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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: How to ride when the weather is hot? by Hammer Ofthor on bicycles.stackexchange.com
 
1:54 AM
sd k
@SmokeDetector f
 
 
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3:39 AM
tpu- by Yvette
naa- by Yvette
 
4:03 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Running Mist with INFURA by user1297097 on ethereum.stackexchange.com
 
4:14 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Enjoy Your Own Personal Existence By Dropping Weight by user662188 on superuser.com
tpu- by Jan Dvorak
 
4:32 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body: You should by no means take wei Power Testo Blast by user69237 on drupal.stackexchange.com
 
TIL Drupal allows inline images
 
tpu- by tripleee
 
4:46 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Start by taking a peek at your own are by jenniferjnoyola on drupal.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: This ‘body on fire’ (and excess acid) by bashirkhan on drupal.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in title: BUYBANKLOGINS.COM sell cvv dumps sell dumps with pin buy dumps with pin by rachek lakae on stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: supplementlab.org/skin-tek/ by Groy on graphicdesign.stackexchange.com
tpu- by Jan Dvorak
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body: the removing of excessive sweating by monikashingh on graphicdesign.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: ev derma : Injection-Free Solution For A Youthful Skin | by Eashe1949 on apple.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: Power Testo Blast Male enhancement capsules and supplements? by AlexanderaSander on graphicdesign.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: elevategffacts.com/bella-serata/ by gawemfxocom on puzzling.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: All purchases come with a 100% come by powergreens on drupal.stackexchange.com
tpu- by Jan Dvorak
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: So Many Gnc A Colon Cleanse Products by Derekdams on drupal.stackexchange.com
tpu- by Jan Dvorak
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: maximizedmuscleideas.com/geneticore-boost/ by user59980 on workplace.stackexchange.com
 
5:17 AM
sd k
sd fp-
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Is Coal Cosmetic Moisturizer Proven Effective? by Jennifermary on stackoverflow.com
 
5:33 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: Power Testo Blast even though the mechanism by user343828 on meta.stackexchange.com
tpu- by angussidney
fp- by tripleee on Running Mist with INFURA
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (batch report: post 1 out of 2): Do more people die of drinking related complications than smoking related complications? by niklas on skeptics.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (batch report: post 2 out of 2): Do more people die of drinking related complications than smoking related complications? by niklas on skeptics.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title, bad keyword with email in body, blacklisted website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: ORACLE PL SQL ONLINE TRAINING by trumper4455 on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by angussidney
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Consequently on the off chance that you need to search by piterpixe on security.stackexchange.com
tpu- by angussidney
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Which active ingredients used in Ageless Body System? by healthcare on superuser.com
 
6:06 AM
sd k
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: supplementsguide.org/slumber-pm/ by AntonRook on bricks.stackexchange.com
tpu- by Yvette
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: boostupmuscles.com/power-testo-blast/ by grac786 on drupal.stackexchange.com
tpu- by tripleee
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, repeated URL at end of long post: this cream has the vigour? by kintashelly on drupal.stackexchange.com
 
sd k
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: EV Derma by improving elasticity of the skin by jillcarey on gaming.stackexchange.com
 
sd k
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: possess knowledge of knowing what by xpoderxil holk on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)
tpu- by tripleee
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with a link in answer: Measuring feline capacitance by willsmith on electronics.stackexchange.com
 
6:24 AM
sd k
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: Lovera Serum To help with acne and get by dixonrobert on drupal.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body: ev derma Reviews :Go back to your young age! by Supor1974 on workplace.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: healthytipweb.com/garslimia-garcinia-cambogia/ by christopiue on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)
tpu- by Yvette
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Eliminate Red Skin with Bella Serata by eartaeadams on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)
tpu- by Yvette
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: beauty skin maintenance systems by jennifarry on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with a link in answer, link at end of answer: Can machine learning algorithms predict sports scores or plays? by rohit on datascience.stackexchange.com
tpu- by tripleee
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: How about getting 8% off on Rs3gold? by ownher12 on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)
tpu- by tripleee
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title: More Info : klereumcol.com/amplislim/ by versguin on superuser.com
tpu- by tripleee
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, repeated URL at end of long post: purenitrateadvice.com/power-testo-blast/ by corissa42 on drupal.stackexchange.com
Restart: API quota is 3584.
 
7:01 AM
sd k
 
@Glorfindel [:33424705] That message is not a report.
 
