Root Access

Bob

15:02

@satibel blog.online.net/2017/07/18/…

> To sustain our growth, we'll massively open new positions in Paris in the coming months! You can already send us your resume at jobs at online dot net

bwDraco

Just got a Franklin Sensors ProSensor 710. It's basically an array of stud finding sensors with a 13-position LED readout. Wow. Just wow.

This thing absolutely works.

amazon.com/ProSensor-710-Franklin-Sensors-Precision/dp/…

Oliver Salzburg

@bwDraco Nice

What made you buy one?

bwDraco

Renovations.

Bob

We used the tried-and-tested "drill holes until you hit something" strategy :P

Oliver Salzburg

Does that also work for cables behind drywall for example?

I mean the tool, not @Bob's strategy

I'm well experienced in the latter

Bob

15:07

@OliverSalzburg Sure does - if the power goes out you probably hit a cable ;)

Oliver Salzburg

Been there ;D

bwDraco

@OliverSalzburg Unfortunately not - but it does give exact stud position.

Bob

@OliverSalzburg I've tried to use the non-contact detector on my multimeter for that. Problem is, it ... well, it goes off on solid brick walls -_-

not much use for finding cables inside the wall

Oliver Salzburg

:D

djsmiley2k

tap the wall

brick doesn't sound the same as coving for wires,..

boom, you know where the wires are :P

lol @Burgi my Cheshire Oaks photo of Krispy Kreme just hit 500 likes

bwDraco

15:13

@Bob We have a non-contact voltage detector for this purpose.

djsmiley2k

only works if you've got proper walls tho

Burgi

does it work if the wires are in that metal ducting?

allquixotic

0

A: Excel questions should not be on SuperUser, another StackExchange should exist for it

The notion of "topic" or "subject" (of a Stack Exchange site, or anything in general) is completely arbitrary. The broader concept is called categorization. Enforcing categories on the natural world is a human construct that is completely synthesized, meaning that human beings imagine categories...

Bob

@bwDraco I literally just said a NCVD doesn't work on these walls

like, you actually replied to it

Maniacs of Noise (MoN) - Happy H. Christmas (1999)

►

bwDraco

@Bob Whoops.

Burgi

15:26

@Bob is the clay iron-rich?

Andy K

bye folks

Bob

@Burgi hell if I know, the house is older than me

Burgi

are they red bricks?

Bob

probably? behind paint and render

the exterior is red (ish)

Burgi

red bricks come from iron-rich clay (iron ore is a weird reddish rock)

almost everything in manchester is made from red brick

That REDACTED Guy

16:10

Hello Rahul

Rahul2001

@ThatREDACTEDGuy hey

Gtg, mum is pissed

Goodnight folks

Burgi

pissed as in drunk or pissed as in angry?

That REDACTED Guy

Yes

djsmiley2k

16:27

indeed.

@Burgi btw what makes the purple bricks I sometimes see

as you seem to now be our resident brick expert

Burgi

@djsmiley2k unicorn poop

djsmiley2k

I hadn't made the connection between iron oxide, and red bricks yet.

(iron oxide, aka rust, is red)

That REDACTED Guy

1 min ago, by djsmiley2k

as you seem to now be our resident brick expert

As in "Help me @Burgi my phone has bricked!", or as in "I hate that guy, hey Burgi brick his phone"?

djsmiley2k

s/phone/face

Burgi

Step 1: Take one red house brick
Step 2: Place phone on the floor
Step 3: Drop brick on to phone
Step 4: Repeat Step 3 until your phone is thoroughly bricked

djsmiley2k

16:31

/me waits for someone to take offense

That REDACTED Guy

@djsmiley2k I'm offended by your mocking of people offended

djsmiley2k

:O

That REDACTED Guy

Found a picture of @Burgi!

Burgi

@ThatREDACTEDGuy i'm doing my pink floyd impression there

That REDACTED Guy

Burgi

16:37

@ThatREDACTEDGuy nice ~~penis~~ picture of Pink Freud

djsmiley2k

-1

Q: How to torrent anonymously?

