The Nineteenth Byte

Oh I see

12:13 AM

Do we have any challenge about printing a scale given a key?

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ biscut = cookie

yes

@quartata uhhhh

now update tf2 server

OK let's take this to the other room

It's very simple don't worry

12:16 AM

@Downgoat it's not a brand though, just a kind

like snickerdoodles

@quartata, you know like everything about something, or at least most things about everything

it's really weird

I am basically a living jack of trades.

you always have the solution to a problem >_>

It isn't something to aspire to be.

@quartata yes, with special interest in 80s pop culture

(just a tip)

12:18 AM

@quartata *aspire

Spelling is not one of those trades.

@Maltysen what's the tie for?

and good luck with whatever it was for

CMC: Is there a letter for which there does not exist an English word that ends in "ire" and starts with that letter?

quagmire

Zaire...

Z

Oh, crap

proper nouns don't count

12:28 AM

llama@llama:~$ for letter in {a..z}; do grep -q '^'$letter'.*ire$' /usr/share/dict/words || echo $letter; done
j
k
n
x
y
z

My dictionary definitely isn't complete, but that narrows it down at least...

That's cheating.

@GamrCorps BTW, your skype sent me a phishing link yesterday

just an FYI

@Doorknob nonillionaire :P

zillionaire

@Calvin'sHobbies x?

Probably

12:32 AM

can't find one

Unless there's a number that starts with X

feersum

Should I make another Seed answer to lastest cops-and-robbers?

Or is that getting too boring

@Doorknob keyboardfire

GamrCorps

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Yeah I noticed that, I am doing my best to prevent it from happening. Thanks anyway!

12:53 AM

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC had an idea for your Google userscript

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC what if it adds a button on Goole search results to copy the actual site link directly, instead of the Google redirect?

@GamrCorps cool, good luck

re

1:13 AM

school system is weird. I have had 100% on every test and HW assignment yet they say I cannot go to next math level next semester

???

@Downgoat haw haw. But seriously, seriously?

@DrMcMoylex he means "i aced all of my math but school won't let me move to the next math course"

and idk my "re" probably cat stepped on keyboard

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I was wondering about that :p

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ wait what you are cat ._. does this mean you step on your own keyboard?

1:14 AM

no

i have 3 roommates

oh :/

@Downgoat but yes, tha'ts how i type

your roommates are very clumsy

not "stepping" per se

but same way you use your hooves

ah ok

blame-paws

1:15 AM

so gaotspek and felniecaht?

pls no

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I know. I was wondering why

oic

@TimmyD Yes, but hooves broke screen :(

@mınxomaτ i will buy for 10 stacks of hay

I have two (very) large dogs in my house, and thankfully I never have to worry about them jumping on my keyboard

1:22 AM

@DrMcMoylex question: if you are cat in hat and dogs have thing with cats, do your dogs chase you around the house?

can answer have dog: no

whack dog once, dog learns

wat

Isn't the cat in the hat like 6 feet tall and terrifying?

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ ;___; y u do dis to por doggo

just gnelt

1:23 AM

I don't see any mods here

gentle

which is weird

doorknob is mod and hes here

dennis too

@Zacharee1 there are 2 plus RO plus 2 other site mods

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1:36 AM

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Q: Green but no Red

Goal: print the word "Red" using all the letters in the word "Green" that are not in the word "Red." Reserved words do not apply, and do not count towards spelling "green" or spelling "red." You can only use the letters g, r and n in non-reserved words. You cannot use the number "0" anywhere in t...

code-golf

@NewMainPosts uhwat?

Will you people stop upvoting my koth, and just answer it already?

Oh, I forgot to vote on it earlier. Does that mean I shouldn't now?

Not unless you're going to post a submission :P

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I meant active

1:46 AM

Faded doesn't mean not present, it just means hasn't posted in a while

@trichoplax yeah, but usually I see blue every other message

that flag though o_O

Maybe you're thinking avatars. Blue is the best avatar color, after all.

Oh I see. Well some of us sleep, and some of us have other things to do. Currently I'm not chatting as much as I'm working on a challenge

@trichoplax last seen: 12 seconds ago

@trichoplax gasp what could possibly be more important than spending your waking hours in chat??? /s

1:48 AM

> working on a challenge

total /s

I got the sarcasm ;)

I delight in taking sarcasm literally

tsk

2:05 AM

Anyone know a language that does not have the concept of upper/lowercase or capitalization?

whitespace?

As in not programming language?

A spoken/written language

oh

Hindi, Gujerati, Punjabi, Bengali

Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic

capitalization is in the minority it seems answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090331035429AA0hLay

Most ideographic languages I'd assume.

