The Nineteenth Byte

Nathan Merrill

7:00 PM

we also have a rather popular chat

El'endia Starman

There's actually also a mod-only Trashcan room that I almost never use.

FourOhFour

what gets moved to the trashcan?

Geobits

Trash

FourOhFour

heh

makes sense

Anonymous

Just be glad that mostly the worst that happens here is stuff getting moved to trash

Anonymous

7:01 PM

I don't think TNB has ever been frozen by mods

El'endia Starman

Unrelatedly, apparently this is what it sounds like when a cat runs into a glass door. :P

FourOhFour

Here's something I've been wondering... I found this place a couple months ago from an /r/programming thread. How kindly do you guys take to challenges being linked to from reddit / HN or any other aggregators? Is it a positive for the community or does it cause an eternal september of sorts?

Anonymous

(by mostly the worst, I mean we've had a few suspensions (both automatic via flags and manual by mods), but that's pretty rare)

Anonymous

@FourOhFour You mean our challenges being shared on other sites? We don't mind at all. In fact, there are badges for that.

Yodle

@Mego What's being frozen mean?

There's a bot that tweets some of the challenges, so I don't think it's a bad thing.

FourOhFour

7:04 PM

@Mego huh, that's cool.

Anonymous

@Yodle It means only mods can send messages. It usually happens when a large number of people continually break chat rules in the room, but it's also done automatically when a room is inactive for too long.

El'endia Starman

@Yodle Typically happens if a room has been inactive for two weeks (one week for a private room) where nobody (except mods) can post messages.

Anonymous

However, any influx of viewers will probably mean we have to deal with more low-quality, invalid, and/or non-answer answers.

Yodle

Ahh interesting.

FourOhFour

I imagine that is the case

Anonymous

7:06 PM

Mos Eisley got frozen a while back for continued bad behavior

Anonymous

I think they got their act together, though

FourOhFour

I have another newbie question! Is there a tag for challenges where the program takes one input, checks if it satisfies a criterion and returns a truthy/falsy value as a result? I ask because they are possibly my favourite question styles.

Primenary Strings is the most recent example I think

Anonymous

classification is sort of like that

Anonymous

I don't know that we have a specific tag for those kind of challenges, but maybe we should

Anonymous

decision-problem or the like

FourOhFour

7:07 PM

codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/99781 This sort of thing... should this be classification

Anonymous

No, I wouldn't call that classification

FourOhFour

OK, so it's kinda a different thing

Nathan Merrill

we don't really classify by what inputs or outputs are

Anonymous

I like the idea of having that tag - I'll make a proposal on meta

Nathan Merrill

not saying we can't, but I don't think we have any

FourOhFour

7:09 PM

decision-problem sorta fits

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Q: String Addition (Adding a Maximum of 9+9+9)

The Challenge You must create a program that does addition using string manipulation, similar to: 999 + 1 ---- 1000 Which means the maximum amount of addition possible is 9+9+9. And your code should handle numbers up to infinity (since the addition is done on strings). Breakdown of 999+1 ...

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Q: Do n and n^3 have the same set of digits?

Given a number n (0 <= n <= 2642245), check if n and n3 have the same set of digits, and output a truthy or falsey value accordingly. For example, let's check the number 100. 1003 is 1000000. The set of digits in 100 is {0, 1}. The set of digits in 1000000 is {0, 1}. Therefore, 100 should gi...

code-golf number

FourOhFour

Perhaps qualifies or constitutes

neither of them is descriptive enough though

It's hard to pin down

El'endia Starman

@Mego I can confirm that TNB has only ever been frozen by SE for inactivity.

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman Cool. We behave in here :)

El'endia Starman

I'm quite glad we do. :D

FourOhFour

7:12 PM

An IRC I was once in once spammed so bad that three snoonet admins came in to check out what was happening

good times

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Q: New tag proposal: decision-problem

Inspired by a question in chat from a new user, I thought it would be a good idea to have a tag for challenges where the output is a truthy value if the input meets certain criteria, and falsey otherwise. decision-problem would make a good tag name - it's precisely what these types of problems ar...

discussion tags

Anonymous

I remember getting Z-lined from a fairly large IRC network a while back because a friend and I played room ownership hot potato

FourOhFour

heh

Anonymous

The admins were not pleased about that

Anonymous

I think it was coldfront, so in all reality not much was lost

FourOhFour

7:16 PM

Worst offence I've ever done is nearly loose +v in a channel for spamming while the mod was making an announcement.

