 strings, and sets the encoding of all three of stdin, stdout, and stderr to UTF‑8. Both these are global effects, not lexical ones. At the top of your source file (progra...

But this piece-of-shite chat crapulence can’t.

Mahnax

…wow.

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist that's not 499. Try again.

KitFox

Wait, I could help get it there...

cornbread ninja

@KitFox solamente un poco.

RegDwight АΑA

18:42

tchrist

It reads rather better in Opera than in Safari. I know not why.

RegDwight АΑA

I'm no longer twelve and what is this?

Mahnax

tchrist

You can still read it in Safari — it has all the glyphs — but it linewraps suboptimally.

@Mahnax Thank you!

Mahnax

bows

RegDwight АΑA

18:43

@Mahnax well now I know why people upvote it. Nobody reads past the first line.

Mahnax

@RegDwightАΑA But it appears to be a really great answer, too!

RegDwight АΑA

I dunno, I didn't read past the first line, and I had no first line to read.

Mahnax

@tchrist How long did it take to write that?

tchrist

@RegDwightАΑA Since you insist...

425

A: regular expression pattern not matching anywhere in string

Oh Yes You Can Use Regexes to Parse HTML! ⁠ For the task you are attempting, regexes are perfectly fine! It is true that most people underestimate the difficulty of parsing HTML with regular expressions and therefore do so poorly. But this is not some fundamental flaw related to computationa...

RegDwight АΑA

What's the second and the third insert? I can read the fourth and last one, the one on its head.

tchrist

18:45

It’ll get there.

JSBձոգչ

great bloody buddha on a stick, that's a long answer

tchrist

@JSBձոգչ Polonius was a poser.

RegDwight АΑA

@JSBձոգչ I actually thought that the characters I wasn't able to see were some kind of TLDR.

Well, they are in a way.

Mahnax

ΜετάEd

@tchrist That's just really, really ugly.

Mahnax

18:46

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist not bad. Still not quite bobince.

JSBձոգչ

however, i'm glad to see that somebody else here is a perl aficionado

Robusto

@JSBձոգչ TL;DR. I had to use regex to parse my way through it.

ΜετάEd

I can understand giving an example using poorly supported codepoints. But I can't understand using poorly supported codepoints as section headers, etc.

tchrist

@Mahnax ♬ Happy happy, joy joy! ♬

Mahnax

18:46

ΜετάEd

@JSBձոգչ Since Perl 4.

KitFox

fails to retain useless information

Mahnax

JSBձոգչ

heh. i'm not quite that old.

RegDwight АΑA

@Mahnax ah thank you. Now I've seen all I need.

cornbread ninja

18:47

@tchrist teaches your grandmother to suck eggs

Mahnax

And that's the game, folks.

tchrist

I LOVE that double oblique hyphen!!

RegDwight АΑA

That's the only one that displays for me.

I mean. Wait. I can see other hyphens as well.

Mahnax

There's also unicodey things strewn throughout, but I'm not about to screenshot all of those.

RegDwight АΑA

That's not how I meant it.

tchrist

18:48

 ⸗  2E17        DOUBLE OBLIQUE HYPHEN
        * used in ancient Near-Eastern linguistics
        * hyphen in Fraktur text uses 002D or 2010, but with a '2E17' glyph in Fraktur fonts
        x (hyphen-minus - 002D)
        x (equals sign - 003D)
        x (hyphen - 2010)

RegDwight АΑA

Near-Eastern, huh.

I ain't dun no ancient Near-East linguistics but I know it.

tchrist

Isn’t Apple’s PILE OF POO glyph cyool?

@RegDwightАΑA Beats me.

Mahnax

@tchrist They are so great.

💩

tchrist

@Mahnax That doesn’t look like the one in your screen shot.

That one looks like the reference glyph.

Mahnax

@tchrist No?

RegDwight АΑA

18:50

Looks like wasted space to me.

tchrist

The other one has little eyes looking out at you. Check your screen shot above.

Mahnax

Looks the same to me.

tchrist

Why does a PILE OF POO have a smiley superimposed on it? The mouth-on-shit part of if is . . . icky.

Oh, right. Duh.

Mahnax

tchrist

It’s because you sent bits not codepoints with the screenshot.

Er.

Mahnax

18:52

Oh OK.

tchrist

Pix not codepoints.

But isn’t he a cute little pile of it?

Mahnax

Oh yes. Simply adorable.

tchrist

Apply: Their shit may not not stink, but it sure grins!

Mahnax

And now I must away. Farewell.

tchrist

Adieu.

cornbread ninja

18:54

@Mahnax auf wiedersehn, goodbye-eye

ΜετάEd

@Mahnax This is why I am so happy I have figured out how to do private stylesheets in Chrome.

Security by obscurity.

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist now that answer I did read. $votes++ would read again.

tchrist

@RegDwightАΑA Glad you approve.

Just because stupid people can’t parse HTML with regexes doesn’t mean nobody can.

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist yeah I never upvoted bobince's answer by way of full disclosure.

tchrist

I never did either.

I even flag comments that use it.

BTW, just because you can doesn’t mean you should.

I just take exception at people telling me what I “can’t” do. They do not know me.

RegDwight АΑA

18:58

I can barely spell !# / and I parse HTML with regular expressions. As you say, it's all down to the task at hand and your level of comfort. As with any job anywhere ever, really.

KitFox

I wonder if I should be concerned that my A/C is blowing air on me that smells of antifreeze.

tchrist

It’s trying to keep you from getting too cold.

RegDwight АΑA

What do you expect anyway, that it smells of daffodils?

tchrist

If we’re doing fun ones, this one is fun, too:

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