2:08 AM

darn it

missed the flag

In romanized Klingon lower and uppercase versions of letters are actually completely different letters

Japanese kana use smaller versions of vowels for some things, but they're not used like capitalization.

I could be mistaken, but I don't think ASL uses case for much either.

Just curious what android:textAllCaps does in various languages.

Probably the same as .toUpperCase() would in Java.

Change it to upper if present, not change if not.

Lojban is lowercase except for some situations in names

2:13 AM

Wait. Don't use android:textAllCaps, for the love of god.

> This may use a "small caps" formatting if available.

ew

It might be nice to see an internet WHERE CAPITALS DON'T EXIST.

Uɴꜰᴏʀᴛᴜɴᴀᴛᴇʟʏ, ᴛʜᴀᴛ ɪꜱ ᴜɴʟɪᴋᴇʟʏ ᴛᴏ ᴇᴠᴇʀ ʜᴀᴘᴘᴇɴ.

Well, until China takes over anyway.

lol

CMC: Write addition function without any arithmetic operator

They're getting close in the tech world: Huawei, Xiaomi, Lenovo, OnePlus, Oppo...

2:20 AM

@Geobits ʏᴏᴜ ʜᴀᴠᴇ ᴊᴏɪɴᴇᴅ ᴜs

ʏᴏᴜ ᴄᴀɴ'ᴛ ɢᴏ ʙᴀᴄᴋ ɴᴏᴡ

ᴏɴᴇ ᴏғ ᴜs, ᴏɴᴇ ᴏғ ᴜs, ᴏɴᴇ ᴏғ ᴜs, ᴏɴᴇ ᴏғ ᴜs!

@Downgoat addition function

I win!

@Geobits no i mean program this is standard loophole

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ No, my smallcap F looks normal. Yours looks like it didn't eat its vitamins.

A: Loopholes that are forbidden by default

265

Interpreting the challenge too literally That is, if the challenge says "write a function that, given a number n, returns the n-th prime", posting something equivalent to: function f($n) { return "the $n-th prime"; }

ᴏʜ, ᴏᴋᴀʏ

ɪ sᴇᴇ ʜᴏᴡ ɪᴛ ɪs

2:23 AM

this is #1 loophole ಠ_ಠ

ʀᴀᴄɪsᴛ ᴀʙᴏᴜᴛ 'ғ's

can we pls use ascii again

@Downgoat So? X without Y is #1 "don't do this" for challenges, so I gave #1 "don't do this" for answers.

unicode small caps = evil

@Geobits that is why it is CMC :P

still -1 for no creativity

-1 to CMC for no creativity too then

2:25 AM

ok fair

but i am downgoat so expected

I dunno. I've always heard goats were very creative. At least in escape attempts and diet, anyway.

so appparently experienced JS engineers are $200K/y... pls halp how drop out of high school

@Downgoat give me a sec

@Geobits we are also creative in which direction we face

JS engineers?? o_O

2:26 AM

@Downgoat I guess there are probably a few JS engineers making that much, but...

@Zacharee1 people who are familiar with the mess called JS dev stack

That's like saying "Apparently musicians/athletes make millions of dollars"

int add(int a,int b)
{
    int sum,carry;
    if (b == 0)
            return a;
    sum = a ^ b; // add without carrying
    carry = (a & b) << 1; // carry, but don’t add
    return add(sum,carry); // recurse
}

@Downgoat somethign like that

@Geobits no i mean like previouslly it was normal salary like 80K but now in 2016 after react/nodejs/babel/webpack mess it has shot up to 200K beacuse no one bother to learn

that's C code

recursive solution

2:27 AM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ +1 for speed

@Downgoat I find it hard to believe, that's all. I've looked at plenty of job sites over the last year, and that doesn't match what I've seen at all.

ugh I hate recursion

@Geobits :/

Is it allowed to create a new code for a challenge that does exactly what the challenge wants in one char?

try query: "experienced react js dev"

indeed.com/salary/Reactjs-Developer.html

2:29 AM

@Zacharee1 You can implement it but not answer the old challenge with it.

Well you can but it's ineligible to win and lame if answering the challenge is all the char does

figured :p

^^

and you'll get downvoted to oblivion

fun!

@Zacharee1 Repeat after me: I love recursion.

@Downgoat Well, it's not close to 200k, and the actual job postings there are rather vague and dumb sounding, tbh.

2:31 AM

I have an hour and a half to make a new language, what should it be/do?

@Calvin'sHobbies I hate recursion

@StevenH. Prove or disprove Collatz

@StevenH. Prove or disprove cats

@Geobits yes but people i have been seeing applying are asking for $180K/y which I suppose is the high end but still

You can ask for whatever you want. Are they getting those jobs?