How I can download torrent and remain anonymous ? I know how I can torrent over Tor, but I know it's something I shouldn't do. Soo is there other way to torrent anonymously ?

that needs.... work

I flagged as low qual, but jeez not sure it's even worth saving

of course you can torrent legit, but if so, why anon? ( @Avery maybe you can ask this question better, considering your situation... ? )

Burgi

VTC thinly veiled attempt at piracy

That REDACTED Guy

I have a question about REST and HTTP. It's a silly question that doesn't warrant an actual question on the site.

> This introduction will demonstrate how the set of design principles, known as REST, underpin HTTP

> un·der·pin
ˌəndərˈpin/
verb
verb: underpin; 3rd person present: underpins; past tense: underpinned; past participle: underpinned; gerund or present participle: underpinning

support (a building or other structure) from below by laying a solid foundation below ground level or by substituting stronger for weaker materials.
support, justify, or form the basis for.

Does that mean that HTTP is built on top of REST?

I'm confused.

djsmiley2k

other way around @ThatREDACTEDGuy

rest, is underpinned by HTTP

as in it uses http

it should say REST/HTTP

say way we have TCP/IP

That REDACTED Guy

"the set of design principles (known as REST) underpin[s] HTTP" === "rest underpins HTTP" != "rest is underpinned by HTTP" == "HTTP underpins REST"

djsmiley2k

16:50

> In practice, most - if not all - RESTful APIs currently use HTTP as a transport layer, since the infrastructure, servers and client libraries for HTTP are widely available already

REST is an idea, which HTTP happens to comply to

Ben N

Most REST APIs go over HTTP, but one could argue that the REST philosophy is the base of HTTP

djsmiley2k

VEHICLE is an idea, which CARS comply to.

That REDACTED Guy

@djsmiley2k Damn now I am even more confused.

djsmiley2k

FOOD is an idea, which CAKE complies to.

That REDACTED Guy

IMHO "cars" is a subset of "vehicles".

djsmiley2k

16:52

it's not about sets.

it's about vague ideas of something

That REDACTED Guy

"Commerce" is an idea, which "retail" is an... implementation?

But REST is not an implementation of HTTP

I AM CONFUSED

djsmiley2k

rest is the idea that a protocol should work in a perticular way

That REDACTED Guy

@djsmiley2k This quote makes sense. Where is it from?

djsmiley2k

@ThatREDACTEDGuy restcookbook.com/Miscellaneous/rest-and-http

That REDACTED Guy

Thanks!

djsmiley2k

16:53

np

That REDACTED Guy

I'll read it

djsmiley2k

it's hard to explain, i'm trying to think up a good way of ELI5

I know what they, and I mean, but without already knowing.... it's difficult

REST is an idea, not an implementation

a restful API works in a perticular way

as in you can expect it to do things

but it isn't coded in any perticular way

Bob

17:09

@JourneymanGeek New Dawn - Visions of Atlantis 🎶

Bob

17:31

@JourneymanGeek The Edge of Infinity - Lunatica 🎶

Steven Vascellaro

17:42

I'm noticing that questions about microsoft-paint can vary a lot depending on the specific version of paint

It may be worth splitting it up into separate versions, similar to Microsoft Office

djsmiley2k

I've never really noticed changes in paint tbh...

Steven Vascellaro

22

Q: Where has "invert colors" gone in the new MS Paint?

I'm wondering where the old "invert colors" feature from MS Paint has gone. My new version of MS Paint 6.1 doesn't seem to have this feature?

microsoft-paint

Questions like this are fairly specific to one version

djsmiley2k

@StevenVascellaro there's only 65 questions total...

Steven Vascellaro

True

djsmiley2k

and the version is already clearly stated in the question, I don't think it's an issue currently

[[microsoft-word]]

errr

Steven Vascellaro

17:45

@djsmiley2k That's a good point. I hadn't actually noticed that

djsmiley2k

what am I forgetting.