Yodle

Good old days of bots

FourOhFour

Oh, and gotten tempbanned for a few malfunnctiong bots

IRC bots are so much fun

Anonymous

IRC is a fun platform for running bots

FourOhFour

That sounds like a KOTH challenge actually...

Anonymous

It's an extremely simple protocol

FourOhFour

7:17 PM

yeah, that's the beauty of it

except each network has it's own implementation of the protocl

Anonymous

Heh, code golf challenge: write a simple IRC client

FourOhFour

Good luck with that one CJam!

which order you send auth messages, where the colons go, etc.

it's differnet everywhere

Anonymous

@FourOhFour They're mostly the same. Only a few differences here and there. Now network services are a completely different story.

TuxCopter

CJam is so 2015

Now it's Jelly ruling the challenges

Anonymous

Colons go in front of parameters that contain spaces

FourOhFour

7:19 PM

huh, really?

I'd have liked to know that before I wrote an IRC framework :P

Yodle

I used to play around with bots on AIM/AOL

Anonymous

Yep, they essentially act as quotes

FourOhFour

That explains an awful lot

hence no quotes for PONG etc.

Anonymous

Where in a shell you would do foo bar "baz bip" "abc def", on IRC you would do foo bar :baz bip :abc def

Anonymous

I was a bored teenager, so I decided to learn IRC :P

FourOhFour

7:21 PM

I still am a bored teenager :D

Anonymous

It might seem like my age is showing, but that was only about 8 years ago

quartata

@Mego Which makes it a pain in the ass to parse

FourOhFour

I'm straight out of /r/lewronggeneration when it comes to messaging protocols

If everyone I knew could ditch fb messenger in favour of IRC channels that'd be great...

Yodle

teenager was 4 years ago for me :P

Anonymous

@quartata [arg.strip() for arg in msg[:msg.index(':')].split()]+[arg.strip() for arg in msg[msg.index(':')+1:].split(':')]

quartata

7:23 PM

Exactly

TuxCopter

@FourOhFour “irc no have emoji” - Typical user

FourOhFour

"But in FB messenger when I press the basketball emoji there's a minigame"

quartata

In a perfect world everything would be escaped

FourOhFour

nevermind that it takes up 15GB of storage and decreases battery life by 60%

Anonymous

That's not even that hard to parse

FourOhFour

7:25 PM

In a perfect world users would be reasonable and just not put spaces in their messages. What's wrong with underscores anyway?

TuxCopter

^

Anonymous

Alternatively, /s*([a-zA-Z0-9]+)/s*|/s*:(.*)(?!/s*:) should work for a regex assuming I didn't screw anything up

TuxCopter

you probably mean \s

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Pay Best Card in Euchre Input: Firstly An array of three cards representing the cards played by each player formatted like [JD][10H][9S] Representing Jack of Diamonds, 10 of Hearts, and Nine of Spades. Secondly A Single Char, String, etc representing the trump suit formatted like S, D, C...

FourOhFour

Regex is still a dark art to me

Anonymous

7:26 PM

I'm still rusty on lookaheads

TuxCopter

@Mego It seem to match :abc def :efg hij as a single thing

Martin Ender

Did someone call me? :)

FourOhFour

If only someone would invent a language purely composed of regex..........

TuxCopter

Retina

@FourOhFour github.com/m-ender/retina

FourOhFour

that's the joke.jpg :P

TuxCopter

7:29 PM

sed also fit the description

FourOhFour

well IIRC (martin can probably correct me) Retina was literally made because sed was a PITA...

Anonymous

@MartinEnder No, but I'll take your help anyway :P How does my regex look? I'm not able to test it right now

Martin Ender

What are we actually matching?

Anonymous

Retina was made to be the end of the arguments over whether or not regex was a programming language :P

TuxCopter

IRC's argument format

Martin Ender

7:31 PM

@FourOhFour I'm not actually all that familiar with sed. I just knew it existed, but I don't think a single Retina feature is inspired by sed.

FourOhFour

Ah, well there's my knowledge of cg.se lore showing it's scantness

So who's going to do something about the 'is VIM / Notepad / PowerPoint a language' arguments?