2:33 AM

most probably

This doesn't seem like a thing for an hour and a half. Neither of those do.

@StevenH. cheddar implementation

@Downgoat And are they straight out of school with no work experience? :P

Don't we already have a cheddar implementation?

Why make another

well they have a bachelors but its from a no-name college and all

@StevenH. beacuse current one is very slow

~300ms start up time

@Geobits ಠ_ಠ gaot has experience, i made various school projects with react

2:35 AM

I'm trying to find the github link for the current but the search is being a jerk, can you give me the current Cheddar implementation link?

@Downgoat I didn't say experience. I said work experience. There's a world of difference.

@StevenH. github.com/cheddar-lang/Cheddar

I'll try to see what I can do to fastest-code-ify it

@Geobits ok fair

Knowing react is probably one of the least important things for most react jobs. Being able to deal with all the petty bullshit that comes with developing in a team of wildly varying skill levels, and all the office politic crap, is usually more likely to get you hired.

They give that a blanket name of "fit" to make it sound normal ;)

2:38 AM

@Geobits yes i have been told this before

@Downgoat Isn't JS slow by default? It seems like an easy speed-up is to port to C or C#

pretty sure co-workers will get mad when they notice i've eaten their laptop

3

But I'm a cynical old man. Go chase your dream job :D

@StevenH. v8 is actually pretty damn fast, I really just didn't consider optimizations during early development

Java developer is listed at 102K, while Java Developer Software Engineer is only 71K?

2:40 AM

.___. what is difference

Yeah. The salaries there are... inconsistent...

It all depends on what job title they use in the listings.

@Geobits ;_; dream job is tin can factory worker

You can't eat your own product, man. That's like rule number one.

that is why i added ;_;. it'll never work out Q_______Q

@Downgoat 102K

2:42 AM

@NathanMerrill :O

lmao at related jobs

> Senior PHP Application Developer

TIL "Senior PHP Application Developer" is related to being "Tin Can Factory Worker"

Superhero comes in at 82k

I know tons of Senior PHP app developers that want to get a promotion and finally work on those tin cans

> Evening Sitter For Toddler

^ reenforcement of "Real super heros don't wear capes"? XD

Goat: 31k

that's quite the variability

it used to be paid 1.5x the national average

2:44 AM

@Geobits ok this is just discrmination

#GoatsShouldBePaidTheSameForTheSameJob

The wage gap is real

> Yard Goat Driver

XD

this is my real dream job

CMC: find the highest paid animal

I got cat at 49K

dinosaur 92k

wow, dead animals are valuable. dodo is at 82K

2:46 AM

rhino at 82K

@Downgoat do you have a full grammar? Or do I have to reverse engineer that

Sloth at 128K!

@StevenH. I have grammars for some parts of the source code

lemme find them

Thank ye much

@StevenH. search

it's in the format

this.grammar(bool,
    [a, b, c], // derivation 1
    [a, b, c] // derivation 2
)

2:49 AM

@NathanMerrill Ocelot 138k

[item] or [[item1, item2]] are optionals. and [item1, item2] is an OR

@Downgoat are you going to write your compiler in Cheddar?

compiler?

er, interpreter

:P

cheddar interpreter in cheddar?

wait what will soucre interpreter be written in

2:50 AM

What's the bool for?

@Downgoat you already have a cheddar language working

if bool is true, then each symbol will be allowed to have whitespace between them e.g. false, ["a","b"] means ab will match but not a b

you simply use that language until you get your cheddar interpreter working

then its cheddar on cheddar

like pypy

but that is interpreted still

compiled cheddar?

2:51 AM

i will be calling like node cheddar.js cheddar.cheddar

I can try to do that

you don't even have an executable for cheddar?

nope :(

nodejs is JIT

that's your problem

(in all honesty, you're fine, I just like the concept of eating your own dogfood)

O_o

you mean eating the tin cans at the factory you work at? :P

2:54 AM

Honestly, I wouldn't mind trying to make a cheddar executable

I mean you could wrap entire cheddar code in one JS file and embed that in an executable which calls node

oooh...

github.com/jaredallard/nexe

nexe seems great in theory

PhiNotPi

@LuisMendo I've successfully created a "X/Y - ε" algorithm which takes two coins X and Y and creates the probability X/Y.

but it doesn't support basic modules like fs (file system module)

2:55 AM

hmm.

