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user165474
6:00 PM
I thought Conor posted two individual messages >_>
 
@ConorO'Brien can the c count be fewer than n?
 
user165474
@Mr.Xcoder 0/10 not using replies. Also, thanks. Also, that rhymes :D
 
@ConorO'Brien Python: lambda x,y,z:x.split(y,z-1)
I can't just use str.split :/
 
user165474
oh it needs the -1...?
 
user165474
6:01 PM
:I
 
user165474
@EriktheOutgolfer Is that posted or just a CMC, or will it be posted?
 
it might be posted
 
user165474
ok
 
user165474
then I won't answer it in chat
 
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Q: Create your own Red and Black

Stephen SIn the musical rendition of Les Miserables, a song appears called "Red and Black." Here is part of that song: Red - the blood of angry men! Black - the dark of ages past! Red - a world about to dawn! Black - the night that ends at last! Source Your task is to turn input ...

 
user165474
6:04 PM
wait since when was I at 4.8k rep
 
user165474
 
6:23 PM
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Hyper NeutrinoRange without Range Builtin Challenge Given an integer y where y > 0, output a list of in some reasonable format that contains every integer in increasing order up to but not including y, without using any builtin that generates a range of any sort. If your language has a feature whose specific...

 
I suggest that you use some other word than "mess"
perhaps "reverse"?
 
and perhaps include some 2,3,4-length testcases
and to clarify, can you take input as a char array?
 
done
@KritixiLithos char but not string array
 
6:35 PM
I suggest you specify that in the challenge as well
 
e.g. Python's ['a', 'b', 'c', 'd', 'e'] isn't allowed, since those are not chars but strings. in fact there's no "char" datatype in Python
@KritixiLithos isn't that default consensus?
 
ehhh, I'm pretty sure there will be someone that will ask something like this
but I see your point
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Erik the OutgolferInterleaving reversing code-golfstring Given a string, reverse it interleavingly. Here's how to do it for abcdefghi and abcdefghij, 0-indexed: Separate the chars at even indices from the chars at odd indices:a c e g i b d f h a c e g i b d f h j Reverse the chars at odd indices:a c e g i h...

 
for example CJam's ['a'b'c'd'e] would be allowed but it's the same as "abcde" anyways
@NewSandboxedPosts good boy, I cared for you
btw who types NSP's complains?
 
Why is this closed? There are ~30 valid answers
 
6:39 PM
it's too broad anyways
C's {'a', 'b', 'c', 'd', 'e'} would be allowed, but {"a", "b", "c", "d", "e"} would not
 
For my Java answer, I take input via a char array and return a string
 
if it's a char datatype then all good but if they're length-1 strings then not
 
then you should specify that
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Is char** so much worse than char*?
 
char** is a list of strings which is disallowed by default I think
although I can't find the consensus rn
 
6:46 PM
@Mego @KritixiLithos Is that explanation helpful?
 
@EriktheOutgolfer No, it's a list of pointers to character pointers.
There's just an extra layer of pointing.
 
a char pointer defines a string
a TYPE pointer defines an array with elements of type TYPE
 
It doesn't have to
 
so a (char pointer) pointer defines an array with string (char pointer) elements
 
It can just be one element.
 
6:49 PM
isn't {'a'} still an array?
or even just {'\0'}?
 
@WheatWizard so, for example, how exactly do 000 and 001 differ?
 
@KritixiLithos You can see the red arrow on 001 is reversed, so if the pointer moves off the top or the bottom it will end up switching its left and right.
 
so it will be reflected by the centre vertical axis when it moves off the top or the bottom
 
now I think I understand the challenge
and how Klein works
 
6:58 PM
@KritixiLithos I'd say let's follow this consensus
...or just use my own rule
 
7:20 PM
Just some thoughts: As far as I see, the consensus is that we should allow every input format (as there is no easy way to define which of them is "the right way"). I think that sounds right, but is still kind of unfair. For example if the task is to implement a bijective function, could an identity function be allowed as an answer. Because the answer itself is surely a "representation of the input"?
It could make sense to only allow stdin and stdout as i/o, but that would exclude all function answers...
Some say that some i/o formats give unwanted advantage to some languages, but is that wrong? Some languages always have advantage over others both in calculation powers and in i/o. Why would the i/o be different than other features, in that it should not give any advantage?
 