Anonymous

@MartinEnder IRC-style arguments. Colons delimit arguments (in the form arg1 :arg2), and can be omitted for leading arguments that don't contain spaces (in which case those arguments are split on spaces). Leading and trailing whitespace should not be included in the matches.

Anonymous

This would also make a great challenge

Martin Ender

@FourOhFour Mego pretty much nailed it. I occasionally answered challenges in the language "regex" which usually created debates of whether that's a valid programming language or whether it needs the boilerplate of the host language and stuff, so I ended up writing a language that would let me use regex without any boilerplate.

FourOhFour

@Martin Ender BTW I believe you are to blame for me becoming the laughing stock of my Computer Science class for 'trying to program with hexagons' :)

Martin Ender

7:33 PM

you're welcome :)

@Mego so up to the first : all spaces are delimiters, and afterwards only : are delimiters?

FourOhFour

In all seriousness, Hexagony is absolutely my favourite esolang. If I ever get a free week, I'm going to try to write a Subset of Python -> Hexagony transpiler.

TuxCopter

good luck o_O

Martin Ender

thanks :) (and what Tux said)

FourOhFour

I think that it could possibly done, if you just kinda generate linear scripts and wrap them round a massive hexagon

then control flow is ofc. an issue

But that's the fun of it, right?

Poke

if it's turing complete then it's theoretically possible, right? :D

Martin Ender

7:38 PM

of course it is :P

but I never even wrote a BF-to-Hex transpiler, because even though it's conceptually simple, laying out the control flow would be quite a pain, and it would lead to massive (largely unused) hexagons.

FourOhFour

@Poke in the same way that a Brainfuck OS is technically possible

Anonymous

@MartinEnder Yes

Poke

or you could say it would leave you in ... agony

gah

TuxCopter

For a BF OS you need either a BF interpreter in the bootloader or a BF CPU (AFAIK it exists as a Verilog design already)

FourOhFour

BF -> Hexagony transpiler design:

- Brute force tons of hexagons

- Is it functionally equivalent to brainfuck code?
-> Return Hexagon

- Else, try next hexagon

TuxCopter

7:43 PM

This would be awfully inefficient

FourOhFour

It's only O(n!!)

Martin Ender

@Mego \G\s*([^:\s]+)|:\s*[^:]+(?<=\S) maybe

untested though

Nathan Merrill

@FourOhFour "is it functionally equivalent" is an unsolved problem

Martin Ender

actually, it's an unsolvable problem

(in general)

Nathan Merrill

right, my bad :P

El'endia Starman

7:44 PM

@Poke I oughta hex you for that pun.

FourOhFour

OK, functionally equivalent based on the test cases the challenge-setter put in the OP :)

TuxCopter

Found it!

Nathan Merrill

you'd still run into problems with long/infinite runtimes

Poke

@El'endiaStarman Sixth times a charm (that's not to say you've already attempted five time. I'm just letting you know)

Nathan Merrill

unless you can guarantee that the Hexagony solution will take less than a certain duration

FourOhFour

7:46 PM

Isn't that the Halting Problem?

Nathan Merrill

yep :P

FourOhFour

I'm starting to see why bogosort just hasn't caught on

Poke

@FourOhFour After you solve that you're one step closer to parsing HTML with regex. Wooooooooo!

mbomb007

So the American government went to IBM to come up with an encryption standard, and they came up with EBCDIC.

FourOhFour

nice one @Mego

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Parse a raw IRC message In the IRC protocol, raw messages look similar to this: command arg1 arg2 :arg3 with spaces :arg4 with spaces :arg5 In a shell environment (e.g. bash), that would be equivalent to: command arg1 arg2 "arg3 with spaces" "arg4 with spaces" arg5 The format specification...

Anonymous

7:50 PM

@FourOhFour It's not necessary to post newly-sandboxed challenges (and it's actually discouraged) - we have a feed for that

Anonymous

Don't steal @NewSandboxedPosts's job, please. It only has one, even if it's not very good at it.

FourOhFour

sorry, thought it was relevant to the discussion

Anonymous

It is, but the feed will post it shortly :)

FourOhFour

fair enough :)

It's a neat challenge idea. Challenges which are actually 'real' problems as such are often much more interesting

Calvin's Hobbies

@Mego I'm surprised none of us has made a bot that will post new sandbox/main/etc. stuff instantly, since it can take like 20 minutes sometimes.