Steven Vascellaro

Also, it's [tag:microsoft-word]

djsmiley2k

ty :D

microsoft-word for example

It needs the versioning, even without specific versions there's 4.8k questions

Steven Vascellaro

Even more helpful, all versions of microsoft word with microsoft-word*

5,964 questions

djsmiley2k

well that's clearly wrong then

Steven Vascellaro

17:46

Tag wildcards are one my favorite hidden features

djsmiley2k

as there's 8.4k just tagged with microsoft-word.

oh wait

4.8k, duuur

Steven Vascellaro

@djsmiley2k Some questions are only tagged with a specific version of microsoft word

djsmiley2k

so ~1k questions removed, by using specific version tags

Steven Vascellaro

Yep. <s>Example: https://superuser.com/questions/241799/how-can-i-make-just-one-page-of-a-word-document-horizontal</s>
Better example: [microsoft-word-2010 -microsoft-word](https://superuser.com/questions/tagged/microsoft-word-2010+-microsoft-word)

Does chat not support <s>?

Ben N

In chat, it's ---strike--- (~~strike~~)

Steven Vascellaro

17:52

I seem to have broken hyperlinks by confusing chat with HTML

Steven Vascellaro

18:06

Hmm... Which would make a better question:
"What version of MS Paint shipped with Windows XP?" or
"What version of MS Paint shipped with each version of Windows?"

Oliver Salzburg

I'd prefer the second one

Steven Vascellaro

I'm also debating whether I should frame it as "What changed between versions of MS Paint", since I know there were changes made in Windows 10's creators update

But that might be too broad?

Does the question look ok? gist.github.com/Stevoisiak/20fd1afcc70ba6f6f57772a2ab97d7c0

Avery

@djsmiley2k seedbox

djsmiley2k

@Avery and pay via bitcoin or w/e ?

Avery

I honestly just rented out a vps and just run deluged on that

djsmiley2k

18:18

@StevenVascellaro I personally dislike questions that aren't a problem.

You end up just asking for lists.

And if you want a list of things, wikipedia has you covered - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Paint#Initial_versions

Steven Vascellaro

I mention that in my question. Wikipedia doesn't list version numbers

Also, Wikipedia only lists 5 versions of paint. Windows 7 uses 6.1

djsmiley2k

ok

what point does the question serve?

who is it going to 'help' by existing?

That's what annoys me about this kind of question.

'What happens if I put a light bulb in the sun'.

'What happens when my toast is blue'

wat. ;D

Steven Vascellaro

@djsmiley2k It's helpful because it helps me solve issues with MS Paint other users have had, since I can correctly identify their specific version

It's why versions of Microsoft Word include the year in the program title

djsmiley2k

And you can never actually accept an answer, because you can never be sure it's correct. And if you could, you already have your answer.

@StevenVascellaro except when they don't?

Steven Vascellaro

@djsmiley2k It shows the version on the startup loading screen

djsmiley2k

18:24

Is the version of paint not tied to the version of windows

@StevenVascellaro really?

:D

because 2016 doesn't

Steven Vascellaro

Wait, it doesn't?

djsmiley2k

MS has moved away from the ideas of versions for software, because in the end they don't make sense any more.

=)

Steven Vascellaro

Also, Wikipedia says that Windows 7, 8, and 10 all use paint 6.1

djsmiley2k

i.e. Chrome 600420320t-3u3-u29u394u2349u2w!!!!!!!1111oneoneone Extreme Uberfast mega upgrade edition.

@StevenVascellaro ...

ok

Do you have proof they don't?

Steven Vascellaro

But I believe that version was incremented with Windows 10's creators update

djsmiley2k

18:26

I know 'Fresh Paint' exists, which is a upgrade of the original paint program

but I believe the old 'mspaint' still exists.