Because if I could look up the golfed answer for a question on stack exchange and execute that, that's unfair, because your program only runs other peoples code. That's the IO advantage we're referring to
 
user165474
tfw you try to use caretreply in comments ;_;
 
What would you guys think of a Golf language where the first character decides the function of the rest of the CP? eg: m would pull up the math functions, s would pull up the string functions, l would pull up the loop functions, etc.
and then there would be a reserved island for some common functionalities.
 
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Q: Find the Odd odds

Wheat WizardGiven an unordered collection of positive integers by any reasonable input method, return all of the sub-collections that have an odd number of odd elements (i.e. have an odd total). For example; [2, 3, 7, 2] -> [3], [7], [2,3], [2,7], [2,2,3], [2,2,7] This is code-golf so you should aim to m...

 
user165474
That sounds like it would be interesting, and you could probably beat Jelly very often with it if it's done right. My concern though is that it would not be able to answer certain challenges where both are required.
 
user165474
7:41 PM
lol I answered ^^ in Jelly and then I thought "that 2-byte powerset looks like 05AB1E will beat it" so I used 05AB1E and beat myself :P
 
Can someone please open the chat sandbox and tell me if their tab is crashing (on desktop)? Trying to confirm a bug.
 
user165474
@mınxomaτ It's not loading; it's just stuck on "Loading Sandbox, Just a second..."
 
Oh.
 
@mınxomaτ Same here
 
I think I did a thing.
 
7:43 PM
Btw, incoming sandboxed post...
 
user165474
I got unupvoted :(
 
@Downgoat You're on macOS, right? What's happening at your end?
 
user165474
btw, Linux Mint here
 
I'm on debian.
 
Windows here :I
 
7:45 PM
For me it also affects other chat.stackexchange tabs.
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

MD XFDraw a complete graph (Connections) code-golf math geometry In mathematics, a complete graph is a simple undirected graph in which every pair of distinct vertices is connected by a pair of unique edges, one in each direction. Challenge The challenge is simple, while your program will likel...

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user165474
Hm. It appears to not cause problems on my other chat tabs.
 
is there a way to make tiny bullet points in markdown?
 
•?
 
Use a smaller caliber.
 
7:47 PM
@mınxomaτ meaning?
 
@MistahFiggins Everything in Markdown is uniform...
 
I tried to surround it with <sub></sub>
 
That was a pun. But nevermind, I don't actually have constructive input.
 
ok
well, I did it,but it's all smooshed now...
nvm, figured it out!
 
Maybe <sub><sup>-</sup></sub>? :P
Nvm that probably wouldn't do anything
 
7:49 PM
@mınxomaτ Doesn't load for me on mobile either.
 
Sorry.
 
What did you even do? lol
 
Ninja'd
 
@MistahFiggins <sub><sup>&#8226;</sup></sub> Works
 
I don't really want to give anyone ideas until this is fixed.
 
7:52 PM
I had to put the <sub> on a different line then the first bit of text (not in a bulleted list) and to put 2 linefeeds in between elements. It works
 
user165474
Weird, chat just went down for me.
 
Is this a dupe? I feel like it's way too simple to not have been asked before
 
user165474
Hm. I just got two unupvotes.
 
@HyperNeutrino I temporarily unupvoted your jelly when it turned out to be invalid
 
user165474
Ah. Okay, makes sense. I would presume someone did the same for 05AB1E.
 
user165474
7:57 PM
I believe I've fixed it now.
 
@HyperNeutrino Have you? both of them seem unchanged
 
user165474
I forgot to update the TIO link. But both of them still fail because I didn't actually fix it -.- I'm working on the 05AB1E one right now and I should be able to fix them both in one byte.
 
I really wish CJam would add a powerset function
 
user165474
I really wish I could find the CJam docs
 
user165474
8:02 PM
oh thanks
 
user165474
@WheatWizard Does this appear to work?
 
@mınxomaτ sandbox work for me
 
@HyperNeutrino Yes
 
user165474
yay
 
I haven't programmed in 05AB1E in a while so it might not work, but it looks like it does
 
user165474
8:14 PM
What does 05AB1E do in 05AB1E? :P
 
42
 
user165474
lol
 
Should I just delete this?
 
user165474
I'd try to improve it. If you don't want to continue on it, I have a similar idea inspired from it that I will post if you don't want to continue on it.
 