FourOhFour

7:53 PM

Do bots hook into the RSS?

or do they scrape SE?

Nathan Merrill

RSS, for sure

either that, or a custom API

Calvin's Hobbies

@FourOhFour Yeah - feeds thingy - chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/240/…

DrMcMoylex

@FourOhFour Are people arguing about that? I have strong opinions on whether or not vim is a language

Nathan Merrill

scraping sounds like a terrible idea

TuxCopter

vim is a language

It's TC and it has been proven

FourOhFour

7:54 PM

It seems like there's at least one comment on each Vim answer complaining

but yeah, I know consensus at least on meta is that it is fair game

DrMcMoylex

I post vim answers almost daily, and I haven't seen those

FourOhFour

I think perhaps on the older posts it was a more contentious issue

Anonymous

@Calvin'sHobbies They'd still have to read the RSS feed, which wouldn't eliminate the bottleneck. It's the feed that takes forever, not the processes that post new feed entries here.

Anonymous

Vim is Turing-complete, so there's really no argument to be made

Nathan Merrill

the generation of the feed, or the feed parsing?

Anonymous

7:55 PM

@NathanMerrill Generation

TimmyD

That "Continuous Monotonic Subsequences" challenge is surprisingly difficult to golf.

Anonymous

The feed takes forever to update. Reading the feed, parsing it, and posting it here is nearly instantaneous.

Nathan Merrill

so, we could write our own RSS feed that parses SE

Anonymous

Yes, but that would be a huge resource drain

Nathan Merrill

or some other mechanism via an API?

FourOhFour

7:56 PM

I would agree that Vim is absolutely OK. That said, I think Notepad is pushing it a bit. Until someone publishes a TC proof for it...

DrMcMoylex

@Mego I've looked into it, but I'm not sure if vim keystrokes are actually TC, only vim keystrokes + vimscript

Anonymous

And the API has a query limit

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Parse a raw IRC message In the IRC protocol, raw messages look similar to this: command arg1 arg2 :arg3 with spaces :arg4 with spaces :arg5 In a shell environment (e.g. bash), that would be equivalent to: command arg1 arg2 "arg3 with spaces" "arg4 with spaces" arg5 The format specification...

DrMcMoylex

I'd love to prove it though

Anonymous

@FourOhFour Notepad is capable of rudimentary find-and-replace, which is enough for our standards (though not for TC-ness)

TuxCopter

7:57 PM

@FourOhFour Yes, but if you post a notepad answer you will be in a rain of upvotes because Notepad

FourOhFour

Whoever it was that posted an answer with Dominoes, I thought that was super cool

isn't the standard task around here to implement a BF interpreter? I could hardly see that being possible with vim keystrokes. I know there's other, more theoretical ways to prove TCness ofc...

Anonymous

It was cool, but unfortunately dominoes doesn't count as a programming language (since it's untestable). Now if someone made a digital domino simulator and wrote programs in that...

DrMcMoylex

@FourOhFour It's definitely possible

Because of vimL

FourOhFour

vimL?

DrMcMoylex

Vimscript

FourOhFour

7:59 PM

ah

TuxCopter

@FourOhFour vim, when used correctly, is pure black magic anyway

Martin Ender

@Mego ahhh, if only we had a challenge for that...

DrMcMoylex

gist.github.com/ZweiSpeedruns/5ad2664333882f0c0e89e44034924e37

FourOhFour

I'm great at vim. I know :w and :wq :P

Anonymous

Technically you can go for an even-lower-hanging-fruit and simulate that variant that only does I/O, loops, and twiddles bits

DrMcMoylex

7:59 PM

That's all you need. :)

Nathan Merrill

the part about a dominoes compiler is that programs would be reversable

Anonymous

@MartinEnder I don't know if we actually do have a challenge for that, so I don't know if that's sarcasm or not :P

FourOhFour

I use vim an awful lot for everything I don't have an IDE for...

DrMcMoylex

Besides, it doesn't really matter whether vim or NP++ is Turing complete because:

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A: Do submissions have to be answered with a programming language?

Answering in non-programming languages is allowed The best challenges are written in terms of input and output. We avoid Do X without Y challenges because the Y is usually not defined in terms of input/output. Disallowing non-programming languages is like disallowing arbitrary classes of langu...