@SmokeDetector sd k
 
@Glorfindel when replying you don't need the sd prefix
@SmokeDetector k
 
K, thanks
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: How to execute AJAX within same AJAX on success completion? by Pawan on wordpress.stackexchange.com
 
7:04 AM
@SmokeDetector why
 
@Magisch Body - Position 297-302: nutra
fp- by tripleee
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Search the makeup aisle by Nipermonked on superuser.com
tpu- by tripleee
 
Morning all
 
@Ferrybig afternoon
 
Morning ferry, morning angus
 
7:09 AM
Good <applicable part of the day> everyone
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: how does it work Vderma its tru by faznygarry on drupal.stackexchange.com
tpu- by Magisch
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How to set the position of the cursor in UITextView by wingding on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by angussidney
 
Isn't that user blacklisted?
So why didn't Smokey detect that by itself?
 
@Glorfindel Bhargav Ninja'd the bot's fetch queue
 
Maybe it was reported before smokey processed the API call?
^
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Recover bricked android device by Steve St-cyr on android.stackexchange.com
tpu- by Magisch
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted username, blacklisted website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Venom Peptide Cream, the snake venom and its impacts by arlesjuriyam on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by tripleee
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in body: This is a revolutionary concept because it eliminates by Aprillewis on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by tripleee
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body: ev derma Cream Reviews: FIRST READ BEFORE TRY! by shernimra on workplace.stackexchange.com
 
7:33 AM
sd k
 
7:54 AM
@Glorfindel Have you got FDSC to work yet, btw?
 
Yes, but I do a lot of spam fighting from my iPhone.
 
Ah
 
After using it for two days I already discovered a bug in it: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/33416983#33416983
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Alpha Force Testo - All-natural Testosterone Booster For Energy? by alpha1force on superuser.com
 
sd k
 
8:01 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, repeated URL at end of long post: the collagen construction in the skin starts to say by njahlop zes on superuser.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: quicksupplementfact.com/slumber-pm/ by AntonRook on graphicdesign.stackexchange.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
8:14 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted username, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, repeated URL at end of long post: against maturing skincare recipe that you can by arles juriyam on drupal.stackexchange.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
Is it normal that the MS stats in the flag dialog take ±3 seconds to load?
 
Yeah, pretty normal. There's two or three API requests to get through, plus the initial page load
 
Hmm ... that decreases my flagging speed significantly :)
 
Aye. But it also decreases the time to flag and feed back
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: boostupmuscles.com/power-testo-blast/ by user69255 on drupal.stackexchange.com
 
8:28 AM
@Glorfindel I was bitten by the same bug so it's not completely edge casey
 
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
could Metasmoke run on something with better connectivity? I don't gripe so much over the flagging latency but just opening a link to Metasmoke is slow business
 
@tripleee in theory, it should work fine - it's on EC2, so the uplinks won't be the issue
Maybe @Undo can investigate what's going on with metasmoke's latency
 
I also don't like waiting 400 ms, for even a simple static page to load from metasmoke (the global storage script)
 
@tripleee Huh, okay. I'll take a look at fixing that.
@Ferrybig aye, normal is around 10x less.
 
8:34 AM
@ArtOfCode great, thanks
 
@ArtOfCode I was getting much more done when I used to flag and write sd k or f in here
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: sad about my epidermis problems as wrinkle and by njahlopzes on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)
 
@SmokeDetector sd k
 
tpu- by KazWolfe
 
hm does that feedback work if I reply to the message or does it have to be just k
 
8:36 AM
@YvetteColomb has to be just k
 
yep
I flagged it and the feedback didn't register
 
@ArtOfCode I was going to have a look at that on the weekend, but if you get to it first that's great. It might get a little tricky though, as we have to reset the variable on both flag dialog closing and after feedback
 
The fact that you need to wait until the page is fully loaded, before you click the flag link isn't helping to, since the flag link also takes some time to load
 
Sadly there isn't much we can do about that
 
my internet is too slow to be waiting for anything
 
8:41 AM
If this gets implemented though, we could reduce it to a single API call and eliminate a bit of complex code
friendly nudge @art @undo
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: The Most Effective Skincare Product by harahboore on graphicdesign.stackexchange.com
tpu- by Magisch
 
9:01 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body: Can applications be written directly onto the CC2541? by Lily123 on mechanics.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: cURL Notice: Undefined offset: 1 by Daniel Moore on stackoverflow.com
 
Horribly off-topic, but spam? (The Mechanics question, that is.)
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in body: Salesforce Data Service does not work: No COMPONENT named recordPreview found by BramClaeys on salesforce.stackexchange.com
fp- by Glorfindel on cURL Notice: Undefined offset: 1
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Could open up the length of my erections by Sible1980 on workplace.stackexchange.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
@Glorfindel they do sneak a website url
oh lol
 
There are a lot of fp's on that website in the history: metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…
I didn't check them in detail, though.
 