Steven Vascellaro

I'm specifically trying to find out what version was used in Windows XP

djsmiley2k

I can check tonight

Steven Vascellaro

I thought that was Paint 3D?

djsmiley2k

so from vista, it looks like they didn't do any major changes, until creators update

so I have a list now of pre-6.1, 6.1, post-6.1

:D

Steven Vascellaro

I'm also asking because I'm a Wikipedia editor

I want to add the version numbers to Wikipedia

djsmiley2k

18:28

fire up a xp vm?

/me tries to think if he has any here at work he can check

Steven Vascellaro

Wut?

Is that in every chat server?

djsmiley2k

nah

just here ;D

Avery

for example on gaming.se's chatrooms if you send a message saying "insert coin" it has an easter egg

Ben N

@StevenVascellaro I have an XP Paint file that has a version of 5.1.2600.2180

Steven Vascellaro

Thanks. I've updated my question so it includes a more direct problem per djsmiley, and includes Ben's reported version from XP. gist.github.com/Stevoisiak/20fd1afcc70ba6f6f57772a2ab97d7c0

Ben N

18:42

Paint did change somewhere along the way from Vista to the current Windows 10 - it now has an "Open Paint 3D" button in the Ribbon

Steven Vascellaro

@BenN I believe that was the Windows 10 Creators Update

djsmiley2k

heh

i believe my wifes laptop may of taken 4 hours last night to install that update

it was finished by the morning, it managed 15% while i watched GoT.

Steven Vascellaro

@djsmiley2k Thank you for the feedback about addressing an actual problem. Leading with "I'm an editor for Wikipedia trying to update the version history" gives a much more clear purpose to my question

djsmiley2k

=)

Steven Vascellaro

I'll probably check the version on my Windows 10 machine at home before posting the question.

I'm fairly happy with the current draft: gist.github.com/Stevoisiak/20fd1afcc70ba6f6f57772a2ab97d7c0

bwDraco

19:04

phew

Just finished drilling some holes into porcelain tile.

Diamond drill bit and all.

djsmiley2k

ew

you managed it without shattering?

bwDraco

With a diamond drill bit, you're basically grinding down the tile.

djsmiley2k

yeah

I've heard stories of shattering

bwDraco

You're not hammering it or anything.

djsmiley2k

when we spoke to builder about our bathroom

@StevenVascellaro for example this question

-1

Q: Does restoring a previously deleted Google account somehow someway change its status?

I previously deleted my Google account, but then decided to restore it, and I successfully did. I was thinking, does going through this process make the account different from other accounts? This is a noobie question from a noobie guy, please try to ignore any noobieness if you can. :)

user-accounts google-accounts google

what is the point of it.

If answer is yes:.... do nothing

bwDraco

19:08

Basically, it's a drill bit with pieces of synthetic diamond welded to the tip. You're grinding through the tile and eventually the concrete behind it.

djsmiley2k

if answer is no:.... do nothing.

maybe it was cutting the tiles he warned us about, I can't remember

Steven Vascellaro

@djsmiley2k My issue with the linked question is moreso what "change its status" actually means

That's an incredibly vague description

Before that I'd want to ask what exactly the "status" for an account is

bwDraco

@djsmiley2k They use an angle grinder for this purpose. That's still grinding down the material.

djsmiley2k

@StevenVascellaro nod

it changes from disabled tho ;D

Steven Vascellaro

@djsmiley2k I've always thought of Super User as a collection of solutions to specific problems. Users finding a specific question can share the same issue, even if the why changes from person to person

That's why I'm usually not concerned with discerning the reason why a question was asked. Everyone can have their own reason for the same question

djsmiley2k

19:18

I agree to a point

but there comes a point where you're just trying to be google, and index 'everything'

Steven Vascellaro

I suppose the difference is that Super User (and SE in general) indexes information for solving specific technological problems under a single community, while Google tries to bring together scattered information by indexing everything

As an example, when I search technological issues on google, I've started checking results from Stack Exchange first

Because it's typically the fastest, most direct way to an answer

djsmiley2k

nod

I agree

But I'm unsure what problem said question would solve :)

Steven Vascellaro

Also, it's really annoying to ask a question, only to be told "Why would you want to do that?"