Anonymous

NP++ is absolutely TC. It has full regex capabilities.

Martin Ender

8:00 PM

@Mego I made two, they got exactly one answer each from VisualMelon

DrMcMoylex

Oh, I didn't know that

Martin Ender

one was a simulator, the other was a metagolfer

Anonymous

Oh

Anonymous

Interesting

Martin Ender

codegolf.stackexchange.com/search?q=domino+is%3Aq+user%3Ame

wait, apparently one got another answer

TuxCopter

8:01 PM

Question: What is the ASCII code of <C-a>?

DrMcMoylex

0x01

TuxCopter

~~00 or 01~~ ok thx

Martin Ender

the simulator, but it's Python being beaten by C#, so something's off ;)

FourOhFour

is it NUL

Poke

@MartinEnder That search has user=me which in your case is correct but i didn't write that challenge

Martin Ender

8:02 PM

hm, I thought it replaced the me with the number when submitting

Calvin's Hobbies

@Mego It's 10,000 requests per day for registered apps. That's one request every 8.64 seconds. Play it safe at 1 request per 10s and it's still better than 20min

DrMcMoylex

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A: Mapping Ctrl with equal sign

Unfortunately, this is not possible. Vim relies upon ASCII representations of keystrokes, so it can only map to keys that produce ASCII results. Here is every ctrl+key that you can map to, and the byte it represents. Ctrl-@ 0x00 NUL Ctrl-A to Ctrl-Z 0x01 to 0x1A...

Martin Ender

oh it does, but not in the URL

fixed link

Anonymous

Actually upon further investigation, it's only .NET Regex that is TC

Martin Ender

.NET regex isn't

at least I'm pretty sure that it's not

unless there's a bug somewhere in the implementation that I still haven't found, it's impossible to send the regex engine into an infinite loop on any given input

Calvin's Hobbies

8:03 PM

@MartinEnder It does in the search box but not the url

Martin Ender

@Calvin'sHobbies yeah :/

Poke

@MartinEnder i was going to mention this

Anonymous

Hmm yeah, it's an NFA. I (and that user from Programmers.SE) stand corrected

Anonymous

But NP++ is still TC because of macros

Martin Ender

no it's a lot more powerful than an NFA

(basic theoretical regex is an NFA)

Anonymous

8:06 PM

Basic theoretical regex is a DFA

Martin Ender

DFA and NFA are equivalent

Anonymous

Apparently it is possible to have an infinite loop on .NET regex

Anonymous

NFA = non-deterministic DFA

Martin Ender

yes, but they're equally powerful

@Mego it's not actually an infinite loop. it's just taking "forever"

TuxCopter

It's SO mod election now

Anonymous

8:07 PM

Apparently I'm too tired to read correctly

Martin Ender

backreferences are what make most flavours irregular, and then .NET has balancing groups and Perl/PCRE/Ruby has recursion to make them even more powerful.

FourOhFour

Alright, I gotta get on with some work. Thanks for the meta post, Mego

Martin Ender

I think in .NET you can solve any problem in PSPACE

Anonymous

Welcome :)

Martin Ender

or P maybe

Anonymous

8:10 PM

Oh crap SO is having elections?

DrMcMoylex

Yup

Calvin's Hobbies

@Mego Please, I'm sick of those.

Kritixi Lithos

I Voted

Anonymous

@Calvin'sHobbies :P Same here man

DrMcMoylex

Hey, at least this one actually has candidates I like

confusedandamused

8:15 PM

Has anyone edited word documents via c# before?

Anonymous

@confusedandamused Unfortunately

confusedandamused

@Mego Sadly I'm on that path currently...Any suggestions? I just have three columns that I'm trying to populate and then saving it as a pdf, but there could be multiple rows

Anonymous

Columns? Rows? You sure you mean Word, and not Excel?

TimmyD

Why not skip the middleman and go straight to PDF?

confusedandamused

@Mego Yeah Word Document - I have three "Columns" ID <TAB> NAME <TAB> AMOUNT

@TimmyD Not sure if it's easier to edit the document as a word document or as a PDF

Anonymous

8:20 PM

It would be easier to parse the document, populate a data structure, make the changes, then export it as a PDF

TimmyD

^ exactly that.