@Glorfindel hm that mechanics question seems spammy to me. An excuse to link the website with the cart
 
9:11 AM
@SmokeDetector why
 
@angussidney Body - Position 303-311: skincare
 
some of the TPs look like maybe they too are FPs really
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: system is tested and proven by user343846 on meta.stackexchange.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
@YvetteColomb yeah, it could also be a really sneaky spammer, but many of the questions look quite genuine (though typically VLQ) at least in isolation
 
@YvetteColomb the website has been spammed before
 
9:12 AM
@angussidney yes, there are 21 hits in Metasmoke, but many are FPs
 
All similar, look like a question but have a link to that website
 
@Glorfindel I marked it as a spammer. No other posts. And a gratuitous link to that shopping website. Unnecessary to get the specs on that electronic bit
@angussidney yep
 
@tripleee I think it's spam, based on first time question and that link was not necessary to describe the article. In fact you couldn't get it to be more "buy me" than that link
 
Should we clean up the fp's in MS?
 
9:14 AM
@Glorfindel I think yes, but it's quite possible that many are actually TPs now that you look at them in context
 
And plus, why is this on Mechanics.SE rather than EE.SE? That makes it spam for me
 
From the MS history, it looks that they started on EE, but once they saw that that didn't work, they switched sites.
 
I think so. When I was in here day in and day out, I would pick up the same websites being used, in the guise of questions, and you start to see patterns in spam that people may not notice as a "one off" post.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Connect cisco router with tp-link wireless adapter by Kim Willson on superuser.com
tpu- by Yvette
 
by that question
 
9:16 AM
electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/243422/… got useful answers and had the link edited out so I guess it's past flagging
 
@DavidPostill User blacklisted (657583 on superuser.com).
Backoff received of 10 seconds on request to questions/90215;90102?site=rpg at 09:17:25 UTC
 
^^^ last three posts contain image spam for contactforhelp.com (someone has been editing out the images in some cases)
 
other than that, the vast majority of reported FPs seem to have been closed, presumably as spam / off-topic / VLQ
 
9:19 AM
@DavidPostill thanks for that explanation
 
... referring to the Kynix hits
 
!!/blacklist contactforhelp\.com
 
@DavidPostill You don't have code privileges, but I've created a pull request for you.
 
@DavidPostill I seem to think that has already been blacklisted or a variant thereof
Lemme check
 
!!/blacklist instantcustomerhelp\.com
 
9:21 AM
@DavidPostill You don't have code privileges, but I've created a pull request for you.
 
what happens if I click "needs admin" on the ostensible FPs? Can I have the feedback cleared out that way? Is that a good way to proceed?
 
@angussidney Also, the posts don't contain a link to the website.
 
actually I am not sure that's spam, as the question is about netgear routers
 
blacklisted_websites.txt:contactforhelp\.com
it's already there
 
@tripleee it reports the post to undo, hichris and art
 
9:22 AM
@angussidney and do they like that?
 
@tripleee I swear blacklisted that a while ago. Seems like I was right.
@tripleee well, I guess that's why it's there
 
hmmmm, maybe I'll wait until one of them weighs in
but thanks
 
@YvetteColomb contact for help has spammed before, but we could edit out the spam link text
 
though it's probably plagiarized from somewhere
 
9:23 AM
oh so it's not netgear ah sorry, not on the job tongiht
 
@tripleee that's exactly what I thought, but I couldn't find where from.
 
yep they should be blacklisted and it should nt be edited out
 
@tripleee That too. I've also reported luser for plagiarism.
 
API quota rolled over with 2824 requests remaining. Current quota: 9999.
stackoverflow: 1344
askubuntu: 450
superuser: 398
unix: 218
math: 148
salesforce: 140
drupal: 139
electronics: 135
politics: 132
magento: 126
dba: 109
english: 107
gis: 107
apple: 103
travel: 99
security: 93
es.stackoverflow: 91
mathematica: 86
sharepoint: 86
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wordpress: 84
ru.stackoverflow: 80
worldbuilding: 78
gaming: 78
mathoverflow.net: 76
stats: 73
arduino: 70
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I also raised a custom mod flag for spamming @DavidPostill
 
9:25 AM
@Glorfindel No link but subtle spam. The website is mentioned by name and also on the image.
 
@DavidPostill yes, but blacklisting won't help.
 