Ehh, I think it's too broad. You can have it. :P
 
user165474
8:21 PM
Yay
 
user165474
thanks :D
 
Tell me when I should delete it
 
user165474
Probably now. If I need to copy things from it I can still see it
 
Oh, you can see deleted posts? How much more rep do I need to get to that
 
@HyperNeutrino Converting 05ab1e to base 256 yields Base, iirc.
IDK the original base.
 
8:28 PM
@Phoenix probably hexdec
 
Does hex have e?
Oh wait yes it does
Also, Why is there a leading 0?
Eh, the description is on the GitHub
 
Probably not 256, as well that would only result in 3 characters
@HyperNeutrino Why have you voted to reopen this?
 
How do you know who casts reopen votes
 
I watch the review queue history
 
IMO, I don't see it anything wrong with it be open.
 
8:36 PM
It is way too broad. Its a pop con with no real winning criteria
 
The winning criteria is prettiness. This site should have more pretty things.
 
The criteria as stated in the question is just most votes. The asker also states that answers should be "creative". Even pop cons should have a goal.
 
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Q: generate the DH series

jezI see from this SMBC comic that Zach Weinersmith is offering a generous 14 points to anybody who can find a way of generating the following series: 0, 1, 4, -13, -133, 52, 53, -155 Now, we all know that there are infinite ways of generating any given numeric series, so Zach is clearly just giv...

 
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@HyperNeutrino Try it online!
 
user165474
8:43 PM
Apparently just returns 1 lol
 
Better than what Jelly does
 
user165474
Also, as with the Christmas Tree challenge, I think there's a reason it has score 96. It seems li an interesting challenge and although popcons are typically discouraged I think this one is interesting enough and has enough room for creativity without being too broad.
 
Traceback (most recent call last):
 
Wrong q
 
If you read the wiki it states that all pop cons must have a validity criterion, this question lacks that
@HyperNeutrino Then perhaps it should be locked as historically significant, but its not on par with our requirements of questions
 
user165474
8:46 PM
That would probably be a better idea.
 
user165474
Also sandbox is now broken and we need someone to fix it ;_;
 
user165474
(sandbox chat)
 
I see.
 
user165474
@mınxomaτ what did you do >_>
 
It's not loading for me
Is that the bug
 
user165474
8:48 PM
yes
 
A side effect really. It's hard to tell what will happen at your end, because nothing is supposed to happen.
 
What did you do?
 
59 mins ago, by mınxomaτ
I don't really want to give anyone ideas until this is fixed.
 
user165474
Okay.
 
user165474
I've made a meta post.
 
8:51 PM
If you, or someone else here, figures it out do NOT attempt this in here.
 
I'm not asking for replication instructions. But what happened.
 
@HyperNeutrino That's not really something SE can fix.
 
user165474
Could a mod delete the message though?
 
user165474
without entering chat
 
Via API request I guess
Or via a text-only browser.
 
8:52 PM
Or by disabling JavaScript?
I think those last two just prevent chat from working entirely.
 
JS has nothing to do with this.
 
I can't even view the transcript.
 
Disabling images should do.
 
A mod can delete from the transcript without going into a room.
 
user165474
The transcript was working fine for a bit and now it died >_>
 
8:53 PM
@Phoenix If you disable javascript you can't enter the room
 
Does something want to be deleted?
 
source: I have to enable javascript everytime I want to enter tnb
 
@MetaEd The sandbox chatroom is inaccessible, so yes.
 
I've flagged it for a mod.
I shall create a meta post pot-mortem
 
Is it an svg and does said svg infinitely leak memory.
Goddammit I can't close the tab.
 
8:55 PM
@MetaEd The transcript won't load for me. Good luck
 
I recall you or someone else made an image like that.
 
When I open the mod flag my browser freezes. Don't flag that.
 
@DJMcMayhem Disable images and everything's fine.
cc @MetaEd
 
It is an SVG isn't it.
 
user165474
how does one disable images
 
8:56 PM
From there flag-delete it.
 