Anonymous

And Microsoft.Office.Interop.Word will get you the parsing

confusedandamused

That's what I was afraid of lol

Previously I've done this with bookmark placeholders and it worked well

BlueEyedBeast

Is there a script that returns all answers in a language?

TimmyD

Oh FFS. User gets an email bounceback that literally says "The email address you entered doesn't exist. Please check it and try again." The destination email has a clear typo (like, john.simth instead of john.smith). User creates a ticket "I don't know what's going wrong but I need this fixed NOW!" Ticket gets escalated to me. I respond back "Did you try it again?" User replies into the ticket "Thanks, it's working now!"

This is why I have a little lapel button pinned in my cube that says "Hit any user to continue."

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Geobits

8:38 PM

Pics or it didn't happen

Nathan Merrill

not sure what I did, but I can no longer delete or access a folder

either in explorer or command line

I always get the message "Access is Denied"

TimmyD

8

Geobits

Well. That seems conclusive enough for me.

mınxomaτ

@NathanMerrill Use takeown and icacls to get permissions back.

Nathan Merrill

takeown gives access denied

under administrator command line

TimmyD

8:47 PM

Windows? Is it a subfolder of a subfolder of a ...?

Nathan Merrill

nah, it was a simple directory. I did a rm -r on it, and there were a couple of files I needed to confirm deletion on. However, after all of that, I can no longer open nor access the folder

mınxomaτ

Sounds like a program is locking a file.

TimmyD

Have you tried hitting a user?

7

Nathan Merrill

hmm. Maybe I'll reboot

Dennis

@ASCII-only Done. Sorry for the delay.

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8:52 PM

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Q: Function and Code

Is it allowed to have an answer which has some code outside of a function? For example, in Python, if you were to get the sum of two square roots, would this be allowed: import math R=math.sqrt def f(x,y): return R(x)+R(y) or would it have to be this: def f(x,y): import math R=math.sqrt ...

discussion

TimmyD

9:04 PM

I know operator-and-assignment is a shortcut in many languages (like, a=a+5 vs a+=5) ... does that also include mod-equal? a%=5 for a=a%5

TuxCopter

Yep

Maltysen

yes

TimmyD

Cool. I didn't know if PowerShell was special in that regard, and it's surprisingly difficult to search for.

TuxCopter

AFAIK operator and assignement is supported for every operators except ++, -- and comparison operators in most sane languages

Yodle

Tfw everyone's got sub 100 bytes on a challenge, and you're happy to get yours under 200.

Dang C#

3

TimmyD

9:15 PM

Hey, PowerShell is barely under 100 bytes, tyvm.

Yodle

haha yeah, that's why I had to say sub 100 and not sub 60s :P

wat

@TimmyD CMC: Implement PowerShell in under 100 bytes

Yodle

also mine doesn't work for all values n as oliver listed, not sure exactly where it stops but 2 million works

wat

Batch, 10 bytes: powershell

TuxCopter

@wat ಠ_ಠ

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9:20 PM

0

Q: New code golf format: function contents

This would work like this: A function scaffold is specified containing a variable name You do not need to declare a function or print a value, just use a return statement. Example: Ruby: def palindromize_string(s) <code> end Then only the part of the code symbolized by <code> would be...

discussion code-golf

wat

@TuxCopter why are your eyes boxes

TuxCopter

because your font is börked

wat

what font do i need

TuxCopter

DejaVu work

wat

@TuxCopter also, nice surprised o

TimmyD

9:20 PM

@Yodle Umm, I don't think that your algorithm works? Unless foreach(var d in I) somehow selects unique values?

wat

@TuxCopter i have dejavu

TuxCopter

@wat Ö

@wat wat OS? :)

wat

arch

TuxCopter

ok

wat

@TuxCopter very surprised.

TuxCopter

9:21 PM

then ಠ_ಠ

Yodle

@TimmyD Oh wait a sec...I didn't think about that lol

TuxCopter

@wat Ü

wat

@TuxCopter hilarious.

@TuxCopter very happy letter?

TuxCopter

Ä Ü Ö Ï Ẅ

Yodle

9:36 PM

@TimmyD Welp, I found a fix for it, but it puts me above 200 again :s

wizzwizz4

Is there a C version of template strings?

TuxCopter

Yes

The famous CPP ABUSE ELEVEN!!!111!!!!