User is doing the same in multiple answers.
@Glorfindel Agree. But it will catch any in future where they do use the link :)
 
@DavidPostill yep I mod flagged that
 
Lol, looks like Smokey was lucky enough to do the 3500th commit to the SD repo
@DavidPostill what was your reasoning behind blacklisting instantcustomerhelp.com? No hits on MS
 
fp- by Glorfindel
 
9:31 AM
@SmokeDetector f
 
the answer looks like spam, an ad for an app
device id is an app
 
The question itself is legit.
 
yeh, but looks like an excuse to spam seed.
 
I'm willing to give that one the benefit of the doubt.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: How to find the clock speed my fpga runs in XPS or EDK? by Van Loi on electronics.stackexchange.com
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Move viber to another device without activation? by onupirat on android.stackexchange.com
 
@SmokeDetector k This basically advertises an app that cannot be removed from the unrooted phone. Basically malware
 
@SmokeDetector still not willing to flag that one
 
I'm an android developer, read the comments under the app in the play store and the steps to install the app
 
@SmokeDetector Hmm ... I thought Van Loi learned his lesson on SO: stackoverflow.com/users/7114780/van-loi but apparently not.
 
9:36 AM
@angussidney Mistake it appears. Was investigating above spammer and answer plagiarised from there.
 
@angussidney I am
I'll make a PR to blacklist the keyword "Titanium Backup"
That app is clearly malware
 
@Magisch great comment under that android post
I gotta go, bbl. Really nice to see you guys :)
 
@YvetteColomb nice to see you back in here too
@Magisch yeah, beginning to think twice about it
Flagged
 
@angussidney Made a PR
pls no merge before CI completes
 
9:41 AM
Yeah, waiting for that
I still think that the time it broke was a one-off error, but better to be safe than sorry
 
@angussidney I'd really rather not find that out while the only guy who can fix it isn't here :P
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: Minimum weight for 90percent of population. by Indicus on math.stackexchange.com
fp- by tripleee
 
@SmokeDetector why
 
@angussidney Body - Position 221-232: Weight loss, Position 566-577: Weight loss, Position 643-654: Weight loss
CI on d9712dc succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...
 
we could probably tune the health filters to look for at least 2 keywords for greater accuracy, may be something to look into
 
9:45 AM
Restart: API quota is 9879.
 
@angussidney more manual tweaking sounds like the wrong approach
I've been thinking about applying some sort of content categorization system instead
 
What do you mean by that?
 
that would be less prone to false positives based on individual keywords, and potentially identify content we are currently missing based on tangentially related keywords
@angussidney something like a bayesian classifier, it would pick up the words to look for via training
so you'd train it on previous posts and it would pick up whatever phrases the spammer used in the past
not necessarily just keywords for this particular topic, but (speculating) perhaps turns of phrases they just happen to like to use
depending of course on how you pick the features
trad spam filters just use "bag of words" on the individual words in a message or document
 
@tripleee I believe that in the past (before I arrived) we have tried doing bayesian classifiers, natural language processing and machine learining, however it was not as successful as our current manual tweaking
 
but there are various n-gram approaches which look for pairs of words in the same document, or (near-) adjacent word pairs, or whatever
@angussidney I'm thinking the problem with that is often that the categories are too relaxed, you categorize into "bad" and "good" and the filter can't find a good explanation for why a particular group of unrelated samples are bad
but you could fix that by training individual "testo", "weight loss" etc classifiers
I'm hypothesizing
 
9:50 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Fights Dark Circles And Wrinkles by rommelinarrow on drupal.stackexchange.com
tpu- by tripleee
 
If a few people were were interested in putting some work into an experimental trial, I don't think anyone would have any objections
 
@angussidney I'd be interested, though I can't commit to anything at this point
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body, link following arrow in body: Exceptionally well or it may be extremely by zalimlulu on movies.stackexchange.com
tpu- by tripleee
 
10:11 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: How And Why To Exfoliate Your Skin by Kimpell on drupal.stackexchange.com
 
sd k
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: What Exactly is a Shock Wave? by user135762 on physics.stackexchange.com
tpu- by DavidPostill
 
@trip If you want to try doing classification, go for it. It'd be awesome if we could get that right. Just be aware that at least two of us have tried it before and failed.
 
@ArtOfCode thanks, do you have any notes on what you did and how it failed?
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: When you consider that of this reality by njahlopzes on meta.stackexchange.com
 
tpu- by tripleee
 
It failed by telling me that everything was spam
(well, not everything, but a high percentage of posts, the majority of which were not spam)
 
@ArtOfCode I'll take a look, thanks!
 
The government is bees spam!
 
do I need something more than the metasmoke API key for this? as in, does using the Stack Exchange websocket require something from Stack as well?
 