^^
 
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Q: Sandbox chat is broken

Hyper NeutrinoEDIT the transcript is broken too The sandbox chat is broken. A message was posted by minxomat and I'm not sure what it is, but it causes chat.stackexchange to stop operating. Sandbox can't load, and it will also freeze other chat windows. I do not recommend opening sandbox chat but the transcri...

 
@HyperNeutrino Oh I don't know. Maybe there's a browser setting >.>
 
user165474
ah i see
 
@Phoenix Please stop trying to guess. Minxo is intentionally being vague so that trolls won't copy
 
8:57 PM
I need to know.......
 
user165474
...
 
Too curious
 
You'll get to know once it's fixed I'm sure.
 
...
 
8:59 PM
@Riker Goddammit
 
@mınxomaτ I have the transcript open. Which message am I deleting.
 
did you actually fall for that lol
 
No
 
@MetaEd It has been deleted already
 
Perfect.
 
8:59 PM
I remember what ppcg soundtrack is
 
@mınxomaτ So I suppose it would be a bad idea for me to open that post's history ...
 
user165474
I would advise against it.
 
@MetaEd I tried. Froze three tabs of my browser. Not sure how.
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user165474
Of course when something's inevitably not a good idea someone will try it.
 
Eight more pixels before my BASIC Mandelbrot program finishes...
It's been running for 14 hours
 
user165474
9:05 PM
computer accidentally runs out of power on the last pixel
 
@HyperNeutrino remembers I'm on a cloud computer
 
user165474
oh
 
user165474
cloud starts raining
 
:P
 
Apparently it does run out of memory. (the site)
 
user165474
9:06 PM
thunderstorm starts and all data is lost
 
@Dennis What browser are you using?
 
@Dennis Suggestion: tio.run -> t.io/run
or just t.io
 
Prolly taken
 
@mınxomaτ are you posting on mother meta about this?
 
9:09 PM
"This could be your new website address! t.io is a premium domain name, being released from an allocation of domains that were previously unavailable for registration."
 
> DOMAIN T.IO IS CURRENTLY NOT ON THE AUCTION
Register your interest in the domain by adding it to your watchlist. We will notify you when the auction will start
sketchy much?
 
At least 6 fig
 
@mınxomaτ Google Chrome
@MDXF Nice idea, but even if I was able to buy it, these domain names usually cost a lot per year.
 
user165474
How much does tio.run cost?
 
I have a .run domain and that's about 30$/y
 
9:18 PM
@HyperNeutrino $27.30 + $0.18 (ICANN) + $2.90 (WhoisGuard)
 
user165474
ooo interesting
 
user165474
/y?
 
user165474
also the dollar sign messes things up because of ChatJax ;_;
 
Solution: disable ChatJax. :P
 
but chatjax is cool
 
9:20 PM
It only makes sense if everybody has it. Everyone else will only see LaTeX.
 
well, seeing the languages people here use anybody here can parse LaTeX mentally lol
 
Interestingly, firefox.io is currently $500, but "lowfare.io" trades for >$100k
 
user165474
ok I'm disabling chatjax
 
Woah ChatJax has trouble keeping up with ^^
 
user165474
if I want it I can always use / $ ... $
 
9:23 PM
@Dennis So are .io domains more expensive than .run?
 
@MDXF yep
 
(guys, be proud of me. That was the first time I used the reply-to-previous-message functionality for a real purpose)
 
@MDXF Not that simple. Desirable domain names are more expensive.
 
Ah okay
Then why aren't .tk domains expensive? They're so easy to remember and are a common acronym for so many things
:P
 
Whoever owns the TLD sets the price.
For example, thisdomainnameisntveryinteresting.run costs $3.88.
 
9:28 PM
It was a joke. .tk domains are free because they're crappy.
 
user165474
wait can i get a tk domain then
 
user165474
*where
 
freenode iirc
 
@HyperNeutrino dot.tk
 
tk domains aren't free. They are free for a time, and the Registrar has a history of taking popular domains away from you.
 