@StevenH. A serious request: Make up new words of the same length for various dichotomies so they align better in code. e.g. left/right true/false yes/no in/out

even if you were to pass in your source code through the command line, you still would want programs to be able to read the file system

I wrote "NullPointerBork" on HW... time to see if teacher subtracts points

fs module is also used for STDIN

because it reads from /dev/tty

wow. that's pretty limited then

@Calvin'sHobbies use French:

Left right -> Gauche droite

Yes No -> Oui Non

True False -> vrai faux

3:02 AM

@Calvin'sHobbies L/R, T/F, Y/N, I/O

use goat:
Left/Right->Bleet/Baaaa
Yes/No->blet/baaa
True/False->bleeet/baaaaa

@StevenH. Chic

In/Out can be spanish if you don't care about true grammar: Dentro/Afuera

Lojban:
left / right -> zunle / pritu
true / false -> jetnu / jitfa
yes / no -> je'ago'i / na'ego'i
in / out -> nenri / bartu

@Doorknob You had me until yes/no

5

3:06 AM

Yeah, why is yes/no that complicated? Wouldn't a simpler je/na suffice?

Well, I had to cheat a little to get them to be the same length. Typically "yes" would be «go'i» and "no" would be «na go'i».

je'ago'i isn't usually a valid identifier, nor does it play nice with strings where single quotes would need escaping, though.

@StevenH. Works for open/close -> ouvert/fermer, but not start/stop :/

open / close -> kalri / ganlo, start / stop -> cfari / (fanmo or sisti)

@Calvin'sHobbies *ouvrir

3:11 AM

It'd also be cool if there was a language where the length of words for numbers (or at least positive integers) was directly proportional to their digit length

That would be verbose

@quartata Excusez-moi

@Calvin'sHobbies You could do Spanish for start/stop if you say "initiate" instead of start:

initiate/stop -> iniciar/detener

it's ok nobody cares

@quartata Oh? Say it was only 3 letters per digit. 314 = Thronefou instead of Three hundred [and?] fourteen

3:14 AM

Lojban does that too :P 3 -> ci, 14 -> pavo, 314 -> cipavo

Oh digit length. Oops.

Ohhh, heh :P

If you want it to be proportional to digit length, just use digits :P

Unary words for numbers!

3, one digit. 31, two digits, etc

El'endia Starman

3:17 AM

....so, I just opened up the page for SO's primary and the first nomination I saw was at 245 total score. I thought to myself, "wow, that's a lot". Turns out, that was the lowest score of all of the nominations...

@El'endiaStarman The election is rigged!

@Geobits so you don't have a pronunciation-based alphabet?

@NathanMerrill No, but neither does English, really ;)

at least we attempt

that being said, I'd all be for a language with symbols for each syllable. I think there was a Tom Scott video on such a language...

Kana manages that fairly well.

3:19 AM

> all be

...is that not a common phrase for you?

Nor for me

@NathanMerrill Like one of these?

huh. maybe its a utah thing

@NathanMerrill I'd say "I'd be all for..." but no big deal :P

3:21 AM

both of them seem weird grammatically when I actually consider the words

@Calvin'sHobbies Yeah, to me as well the phrase is "all for" and never separated.

I don't think I've heard all be like that. Must be regional

@Doorknob Perhaps "all in for"

I would parse that as "[all in] for."

all = totally, for = in favor of

That's the way I see it

3:24 AM

@El'endiaStarman I can't fathom wanting to be a SO moderator. At least on code-golf you become famous, where on SO, the site is so huge, I feel like I rarely see them

(I say become, as if they weren't already)

I remember a year when I knew/saw all the people running for SO modship. Not so this time. I only even recognize a few.

The SO ~~mafia~~ mods have a lot of influence on the network especially on meta SE

I would maybe want to be a SO mod, but I'm also sort of attached to my sanity.

I remember most of them but then again I'm weird

@NathanMerrill Round here they seem to favor people with high rep... and Alex

@Doorknob Allinfor sounds like a mystical character

3:29 AM

Indeed.

Indeed sounds like you got hit with a whip.

... outdeed?

Hit by a European car?

@Calvin'sHobbies i dont think its that, more so that users which aren't very-active in the PPCG community look at candidate score which is highly dependent on rep

that said, you don't have any lack of rep ;P

High rep (in general) correlates to number of posts. More posts is more visibility, and more actual reputation. It's fairly natural for elected mods to have more rep than average.

3:35 AM

Everybody in chat has more rep then average, since the average rep is 1. :P

you mean mode?

I'm pretty sure the average is higher than 1

I meant median, but the mean is probably also pretty low

Out of 1200+ pages of users, at least 700 pages have 101+ rep :D

So the median is most likely 101

This page seems to be full of median users: codegolf.stackexchange.com/…

that's a terrible graph. the 1+ includes both 1 and 101

3:38 AM

Yeah, what a weird cutoff there.

although, it is interesting that we have 2 users above 50K, and they are both above 100K as well

I'm fairly surprised there are over 1k 500+ users though.

Average rep is 141

huh, that's higher than I expected

I was guessing more like 120 or 110