10:23 AM
Nope, that socket is free
 
Hey @ArtOfCode
 
o/
 
I did my own commentary on Trump's "contract" thing inspired by yours
 
Heh
 
10:26 AM
> homeschooling should not be a thing
tell that to Undo
 
@ArtOfCode I mean that in that it can work well
but it also opens the door for parents to indoctrinate their children
 
In the same sort of way that having access to paracetamol opens the door for overdosing, yes.
You can, but most people aren't that dumb
 
On an unrelated topic @ArtOfCode, I was thinking, when smokey breaks it usually breaks during spam hour when no-one is online except me and a few lurkers. I have a Pi sitting on my desk which I don't use much, so I could boot it up as a backup copy if needed, but AFAIK I need special keys to allow it to create posts on MS etc. If you and the other admins were to allow me, would it be possible for me to get a key?
 
@angussidney down to Undo, he being the Holder of Passwords, Access Keys, and Other Strange Tokens.
 
cc @Undo read above ^^
 
10:29 AM
for the record: I wouldn't have a problem with that
 
@ArtOfCode In germany we take primary education super seriously
 
but it is Undo's server, so it's his call
 
As in there is a very strict requirement as to what must be tought and passed
 
@angussidney Bear in mind that I also have the backup script running on EC2, so if smokey dies, the script will bring it back up within a 10 minute maximum
@Magisch AFAIK, there are still requirements on what you have to pass from homeschooling, too
 
Oh, I forgot about that. Still, can't hurt to have another line of defence, considering how good we are at breaking things :P
 
10:32 AM
@ArtOfCode Yeah, but not as specific I guess. I think the difference is largely cultural
 
@angussidney Yeah, that wouldn't be a bad thing. I believe zaq got a key for that reason, but now that he's not around it's probably worth giving someone else one.
 
School standards here exist mainly to prevent kids from being mistaught or indoctrinated, and due to that teachers are audited and controlled and carefully selected and well paid.
 
@Magisch shrug
 
BTW, is you hosting smokey meant to be a long-term solution now or is it just a longer-than-normal outage on undo's part
 
If I had the time and money, I'd probably home school my kids
 
10:33 AM
Wouldn't work here even just because we have 3 school paths
 
@angussidney I... don't actually know. I think I'm hosting it at the moment to give Undo a chance to fix the Pi, since that had errors that were causing frequent crashes
 
And the government decides which one your kid is allowed to take
 
Oh dear. Mr Vaitkevicius is back at it on my nomination... this is fun.
 
@ArtOfCode We may not even get a primary this time around
 
There are still only 9 candidates, so you know.... there is still a good chance
 
10:41 AM
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@angussidney Yeah, but we'd need 2 more for a primary to happen
It probably will, but there's a chance it might not
 
Yeah, there's still plenty of time left to get 2 candidates
 
There is also that Neal person who seems to be copping a bit of criticism due to his lack of activity. However, his high rep means that he will probably get a lot of drive-by voters.
 
I'm still betting on Andy, Bhargav, and Cerbrus
 
Probably
 
10:43 AM
Yeah, that sounds 'bout right
 
as sad as that is, not having 10k rep is probably going to kill our chances for that
 
Aye. Unfortunately.
 
Most voters take a cursory glance at the sheet and then pick, methinks
 
Rep is such a terrible measure of moderation experience -_-
 
Ah well, maybe next time :p
I got 5k in a year, I can do it again
 
10:44 AM
I've got 7k to go
 
I think it would be a good idea to hide all rep counts in election stage. That way it becomes more dependent on the info in the nominations and comments rather than the scorecard.
 
@Magisch Sure you can. I got 60k in 2 years 4 months on SU ... although getting rep on SO is probably harder...
 
@DavidPostill I spend most of my time moderating though, so I'll have to specifically make room for that
I haven't at all concentrated on answering since I hit 3k
 
@Magisch So do I. I don't write answers very day ...
 
Maybe you're also just better at it then I am
I'm only learning to become a software developer. I can moderate things, but I'm not quite an expert on software development by any stretch.
 
10:49 AM
It's a lot easier to get rep on SU. No FGITW.
 
I mean in the same time I got to 9k by answering maybe 1 a week on TWP
 
Heh. My lecturer just asked if I'm sure I'm a first-year not a third-year. I quote: "I've yet to meet a first-year who can actually write as many languages as they claim."
 
I think some sites like to give out a lot more upvotes. The workplace, worldbuilding and RPG.SE are some of them.
 
@angussidney Puzzling as well.
 
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