Or sprintf

TimmyD

@Yodle Dang. :-/

wizzwizz4

I need to write a program that takes filea's path as command-line input (space-deliminated list) and outputs it to fileb, where the content of fileb is template with all of a certain string replaced with the items of filea.

There are over 20000 lines of template, and well over nine thousand (OVER NINE THOUSAND) items in filea.

Poke

What?! 9000??? There's no way that can be right... CAN IT?

wizzwizz4

9:43 PM

@Poke It's right all right. I'm not doing this manually. How can I do it... non-manually...?

I suppose I could use a printf-style string for... something... but how can I load the items of filea into fileb?

Or into the printf...

TimmyD

Would it be hard to have the template inside the script itself?

wizzwizz4

@TimmyD No, it wouldn't.

TimmyD

Or use a language higher than C?

wizzwizz4

C supports HEREDOC syntax, right?

@TimmyD I could, so long as it ~~compiled to an executable~~ was callable from the command line and could take command line arguments and perform file I/O and was fast.

TuxCopter

Rust

wizzwizz4

9:47 PM

And it's a programming language that I know / that I could learn in ~10m / that somebody else can write the code for for me.

TimmyD

All these hidden requirements :p

wizzwizz4

I'll write all of my requirements out then:

1. Is callable from the command line with the syntax: fixedstring variablestring

Nathan Merrill

aren't you just doing a multi-file find/replace?

wizzwizz4

@NathanMerrill Yes, I am.

Nathan Merrill

I use intelliJ for that

wizzwizz4

9:48 PM

But template is constant.

And it needs to be fast.

wat

sed?

Nathan Merrill

great! click on your directory, control-shift-r

wizzwizz4

@wat Faster than sed. Also, I have Windows :-(

wat

@wizzwizz4 wsl sed?

wizzwizz4

2. Runs on Windows.

Yodle

9:49 PM

I think I got it as short as possible, but I'm probably missing something.

wizzwizz4

@wat ? What is "wsl sed"?

Windows Scripting Language?

wat

do you have windows 10?

wizzwizz4

@wat Yes. :-(

TimmyD

Windows Subsystem for Linux

wat

Windows Subsystem for Linux - basically reverse Wine

ninja'd

wizzwizz4

9:51 PM

Except it's not "Windows Subsystem for Linux" because Linux is a kernel... Why have I just lost 200 reputation?

Nathan Merrill

@wizzwizz4 I'm not sure I understand the purpose of filea. Does it have a bunch of find/replaces to do?

wizzwizz4

@NathanMerrill filea is a 0x20-delimited list, with a variable file path.

I need to write the first item of filea into the first slot of the template, the second item into the second slot, etc.

And do it very quickly.

Nathan Merrill

ah, that makes a lot more sense

wat

@wizzwizz4 It can run Linux userspace applications - even graphical apps with the help of an X server compiled for Windows

wizzwizz4

@wat So... it emulates Linux, but you have to provide GNU yourself?

Awesome! Now maybe people will learn the distinction.

wat

9:53 PM

@wizzwizz4 no, Microsoft provides a minimal Ubuntu userspace image

wizzwizz4

...

wat

They collaborated with Canonical

wizzwizz4

Ubuntu.

Why... why am I not surprised.

I have lost faith in Microsoft.

Again.

wat

You can install Arch on it with @mınxomaτ's amazing program ALWSL

also, I just compiled GNU coreutils for my Kindle Paperwhite.

wizzwizz4

@wat But @mınxomaτ is becoming evil... so that program might not exist for long.

wat

9:54 PM

@wizzwizz4 since when is he/she evil

wizzwizz4

@wat :-O :-D

mınxomaτ

It doesn't do emulation at all. It's binary call translation, meaning the Windows kernel supports the linux ABI. Think of it as GNU/NT instead of GNU/Linux

wizzwizz4

4 hours ago, by Geobits

Everyone mark down this day. Your children will one day ask: Where were you the day mınxomaτ turned evil?

wat

@mınxomaτ I never said it was emulation

wizzwizz4

@mınxomaτ Yay! :-) I have gained slightly more faith in Microsoft Windows. So your program just changes the image that it runs?

mınxomaτ

9:55 PM

@wat wiz did

confusedandamused

Is there a simple way to insert a string list into a word document?