:P

djsmiley2k

That the user stating 'I have version X of paint'

@StevenVascellaro lots of people don't know they have X->Y problems

Steven Vascellaro

@djsmiley2k There's a comment on MSE I've always liked about the XY problem

"XY problems are sometimes useful because the answers could help the questioner understand why their solution wouldn't work, and better understand the original problem in the process."

I judge questions based on, "Could this be helpful information for someone in the future who may have a similar issue"

Or, if it just seems like a really good question. :P

djsmiley2k

19:35

@StevenVascellaro oh yes

but soetimes you can't answer a question, because the user hasn't accurately discribed it

Yesterday I saw a question stating 'I won't use powershell because it's missing a command I need' -- the user then didn't provide whatever command was missing, so there's no way to diagnose if they could have a solution without it...

allquixotic

My cat wants me to know that it's her.

> Me!

Steven Vascellaro

@djsmiley2k Well that means the question simply needs more detail.

On an unrelated note: It's amazing how much higher the average question quality is here when compared to Stack Overflow

The average post in SO's review queue is simply mind-shattering

DavidPostill

@djsmiley2k That can be because the tile is not properly supported. If it's already on the wall or floor there may be insufficient adhesive behind it, leaving a void and uneven stress on the tile when you drill. Alternatively somebody can forget to switch off the hammer mode on their electric drill :)

djsmiley2k

19:52

lol

@DavidPostill or because he's just a bit of a **** i guess

(he is lol)

DavidPostill

The real trick is to cover the proposed hole with several layers of strong tape. That stops the drill bit wandering about when you start the hole. And if you are drilling a large hole drill a smaller pilot hole first.

Been there, done that :)

djsmiley2k

ALso makes sense

William

20:30

so I need help embedding disqus into a static site anyone have any guesses/is there a SE site that this is an appropriate question?

Steven Vascellaro

20:45

@Mokubai Would my question be more on-topic if I deleted it and reposted to only ask about Windows ME?

Mokubai

@StevenVascellaro I've just posted my thoughts on your question.

My main problem is that your only real problem is "gathering information to put on Wikipedia"

Which isn't really a problem.

At least not one with computer hardware or software. It's a problem with information availability that is only broadly computer related but not specifically a "computer" problem.

@StevenVascellaro I get that you're wanting to be helpful and gather information, and your questions do tend to be clear and well asked, but questions need to be clearly about a problem with computer hardware or software.

Not just tangentially related.

Steven Vascellaro

@Mokubai Does that mean similar questions about versions should be considered off topic? (i.e. What version of java (if any) comes with Windows 7 default install?)

Mokubai

@StevenVascellaro The part which states "Is java even installed by default in windows 7?" is a simple problem and can have a reasonably definitive answer, which it does. I'd class the "What version" part to be too broad.

Steven Vascellaro

@Mokubai I'm a bit confused why that would be considered too broad. I'd have considered "What version" to be a more specific question

barlop

Is the suggestion of supersoftshower.com from chrome, evidence of some malware?

Steven Vascellaro

20:54

@barlop It could just mean someone else visited the site while using your computer

barlop

I cleared my history.. the only place it could have checked is bookmarks but I don't recognize any of those from bookmarks

Mokubai

@StevenVascellaro Service packs, point releases, updates, hotfixes, slipstreamed discs with SP2 or SP3 preinstalled. It needs to be clear what you are asking for. What version is installed is meaningless without knowing what version you are asking about.

djsmiley2k

@barlop it's google trying to complete things for you

go to google.com

type in super and see what it autocompletes with

sadly it's mostly questions about going supersayen or whatever, but the answer stands

barlop

no supersoftshower

Steven Vascellaro

@Mokubai Since I'm not sure where else I could ask about versions, should I discard my question and consider it unsalvagable?

djsmiley2k

20:57

@barlop Have you been to superdrug.com?

it's a shop btw.

barlop

yes I know

Steven Vascellaro

Or would focusing on a specific version be enough to make it borderline on-topic

barlop

the supersoftshower in the url bar didn't look right.. it's not on the web interface.

and interestingly not currently in the url suggestions either.

djsmiley2k

@barlop what about superdelux.com?

