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8:02 PM
@Cascabel four out of six marks for good subjective questions focus on the kinds of answers these questions tend to get.. if we see certain kinds of questions attracting worse answers than others consistently, that might mean they're unfit for IPS. That does mean that other types of questions should consistently get better answers
 
That's more about whether it's possible to support with explanations, isn't it?
 
So, if we could encourage answers everywhere to do back up, it might be easier to see which types of questions are better fit .. ?
@Cascabel maybe a bit too...
 
And again, "explanation" just means "enough for people to understand why"; if people struggle to provide explanations because it seems really obvious, that doesn't mean that it's too subjective...
 
@Cascabel it might mean you should've left it to someone else to explain...
But that's a different discussion
 
Okay but yeah, I'm talking about what you said about scope.
 
8:06 PM
Ah man
A meta discussion and I missed it
 
@Cascabel To me, it's always all kinda intertwined and related. Better questions would invite better answers, while answers should be perfect no matter the question
 
In my defense, I was having ultra delicious homemade pizza
 
Guess that's one downside of seeing bigger pictures
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ yuk, pizza
 
@Tinkeringbell another is bandwidth usage
 
I don't think you can exactly fault a question for falling afoul of good/bad subjective because it attracts answers without explanations where the authors think it's just really obvious common courtesy or some such.
 
8:08 PM
@Tinkeringbell Europeans
 
I completely agree with you if it's like "should I break up with my girlfriend" and you can tell it's bad subjective because the answers are all opinions.
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I'm pretty sure lots of people eat and like pizza here
 
@Cascabel at this point, I think your discussion is pretty qualitative. You need concrete or wooden examples
 
I'd like to see more people posting questions related to social norms as mentioned in the help center. I have a question I've been thinking about posting on that subject and I'd like to get some opinions on if it would be a good fit. The question would be about why people tend to say things like "I'm sorry" when trying to show empathy.
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I did have an example to start all of this.
 
8:10 PM
@Rainbacon doesn't stuff like that devolve into language discussions?
@Cascabel it seems to be about providing explanations, not what constitutes as POB, I think
 
(I'm saying I think there's a lot less value in adding cursory explanations to things like this than more serious/subtle issues, and a policy on "you must back up all answers" has to keep this in mind.)
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Tinkeringbell was the one who said that "back it up" could help define scope by highlighting cases where people couldn't do so with anything but opinions.
 
You must back up all answers would suck as policy
It'd be just like required research for questions
 
45 mins ago, by Cascabel
Presumably the answer is that you need enough explanation for a reasonable reader to understand why you're suggesting what you are?
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I like to see all answers backed up. Doesn't mean it's a policy that people have to, just that it's nice if they'd be willing to add to their answers
 
I actually agree with that, but I think the issue is less that and more what constitutes backing it up.
 
8:15 PM
@Cascabel this stuff is implied etiquette for high quality, SE answers. Evaluating an answer based on a mental image of a good, SE worthy answer works better than discussing it
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ it certainly could, which is why I'm asking about how good of a fit it might be
 
I don't think that you always need a paragraph or two about culture or nuances or whatever (like in the noted example).
 
@Rainbacon then I'm the wrong one to ask :) A certain @Tinkeringbell or @Cascabel or any other bells could answer it more reliably
I think you should type out at least part of it
 
@Rainbacon I think that one is already pretty much about language?
I mean, the first definition in Google's dictionary onebox is:
> feeling distress, especially through sympathy with someone else's misfortune.
> "I was sorry to hear about what happened to your family"
 
It's limited to either English or English culture.
 
8:19 PM
@Rainbacon We've had a few about why people say certain stuff in certain situations. Lemme look it up for you once I'm off mobile, which may be tomorrow ;)
 
It literally means sympathy and/or empathy in English, I'm not sure how much of a social norms question there is.
 
I never say "I'm sorry" to empathize in, say, Persian or Turkish
Because I'm a jerk, and no one does it
But mostly because I'm a jerk
Okie dokie, 1 a.m. Good night all!
 
It might have been a stronger question if I didn't know they were being empathetic. It used to always seem strange to me that people would apologise for something they didn't do. Then I had someone explain empathy to me so I at least can recognize when someone uses it
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Sleep well!
 
@Rainbacon I suppose. I'm afraid you might still run into the issue that ultimately, it was a language issue - they were using a short phrase for one concept, and you thought they meant another?
 
8:33 PM
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Q: How to ask if people are gambling for "real money" with leaving possibility not to join?

bighouseI don't normally gamble. On the rare occasion, if asked by a group of friends, I may consider it if it's not for much money. (for example it's possible everyone is given chips for free and return them at the end so no real money is involved). How do I ask how much money, if any, people are planni...