9:29 PM
"Free domains for all!"
@mınxomaτ Yeah, but you can re-register them for free after a year
AFAIK
 
user165474
I just use firebase hosting :P
 
Nope. That's what happened to ppcg.ga. One year later, it's now a paid domain.
 
user165474
alexander-liao.firebaseapp.com :P
 
user165474
(the weird alert box is an Instagram API key)
 
Huh Firebase is pretty good
@HyperNeutrino Wait, so your name is Alexander Liao and you called me out for assuming your gender yesterday
:P
 
9:31 PM
@MDXF tio.tk costs $500 per year. That is $500 dollars away from free.
 
@Dennis Oh yeah, <4 character names are expensive
 
user165474
@MDXF ಠ_ಠ 0/10 that was yesterday stop living in the past
 
user165474
:D
 
user165474
@Dennis isn't it $523 though? |500 - 0| = 523, you probably get 500 because of floating point error
 
Oh that's right, these days I can be a girl yesterday, a dude today, a robot tomorrow and an apache helicopter next week
 
9:32 PM
@MDXF Not sure why. .tk looks sketchy and there are cheaper alternatives.
 
user165474
tkinter?
 
I may or may not have stared at a screen for 24 hours straight with two half-hour breaks to drive to/from work and a three-hour break to sleep
I can barely see :I
 
@MDXF Only 24 hours? amateur
 
@TuxCopter Eh I typically get five hours of sleep then 13-14 hours of screen time a day for work and school but PPCG has begun to take over my life
StackOverflow did that in the beginning. Then I slowly came to realize... SO sucks
 
SO is quite useful when something's borked
 
9:43 PM
No, but TNB is
 
There's generally a question with that problem from 2011 and with an answer at -1
 
True... but I mean the SO community
(sucks)
 
9:56 PM
 
Is anyone here familiar with jelly?
 
Yeah, it's great on sandwiches
4
 
ok, Jelly then.
 
Nope, sorry
@PhiNotPi Are you familiar with Jelly?
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Luis MendoThe strange attraction of the logistic map code-golf graphical-output math number The purpose of the challenge is to approximately plot the attractor of the logistic map as a function of its parameter r (also called bifurcation diagram), or a subregion of it. The appearance of the graph can be ...

 
10:09 PM
@MDXF no
 
ok
 
10:28 PM
@MDXF >_< I was scared of posting on SO for like 2 years beacuse of fear of being downvoted into oblivion
 
@Shaggy It was 8 bytes before I read the rules section and realized the input can have more than one color :-P
 
Anonymous
10:52 PM
@user1502040 A little bit
 
11:02 PM
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Q: We need to talk about the Sandbox

I like my dogWarning: this post will contain things that people don't want to hear. But it needs to happen. Now that that's out of the way, let's get down to business. The Sandbox was a brilliant idea. It allowed people to see what others thought of their challenges before actually posting them. It was a ...

 
hello
 
Hi
 
What criteria should I use to decide whether I can stage out my sandbox question to the golf site?
 
@Downgoat I made socks so I could post without fear of DVs :P
 
@sergiol I don't think there is a concrete way to check whether your challenge is ready or not
 
11:13 PM
@Mego Don't worry, I asked Dennis
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

sergiolNibbles Nostalgia People from my generation certainly know what is the Nibbles game! If you are not here included, what I am asking is a one-line version the level 1 of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmeKHtei0qo (time: 14s—54s) The challenge is to write a game that is a one line, one level Nib...

This is my best one till now
and I want to put in on the main site.
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

sergiolShow key code Inspired by the showkey command. Task You have to output the key and if is a key-up or a key-down event. I exemplify: The output I want: Key X Down Key X Up for both the instants you press or release a key. You can output it on a console or on a GUI. It is code-golf, so s...

 
Time to double-;# it...
 
@ASCII-only how do we want to do typed array literal? e.g. new int[] equivilent. I was tihnking var a = Int[]()
 
11:37 PM
@LuisMendo I was at 178 bytes at that stage! :(
 
user165474
11:51 PM
How do I use bash and search for a string in any file in a folder?
 
user165474
@Shaggy Have you gotten on a computer yet?
 
Does anyone have any experience with creating subreddits?
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

AdnanHurry up, the time bomb is ticking! code-challenge cops-and-robbers kolmogorov-complexity Challenge - Both teams All users are divided into two teams based on their PPCG ID. One for the even IDs and one for the odd IDs. Each user has two options: Start a new bomb Perform a counterattack ...

 

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