Mokubai

@StevenVascellaro Apart from correcting Wikipedia information, what is the actual problem you are trying to solve?

barlop

20:58

not heard of it and also not in the web interface was only in the url bar earlier

djsmiley2k

@Mokubai ^^ This is my point.

There is no 'problem'.

barlop

looks like super soft shower are very good at google

maybe that was all it was.

Steven Vascellaro

@Mokubai The other reason I wanted to know was to help me better answer the select few other MS paint-related issues on Super User

barlop

i guess they paid google too

one of my mspaint questions might've got closed i think

Steven Vascellaro

It can be difficult to answer questions if you aren't sure which version you're dealing with

barlop

21:00

about what version did it become mspaint.xe when it used to be started by pbrush

djsmiley2k

@barlop indeed

they are also very good at youtube/facebook/etc

DavidPostill

@barlop I get a similar list:

barlop

@StevenVascellaro superuser.com/questions/306540/…

djsmiley2k

@barlop I only ever recall mspaint

my list is just stackexchange, etc

DavidPostill

barlop

21:01

windows 3.1 i think it was pbrush

Steven Vascellaro

For instance, one question simply asked "Where did the Invert Colors option go in the 'new' version of MS Paint"

Thankfully, the description specified the version, so I edited it into the title

If someone asks about the Windows Vista version of Paint, I'd like to know what version of paint is actually being used

djsmiley2k

@StevenVascellaro Does it ever actually matter?

Do you ever, 'normally' - i.e. without manually installing a different version, get a different version of mspaint, in vista?

Does the 'vista' version, ever change?

DavidPostill

@djsmiley2k If you type in the location bar it will match items in your history and in your bookmarks.

djsmiley2k

@DavidPostill nod

Mokubai

@StevenVascellaro Knowing about Windows Me isn't likely to help anyone, it was released about 10 years before this site went live...

and was probably dead almost 9.9 years before the site went live as well

djsmiley2k

21:04

As soon as I did www.supe I get supersoftshower as well.

Steven Vascellaro

@djsmiley2k The question would then be, is the 'Vista' version of paint the one from XP, 7, or another version entirely

djsmiley2k

@Mokubai What is dead can never die

Mokubai

If they aren't saying what version of Windows they have, and it is important, then you need to get clarification

djsmiley2k

@StevenVascellaro Does it matter?

Steven Vascellaro

It's clear I'm in the minority on this one, so I'll agree to disagree and scrap my question. :P

Mokubai

21:05

@djsmiley2k huh? is that a Lovecraft reference?

@StevenVascellaro Sorry, it was well articulated, but it was ultimately more of a research task than an actual focused computer problem.

djsmiley2k

@Mokubai Game of Thrones

@StevenVascellaro Sorry!!!

Mokubai

Ahhhh. Not watched it.

djsmiley2k

There's a relgion, who deliberately drown themselves, then are revived on the shore

that's their motto

Steven Vascellaro

21:28

@djsmiley2k No need to apologize! Not every question is a fit for surer user

Just wasn't sure if it was worth spending time revising or refocusing the question to try and make it on topic

Burgi

22:02

why is that torrent question still open?

William

link?

Burgi

5 hours ago, by djsmiley2k

-1

Q: How to torrent anonymously?

How I can download torrent and remain anonymous ? I know how I can torrent over Tor, but I know it's something I shouldn't do. Soo is there other way to torrent anonymously ?

bittorrent privacy

djsmiley2k

twitch.tv/djsmiley2k

because edited, it isn't actually a truely terribad question, just questionable in it's current form...

Burgi

it wasn't edited

djsmiley2k

22:46

it should b e, to remove the illegality bits

wish I knew wtf i was doing wrong in cod lol

Bob

23:57

morn

Ben N

Hi!

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