 
@Cascabel that's definitely a possibility. I'll try looking for some of the questions that tinkeringbell mentioned to see if I can get a feel for the question style
 
8:50 PM
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Q: Roommate with mental health issues

hotahota86I live in the United States and moved into a new house with some other guys a few months ago. There are four of us in total. Three of us (myself included) are in our late 20s and one guy is older (we'll call him Bill). The older guy (Bill) has shown numerous signs of having paranoid delusions ...

 
This sounds like a serious problem and one best left to mental health professionals. As much as Interpersonal Skills would want to help, I think this is seriously out of our collective depth. — baldPrussian 8 secs ago
#13469 baldPrussian (12452 rep) | Q: Roommate with mental health issues (score: 0) | posted 18 minutes ago by hotahota86 (1 rep)
Matched regex(es) ["possible-aic"]
 
Hope that helps, if not, I can look further for you ;-)
 
9:17 PM
@Tinkeringbell Thanks. The first one definitely looks more similar to my question. It's also (i think) the lower quality of the two questions
 
@Rainbacon Yeah, I know. We can do a little refining tomorrow if you'd like/think it's needed. Or get someone to help you tonight :P
 
@Tinkeringbell That sounds good, I'll give it a bit more thought tonight and see what I can come up with and I can bring some things back if I can't get the question where I would like it to be.
interpersonal.stackexchange.com/a/13470/11659 This could use some R/A flags
 
+1 And if the kids get bored and complain, just roll out the good ol' fashioned "Well, when I was your age we didn't have them computer telephones" — Maxim 1 min ago
#13474 Maxim (2617 rep) | A: What’s the best way to decline sharing my WiFi password with neighbours? (score: 1) | posted 3 minutes ago by baldPrussian (12452 rep)
Matched regex(es) ["+1"]
 
9:32 PM
@Rainbacon That should be gone now ;)
 
@Tinkeringbell Glad to see you are putting your new powers to good use ;)
 
9:45 PM
@Rainbacon I am too. An idle mod does no good. On that topic, an idle anything does no good.
@IPSCommentBot No longer needed.
 
They have a lot of trouble with people arguing contentious issues in the comments here; sometimes "explaining" downvotes is used as an excuse for that. I'm pretty sure it's still OK to comment if you legitimatly have suggestions to improve an answer. I'm happy to upvote yours, as it is clear & well written with personal experience. Even though it is not useful to me (the opposite of a germophobe!) it could well be useful to others. — jkf 51 secs ago
#13461 jkf (148 rep) | A: How to refuse to shake hands without offending the other party? (score: 2) | posted 3 hours ago by Patrick Parker (129 rep) | edited 2 hours ago by Patrick Parker (129 rep)
Matched regex(es) ["chatty"]
 
Hey, y'all! We've got two RO spots open since AJ and Tinkeringbell are mods now. I know we've got a lot of mod presence in here so it may not be "necessary" but if you're interested in the post, let us know and we'll discuss who might be a good choice. Deadline to throw your hat in is Tuesday 11:59 PM
 
@Catija I'll put myself up for minor consideration. I'm familiar with the tools. Spent some time moderating content.
 
@Catija do I assume the usual caveat that it's still a benevolent dictatorship?
 
Please read: Minor consideration
 
9:58 PM
@Catija I have a grey wool cap I can toss in.
 
@ArtOfCode And the benevolent dictators serve at the pleasure of the mods... you piss us off, you go away.
 
that's the one
 
Scratch that: Medium consideration
Does the hat have to be a specific color? Or am I missing something?
 
@Catija I would be interested, though I'm somewhat new to chat (been around for a few months now)
 
user15026
I'm too blue to offer, and most hats look horrible on me :P
 
10:12 PM
I mostly wear green hats, and only in the winter
 
user15026
I do have one winter hat I like, it's a rainbow coloured winter hat
 
user15026
but summer hats never look right
 
We need to vary our metaphors so that we can joke about things besides hats more often.
 
@user477465 I think I agree that she got the wrong diagnosis. A psychiatrist might be better than a therapist. Regular therapists aren't supposed to diagnose anyway (maybe the therapist was guessing rather than diagnosing). I'd suggest investigating dependent personality disorder, bipolar disorder, and post traumatic stress disorder. I'm not a professional, and that's not a diagnosis. — Shule 1 min ago
 
Does anyone have a goblet of fire? That should suffice to give us a new metaphor
 
10:20 PM
#5181 Shule (145 rep) | A: How can I get a friend to stop calling me all of the time? (score: 39) | posted 192 days ago by curiousdannii (916 rep) | edited 192 days ago by curiousdannii (916 rep)
Matched regex(es) ["chatty"]
 
11:02 PM
+1 Isn't the nerd's standard fix for this joining a RPG gaming group? Worked well for me :-) — AllTheKingsHorses 46 secs ago
#6515 AllTheKingsHorses (3759 rep) | A: Do I need to force myself into social interactions (score: 18) | posted 162 days ago by Magisch (7755 rep)
Matched regex(es) ["+1"]
 
11:23 PM
 

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